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Post by Meri-Lyn on Oct 30, 2014 16:10:21 GMT
As for Americans feeling unease I don't see that in my life at all only here and on the web. Seriously. Buy into the hype if you want but the chances of being infected are so low it isn't even funny. We can't arrest people because you are scared. You're lucky, SP. I had to hear all about this from my in-laws this weekend. I just want to scream at these people, it is driving me nuts. They're falling right into the fear, hook, line and sinker. So sad.
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Post by melissa on Oct 30, 2014 16:11:55 GMT
Her so called fever was pronounced by a non-medical person. It was a no-touch thermometer used on a flushed face. Known to be inaccurate in certain situations. Actually, it is not best thermometer period. If a temperature elevation is noted, it needs to be verified by a more accurate thermometer. In this case, a more accurate test showed that she did not have a fever.
So, she never had a fever.
This again illustrated how initial inaccurate reports from the media taint our thoughts and help create these fears that should not exist to the same degree if we still had accurate, thorough reporting today instead of the "get it out there first and correct it later" philosophy of today.
A good news story on Ebola would be a story covering all the inaccuracies that have been reported since the story of Mr. Duncan was first released.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 16:12:18 GMT
I agree with her. This is no different than when AIDS was the issue of the 80's. Not one bit different. You cannot get it from her unless you have direct contact with her body fluids IF she actually has the disease! I hate that every time a new virus pops up we want to start imprisoning people. Yet there is a huge segment of the population that has the right to refuse vaccines for their children, bringing back all kinds of mostly erradicated diseases. Where is the outrage about that? She doesn't have Ebola. Leave her alone. It is absolutely different than AIDS and the biggest issues with Ebola in the US has been the CDC equating them. The viral load when you're SICK is orders of magnitude higher in Ebola than in AIDS - the isolation requirements for the MEDICAL PERSONNEL treating SICK patients are much greater than for those treating AIDS patients.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 30, 2014 16:21:00 GMT
she did have a fever, she doesnt now. She has a bad attitude thats for sure either way, we need to set 1 policy and stick to it for everyone that has been in contact with ebola Politicians are saying quarantines arent science based and may not be needed, but they want to quarantine military members coming home who they are in control of. Doesnt make sense No she did not have a fever. Sigh. CNN says the airport screeners determined she had a fever. Whether she did or did not is not what set this ball in motion...it was the forehead scanner the screeners used which do not do as good a job as a thermometer (obviously).
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 30, 2014 16:21:20 GMT
This is not a joke, an exaggeration, or something pithy to say -- the reason we have civil liberty protections is actually pretty much literally so that you cannot lock people up when others decide they have a "bad attitude."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:22:36 GMT
No she did not have a fever. Sigh. CNN says the airport screeners determined she had a fever. Whether she did or did not is not what set this ball in motion...it was the forehead scanner the screeners used which do not do as good a job as a thermometer (obviously). And as soon as it was taken again with a proper thermometer no fever was detected. So again she bever had a fever. They had already held her illegally for hours by that point.
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Post by missmiss on Oct 30, 2014 16:31:45 GMT
You are right there is a difference. More people died from AIDS when it was first seen in the US than Ebola.
President Reagan didn't even acknowledge AIDS for quite some time like Obama has Ebola.
The press waited until Oct. 15 , 1982 -- 17 months after the first reported AIDS cases -- to ask President Reagan's press secretary about the "gay plague." By that time, there had been 593 reported cases in the U.S., and 243 deaths.
How many deaths of Ebola in the US again?
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 30, 2014 16:32:08 GMT
CNN says the airport screeners determined she had a fever. Whether she did or did not is not what set this ball in motion...it was the forehead scanner the screeners used which do not do as good a job as a thermometer (obviously). And as soon as it was taken again with a proper thermometer no fever was detected. So again she bever had a fever. They had already held her illegally for hours by that point. Ah...but that's where the problem is. It's like the TSA - once you begin the process, you have to complete it, so technically, no it was not illegal. You are assuming there is some common sense in all of this. There's not.
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Post by melissa on Oct 30, 2014 16:36:57 GMT
I have no issue with her being placed into quarantine immediately after the first and only temperature elevation was detected. At that point, she won at least a 24 hour observation period in "an abundance of caution." (Using that phrase because it's been tossed around a lot). Maybe even 48 hrs. After that, with no actual fever or illness, there is no reason to keep her in any sort of isolation. Period.
