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Post by Belia on Sept 14, 2020 1:24:40 GMT
I am genuinely curious why any person, especially women, should be on 45's side. I'm not attacking - I really am curious. He's admitted to his conversations with Russia. He's handed jobs to his whole family, instead of qualified people. He has nearly 200k people dead due to standing by and doing nothing about the pandemic. He has openly discussed sexually assaulting women (remember the whole "grab em by the pussy" thing?) and laughed about it. He's given praise to neo-Nazis, calling them "good people." He openly stated that he "could shoot someone on 5th Avenue" and still be supported. He has made attempts to silence the press and destroy our Postal Service. If there is anything a Trump supporter can tell me - with PROOF - that this is not the work of a fascist.... well, I'm all ears. I would like legitimate sources please, not Youtube links or conspiracy websites. I don't like Biden either (he's too moderate for me, and I'm tired of voting for the same old white men) but I feel I have no other choice, given our broken two party system. I'm open to being educated on why the other side should be supported, though. I don't even know why I am responding because there are going to be the usual bitchy comments that don't listen to what I (and other conservatives) are saying, but the simple answer is that for many conservatives the answer is that Trump is who we have to work with. He isn't the first choice of many conservatives but he is what we have got. So that's the basic answer. You can't expect someone who is conservative to simply vote Democrat because they don't personally like Trump. And they aren't going to not vote because that is also a vote in the other direction. It is a simple matter of conservative versus liberal values. Say whatever you want that Trump is awful, he isn't a true conservative, that he grabs pussy, whatever. But he is who our party selected for better or worse. The same could be said that they don't like Biden for whatever reason but will vote for him. If you ignore that basic fact you are bound to be in for a surprise in November. I won't even begin to discuss how all of the hate directed towards conservatives have made many of them determined not to vote for Trump but to cast a vote against you. Trump doesn't strike me as being very conservative. I just googled "What is a conservative" (haha) and according to Wikipedia (hahahahahahaha): "Conservatism in the United States is a political and social philosophy characterized by respect for American traditions, republicanism, limited government, support for Christian values, moral universalism, pro-business, opposition to trade unions, strong national defense, free trade, anti-communism, pro-individualism, advocacy of American exceptionalism, and a defense of Western culture from the perceived threats posed by communism, socialism, and moral relativism" It seems to be like he has NOT been conservative in at least the following areas: * He has increased the national debt. From a website called The Balance: "President Trump promised to eliminate the national debt in eight years. Instead, he plans to add $8.3 trillion. He believes that economic growth through tax cuts will pay for itself, though the evidence paints this as unlikely." Covid will probably shoot these numbers to hell. (For comparison, Obama and his policies increased the debt by $2.8 trillion over 8 years.) * He has not shrunk the size of the federal government (at least from an employment standpoint). From Politifact: "We consulted the Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit organization that focuses on challenges facing the federal workforce. The organization's CEO, Max Stier, told PolitiFact that the federal workforce has not gotten smaller in Trump's presidency, and in some areas has gotten larger. Data compiled by the group shows that from June 2017 to June 2019 (the latest month of data), the full-time government workforce actually grew by an average of about 5,200 employees." * Limited government- One thing I've never understood is that conservatives seem to want smaller government until it comes to what I do with the content of my uterus, whether I want to smoke weed in the comfort of my own home, or the legality of my gay friends' relationships. * I would say he does not exemplify Christian values AT ALL. He has 5 children by 3 different women, been divorced twice, has demonstrated pretty much all of the 7 deadly sins in public, doesn't attend religious services, has broken many of the 10 Commandments. None of these things would bother me in a private citizen, or even if he were a politician who was silent on his personal beliefs- it's none of my business. But his hypocricy in this area is astounding- he truly only talks the talk and does not walk the walk. * Strong national defense- I mean, he was impeached for being a threat to national security and based on his comments of a couple of weeks ago calling service members "losers" and "suckers" I would say he was not supportive of the military. But according to the Brookings Institution he increased funding to the military (at least for his first 2 years in office) so yay? * Free trade- The Council on Foreign Relations states that he has been a strong advocate for US interests in the area of international trade throughout his presidency, but it seems to me that if he is able to "put the finger on the scale" so to speak to move things in a MORE beneficial way to the US (like the tariff situation with China), that might not exactly be FREE trade. I grant you that this is not an area I know much about, but that's always been something that's stuck out to