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Post by julieb on Oct 30, 2014 22:24:12 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 30, 2014 22:30:48 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. I'm going to do the devil's advocate thing one more time: What if she isn't flaunting the fact that she was "asked" (told, ordered, whatever) to stay in quarantine? What if she is doing the scientifically subscribed protocol for Ebola and self-monitoring, while still trying to protect her right to live freely? And to also show that science should rule the day rather than fear? Perhaps she is not seeking attention for herself, but rather attention to what the fear mongering has brought about? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 22:33:31 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. Or she just wants to live her life. The media is following her. she isn't seeking them out. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 30, 2014 22:35:59 GMT
I TOTALLY 100% agree with you!!
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Post by lucyg on Oct 30, 2014 22:44:10 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. I'm going to do the devil's advocate thing one more time: What if she isn't flaunting the fact that she was "asked" (told, ordered, whatever) to stay in quarantine? What if she is doing the scientifically subscribed protocol for Ebola and self-monitoring, while still trying to protect her right to live freely? And to also show that science should rule the day rather than fear? Perhaps she is not seeking attention for herself, but rather attention to what the fear mongering has brought about? You're nicer than I am. I think lots of people are attributing lots of attitude, intentions, and character flaws to this woman that they actually know nothing about. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 30, 2014 22:51:16 GMT
Just saw this on the other quarantine thread. NPR article about NY and NJ quarantinesIf they are quarantining people to prevent the spread of disease, how in the name of hell do they justify allowing visitors in and out of the house? And if they aren't concerned about the visitors spreading disease, what possible justification do they have for enforcing a quarantine to begin with? This is just ridiculous and pointless. Political theater meant to reassure gullible people, nothing more. |
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Post by pierogi on Oct 31, 2014 0:17:59 GMT
This is not a joke, an exaggeration, or something pithy to say -- the reason we have civil liberty protections is actually pretty much literally so that you cannot lock people up when others decide they have a "bad attitude."  If we could lock people up for having a 'tude, one of my nieces would be serving life. |
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Post by amom23 on Oct 31, 2014 0:55:30 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. Or she just wants to live her life. The media is following her. she isn't seeking them out. LMAO at the news report I just watched. She and her BF were out riding their bikes near their home which looked to be in a pretty remote area and reporters were chasing after them and well within mere feet of her. Guess they weren't too worried about getting sick.  |
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Post by elaine on Oct 31, 2014 1:08:30 GMT
Or she just wants to live her life. The media is following her. she isn't seeking them out. LMAO at the news report I just watched. She and her BF were out riding their bikes near their home which looked to be in a pretty remote area and reporters were chasing after them and well within mere feet of her. Guess they weren't too worried about getting sick. Why aren't people calling for all the reporters to be quarantined? I mean, if they are coming that close to her and everything.  How irresponsible and unprofessional of them to not self-quarantine for 3 weeks! I agree with everything that Melissa has said in this thread.  |
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Post by DinCA on Oct 31, 2014 1:53:49 GMT
I think the whole situation is completely out of control. There needs to be some consistency instituted regarding quarantining and people entering the country from Africa. It was reported this evening that doctors leaving the region affected are spending their 21 days in Europe to avoid all of this, including the stigma associated with working with the sick.
Having said that, while I don't think she should be quarantined, I don't have much sympathy for her because I really don't like "her" all that much. The way she is going about this is not helping her cause or endearing her to others.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Oct 31, 2014 2:05:18 GMT
Just wondering: If her employer asked her to quarantine would she still have the same attitude?