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Post by blondiec47 on Oct 30, 2014 16:39:27 GMT
I was on her side when she was put into that unheated tent with no shower and a port-a-potty. Now, not at all. I agree. I felt bad for her as the protocols were changed while she was traveling and it came as a surprise to her, but now she is just loving being the one of the most hated women in America.
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Post by missmiss on Oct 30, 2014 16:39:55 GMT
Just like most people have stated she isn't SICK so she doesn't have the viral load as you put it. So why are so many people freaking out? One answer for you the MEDIA plays on people's fear. So sad that people fall for it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:40:44 GMT
I was on her side when she was put into that unheated tent with no shower and a port-a-potty. Now, not at all. I agree. I felt bad for her as the protocols were changed while she was traveling and it came as a surprise to her, but now she is just loving being the one of the most hated women in America. Really?? I don't think so. Not even close.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 16:41:26 GMT
And as soon as it was taken again with a proper thermometer no fever was detected. So again she bever had a fever. They had already held her illegally for hours by that point. Ah...but that's where the problem is. It's like the TSA - once you begin the process, you have to complete it, so technically, no it was not illegal. You are assuming there is some common sense in all of this. There's not. Oh I know that but there were no standards and no laws. So I stand by she was held illegally.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 16:45:46 GMT
You are right there is a difference. More people died from AIDS when it was first seen in the US than Ebola. President Reagan didn't even acknowledge AIDS for quite some time like Obama has Ebola. The press waited until Oct. 15 , 1982 -- 17 months after the first reported AIDS cases -- to ask President Reagan's press secretary about the "gay plague." By that time, there had been 593 reported cases in the U.S., and 243 deaths. How many deaths of Ebola in the US again? It does absolutely no good to spread false information. Ebola and AIDS are completely different viruses that have different risk profiles. HIV patients live for decades - and even untreated can live for years without realizing they have the disease. You are most likely to catch HIV from an ASYMPTOMATIC individual who had no idea they have the disease. The risk to the health personnel treating patients is low and normal infectious control procedures are perfectly adequate to protect them. Ebola patients live a few WEEKS once infected. you CANNOT catch Ebola from an ASYMPTOMATIC individual. You are most likely to catch Ebola from caring for a patient in the final days of their disease of handling the body after death.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 30, 2014 16:46:06 GMT
Ah...but that's where the problem is. It's like the TSA - once you begin the process, you have to complete it, so technically, no it was not illegal. You are assuming there is some common sense in all of this. There's not. Oh I know that but there were no standards and no laws. So I stand by she was held illegally. May I politely refer you to this: CDC: Specific Laws and Regulations Governing the Control of Communicable Diseases
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 16:47:59 GMT
And in case anyone misunderstands, I am not advocating a quarantine, I am advocating for CORRECT information. The biggest risk for Ebola in the United States is for those who will be treating ill patients. It is essential that our MEDICAL community is given correct information, and the proper protocols are put into place. That did NOT happen in Dallas.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 30, 2014 16:57:29 GMT
BTW - just so people are aware. The due process and holding laws at port of entry into the US are utterly and completely different. Border Control (which is who this should have been not TSA) officers have WAY more latitude on everything for searches to detainment than the police. I had a colleague who was reentering the country who learned that the hard way!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 17:04:24 GMT
But she was held for hours and tested numerous times with no fever. They held her until they basically got a fake reading. I stand by what I said.
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 30, 2014 17:09:32 GMT
But she was held for hours and tested numerous times with no fever. They held her until they basically got a fake reading. I stand by what I said. 
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Oct 30, 2014 18:53:35 GMT
I hope the dumb bitch ends up having Ebola.
Awww snap. Yes I did.
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Post by tuesdaysgone on Oct 30, 2014 19:14:15 GMT
Slowly but surely our personal freedoms are being taken away. Like others have said, she's asymptomatic, she's self monitoring, and she's a trained healthcare professional. I so agree! We must protect our personal freedoms from a government that has virtually no idea what it is doing. So you don't like her attitude, you need to respect her right to speak her mind.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Oct 30, 2014 19:18:40 GMT
Here's a thought: Many here have had questions and concerns about women's health and Melissa has stepped up and given her thoughts about these issues. Shouldn't her medical knowledge about Ebola and viruses in general be just as valid and valuable as it is with women's health? Just sayin'.