me. * Anti-Communism- Trump's refusal to say anything to or about Putin is so concerning to me. Areas of conservatism where he has been pretty consistent: American traditions (at least he talks a good game), republicanism, moral universalism (not sure what this means), pro-business (sure looks like it to me), opposition to trade unions, pro-individualism, advocacy of American exceptionalism, and a defense of Western culture from the perceived threats posed by communism, socialism, and moral relativism I will be honest- it seems like in the "boots on the ground," policy-type areas, Trump is not acting very conservatively at all. And those are the areas that are most important to me, because those are the areas & policies that seem to me to have the biggest ability to actually make people's lives better. Even the playing field between the rich & powerful and the ordinary citizen. In the "culture-war" type areas he is much more consistently conservative, but do those really matter as much? Do those things make a difference in real people's lives? So why vote for the "conservative" candidate if he's not very conservative at all? Especially when he comes with the baggage Trump does? And are the POLICIES supported by the other candidate that much different than the policies supported by your guy? |
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Post by pancakes on Sept 14, 2020 2:10:20 GMT
Ok, maybe not one of Biden’s best moments. But also not as disrespectful, taken in context of his entire quote. I didn't think so much that he was being disrespectful. I did think it was odd to be combative as he often is lately. But the point was that he would deny being tested after saying he had been. Biden did clarify that he had not taken the test. Earlier, he was referring to being constantly tested on the campaign trail. If he was referring to be tested by being on the campaign trail in the latter part of the statement, I think he was referring to an actual cognitive test in the first part of his statement. "I've been tested AND I'm tested all the time." I don't think you would separate the testing otherwise. the test that trump took had a rhino, lion and camel. So what if Biden misspoke and talked about an elephant instead? His point is still valid. It wasn't that he misspoke the animal (I'm not sure he did), it was that he was attributing a reporter's conversation with another reporter, to Trump. And politicians use TelePrompTers all the time. Not for supposed spontaneous questions, they don't. The lady who had a question for him called it out that she was supposed to go off the written question but just could not do it, because he needed to hear the truth. The lady that called in with a question he shouldn't have known ahead of time, he had to have them move the teleprompter up before he could answer her and it was painfully obvious that he was reading his answer. Still unclear how any of that is proof of Biden’s declining mental ability. I'm not sure it's proof, but it sure does look like that's the issue. When he speaks, it's not an issue of stuttering that is the problem, it's that he has lost the words. I've seen him do it a lot. So many times he just can't find the words. Regarding your last point, the loss of words — it’s actually a technique stutterers use a lot. Biden knows he’s going to stutter if he says the actual word. So he tries to go around it but still convey the point without using the word he’s having trouble with. It’s just a way to avoid stuttering. Because if people heard him stutter, they would be arguing about mental competency in other ways. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 14, 2020 2:54:59 GMT
I often think Trump has the vocabulary of a 12 year old. But I think that may have always been the case with him. Early this summer Biden was asked by a reporter if he's been tested and he said he "takes those tests all the time". About a month later he got pissed off when asked by another reporter what the results were and he said he hasn't taken any tests and jumps down his throat saying "are you a junkie" trying to make the point that it was ridiculous to think he would take a cognitive test. Then goes on to say something about Trump getting the elephant and the camel wrong on the test and that had nothing to do with Trump. That was some reporter's gaffe he was attributing to Trump. Biden has been caught being asked questions given to the audience on paper, so he's got the answers ready on teleprompter. He's also been caught answering supposedly unscripted call in questions with the aid of a teleprompter. Is this what you are talking about for reading prepared answers? If so, it’s fake news. He didn’t do that. apnews.com/afs:Content:9084540270And yes, this from The Daily Beast, but it includes a tweet by a FOX News reporter defending Biden and stating there was nothing unusual about his press conference in spite of what other FOX reporters were saying. www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-hosts-push-trumps-bogus-claim-that-biden-pre-screened-questions |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 14, 2020 3:00:25 GMT
Regarding your last point, the loss of words — it’s actually a technique stutterers use a lot. Biden knows he’s going to stutter if he says the actual word. So he tries to go around it but still convey the point without using the word he’s having trouble with. It’s just a way to avoid stuttering. Because if people heard him stutter, they would be arguing about mental competency in other ways. This goes beyond a stutter technique. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Sept 14, 2020 3:02:18 GMT
Are we on page 4 and still waiting for good things Trump has actually accomplished?
