sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 18:06:39 GMT
Trump just brokered his 2nd Middle Eastern peace deal...I'm watching them sign it now. I just wasn't sure if your news outlets had shared that with you. This is a good thing, right? Your snark is noted regarding “your news outlets”. 😐 While I don’t watch FOX news, I read a variety of both right leaning and left leaning publications, regularly. All of them told me about these Mid- East deals. At face value, yes, it seems like good news - but because I understand quite a bit about relations here, I have my doubts - so I’ll wait and see.
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Post by keriwest on Sept 15, 2020 18:13:04 GMT
LOL...there's plenty of snark on this thread, sassyangel.
I appreciate that you don't immediately shit on the peace deal and are taking a wait and see approach.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
LOL...there's plenty of snark on this thread, sassyangel. I appreciate that you don't immediately shit on the peace deal and are taking a wait and see approach. Sure there is, but I don’t appreciate it about that in particular. Especially when it doesn’t seem like you’re holding yourself to the same standard, I don’t think that’s fair to do.
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Post by Merge on Sept 15, 2020 18:25:12 GMT
LOL...there's plenty of snark on this thread, sassyangel. I appreciate that you don't immediately shit on the peace deal and are taking a wait and see approach. Despite what you might think, most of us take a 'wait and see' approach to things like this that Trump does. He does things often enough that are horrifying on their face, that we don't need to shit on the wait and see stuff. On balance, those things are minuscule compared to the enormous harm he's done to our country politically, socially, environmentally, and diplomatically. There's a lot of back story and context to this deal, as sassyangel pointed out, that I'm sure hasn't been covered on any TV outlet, except maybe the Sunday shows, regardless of slant. And to your point about news outlets, I would really continue to encourage everyone to walk away from their TVs and social media when it comes to news. Read reputable print sources from a variety of points of view. Nothing meaningful is contained in any soundbite-laden, ratings-driven, personality-centered show on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, OANN, etc. It's much easier with a print source - with the caveat that you should stay out of the opinion sections unless you understand very clearly that they ARE opinion - to gather context and facts without the shock and outrage. I would actually challenge everyone here to turn off the TV until the election. Find three sources to read - left, right, and center - and stick with those. See how much your outlook changes (or perhaps doesn't). But it would be an interesting exercise for most people, I think, to examine the difference between what their favorite TV personality says, and what is written by actual professional journalists who are fact-checked and held to certain professional standards.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 18:51:22 GMT
LOL...there's plenty of snark on this thread, sassyangel. I appreciate that you don't immediately shit on the peace deal and are taking a wait and see approach. Despite what you might think, most of us take a 'wait and see' approach to things like this that Trump does. He does things often enough that are horrifying on their face, that we don't need to shit on the wait and see stuff. On balance, those things are minuscule compared to the enormous harm he's done to our country politically, socially, environmentally, and diplomatically. There's a lot of back story and context to this deal, as sassyangel pointed out, that I'm sure hasn't been covered on any TV outlet, except maybe the Sunday shows, regardless of slant. And to your point about news outlets, I would really continue to encourage everyone to walk away from their TVs and social media when it comes to news. Read reputable print sources from a variety of points of view. Nothing meaningful is contained in any soundbite-laden, ratings-driven, personality-centered show on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, OANN, etc. It's much easier with a print source - with the caveat that you should stay out of the opinion sections unless you understand very clearly that they ARE opinion - to gather context and facts without the shock and outrage. I would actually challenge everyone here to turn off the TV until the election. Find three sources to read - left, right, and center - and stick with those. See how much your outlook changes (or perhaps doesn't). But it would be an interesting exercise for most people, I think, to examine the difference between what their favorite TV personality says, and what is written by actual professional journalists who are fact-checked and held to certain professional standards. Hell, I took a wait and see approach when he was elected. While I had my doubts based on what I knew of him, I was hoping he’d rise to the challenge - and that the existence of separate branches, and system of checks and balances would rein in the really out there stuff he might try. And I’m not really happy to end up being right in my doubts, at expense of the country either. I really fear for this country, for four more years of him. And I’ve been here 18 years, through two other presidents/administrations, and I never felt like that.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 15, 2020 18:53:55 GMT
It has been carried by all the news here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 18:55:17 GMT
I would actually challenge everyone here to turn off the TV until the election. Find three sources to read - left, right, and center - and stick with those. See how much your outlook changes (or perhaps doesn't). But it would be an interesting exercise for most people, I think, to examine the difference between what their favorite TV personality says, and what is written by actual professional journalists who are fact-checked and held to certain professional standards. Hear Hear! I dislike the constant talking heads instead of just reporting the news. These are NOT news, they’re opinion pieces! I’m disheartened when I talk with friends who are voting for Trump. If I ask what news they watch it’s usually “Oh, I don’t watch the news.” Okay, what papers or websites do you read? “Facebook, Twitter.” Egads people....get informed via multiple journalistic outlets. I personally also look in on BBC and even the English versions of national news outlets like Al Jazeera and Der Spiegel.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 15, 2020 18:59:27 GMT
You are being willfully ignorant if you don't understand that Biden will be nothing more than a puppet-president for the extreme left. He can't even answer questions without a teleprompter telling him what to say. If you think that Trump ISN'T a puppet president....then you are being willfully ignorant. He does not care one iota for anyone but himself and what he can benefit from. America is just a whore to him. Yeah... we already have a puppet president!
