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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 27, 2020 22:36:02 GMT
My agency has work teams. We are all basically on our own and meet with clients independently, but my job is intertwined with the other team members. There are five people on our team. Three of them are not good at returning or responding to emails. Two of them are in their 60's and not tech savvy at all. One doesn't seem to make much effort to learn new things and doesn't really explain why she doesn't respond except to say that she "didn't see" the email, etc. The other one is constantly talking about problems that she has with her phone, computer, internet, etc. She rarely responds to my texts or emails and says that she didn't have internet or some other problem. She does live in the country, but that doesn't seem like it would affect her getting texts?
We have a team meeting tomorrow and I want to address this (Again) but am not sure how legitimate her statements are regarding the technology being to blame. She recently said that the silo on their property blocks the cell or internet tower. Is that legit? And if so, would it affect her ability to get texts? She is out of her house daily to go to work so it seems that even if those texts didn't go through at her home, they would go through when she got into an area with coverage, right?
I don't want to be rude to her, but this is getting really old. I need her to be more timely with responses, even if it isn't right away. But I am not sure what is reasonable if she is indeed having problems with her phone coverage. She also says that she has computer and phone issues in general but that is not necessarily related to the internet. What are your thoughts?
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Post by AnastasiaBeaverhausn on Aug 27, 2020 22:55:59 GMT
It is literally the same network that gets you voice calls that gets you texts. If she is getting calls that aren't garbled, then she can get texts. Now if she is using something like WhatsApp or FB Messenger for texts, that is data usage. If the metal silo is in a direct line in between the house and the tower, then it's possible that she would have trouble. She might have a crappy cell phone and that's her issue as well.
Just ran your message by my IT hubby and that's what he said.
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Post by nlwilkins on Aug 27, 2020 23:29:34 GMT
As a team leader in the early 2000's I finally had to insist that team members responded to all messages - emails and texts with at least with a "got it" If they were not getting them or were having tech difficulties, it was on them to find a solution and fix it. If your team member is not always at home where the silo is, then that is not the issue. Texts and emails come through once the connection is made when getting out of range of the silo.
This sounds cold and uncaring, but communication is what makes team work happen. If team members cannot communicate and respond to messages, then they are not being good team members and need to work on it. ALL the team members need to be made aware that not responding to messages could be a negative issue on performance evaluation. You might also institute a check in on a regular basis for those who will not respond to messages either a face2face or a phone call. Motivate them to want to respond.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Aug 27, 2020 23:33:12 GMT
Well, I will tell you that while my cell company coverage map shows complete coverage where I am, my apartment is basically a deadzone. Texts don't always come through timely, though I can sometimes force it to check if I turn off WiFi, turn on airplane mode, then turn off airplane mode and let it try to get the network. Sometimes, texts come through at three in the morning after the phone does its daily restart (and I know for a fact that my coworkers did not send me texts at 3 am.) I can drop a phone call from my "desk" just by turning 15 degrees one way or the other. And if I leave the apartment and the wifi, and go downstairs to my car where it drops the wifi, and go out about town, the phone may or may not decide to find the nearest towers to connect to the network. If not, I have to turn airplane mode off and on again to get the 5 bars I know it should have. So I can totally believe there are cell issues.
Depending on where she is in the country, her internet may be limited to satellite service (i.e., not cable). I mean, the cable company wanted something like $15,000 to run cable from the main line up to my aunt's house less than a mile up the driveway, so she stuck with her giant satellite dish. As far as I know, it usually works just fine, but I think it's more susceptible to interference.
Having said all of that, though, I am able to be logged in to my work email all day, so unless the work network goes down, people can reach me that way if not by phone. So I would probably try to couch any discussion in "how can we make you more available to receive and respond timely?" rather than focusing on the technical legitimacy of her claims.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 27, 2020 23:50:09 GMT
@eddie-n-Harley that is pretty much what we have done in the past but it is always blown off that it is a result of tech issues.