The OP style reads familiar to me and if I’m right, I can actually guess which “recent events” shifted her allegiance. Being called out for racial insensitivity is never fun. Of course it’s just as likely to be an anonymous Russian bot preying on our naïveté as as it is to be actual refupea so who really knows.
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Post by keriwest on Sept 14, 2020 3:25:15 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. I'm also not interested in debates as we all know, at least on this board, who we're voting for. There are so many reasons I'll be casting my republican vote, but one is that we are in the oil business and this industry doesn't need a government that intends to shut it down. Enough said.
And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. I'm a hard-working wife, mother, and grandmother...probably like a lot of you...who just happens to think differently than you do. I do feel that, as often as you are rolling your eyes at us, we're rolling ours at you too. Just a difference in opinion.
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Post by Olan on Sept 14, 2020 3:30:50 GMT
Is it really one of many of just the oil thing? Cash and gas eh? Individualism is killing American society.
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Post by pancakes on Sept 14, 2020 3:30:53 GMT
Regarding your last point, the loss of words — it’s actually a technique stutterers use a lot. Biden knows he’s going to stutter if he says the actual word. So he tries to go around it but still convey the point without using the word he’s having trouble with. It’s just a way to avoid stuttering. Because if people heard him stutter, they would be arguing about mental competency in other ways. This goes beyond a stutter technique. That’s not a stutter technique example. Nor does it indicate mental incompetency. Whether it was poor speech writing or a gaff or forgetting the Declaration of Independence, here, he thought on his feet quickly to move to another subject. The quickness with which he did that actually makes me think it was a poorly written speech that was meant to evoke feelings from the Declaration but make him seem more like an every man’s man with some levity. |
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Post by keriwest on Sept 14, 2020 3:39:03 GMT
There are many reasons Olan. And I will not apologize for wanting to remain in business to feed my family and pay my bills. And we aren't the only family in the oil industry. It's demise would affect millions of people, so not individualism.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 14, 2020 4:11:12 GMT
I am genuinely curious why any person, especially women, should be on 45's side. I'm not attacking - I really am curious. He's admitted to his conversations with Russia. He's handed jobs to his whole family, instead of qualified people. He has nearly 200k people dead due to standing by and doing nothing about the pandemic. He has openly discussed sexually assaulting women (remember the whole "grab em by the pussy" thing?) and laughed about it. He's given praise to neo-Nazis, calling them "good people." He openly stated that he "could shoot someone on 5th Avenue" and still be supported. He has made attempts to silence the press and destroy our Postal Service. If there is anything a Trump supporter can tell me - with PROOF - that this is not the work of a fascist.... well, I'm all ears. I would like legitimate sources please, not Youtube links or conspiracy websites. I don't like Biden either (he's too moderate for me, and I'm tired of voting for the same old white men) but I feel I have no other choice, given our broken two party system. I'm open to being educated on why the other side should be supported, though. I don't even know why I am responding because there are going to be the usual bitchy comments that don't listen to what I (and other conservatives) are saying, but the simple answer is that for many conservatives the answer is that Trump is who we have to work with. He isn't the first choice of many conservatives but he is what we have got. So that's the basic answer. You can't expect someone who is conservative to simply vote Democrat because they don't personally like Trump. And they aren't going to not vote because that is also a vote in the other direction. It is a simple matter of conservative versus liberal values. Say whatever you want that Trump is awful, he isn't a true conservative, that he grabs pussy, whatever. But he is who our party selected for better or worse. The same could be said that they don't like Biden for whatever reason but will vote for him. If you ignore that basic fact you are bound to be in for a surprise in November. I won't even begin to discuss how all of the hate directed towards conservatives have made many of them determined not to vote for Trump but to cast a vote against you. But don't you want to save your party? I think that a vote for Trump would only steer the party even further away than they are now. If you have to throw a vote to Biden to get the country and your party back on track isn't it worth it? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 4:29:19 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. I'm also not interested in debates as we all know, at least on this board, who we're voting for. There are so many reasons I'll be casting my republican vote, but one is that we are in the oil business and this industry doesn't need a government that intends to shut it down. Enough said. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. I'm a hard-working wife, mother, and grandmother...probably like a lot of you...who just happens to think differently than you do. I do feel that, as often as you are rolling your eyes at us, we're rolling ours at you too. Just a difference in opinion. "My family's need to cling to the oil industry (in spite of even the oil majors knowing the beginning of the demise of oil is upon us) is more important than the world burning and people being ruled by dictators and autocrats". Got it. Trump can't save oil. The economics of battery storage are coming, the economics of wind and solar are already here and they'll kill oil for gasoline and electricity generation. Fleets are electrifying and we're only at the beginning of that pace. China, France, India are banning ICE vehicles. "China, the world's largest car market, is working on a plan to ban the production and sale of vehicles powered only by fossil fuels. It has plenty of company: India, France, Britain and Norway want to ditch gas and diesel cars in favor of cleaner vehicles." money.cnn.com/2017/09/11/autos/countries-banning-diesel-gas-cars/index.htmlOil will stick around for plastics and jet fuel. Oil majors are already diversifying heavily into renewables esp. BP and Exxon. "BP BP.L is preparing to sell a large chunk of its oil and gas assets even if crude prices bounce back from the COVID-19 crash because it wants to invest more in renewable energy, three sources familiar with BP's thinking said." www.reuters.com/article/us-bp-assets-transition-exclusive/exclusive-bp-poised-to-sell-stranded-assets-even-if-oil-prices-rally-idUSKCN2530GYfingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/editorcharts/xegpbmkrxvq/index.html"“Historic moment” as BP writes-off billions of reserves as stranded assets" priceofoil.org/2020/06/16/historic-moment-as-bp-writes-off-billions-of-reserves-as-stranded-assets/ |
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Post by artgirl1 on Sept 14, 2020 9:02:56 GMT
"My family's need to cling to the oil industry (in spite of even the oil majors knowing the beginning of the demise of oil is upon us) is more important than the world burning and people being ruled by dictators and autocrats". Got it. edited to clarify posters comment according to keriwest: "i got my personal interest covered, so to hell with everything else" Don't worry about the national debt, the number of people who died from Covid, babies in cages, rampant white supremacy, shootings in schools, bounties on military members, side deals with dictators, violations of the emolument clause, taking away health insurance, cutting all support programs, the list is endless. As long as your own bubble is protected. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 14, 2020 9:30:31 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. I'm also not interested in debates as we all know, at least on this board, who we're voting for. There are so many reasons I'll be casting my republican vote, but one is that we are in the oil business and this industry doesn't need a government that intends to shut it down. Enough said. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. I'm a hard-working wife, mother, and grandmother...probably like a lot of you...who just happens to think differently than you do. I do feel that, as often as you are rolling your eyes at us, we're rolling ours at you too. Just a difference in opinion. Sorry but NO, it’s NOT a difference of opinion. A difference of opinion is : I think coffee is the best thing ever, and you disagree. I think flowers are a beautiful and should be in homes everyday , and you think they’re a waste. Or I think everyone should have a dog, and you think everyone should have a cat. And just like Democrats will be supporting Democrat policies, trump voters cannot pretend that they are not supporting the things Trump and the Republican Party have come to stand for —a vote for trump IS elevating racists, it IS a vote for white supremacy, it IS a vote to