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 19:05:11 GMT
I would actually challenge everyone here to turn off the TV until the election. Find three sources to read - left, right, and center - and stick with those. See how much your outlook changes (or perhaps doesn't). But it would be an interesting exercise for most people, I think, to examine the difference between what their favorite TV personality says, and what is written by actual professional journalists who are fact-checked and held to certain professional standards. Hear Hear! I dislike the constant talking heads instead of just reporting the news. These are NOT news, they’re opinion pieces! I’m disheartened when I talk with friends who are voting for Trump. If I ask what news they watch it’s usually “Oh, I don’t watch the news.” Okay, what papers or websites do you read? “Facebook, Twitter.” Egads people....get informed via multiple journalistic outlets. I personally also look in on BBC and even the English versions of national news outlets like Al Jazeera and Der Spiegel. I don’t mind written opinion pieces, I just want them to be transparent in where they lean. I prefer to read where I know which way they lean - either side because it helps with my reading perspective. When you read both sides on specific issues, there is more common ground than you’d think - even if the ideas of how to achieve it are poles apart. Of course there are clear fundamental differences too, but even reading both perspectives helps confirm intellectually why I think the way I do and occasionally gives me a new perspective - and that’s not a bad thing either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:29:01 GMT
Having read your link I've come to the conclusion that it's a bloody lost cause discussing this topic with such selfish people.Maybe you'd consider donating your large tax breaks with those poor people that have lost everything including the lives of their loved ones..I hope future generations will find a way of forgiving you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:31:02 GMT
What was signed today is NOT a Middle East Peace Deal by a long shot! It is a completely one-sided deal. Trump wants you to think this is a Peace Deal...nothing of the kind.
This is DEFINITELY not looked at by Middle Eastern News Outlet as a Peace Deal either.
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 15, 2020 19:35:56 GMT
I don't see that today's Israel-Bahrain 'Peace Treaty' is much of a plus.
Bahrain has a history of human rights abuses, and suppressing the fight for a democracy and this 'treaty' enables them to continue their action with US sanctions, along with the ability to purchase massive weapons form the US. Israel is also gaining an ability to purchase more high tech weapons from the US. These two countries have long had a diplomatic, security and trade agreements, although they were not official.
And how is it a peace treaty when the two countries have long co-existed well together? They were not at odds, so a peace treaty is misleading in terminology. This treaty merely provides military, financial and diplomatic cover for countries that are repressing democracy, provided by the US.
In the past, Arab Countries have refused to normalize relationships with Israel until it acknowledges Palestinian National rights. This agreement just increases US influence in the Middle est, rather than reducing the violence or easing any oppression in that region.
Anyone impressed that Trump pulled off this 'deal of the century' has no clue as to the history or depth of Middle East relations. This is way beyond Jared, Donnie and Pompeo's skill level.
Smells more like a side deal with Benny, so that the US can continue to vote to block any censure in the UN for Israel's atrocious actions against the Palestinian people, (as the US has done for almost 50 votes).