Part of the email issue is that I am pretty sure the older two only check it on their computer (not their phone) and therefore they don't check it very often. I do have an issue myself where sometimes I will get a notification on my phone but it isn't a good time to respond (like if I am driving or with a client) so it sometimes takes me longer to respond but I generally respond within the day. But there are several important emails that the others never respond to and then when something is brought up that was sent in an email, they act surprised. The one that also doesn't respond to texts could go days without responding. Just last week I had about 8 texts to her that went with no response but then when she needed to ask me something, she could get through. She doesn't seem to have an issue calling.
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Post by lizacreates on Aug 27, 2020 23:57:19 GMT
Being in your 60s is not an excuse. There really isn’t a steep learning curve in emailing and texting. My 90-year-old mother and her friends keep in touch via texts and emails all the time. If you’ve addressed this problem before with the three individuals and it’s obviously persisting, is there a manager who is ultimately responsible for your team’s performance you could speak with?
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2020 0:01:45 GMT
Yes, buildings or pieces of buildings can block a cel signal. Sometimes it’s always blocked other times it’s spotty. Certain trucks on the highway can mess up a cel signal. Basements. Steel, Walmart. Can all have issues
I endure this at work all the time but I do respond to emails or texts when I get them
My DS once got a text a day later than I sent it 🤷♀️ I wouldn’t have believed him but he was sitting next to me when it came in. And I’m like I sent that yesterday good thing it wasn’t important.
Tech issues might be real, but it’s her responsibility to work around that and make an effort to check every so often. And then respond
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Aug 28, 2020 0:02:18 GMT
What is the reporting structure? Is someone in charge? If this was my team, I would be Willing to make minor allowances for technology in these special circumstances, but I would expect people to be making an effort to accommodate for any lapses in technology. So I would talk to the group about finding a maybe single place we could all communicate like a Microsoft planner list, SharePoint wiki, etc. where everyone could reach out to that place rather than relying on messages coming to each person. Then I would want check-ins maybe between certain hours each day. If someone couldn’t check due to tech, they could be responsible for calling someone else.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Aug 28, 2020 0:03:32 GMT
Oh, and my guy friend sometimes gets all my texts at once when he is at the house in the country. It’s just the way rural areas work sometimes.
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Post by pancakes on Aug 28, 2020 2:30:04 GMT
Out of curiosity what would happen if you started calling her every time you would have texted or emailed? If she’s getting calls, then I can imagine this would get annoying enough for her to start using another method of communication.
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Post by garcia5050 on Aug 28, 2020 3:15:10 GMT
We have one employee on our staff who claims she has connection issues and just can’t effectively work from home. Her mother also works for our company and has no issues. They live together. They have the same standard issue laptop. So yes. I’m extremely skeptical of stuff like this. But I’m not familiar with country living, so maybe these are legit issues.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 28, 2020 11:53:45 GMT
It’s not you, it’s them. Texts need a much weaker signal to be received. And if they are leaving the property daily, it seems unbelievable that the texts do not come in at that time.
I don’t know that I would bring this up at the meeting, but maybe just one-on-one with your manager. I would ask how to improve communication because you are going days without receiving a response some team members. I would cite the technology as a reason why they aren’t answering and act like you believe them. And then ask that someone help these team members solve the issue.
If they have smartphones, I suspect that they don’t have the Notifications feature set on their phones. So they can’t see that they have a new text/email/voicemail at a glance. They have to physically open the app to see any new communication. If you are the manager, I would appoint another team member to check the Notifications on the phone. If it’s an Apple phone, you can see when they received a text by holding the text message and moving it to the left. The time stamp will then appear.
But in the end, you may just need to call them. Some people wear it as a badge of honor that they don’t use technology. You aren’t going to change that mentality.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2020 12:13:46 GMT
We have one employee on our staff who claims she has connection issues and just can’t effectively work from home. Her mother also works for our company and has no issues. They live together. They have the same standard issue laptop. So yes. I’m extremely skeptical of stuff like this. But I’m not familiar with country living, so maybe these are legit issues. yes, one area of a house can have more connectivity issues than another, also in my home i can't 'run' 3 devices at the same time. Had the Internet guy here and its an overloaded node issue. So, 'splitting the node' is the only real solution and we are stuck until the company decides to split the node. Until then there will be random bandwidth issues and I can't even pay for increased bandwidth until they split the node I'm off off. HOWEVER, if one person has no connectivity issues from the same house, it is up to your employees to both work it out so they can both complete their work. IF there are no connectivity issues for one and there is for the other then what steps has she taken to remedy that? She can move to an area of the house with better connectivity, get a wifi booster, take turns working online/offline with the other employee if it's a bandwidth issue. It is doable, my DD also works from home in my house and we manage, node issue or not we both complete our work. ( and her's is streaming) If employees have connectivity issues they SHOULD be working with your company to improve it. Otherwise it is just an excuse.