erase LBGTQ, a vote for trump IS a vote to suppress voting, it IS a vote to take away women’s rights, it IS a vote to take away our healthcare, our SS (as if September 1st they’re already testing the waters on this), a vote for trump is a vote for authoritarian government control (he’s already eroding government functions and the Constitution)...and the list is even longer. If you cast a vote for trump, YOU ARE voting in his racist policies, his xenophobic policies, his misogynistic views on women (we are property). So that says quite a bit about where one stands. You cannot pick and choose issues once you cast your vote—it’s your all in I support everything this candidate stands for regardless of individual personal views. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 9:41:44 GMT
Biden did clarify that he had not taken the test. Earlier, he was referring to being constantly tested on the campaign trail. If he was referring to be tested by being on the campaign trail in the latter part of the statement, I think he was referring to an actual cognitive test in the first part of his statement. "I've been tested AND I'm tested all the time." I don't think you would separate the testing otherwise. Still unclear how any of that is proof of Biden’s declining mental ability. I'm not sure it's proof, but it sure does look like that's the issue. When he speaks, it's not an issue of stuttering that is the problem, it's that he has lost the words. I've seen him do it a lot. So many times he just can't find the words. IMO you've taken that a different way to what a lot of others would take. Short of asking what kind of test, he answered in a way that a big part of his life has been tested - coping with a stutter, the loss of his first wife, the loss of his son, one could go on - doesn't that "test" anyone to the extreme of what some people have to put up with and cope with during their life. And he's still being "tested" every day throughout this campaign on how he reacts to all these ridiculous accusations he has to put up with - wouldn't that "test" anyone's patience and endurance. On the second part I've bolded - have you met or personally know anyone that has a stutter. If you have, then you would know that they hesitate very often over words - words that are going through their minds but they know that if they use those words they are trigger words for their stutter so they then have to think very quickly what other words they can replace those trigger words, resulting in a short pause in their sentences. People who stutter also generally speak slower and deliberately , especially when they speak in public as it lowers the stress level of trying to control the stutter and find the non trigger words to get their message across. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 14, 2020 10:03:11 GMT
Regarding your last point, the loss of words — it’s actually a technique stutterers use a lot. Biden knows he’s going to stutter if he says the actual word. So he tries to go around it but still convey the point without using the word he’s having trouble with. It’s just a way to avoid stuttering. Because if people heard him stutter, they would be arguing about mental competency in other ways. This goes beyond a stutter technique. You have got to be kidding me. I have watched Biden for years; he has never been a great speaker. What is really amusing is the absolute crust of a Trump supporter criticizing ANYONE’S speaking style. Have you listened to Trump and his word salad? Unless he’s insulting someone or mocking someone, his speech is either a monotone or a jumbled heap of words. I am shocked that it doesn’t bother everyone that he out and out lied to the American people about Covid. He lied and downplayed the severity of this virus, and because he lied, the death toll is higher than it needed to be. SMDH. What does it take for people to realize that Trump is self-absorbed, vindictive, petty man who doesn’t even bother to read intelligence briefings and thinks nothing of lying to the American people? When the history of this time is written, he will be at the bottom of the list of “worst Presidents.” |
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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 10:36:37 GMT
It does no one in Texas any good to bury their heads in the sand about the inevitable decline of the oil industry. Propping up industries that won’t continue to serve us well in the future - like coal, for example - is foolish.
Democrats want to invest heavily in alternative energy and incentivize energy companies in making that change so they can continue to be profitable on their own. Republicans want to prop up a dying industry and subsidize it with our tax dollars. Which one of those sounds more like socialism?
