Tim holtz the ink road (Lara) drama

People change their minds every day.

We just had a thread here that was “do you ever write out a post and delete it” because you don’t want the ensuing drama?

It sounds to me that is exactly why this person removed her post (which subsequently deleted any comments to her post because that is how Facebook works).

What’s terribly ironic, is that Lara is labeling TH a racist because she’s says he is not using his platform to let Black voices to be heard, yet Lara also has a social media presence and her IG is void of showcasing black artists and allowing them a voice on her platform. She’s a horrible hypocrite.

Comments on the post WERE NOT DELETED by admins—because it’s Facebook, if you delete your post all the comments attached to the post are subsequently deleted along with the OP removing her post. It’s not like this forum, where the OP can delete their OP but comments remain.

Again...if a poster uploads a card on Facebook and people comment on it, and the OP removes her photo/post, any and all comments made on that original post are also deleted by the OP’s action.

Admins did not delete her post or the comments made on it.

Tim has a mega platform, she clearly doesn't. I've gone to bed, woken up, enjoyed a few hours of our national holiday and return to this thread filled with attacks against Lara. "Horrible hypocrite", really? That's definitely stretching the issue to paint one party as the darkest side of the dichotomy spectrum. 

Considering the dates in the emails, I think there's simmering drama as well (contrary to those who think that must mean they're doctored). The chronology works but it's far more stretched out in time. It could also explain the extremely volatile reaction from Mario with insults and all caps. I think Tim's team felt pestered by repeated demands from a tiny faction to proactively do or say something BLM-related as the movement was on the rise and expanding massively by June and that has led to the ensuing nastiness eventually. 

I agree that "doctored" instead of "completely fake" as well as no denial of having ever written those words is the red flag here. No defamation since you imply something isn't right (the emails are related to a much larger convo and back-and-forth context). That's the stuff of PR. If it was entirely made up, that's the defense you go for. Words are straightforward in that case: "I've never written or said this." 

This would also align with the out of place mass block that happened yesterday. It was a decision from a place of defensiveness (from the ego), not from a place of legit, innocent defense (from the actual facts). The full truth lies somewhere in between what we've been shown but without a clear denial as first move, I tend to agree that the words in those emails were written by Mario and Tim. 

. I did not see even Supposedly ‘altered’ evidence of that. I’m not following where that is from.

well here’s a statement I can confidently make. That card is beautiful.

I've given up. Like mom , I'm not inclined to do business with either. It looks like a lot of behind-the-scenes drama happened and someone spilled the (partial) beans to Lara who ran with. Nobody's looking good at the end of the day. I can't believe Ranger didn't step in and impose PR guidance. It's making one of the biggest players in the industry look so amateur. 

How are they deciding/figuring out people to block before they say something? That's one part of this whole saga that I'm really not wrapping my head around. Was it handles that people are using on a variety of social media or something else? I'm not understanding how they'd be able to single out refugeepea prior to her saying anything.

Social media management hubs like Hootsuite with multiple accounts logged in simultaneously. 

I wasn't going to weigh in here... I never heard of the Ink Road lady before this thread and I rarely buy Tim Holtz products, he's just not my style. However, I've been following this thread because the original claims were shocking and it has been super active. I come from a perspective of being the person who always wants to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe victims. I also am a lawyer and a lot of my job involves digging through evidence to get to the truth and learning how to present that truth in a believable fashion--and see through when others are trying to present something that is false. I also know that it is SUPER EASY to create a fake email screen shot, I could mock one up in photoshop in about 10 minutes.

For sure, we will never know 100% what happened. But, from what I've read/looked up, here are the FACTS:
+ SSS discontinued Ink Road stamps, we have no idea why
+ There was a BLM card posted in Tim Holtz FB group that the artist removed herself. We do not know why, if comments were or were not deleted, if Tim/other mods even saw this layout, but we do know two things about this: (1) the artist removed it herself; and (2) Ink Road Lady knew this before publicly posting a video claiming Tim took it down for racist reasons.
+ Ink Road posted a video claiming that Tim was racist, her support for this was the fact that he removed a card from his FB group that she in fact knew he did not remove, and then she included some screen shots of emails that do not add up with the facts (e.g. said Zoe was going to be fired, but Zoe is still actively representing Tim's brand).
+ One of the time stamps on an email was in the future US time. Time stamps on emails typically show the time zone of the recipient--not sure where Ink Road is but regardless that email was super recent.
+ Tim posted in support of BLM on his instagram feed as far back as June 2.
+ A black artist, queenpreneur on instagram, posted about collaborating with Tim 4 days ago and today he is sharing an IGTV post from her supporting him and saying that Ink Road is just trying to drag him through the mud for attention
+ Tim posted a public, general statement that simply said the emails are doctored
+ Zoe reached out to Ink Road stamp trying to get her to discuss via video chat, which is reasonable given that part of Tim's claim is that his email communications had been doctored
+ Some people have been blocked from posting in Tim's groups or contacting his staff, we do not know why