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Post by psiluvu on Aug 28, 2020 12:22:56 GMT
Some people wear it as a badge of honor that they don’t use technology. You aren’t going to change that mentality. IMO you can change that mentality if its important enough to the troglodyte. I would think job security would be important enough to smarten up and learn to use it properly. My dh used to be like this. Our dd went away for university. He complained he never heard from her meanwhile she texted me every day. He missed out on a few golf trips with his buddies because he never checked his texts and they got someone else in his place. He complained. I just said that's on you, none of those things affect me. You have a smart phone if you like either ds or I can teach you how to use it. It has been about 3 years now and he will never be a super techy but he does text (and loves emojiis) and uses an ipad to book golf and do some shopping so there is hope for most anyone.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2020 12:24:03 GMT
It’s not you, it’s them. Texts need a much weaker signal to be received. And if they are leaving the property daily, it seems unbelievable that the texts do not come in at that time. I don’t know that I would bring this up at the meeting, but maybe just one-on-one with your manager. I would ask how to improve communication because you are going days without receiving a response some team members. I would cite the technology as a reason why they aren’t answering and act like you believe them. And then ask that someone help these team members solve the issue. If they have smartphones, I suspect that they don’t have the Notifications feature set on their phones. So they can’t see that they have a new text/email/voicemail at a glance. They have to physically open the app to see any new communication. In a normal world i work 80% off line without access to a device. However, I am required to check my texts, email & now teams, a minimum of 2 times per day and i have a 24 hr window to reply. It's a matter of developing a written policy then tracking compliance. And yes they do send tests out, mostly thru email, to see if we check and respond. Employees just need to develop a habit of checking. At first Teams was tricky because i didn't have it across devices but you can set teams to email you when your mentioned, copied, or when your streams have activity. Which means i just have to check my emails. Problem solved. None of this is that difficult if they WANT to remain connected and engaged and doing their jobs.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 28, 2020 12:41:15 GMT
Some people wear it as a badge of honor that they don’t use technology. You aren’t going to change that mentality. IMO you can change that mentality if its important enough to the troglodyte. I would think job security would be important enough to smarten up and learn to use it properly. My dh used to be like this. Our dd went away for university. He complained he never heard from her meanwhile she texted me every day. He missed out on a few golf trips with his buddies because he never checked his texts and they got someone else in his place. He complained. I just said that's on you, none of those things affect me. You have a smart phone if you like either ds or I can teach you how to use it. It has been about 3 years now and he will never be a super techy but he does text (and loves emojiis) and uses an ipad to book golf and do some shopping so there is hope for most anyone. This is true to some extent. My Dad hates texts and complains that it’s all my kids use. I told him that they are seldom able to make a phone call, but can text at almost any time. That helped a bit, but he still complains. They are all in Minnesota while we live out of the country, so he has to cobble together some sort of communication with the kids. Which usually falls to my step mother! And ironically, Dad thinks he’s really tech savvy.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 28, 2020 12:43:18 GMT
It’s not you, it’s them. Texts need a much weaker signal to be received. And if they are leaving the property daily, it seems unbelievable that the texts do not come in at that time. I don’t know that I would bring this up at the meeting, but maybe just one-on-one with your manager. I would ask how to improve communication because you are going days without receiving a response some team members. I would cite the technology as a reason why they aren’t answering and act like you believe them. And then ask that someone help these team members solve the issue. If they have smartphones, I suspect that they don’t have the Notifications feature set on their phones. So they can’t see that they have a new text/email/voicemail at a glance. They have to physically open the app to see any new communication. In a normal world i work 80% off line without access to a device. However, I am required to check my texts, email & now teams, a minimum of 2 times per day and i have a 24 hr window to reply. It's a matter of developing a written policy then tracking compliance. And yes they do send tests out, mostly thru email, to see if we check and respond. Employees just need to develop a habit of checking. At first Teams was tricky because i didn't have it across devices but you can set teams to email you when your mentioned, copied, or when your streams have activity. Which means i just have to check my emails. Problem solved. None of this is that difficult if they WANT to remain connected and engaged and doing their jobs. The thing is that their job obviously does not require this compliance. It’s probably time to change that. We are almost 6 months into this. Another year before things are back to “normal” and I’d bet money that a lot more people will work from home. I’m thinking there will be a lot of policy changes from businesses in the coming years.