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 14, 2020 10:39:32 GMT
So in other words, you’re happy to watch your country go down the toilet rather than vote D in the hope that the Rs put up someone better next time. I'm sorry you can't understand. I first want to say that I do not consider myself a “pitchfork pea” . I consider myself an independent, you would probably consider me a liberal.😉 I don’t believe I have ever bullied or berated any pea when responding to a political post. I also try to at least listen to all sides. I have family and friends of all political persuasions and I either agree to disagree or we just do not discuss. But I can’t think of anyone I have written off purely because of who they support. I may not understand it but... Also, anyone who is a long time pea and/or one that has read political posts should know what type of responses particular peas are going to give...it is not hard to guess. And there are a handful of those that are pretty consistent (some might call passionate...hahaha) with their language/response. So feel free to call those out or pass on by but don’t disregard or label everyone’s post because of those few. The true Republicans that I know have never picked party over country, my father being one of them. It may be the reason that I don’t understand that concept? My role models were quick to not support people they felt were a detriment to our overall country just because they had a R or a D next to their name. I have voted for my Republican state Governor last election and will do so again...over the democrat (sorry I can’t do that strike over maneuver) Democratic candidate (Thanks for the reminder AmeliaBloomer. 😄😉)because I felt he was, and is, the better candidate. My state is considered blue, but we elected a Republican Governor. And our Republican Governor has been very critical of Trump...does that make him NOT a Republican in your eyes? He was/is getting push back from the Trump supporters but stays true to enacting policies that he feels benefit the people of our state and has said numerous times that if he loses the next election because of that he is okay with that. Do I agree with everything he has done or supports...not by a long shot. But I do believe he feels he is doing what is the best for our state at that particular time and with what information is known. IMO this is not true with Trump. So anyway this long winded post is basically to say I am sorry that I don’t understand and I probably never will understand, but I continue to read your posts and others who do not agree with me and try to think about what is being said realistically and logically. And there are many Republicans that also do not understand the party over country concept and do the same. It can be done. |
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Post by katybee on Sept 14, 2020 11:38:11 GMT
But Trump has the best words? aka "I know words. I have the best words." Lets remember a few of the greatest hits: Covfete Yosemite Tanzayna Beyoncey Diversary Uluscious Anomous Infantroopen Nambia And lets not forget the number of times he misnamed people he was in conference with: Chad became Charles, he call Benjamin Netanyahu 'Benyatu, and of course, there was Tim Apple following a meeting. And of course, bigly and yuge. How on earth did you forget to include Thigh-land? 😂 Or hamberder. It’s what my family now calls meat patties on a bun. |
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Post by keriwest on Sept 14, 2020 12:42:53 GMT
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 14, 2020 13:12:55 GMT
I am genuinely curious why any person, especially women, should be on 45's side. I'm not attacking - I really am curious. He's admitted to his conversations with Russia. He's handed jobs to his whole family, instead of qualified people. He has nearly 200k people dead due to standing by and doing nothing about the pandemic. He has openly discussed sexually assaulting women (remember the whole "grab em by the pussy" thing?) and laughed about it. He's given praise to neo-Nazis, calling them "good people." He openly stated that he "could shoot someone on 5th Avenue" and still be supported. He has made attempts to silence the press and destroy our Postal Service. If there is anything a Trump supporter can tell me - with PROOF - that this is not the work of a fascist.... well, I'm all ears. I would like legitimate sources please, not Youtube links or conspiracy websites. I don't like Biden either (he's too moderate for me, and I'm tired of voting for the same old white men) but I feel I have no other choice, given our broken two party system. I'm open to being educated on why the other side should be supported, though. I don't even know why I am responding because there are going to be the usual bitchy comments that don't listen to what I (and other conservatives) are saying, but the simple answer is that for many conservatives the answer is that Trump is who we have to work with. He isn't the first choice of many conservatives but he is what we have got. So that's the basic answer. You can't expect someone who is conservative to simply vote Democrat because they don't personally like Trump. And they aren't going to not vote because that is also a vote in the other direction. It is a simple matter of conservative versus liberal values. Say whatever you want that Trump is awful, he isn't a true conservative, that he grabs pussy, whatever. But he is who our party selected for better or worse. The same could be said that they don't like Biden for whatever reason but will vote for him. If you ignore that basic fact you are bound to be in for a surprise in November. I