Those are the facts, now we need to draw a reasonable conclusion from the facts. In my OPINION, here is what that conclusion should be:
+ Ink Road Stamps got her products discontinued from SSS and possibly had some conflict with Tim Holtz & Co, unrelated to BLM
+ Ink Road Stamps wanted to spin this to her advantage by latching onto the hot button issue of the moment and calling him out as anti-BLM in hopes that it would get her more attention & sales. In some respects it worked, there were definitely people on this thread saying they would buy her stamps because of this and I had personally never heard of her before this.
+ Ink Road Stamps has a history of creating similar drama. While past actions are not a reason to "convict" someone of a current crime, when it follows the same pattern it is relevant... and it definitely goes to her credibility. (If this was a court case, her past cases would likely be admissible because they go to her integrity & follow a similar pattern...)
+ Tim & Co have had a history of supporting BLM, did not do anything anti-BLM & did not write the emails to Ink Road Stamps. However, they are taking the position of issuing a simple, broad statement and then "rising above" and going back to their regularly scheduled content because they realize that getting into the weeds of defending each thing is just going to cause Ink Road Stamps to make more videos and give her more attention which is why she did this in the first place.

I'm all for calling out those who are not supporting BLM and working towards inclusion. But Ink Road Stamps is not black, yet she is using the movement to further her own personal gain which is, in my opinion, despicable. She is doing this to sell more product and cause drama, not because she is really trying to make the world a more inclusive place. I am a strong believer in being an ally, but not taking over the discussion. When there are black people who need someone to stand up for them, I am here, as we all should be. But right now they are strong and they are standing up for themselves. I am here, as we all should be, to support, to listen, and to follow... not to lead. The original artist, a black woman, was not offended. Tim has the support of at least one other black woman on his instagram and seems to be actively working to be more inclusive. I also saw at least one black pea post on here that this was a fight between non-black people about BLM which is not the point and should be dropped. So we should be following these black women and not giving more attention to a woman who is trying to grab all the attention for herself rather than allow it to go to the movement.

All I see here is a non-black woman trying to use the BLM movement for her own personal gain and tear down the reputation of someone who is doing his best in the process. I hope that we can let this issue die... and that OP can edit the subject because it's pretty defamatory and I think at the very least its factual accuracy has been called into question.

I’m sitting on the bench beside lasteve1. I also agree the thread title should be changed.

Lasteve1 has my view of things expressed more clearly than I ever would be able to manage.

But clicking back I read the title again. All this "evidence" of bullying...where is the evidence of Tim using racial slurs?

Ok, so there are social media management tools on the market for professionals. You pay a monthly fee to use them (there are basic free plans for some of them). These tools allow you to congregate all your social media accounts across different platforms and different users. Let's take Studio Calico: they can have Studio Calico IG, FB, Twitter, etc. but also all of April Foster's accounts. It's all in one hub that you can access from a more ergonomic space like a computer (of course, also accessible from mobile devices). You can use this hub to create + plan posts, reply to messages, manage followers (including blocking), access data analysis, etc. It's the motherboard and you can do everything on there. No more opening apps on a mobile phone and patiently writing out stuff or navigating from the platform app. These management tools can also integrate blogs. 

One of those hubs is called Hootsuite and it's usually an old fave among community managers. On top of these management hubs, you also have SaaS (software as a service) specialised in monitoring followership like Crowdfire. And engagement for marketing ops like SPREAD. Basically, as a consumer with a basic IG feed, you're being catered to by companies and influencers through advanced tools that are fully integrated.

It's extremely easy to preemptively block someone from account B because they said something in account A if you're dealing with accounts on the same platform like what happened to refugeepea when you're using a hub. You just block the user from ALL accounts on that platform (Instagram in this case) you're managing (open simultaneously) in the hub.

Hope this made sense!