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Post by marimoose on Oct 30, 2014 19:32:01 GMT
This, exactly. We need to quit freaking out and look at the real science of this disease. Her attitude is inconsequential. She is not a risk to others right now. I so agree. People are freaking out over the craziest thing. Why don't we quarantine ourselves forever so we aren't exposed to anybody. You have no idea what the person standing next to you at the store or sitting next to you in a movie theater might be carrying. I remember the same kind of hysteria in the 80's when AIDS became known. That is far scarier to me than Ebola and even then I didn't suffer from hysteria. Personally I have bigger concerns than a nurse who is exhibiting no signs at all and tested negative twice. All we are possibly doing is making these caring, hardworking healthcare workers possibly decide against helping others. Where does this stop? Each time someone helps out an Ebola patient, then we quarantine them for 21 days. I question how many would really see it as no big deal if they were in the same position. I do NOT see her as being reckless. On top of that, how many have dies in the US from Ebola? One and that was because he hadn't sought treatment in a timely manner. A very unfortunate situation.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 30, 2014 19:42:15 GMT
I have not read all the replies.
Before Dr. Brantly and Mrs. Writebol were rushed to Emory for treatment ebola wasn't really on our radar.
When they were transferred we saw aerial shots of Dr. Brantly in his hazmat suit with the heathcare workers in theirs. The media reported his condition worsened before he eventually got better.
Then nothing until Mr. Duncan arrives in Dallas and that crisis begins. We learned from that situation that we are not prepared in the way the CDC proclaimed. As a result, Duncan's loved ones were left for five days on the apartment risking their infection and they refused to self quarantine but were made to quarantine by authorities. The good news is none of them contracted ebola. The bad news is that the protocols were not in place with adequate protection is the hazmat suits and two nurses became infected.
You can dismiss this as unfounded fear but the fear is real.
The truth is doctors, nurses and volunteers have been to and came back from Africa before all of this happened. It just wasn't on our radar. I think this nurse could use this quarantine time to do Skype interviews about what is going on in Africa. She could also use the unique opportunity to shape public perceptions and help educate the public. Instead she is provoking the public.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:47:51 GMT
A local news station covered this and there were several people commenting on the story that she should be shot on sight. I go back and forth between "attention whore" and "I kinda agree with her." She has tested negative and she is watching her symptoms (I assume). Plus, as others have said, you cannot get ebola from casual contact. You are more likely to get the flu from the person sitting next to you and die from that.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Oct 30, 2014 19:48:01 GMT
I hope the dumb bitch ends up having Ebola. Awww snap. Yes I did. WTH is wrong with you?
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Post by compwalla on Oct 30, 2014 20:16:20 GMT
I'm fine with protocols as long as they are rational and evidence-based. She is not going to go along with paranoia. I can't say I blame her. I don't think I'd willingly comply with irrationality either.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 30, 2014 20:25:21 GMT
I'm starting to really dislike the term "abundance of caution."
Considering this story, and the one about the group of parents who convinced a school superintendent to order a Maine teacher to stay home for 21 days because she TRAVELED TO THE DALLAS METROPOLITAN AREA for a conference, I have considerably more concern about the fallout of panic and misinformation - under the the guise of "caution" - than I have concern about the disease.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 30, 2014 21:47:42 GMT
I hope the dumb bitch ends up having Ebola. Awww snap. Yes I did. And once again you prove you aren't nearly as smart as you like to pretend to be. Dumb bitch, indeed.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 30, 2014 21:56:11 GMT
I have nothing to add to this thread other than agreeing with every intelligent, thoughtful word posted by Melissa and the rest of the people who have actually educated themselves about this situation.
oh wait, I do have something else to say. When you use the examples of the hospital not allowing their doctor to treat patients, or NBC putting Nancy Snyderman on leave, or the bowling alley closing down to scrub every surface to support your contention that there are good, solid reasons to enforce a quarantine, you are wrong. And short-sighted.
These businesses and services are doing it for theatrical purposes. It's to keep people like you from being afraid and refusing to use their hospital, patronize their bowling alley, or watch their channel. It has nothing to do with actually preventing the spread of the disease.
Do you think hospitals really locked out their returning doctors for weeks on end before Ebola because a cause célèbre?
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