won't even begin to discuss how all of the hate directed towards conservatives have made many of them determined not to vote for Trump but to cast a vote against you. I appreciate this honest response. I don't want to vote for Biden. But I am. I can say a lot of good things about Biden's policies, though I don't like him. I would like to hear some conservatives talk about Trump's agenda and what they support in it. I believe Biden will work to equal status under the law for all people, including women, BIOPIC. His health care plan does not go far enough but it moves the needle towards access for everyone. I like his plan for higher ed, particularly strengthening community colleges, HBCU's and HSI. His tax policies, while too focused on the middle class will not harm those living at or near the poverty line. I would love to see someone who doesn't love Trump but supports him be able to talk about both, what they like and don't like. I feel like all I see is Trump worshipping, and I don't care what party that is problematic. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 13:18:01 GMT
Regarding your last point, the loss of words — it’s actually a technique stutterers use a lot. Biden knows he’s going to stutter if he says the actual word. So he tries to go around it but still convey the point without using the word he’s having trouble with. It’s just a way to avoid stuttering. Because if people heard him stutter, they would be arguing about mental competency in other ways. This goes beyond a stutter technique. Listen to it w/o the subtitles to hear how really horrible his slurring has gotten. |
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Post by Olan on Sept 14, 2020 13:28:52 GMT
There are many reasons Olan. And I will not apologize for wanting to remain in business to feed my family and pay my bills. And we aren't the only family in the oil industry. It's demise would affect millions of people, so not individualism. Millions of people worried about self is still individualism. Just a more dangerous form. It’s the same reason y’all are allergic to masks over there too! No one is asking you to apologize for wanting to feed your family. A lot of people aren’t feeding their Families right now. I bet you could learn a thing or two about resiliency and how to pivot from them. You know the same ones Republicans want to keep out of America? Your myopic view of wealth and everything else under the sun is why the world is on fire. |
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 14, 2020 13:35:15 GMT
How on earth did you forget to include Thigh-land? 😂 Or hamberder. It’s what my family now calls meat patties on a bun. Lol! I did forget that one myself! 😂😂😂 |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Sept 14, 2020 13:51:40 GMT
There are many reasons Olan. And I will not apologize for wanting to remain in business to feed my family and pay my bills. And we aren't the only family in the oil industry. It's demise would affect millions of people, so not individualism. Millions of people worried about self is still individualism. Just a more dangerous form. It’s the same reason y’all are allergic to masks over there too! No one is asking you to apologize for wanting to feed your family. A lot of people aren’t feeding their Families right now. I bet you could learn a thing or two about resiliency and how to pivot from them. You know the same ones Republicans want to keep out of America? Your myopic view of wealth and everything else under the sun is why the world is on fire. Personal needs (Individualism) vs. Collective Needs is the single main difference between conservatives and liberals in my opinion. Once you understand a person's need to self protect is the most important thing, no use arguing with them. I understand the wealthy wanting to protect their wealth. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. I do not understand how the Trump base will vote against their own best interest time and time again. To me Trump, and a certain portion of his supporters, his wealthy base. Those who believe in protecting the status quo, the growing gap between the wealthy class and the middle class, between the middle and working class, and the decline of growth of the middle class and working class. That group of people are the greatest threat to democracy and to the "american dream". They are willing to protect their wealth at all cost, even to vote for and support a candidate like Trump. All done under the guise, of "individualism" |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 14, 2020 13:59:00 GMT
I don’t buy that you were a “very strong” Democrat. Who talks like that? Someone pretending to be a former democrat, that’s who. if you want us to believe that you were a very strong democrat, tell us who you really are. Until then, you’re just a troll. Two Observations: 1. Speaking of “recent events,” methinks this thread is a case study in setting up a pretend dialogue among alters. I could be wrong; regardless, it’s absolutely fascinating to watch the thread progress in that context. I’ve run out of the popcorns. [Because otherwise, yes, you’re right: there would be no reason to change Pea name or to not even reference a former name simply because of a change in preferred presidential candidate - let alone abandon a strong belief in the Democratic platform in favor of this (famously inarticulate and recent-news-failing) president - so it’s just a garden variety troll and I’m barking up a wrong-yet-familiar tree.] 2. (And this is directed at Page One): DEMOCRATIC. Democratic Party. Democratic candidates. Vote Democratic. Not Democrat. Not Publican. Unless we’re now the “United States of” and our sitting president is “Donald Rump.” Off to search for more crunchy snacks. |