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Post by keriwest on Sept 15, 2020 19:38:58 GMT
Thanks for the insight!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:41:07 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 19:46:17 GMT
Yes they are! We do not use or buy many items on that list—simply because we are trying to have a better environment and be better stewards of the 🌏.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 19:48:35 GMT
That doesn't clear up anything. It doesn't even SAY anything. Most democrats don't even like the green new deal in its current form. (Just one point of many in that article that are off) So yeah, no. Just another uninformed, opinion article. Perhaps it is why some people *think* they are voting for Trump, but I'm still left scratching my head You are being willfully ignorant if you don't understand that Biden will be nothing more than a puppet-president for the extreme left. He can't even answer questions without a teleprompter telling him what to say. Oh the delicious irony..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:53:14 GMT
I don't see that today's Israel-Bahrain 'Peace Treaty' is much of a plus. Bahrain has a history of human rights abuses, and suppressing the fight for a democracy and this 'treaty' enables them to continue their action with US sanctions, along with the ability to purchase massive weapons form the US. Israel is also gaining an ability to purchase more high tech weapons from the US. These two countries have long had a diplomatic, security and trade agreements, although they were not official. And how is it a peace treaty when the two countries have long co-existed well together? They were not at odds, so a peace treaty is misleading in terminology. This treaty merely provides military, financial and diplomatic cover for countries that are repressing democracy, provided by the US. In the past, Arab Countries have refused to normalize relationships with Israel until it acknowledges Palestinian National rights. This agreement just increases US influence in the Middle est, rather than reducing the violence or easing any oppression in that region. Anyone impressed that Trump pulled off this 'deal of the century' has no clue as to the history or depth of Middle East relations. This is way beyond Jared, Donnie and Pompeo's skill level. Smells more like a side deal with Benny, so that the US can continue to vote to block any censure in the UN for Israel's atrocious actions against the Palestinian people, (as the US has done for almost 50 votes). THIS!!!!!! What DH and I find amusing is that UAE doesn't really have an army/military that fights. WTF are these war planes for....
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 19:53:24 GMT
What was signed today is NOT a Middle East Peace Deal by a long shot! It is a completely one-sided deal. Trump wants you to think this is a Peace Deal...nothing of the kind. This is DEFINITELY not looked at by Middle Eastern News Outlet as a Peace Deal either. Looks like good ol keriwest swallowed the bullcrap Fox puts out like a good sheeple does....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 19:59:44 GMT
Trump just brokered his 2nd Middle Eastern peace deal...I'm watching them sign it now. I just wasn't sure if your news outlets had shared that with you. This is a good thing, right? In a word NO more of a PR exercise for three leaders. LINK
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 15, 2020 20:00:25 GMT
This sums up and rings true about what he’s up to... This diplomatic offensive before the US elections is a good illustration of Trump's tendency to mix policymaking with campaigning and run a propaganda machine with a personality cult approach regardless of what negative consequences this might have at home or abroad. And such consequences are quite likely.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 15, 2020 20:08:50 GMT
I don't see that today's Israel-Bahrain 'Peace Treaty' is much of a plus. Bahrain has a history of human rights abuses, and suppressing the fight for a democracy and this 'treaty' enables them to continue their action with US sanctions, along with the ability to purchase massive weapons form the US. Israel is also gaining an ability to purchase more high tech weapons from the US. These two countries have long had a diplomatic, security and trade agreements, although they were not official. And how is it a peace treaty when the two countries have long co-existed well together? They were not at odds, so a peace treaty is misleading in terminology. This treaty merely provides military, financial and diplomatic cover for countries that are repressing democracy, provided by the US. In the past, Arab Countries have refused to normalize relationships with Israel until it acknowledges Palestinian National rights. This agreement just increases US influence in the Middle est, rather than reducing the violence or easing any oppression in that region. Anyone impressed that Trump pulled off this 'deal of the century' has no clue as to the history or depth of Middle East relations. This is way beyond Jared, Donnie and Pompeo's skill level. Smells more like a side deal with Benny, so that the US can continue to vote to block any censure in the UN for Israel's atrocious actions against the Palestinian people, (as the US has done for almost 50 votes). Thank you. Yes, these points were some of my doubts about it. And definitely, way complex above their pay grades, was the first thing that sprung to mind.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 15, 2020 20:20:29 GMT
dt can't give a speech with clarity even when using a teleprompter. Yo-Semite, revolutionary 'airports', and the list goes on!
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Post by MichyM on Sept 15, 2020 20:22:25 GMT
My comment deleted as it adds nothing to the conversation.
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Post by elaine on Sept 15, 2020 20:41:13 GMT
Question: Since when did using a teleprompter become a bad thing? Answer: When the right wing fanatic news sources looked for every little thing on which to criticize Obama. From wearing flip flops, to tan suits, to using teleprompters.
Which President loved using teleprompters and was great, like Obama, at using them in our lifetimes? Ronald Reagan.