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Post by imkat on Aug 28, 2020 12:43:39 GMT
If there are technology issues, it's on them to fix them until they are resolved. This is part of being a professional. I agree with the points above and have a few additional ones:
Set expectations for when you are expecting responses to email. I try to respond to everything within 24 hours or less, even if it is just "I'm working on it."
I don't think it is fair to expect that personal cell phones be used for work (if that's the case here). For me, I do not like interrupting my personal time with work unless it is an emergency. Also, my cell phone is not the optimal way for me to respond--it's a hassle to access my files and other things I need for a response, I can't text as well as I type, I might be driving, etc.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 28, 2020 12:58:39 GMT
In a normal world i work 80% off line without access to a device. However, I am required to check my texts, email & now teams, a minimum of 2 times per day and i have a 24 hr window to reply. It's a matter of developing a written policy then tracking compliance. And yes they do send tests out, mostly thru email, to see if we check and respond. Employees just need to develop a habit of checking. At first Teams was tricky because i didn't have it across devices but you can set teams to email you when your mentioned, copied, or when your streams have activity. Which means i just have to check my emails. Problem solved. None of this is that difficult if they WANT to remain connected and engaged and doing their jobs. The thing is that their job obviously does not require this compliance. It’s probably time to change that. We are almost 6 months into this. Another year before things are back to “normal” and I’d bet money that a lot more people will work from home. I’m thinking there will be a lot of policy changes from businesses in the coming years. Everyones job expectations renew at some point. just need management to slip it in there. At my job the management level just has to send out an official email stating the new policy and then we are supposed to comply. My supervisor will call everyone who doesn't respond so there's no ' i didn't get it' excuse available. There is a level of convenience to working from home and employees should be doing all that they reasonably can to remain engaged and connected and productive. If they need help with connectivity they should be reaching out to see what the company is willing to assist with. barring a service breakdown due to storms or such nearly anyone can have a wired internet connection. When an employee has no interest in improving their connectivity that is when the 'excuse' is really just that, an excuse. At that point they obviously do not want to be connected and productive and that is the problem. it is possible that those employees were not the most productive in the office either but were able to hide it better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 13:58:29 GMT
I am just wondering if these are work cell phones? And if the company pays for them? We had to hash this out at my work a few years ago, when there were people who were checking emails on their phones and people who were not. I was in the "not" camp, not because I couldn't but because my phone is my personal device and if my work was not paying for my phone, I wasn't using it for work purposes. HOWEVER, if this is a work device, you have every right to expect they will be checking texts, messages, ect in a timely manner. And if that means running into "town" to do it, well then they need to do that.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Aug 28, 2020 14:08:42 GMT
Maybe if she doesn't have reliable service she should return to the office to do her work. I know in COVID days, it is preferred to work at home, but maybe a safe, isolated work space should be provided for her to make sure she can do her job.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 28, 2020 14:33:37 GMT
There is a level of convenience to working from home and employees should be doing all that they reasonably can to remain engaged and connected and productive. If they need help with connectivity they should be reaching out to see what the company is willing to assist with. barring a service breakdown due to storms or such nearly anyone can have a wired internet connection. Maybe if she doesn't have reliable service she should return to the office to do her work. I know in COVID days, it is preferred to work at home, but maybe a safe, isolated work space should be provided for her to make sure she can do her job. Yes, all this. We are nearly six months into this with no end in site. 600 people work in my building. We have no good plan for going back into the office. At this point, it's time to accept that working from home will be long term and you need to deal with the changes. I, too, am getting tired of the excuses going on. We don't have each other back to back in cubicles anymore. We need to be able to be available for work email and TEAMS meetings during our work hours, period.