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 14, 2020 14:05:40 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. I'm also not interested in debates as we all know, at least on this board, who we're voting for. There are so many reasons I'll be casting my republican vote, but one is that we are in the oil business and this industry doesn't need a government that intends to shut it down. Enough said. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. I'm a hard-working wife, mother, and grandmother...probably like a lot of you...who just happens to think differently than you do. I do feel that, as often as you are rolling your eyes at us, we're rolling ours at you too. Just a difference in opinion. Ok, fine. You might not be one yourself. But you are willing to vote for a man (and members of his administration) who clearly are. Who think that white nationalists are “very fine people”. How is that any better? 😞 I get voting to completely protect self-interest - I don’t necessarily respect it, but I do understand it. But you’ve framed it as protecting more than just yourself, which knowing the oil industry fairly well (being from an oil state myself), is probably true. Whether an already dying industry should be protected, is another issue altogether. But what about the damage his policies are doing (and will do in the next four years) to already marginalized people who already have it tough, don’t they matter too? |
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 14, 2020 14:11:21 GMT
I don’t buy that you were a “very strong” Democrat. Who talks like that? Someone pretending to be a former democrat, that’s who. if you want us to believe that you were a very strong democrat, tell us who you really are. Until then, you’re just a troll. Two Observations: 1. Speaking of “recent events,” methinks this thread is a case study in setting up a pretend dialogue among alters. I could be wrong; regardless, it’s absolutely fascinating to watch the thread progress in that context. I’ve run out of the popcorns. [Because otherwise, yes, you’re right: there would be no reason to change Pea name or to not even reference a former name simply because of a change in preferred presidential candidate - let alone abandon a strong belief in the Democratic platform in favor of this (famously inarticulate and recent-news-failing) president - so it’s just a garden variety troll and I’m barking up a wrong-yet-familiar tree.] 2. (And this is directed at Page One): DEMOCRATIC. Democratic Party. Democratic candidates. Vote Democratic. Not Democrat. Not Publican. Unless we’re now the “United States of” and our sitting president is “Donald Rump.” Off to search for more crunchy snacks. Spot on. I concluded it was intended as trollbait fairly quickly, unfortunately. However, I did respond against my better judgement, but c’est la vie. 😂 |
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Post by pinklady on Sept 14, 2020 14:33:05 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. Why yes, yes you are. You cannot support the current Republican Party and not be these things. In addition you are a selfish POS who doesn’t give a shit about the planet or care if there is anything left for future generations. What a great mother and grandmother.  |
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 14, 2020 15:01:30 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. Why yes, yes you are. You cannot support the current Republican Party and not be these things. In addition you are a selfish POS who doesn’t give a shit about the planet or care if there is anything left for future generations. What a great mother and grandmother. If you change your second sentence to say “you cannot support the current President and not be these things.” Then I would 100 agree with you. The myopic view of voting to support the oil industry while the west coast is burning to the ground makes me sick. I am out of a job right now due to the pandemic, I know a lot of people out of jobs due to the pandemic, and you know what when my unemployment becomes unsustainable for my family I will find a different job in a different industry, because sometimes you have to do that for the greater or personal good. I can’t imagine fighting to have my pre-K open at the risk of others because I need to work. I can’t get believe anyone would think supporting Trump is the thing to do because their family works in the oil industry and I foolishly believe a vote for Trump would protect their jobs. First off, Trump can’t save the oil industry, second of all he shouldn’t be trying. As others have stated alternatives need to be the focus now. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 15:11:36 GMT
I'm supporting Trump and can't even imagine aligning myself with the democrat party. And I'm not a white supremacist, or a racist, or a vile human being. Why yes, yes you are. You cannot support the current Republican Party and not be these things. In addition you are a selfish POS who doesn’t give a shit about the planet or care if there is anything left for future generations. What a great mother and grandmother. Whoa! Is it REALLY necessary to call her a POS? Saying that she isn't a good mother or grandmother...that is a bridge too far for me. I am 100% anti-Trump and have NO problems with the insults that are hurled at him as I believe he has earned them. I don't disagree with your comment about not caring for the planet. I just feel like the other comments crossed the line and felt the need to comment. |
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