Modern Presidential teleprompters have been in use since 1956. 1956. 1956. 64 years. All GOP presidents since then have used them, although W Bush preferred notecards because he looked like a deer-in-the-headlights when he tried to use them. In 1952, President Herbert Hoover (R) used an older version of a teleprompter at the GOP convention.
The only reason using a teleprompter became a point of contention/criticism is because the GOP powers-that-be tried hide their blatant racism through manufactured controversies like use of a teleprompter, birther drama, what color suit Obama wore, etc.
Those who criticize Biden for using a teleprompter look like uniformed idiots grasping at straws; like sheeple who parrot racist criticisms that started with the right’s reactions to Obama.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 15, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
Question: Since when did using a teleprompter become a bad thing? Answer: When the right wing fanatic news sources looked for every little thing on which to criticize Obama. From wearing flip flops, to tan suits, to using teleprompters. Which President loved using teleprompters and was great, like Obama, at using them in our lifetimes? Ronald Reagan. Modern Presidential teleprompters have been in use since 1956. 1956. 1956. 64 years. All GOP presidents since then have used them, although W Bush preferred notecards because he looked like a deer-in-the-headlights when he tried to use them. In 1952, President Herbert Hoover (R) used an older version of a teleprompter at the GOP convention. The only reason using a teleprompter became a point of contention/criticism is because the GOP powers-that-be tried hide their blatant racism through manufactured controversies like use of a teleprompter, birther drama, what color suit Obama wore, etc. Those who criticize Biden for using a teleprompter look like uniformed idiots grasping at straws; like sheeple who parrot racist criticisms that started with the right’s reactions to Obama. It's like trump supporters have never watch trump give a speech. I'm mean it's weird they think he's good at it. It's crazy. He can't give a good speech using a teleprompter or not using one.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 15, 2020 21:09:13 GMT
I’m going to allow myself one question per day.
[insert peppy “Question of the Day” jingle, female voices, SSA harmony]
Ahem. How does one answer questions using a teleprompter?
I am Tuesday perplexed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 21:58:41 GMT
I’m going to allow myself one question per day. [insert peppy “Question of the Day” jingle, female voices, SSA harmony]Ahem. How does one answer questions using a teleprompter? I am Tuesday perplexed. Because of what one of the reports said about not wanting to ask a question that she was given, the speculation is that the questions are scripted and the answers are on the teleprompter.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 15, 2020 22:03:22 GMT
Question: Since when did using a teleprompter become a bad thing? Answer: When the right wing fanatic news sources looked for every little thing on which to criticize Obama. From wearing flip flops, to tan suits, to using teleprompters. Which President loved using teleprompters and was great, like Obama, at using them in our lifetimes? Ronald Reagan. Modern Presidential teleprompters have been in use since 1956. 1956. 1956. 64 years. All GOP presidents since then have used them, although W Bush preferred notecards because he looked like a deer-in-the-headlights when he tried to use them. In 1952, President Herbert Hoover (R) used an older version of a teleprompter at the GOP convention. The only reason using a teleprompter became a point of contention/criticism is because the GOP powers-that-be tried hide their blatant racism through manufactured controversies like use of a teleprompter, birther drama, what color suit Obama wore, etc. Those who criticize Biden for using a teleprompter look like uniformed idiots grasping at straws; like sheeple who parrot racist criticisms that started with the right’s reactions to Obama. It's like trump supporters have never watch trump give a speech. I'm mean it's weird they think he's good at it. It's crazy. He can't give a good speech using a teleprompter or not using one. He doesn’t give a good interview either. It’s a king sized word salad no matter what he says or who he’s talking to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 22:12:38 GMT
It's like trump supporters have never watch trump give a speech. I'm mean it's weird they think he's good at it. It's crazy. He can't give a good speech using a teleprompter or not using one. He doesn’t give a good interview either. It’s a king sized word salad no matter what he says or who he’s talking to. You are missing the point that there is a difference between a scripted speech and scripted questions and answers.
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Post by elaine on Sept 15, 2020 22:17:25 GMT
He doesn’t give a good interview either. It’s a king sized word salad no matter what he says or who he’s talking to. You are missing the point that there is a difference between a scripted speech and scripted questions and answers. You mean like when an OAN reporter lobs Trump a pre-scripted question and he answers it vs. when other reporters ask him un-scripted questions and he insults the reporter (usually calling her/him something like “nasty”) and then storms off the stage when said reporter doesn’t back down?
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