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Post by roxley on Oct 31, 2014 2:52:18 GMT
I thought I heard her say that she is doing this because a 21 day quarantine on top of a month long stay in Africa is going to deter many doctors from going to help. The medical community keeps saying the only way to stop this is to send lots of doctors to stop it in Africa. I completely agree with this. Stopping your life for one month is hard enough, but two? For NO scientific reason? You would lose patients, your practice would suffer, you are missing twice as many family events. And what happens to your family while you are quarantined? Are they as well? So we cause the epidemic to last longer because we deter the people who can stop it from helping.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 3:05:44 GMT
I thought I heard her say that she is doing this because a 21 day quarantine on top of a month long stay in Africa is going to deter many doctors from going to help. The medical community keeps saying the only way to stop this is to send lots of doctors to stop it in Africa. I completely agree with this. Stopping your life for one month is hard enough, but two? For NO scientific reason? You would lose patients, your practice would suffer, you are missing twice as many family events. And what happens to your family while you are quarantined? Are they as well? So we cause the epidemic to last longer because we deter the people who can stop it from helping. EXACTLY! We have to stop it and 2 months for people is simply unfeasible. Not one person here has caught it from a healthcare individual that went to Africa or that helped with cases here. Not a single one. We have to stop it at the source and to have them quarantined that long for no reason is going to make that near impossible. |
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Post by rebelyelle on Oct 31, 2014 5:12:23 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. Or she just wants to live her life. The media is following her. she isn't seeking them out. And it's not just the media following her. A freakin' police cruiser followed her on the bike ride. Borderline harassment IMO. Every medical professional I've heard comment on this case has said over and over that she in no way poses a public health risk. None. Nada. NO HEALTH RISK. She is asymptomatic. She CANNOT give anyone Ebola at this time, even if she does indeed have the virus. This nonsense is political and it's going to come to a fever pitch and some point, and that's bound to be bad for us all. |
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Post by BarbaraUK on Oct 31, 2014 10:53:18 GMT
I thought I heard her say that she is doing this because a 21 day quarantine on top of a month long stay in Africa is going to deter many doctors from going to help. The medical community keeps saying the only way to stop this is to send lots of doctors to stop it in Africa. I completely agree with this. Stopping your life for one month is hard enough, but two? For NO scientific reason? You would lose patients, your practice would suffer, you are missing twice as many family events. And what happens to your family while you are quarantined? Are they as well? So we cause the epidemic to last longer because we deter the people who can stop it from helping. EXACTLY! We have to stop it and 2 months for people is simply unfeasible. Not one person here has caught it from a healthcare individual that went to Africa or that helped with cases here. Not a single one. We have to stop it at the source and to have them quarantined that long for no reason is going to make that near impossible. Just as a point of interest, I read this article this morning: Doctors Without Borders Article
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 11:31:44 GMT
She is self monitoring, in accordance with the CDC guidelines. Until and unless she has a fever and other symptoms, she would not be contagious. The political posturing that led to her being quarantined in an unheated tent in a parking lot is ridiculous. The CDC has experience in these matters, governors of individual states who are gearing up for an election campaign do not. Here's what I want to know -- who is her employer and where are they on this? I think I recall reading that after the NY doctor tested positive and is now hospitalized, his employer came out and said he had been on paid leave from the hospital and had not been in contact with staff or patients. I would take that to mean that the hospital was unwilling to take the risk during a potential incubation period. So why should a state take that risk? Nothing to do with the hospital at all. MSF advices the volunteers not to return to work for 21 days after returning home. In my opinion MSF knows far more than state politicians on how to deal with themselves when they return home. Apart from that, I would think they're also exhausted and need some down time before they return to their day to day work. It's no picnic out there,they work themselves to the ground trying their best to combat this. They're working in extreme conditions. MSF had already made a policy of asking its workers not to return to their regular jobs for 21 days after finishing an Ebola assignment. It pays them wages for that time.This is also very interesting,from page 3 of the same Reuters report Maybe some would like to read what Doctors without Borders ( MSF) actually says. October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West Africa |
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Post by whopea on Oct 31, 2014 15:35:05 GMT
Here's what I want to know -- who is her employer and where are they on this? I think I recall reading that after the NY doctor tested positive and is now hospitalized, his employer came out and said he had been on paid leave from the hospital and had not been in contact with staff or patients. I would take that to mean that the hospital was unwilling to take the risk during a potential incubation period. So why should a state take that risk? Nothing to do with the hospital at all. MSF advices the volunteers not to return to work for 21 days after returning home. In my opinion MSF knows far more than state politicians on how to deal with themselves when they return home. Apart from that, I would think they're also exhausted and need some down time before they return to their day to day work. It's no picnic out there,they work themselves to the ground trying their best to combat this. They're working in extreme conditions. MSF had already made a policy of asking its workers not to return to their regular jobs for 21 days after finishing an Ebola assignment. It pays them wages for that time.This is also very interesting,from page 3 of the same Reuters report Maybe some would like to read what Doctors without Borders ( MSF) actually says. October 29 Statement on Regulations for Health Care Workers Returning From West AfricaSo MSF recommends that they quasi-quarantine and not return to their job for 21 days. And they are paid. So what is her problem? Don't return to work for 21 days, get paid and sit around and watch Netflix with your boyfriend. What's so hard about that? Might I also add that MSF has another contradiction here just to layer on all the rest: We're against forced quarantine, but we recommend self-quarantine. I guess it depends on what the definition of is is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 16:07:37 GMT
So MSF recommends that they quasi-quarantine and not return to their job for 21 days. And they are paid. So what is her problem? Don't return to work for 21 days, get paid and sit around and watch Netflix with your boyfriend. What's so hard about that? Not returning to your normal day job for three weeks doesn't mean they recommend you stay in total quarantine. It could very well mean that they need that time to rest if nothing else. If you had read ALL of the MSF article you would have seen this Upon returning to the United States, each MSF staff member goes through a thorough debriefing process, during which they are informed of our guidelines.
The guidelines include the following instructions:
1. Check temperature two times per day
2. Finish regular course of malaria prophylaxis (malaria symptoms can mimic Ebola symptoms)
3. Be aware of relevant symptoms, such as fever
4. Stay within four hours of a hospital with isolation facilities
5. Immediately contact the MSF-USA office if any relevant symptoms developWhere in their article does it say that? This is what I can read. Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) strongly disagrees with blanket forced quarantine for health care workers returning from Ebola affected countries. Such a measure is not based upon established medical science.