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Post by librarylady on Aug 28, 2020 15:29:39 GMT
My siblings have taken to texting ALL THE TIME since Covid. I love that we are not more in communication,but I have found texting to be very unreliable.
Example: last night there was a conversation between 4 sisters (that includes me). Even now I have not received the initial message, but I received everyone's replies. From time to time, I never receive 1 or 2 messages in a string. I am using a Samsung Galaxy phone with ATT service. Often my sister gets all her text messages in one "dump' at 2 or 3 AM. Her home is in a rural area, but she works in Fort Worth city limits and one would think the messages could arrive during business hours if sent during business hours. She also has ATT as the provider.
Another quirk: DIL cannot send DH a text. We had no idea until she came on an in person visit and asked why he would not answer her text messages. We tried deleting her name and then reentering her as a contact, doing the same on her phone but her text messages just will not come to his device. very strange.
I could go on, but won't---but I would not use texting for business messages because of the unreliable nature of the beast.
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Post by mrssmith on Aug 28, 2020 16:56:19 GMT
Well, I will tell you that while my cell company coverage map shows complete coverage where I am, my apartment is basically a deadzone. Texts don't always come through timely, though I can sometimes force it to check if I turn off WiFi, turn on airplane mode, then turn off airplane mode and let it try to get the network. Sometimes, texts come through at three in the morning after the phone does its daily restart (and I know for a fact that my coworkers did not send me texts at 3 am.) I can drop a phone call from my "desk" just by turning 15 degrees one way or the other. And if I leave the apartment and the wifi, and go downstairs to my car where it drops the wifi, and go out about town, the phone may or may not decide to find the nearest towers to connect to the network. If not, I have to turn airplane mode off and on again to get the 5 bars I know it should have. So I can totally believe there are cell issues. Depending on where she is in the country, her internet may be limited to satellite service (i.e., not cable). I mean, the cable company wanted something like $15,000 to run cable from the main line up to my aunt's house less than a mile up the driveway, so she stuck with her giant satellite dish. As far as I know, it usually works just fine, but I think it's more susceptible to interference. Having said all of that, though, I am able to be logged in to my work email all day, so unless the work network goes down, people can reach me that way if not by phone. So I would probably try to couch any discussion in "how can we make you more available to receive and respond timely?" rather than focusing on the technical legitimacy of her claims. AT&T doesn't work in my house, but it works across the street. Hence, I have Verizon. Now that so many WFH, organizations need to be clear about the communications expectations and what tech/specs are needed at home (and help staff fix it). I would also ask *how* to help fix it, or talk to your boss about it, and if it's some sort of external issue, see what modifications are available. I don't think constant tech problems can be an excuse, or not learning new stuff, when so many are working remote. We had a staff retreat via Zoom and in my breakout group, we discussed creating a document regarding expectations. Like turning video on, learning basic Zoom things (like change your settings to enter on mute and with video off), etc. We all need to do it now.
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Post by chaosisapony on Aug 28, 2020 17:45:25 GMT
I live in the country right next door to a historic church. The church steeple blocks my ability to make calls on my cell phone. I can receive texts but I cannot get a voice signal at all. And sometimes those texts come through hours after the sender sent them. Sometimes I find out one never came through at all (though this is very rare). I also cannot get any internet service at my house aside from a mobile hotspot. Meanwhile my neighbors across the street have multiple ISPs to choose from and get a great cell signal. So yes, I would have no trouble believing your coworker.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 28, 2020 18:03:34 GMT
Our work hasn't really changed much except that in March, April and May we saw clients over zoom instead of going to their homes. We have unusual work situations in that our home base is at home, but we see clients elsewhere. So, we are always coming and going and not at an office, per se. We also work unusual and varying hours so that can be difficult to set boundaries with phone and email.