MSF supports and implements scientifically grounded monitoring measures for all returned aid workers. This is in accordance with the recommendations of public health experts.
I think your confusing the meaning of word quarantine with the word monitoring....big difference! |
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Post by blondiec47 on Oct 31, 2014 16:16:57 GMT
Breaking News: The state of Maine has been granted a temporary court order mandating nurse Kaci Hickox submit to direct active monitoring for the Ebola virus. She must coordinate her travel with public health authorities and is not permitted in public places like shopping centers. fxn.ws/1nW9XO6 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 16:20:50 GMT
Breaking News: The state of Maine has been granted a temporary court order mandating nurse Kaci Hickox submit to direct active monitoring for the Ebola virus. She must coordinate her travel with public health authorities and is not permitted in public places like shopping centers. fxn.ws/1nW9XO6Ridiculous. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 31, 2014 16:24:52 GMT
I read in the local paper yesterday that California is also going to quarantine health workers returning from the affected areas. Not everyone from West Africa, but people who worked with Ebola patients.
I continue to think it is ridiculous. Monitor, sure, but there is no actual need for quarantine.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 31, 2014 16:35:39 GMT
Breaking News: The state of Maine has been granted a temporary court order mandating nurse Kaci Hickox submit to direct active monitoring for the Ebola virus. She must coordinate her travel with public health authorities and is not permitted in public places like shopping centers. fxn.ws/1nW9XO6To my knowledge, she has not even tried to go into public places. A bike ride on a rural trail is not a public appearance. And, as has been pointed out multiple times on this thread, the people she *is* coming in contact with are the reporters that are swarming all over her property. |
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Post by Just T on Oct 31, 2014 16:59:25 GMT
I heard her boyfriend even say, "we aren't going out in public." This whole situation is so beyond ridiculous. This morning, I heard a clip of the governor of Maine say "We don't want her within 3 feet of anyone!" Okay, so then maybe the governor should call off the reporters who were swarming around her as she rode her bike down a country road??? They were way closer than 3 feet from her.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 17:00:49 GMT
I'm just wondering what someone will do about the other people that have arrived home since her and not being singled out as she is. According to the MSF there have been another four people arriving since her and they are not in any sort of quarantine ( nor should they be and neither should she) You can't have one rule for one person and a different one for another.
If this went further as an infringement of her civil liberties what would they base their evidence on.........." maybe she might have Ebola"?
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Post by littlemama on Oct 31, 2014 17:07:44 GMT
Breaking News: The state of Maine has been granted a temporary court order mandating nurse Kaci Hickox submit to direct active monitoring for the Ebola virus. She must coordinate her travel with public health authorities and is not permitted in public places like shopping centers. fxn.ws/1nW9XO6That is an outrageous violation of her civil liberties. |
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Post by mamatoa on Oct 31, 2014 17:14:58 GMT
I don't think people are upset anymore about her not being quarantined, but it is the way she is flaunting the fact that she doesn't care that she was asked to stay in quarantine to protect others. She is an attention monger. You can tell she is loving the limelight. Or she just wants to live her life. The media is following her. she isn't seeking them out. |
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Post by Regina Phalange on Oct 31, 2014 17:24:18 GMT
The way that she was treated upon return the US was absolutely appalling. If I has been treated that way you can bet I would hire a fleet of lawyers and fight tooth and nail. I would absolutely rebel against those violations of my rights. If this had been handled differently by the authorities I'm willing to bet she would have reacted differently. She can't be arrested. She hasn't broken any laws. *If* the state goes to court and is successful in getting a court order requiring her quarrentine *then* she could be arrested. It was all about Chris Christie trying to show that he's the first Governor to "do something" about Ebola and it blew up in his face royally and did nothing but expose him (again) as the typical thug bully he is. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 31, 2014 17:31:10 GMT
Stacy you must be exhausted all the time living inside your head.
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 31, 2014 17:41:46 GMT
@scrappower, I admire your fortitude and perseverance in posting rebuttles to the insanity. It is a lousy job but I'm happy you are doing it.  |
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Post by pridemom on Oct 31, 2014 17:49:02 GMT
If people are so concerned about public health, let's do this: 1. quarantine anybody who has the flu, has come in contact with somebody who has the flu, or has read a book about the flu 2. mandatory vaccinations (too bad for Jenny McCarthy they don't make vaccinations for stupid) 3. ban fatty foods and sugary drinks (oh wait, the NY mayor tried to do that and people were up in arms about too much government in their lives) I would also add that we should quarantine those who are unvaccinated based on fear and pseudoscience. They are a greater risk to public health and the health of infants and the immunosuppressed. Agreed! My daughter and I take immunosuppressants for auto-immune disease. I am much more worried about the flu than Ebola. |
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How irresponsible and unprofessional of them to not self-quarantine for 3 weeks!