We also have self-managed teams so technically there is a program director but ideally the team handles problems. We talked today during our meeting and people were defensive, etc and of course the excuse of the phone issue came up. The one that won't respond to texts said that she got a new work phone today so maybe that will improve things. Who knows. She has supposedly talked to the IT people at work and her internet provider multiple times but there are still issues. I think some parts of it are legit but at times it is an excuse. She says she would prefer to call, which IMO is a pain when it is just a quick yes or no question and one or both of us are on the go. But I guess I will just need to call her if I really need a response.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 28, 2020 18:58:26 GMT
She rarely responds to my texts or emails and says that she didn't have internet or some other problem. She does live in the country, but that doesn't seem like it would affect her getting texts? It could. I live in an 'internet desert" ..so to speak. I have finally been able to get a decent internet provider that beams the signal via a line of sight radio signal. As far as not getting the texts, if she has an iPhone and her message are coming in via iMessage, and she has her data turned off on her phone (or she just doesn't have the LTE signal) - they won't come in. I do sometimes turn off my phone data, if I am at or ready to exceed my monthly data cap. If I don't switch off 'iMessage' in my settings, I quite getting any texts that are sent to me from another iPhone. No MMS message (pictures or video) will come in at all, no matter what type of phone they are sent from, if I have my data off. I can also go into areas around me that I do not have any data service. Sometimes I get the message from someone later (even days later) or never at all. If my phone doesn't have LTE, and switches over to 3G or lower - I have a great amount of difficulty getting texts in or sent. She recently said that the silo on their property blocks the cell or internet tower. Is that legit This is totally legit. We have several 70' tall silos at one of our farms. I have to sometimes walk around to a different side of it to get a signal. At my house, if a semi or trailer is parked in my driveway in front of my dish that points towards my 'line-of-sight' internet connection, I have no internet. Living in the country, when there really are not any great options for cell and internet service is a real thing! Sometimes people just use the 'I didn't get the message as an excuse though.. but for me - it's real.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 28, 2020 19:07:07 GMT
If they need help with connectivity they should be reaching out to see what the company is willing to assist with. barring a service breakdown due to storms or such nearly anyone can have a wired internet connection. If they need help with connectivity they should be reaching out to see what the company is willing to assist with. barring a service breakdown due to storms or such nearly anyone can have a wired internet connection. When an employee has no interest in improving their connectivity that is when the 'excuse' is really just that, an excuse. At that point they obviously do not want to be connected and productive and that is the problem. it is possible that those employees were not the most productive in the office either but were able to hide it better. I have absolutely zero choice of a wired internet connection. None. And there will not be any at any point in the future as far as I can tell, and I have researched it extensively. I am by far not alone in this situation in my area. I was finally able to get a Fixed Wireless provider a few years ago (Rise Broadband) .. but holy $h*t, the service was AWFUL. They had SO many outages, or the speed was about as slow as dialup. It was terrible, and expensive. A more local provider is now available to me, that is the same Fixed Wireless type and it is much better. I have almost has no outages, and for the most part, the speed is acceptable at 10 Mbps... usually. Yes - for me 10 Mbps is BLAZING fast. They also do not have a data cap, which most other options including Satellite have. If you are stuck with either Hughes Net or Via Sat, you are data capped a pretty low amount of usage. When I have ViaSat - it was capped at 10 GB/per month. Which could easily be hit in a day, when my kids still lived here. The rest of the month was slower than dialup. HughesNet is similar. I think ViaSat's data cap is 40GB for the bottom tier plan now - which is still not much. So if they are dealing with only being able to go off satellite internet - they honestly have issues that are beyond their control.
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Post by hmp on Aug 28, 2020 19:08:17 GMT
I have a house where my ability to get calls, emails & text message literally depends upon which direction the wind is blowing.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 28, 2020 19:10:10 GMT
they honestly have issues that are beyond their control. Then there needs to be an exception for these people to work in the office. It's not fair to everyone else who must do their job for them and can't have meaningful communication.
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