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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 14, 2020 14:44:52 GMT
I'm pro choice but not pro abortion. I want women to have safe and legal choices. I don't want those clauses thrown in. Just leave it at "abortion is legal and is a medical decision that is made between a woman and her doctor." No but this or if that. What I really want to see are programs that are federally and state funded that are aimed at lowering abortions. It's been proven time and time again that when you start with protection, education, and birth control, the number of unwanted pregnancies go down. Those programs need more funding and support. We need to stop being so anti birth control and make it affordable. Want less people on assistance? Then give the working poor access to free or very cheap birth control. Unfortunately the far right and religious idiots don't or won't see that. They simply don't want to pay for any social programs that will have a positive effect on our society. It's very "I have mine, fuck the rest of you."  I also think that when the working poor have fewer choices (in general) it’s much easier for their bosses to control them. When you have no options, you do what you’re told because you can’t afford to lose your job. When you (general you) have more autonomy over your life and your situation, you are better able to do what is in your own best interest, and the powers that be don’t seem to like that. So anything they can do to keep the working poor (and women in general) down, the better it is for their bottom line because they have all the power in that relationship. They don’t seem to get it that happy, healthy workers are more loyal and more productive. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 14, 2020 14:45:02 GMT
Unfortunately the far right and religious idiots don't or won't see that. They simply don't want to pay for any social programs that will have a positive effect on our society. It's very "I have mine, fuck the rest of you." Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 14, 2020 14:53:34 GMT
Unfortunately the far right and religious idiots don't or won't see that. They simply don't want to pay for any social programs that will have a positive effect on our society. It's very "I have mine, fuck the rest of you." Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. Then it is their time to pay full taxes and only get back what they put into the federal government... I do not have the full list here right now, but New Jersey only gets back like $.78 on every dollar sent to the fed... there are states, mainly toward the south that get back up to $2.!? for every dollar they put in.... let us fix that!! Why should I pay for their daily services when they don't want to help for emergencies etc!.?.? I will try to fins the chart when I get back from PT later! |
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Post by muggins on Sept 14, 2020 14:53:50 GMT
I had an abortion when I was a 20 year old university student in the U.K. My boyfriend and I weren’t financially or mentally ready for parenthood. We also did not want to give up our studies or place the burden of childcare on our parents. I simply did not want it. However the decision was mine, and remains one of the best I have ever made about my body, my life, my family, and my future. The procedure was fine. No trauma, no pain, no regret, nothing but relief and gratitude that I lived in a country that respects a woman’s right to choose. Unfortunately the stigma of abortion and label of ‘baby murderer’ by religious zealots stopped me from sharing my very positive experience with others. That is my only regret. That I didn’t help others navigate the process. I’ll be 52 this week with 2 kids that were planned and very much loved. I simply cannot imagine being forced to have a child I did not want. Most anti-abortionists/pro birthers are religious, mostly republican, and look down on single women who couldn’t keep their legs closed and are ‘looking for handouts’. Once the child is born they generally vote against any of their precious tax dollars going towards any programs to help these children. ETA - you cannot be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposing views. If you believe a pregnant person should have the choice to terminate a pregnancy, you are pro-choice. If not, you are pro-life. I appreciate you sharing your story. The pro-choice movement needs to help remove the stigma. That said, I will never call the forced birth faction, pro-life. There is nothing pro-life about their movement at all. They are in fact trying to force women to give birth. We need to label them what they are! I agree with you. My last statement was in response to posters who said they were both pro life and pro choice. They are two opposing movements. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 14, 2020 14:56:51 GMT
Unfortunately the far right and religious idiots don't or won't see that. They simply don't want to pay for any social programs that will have a positive effect on our society. It's very "I have mine, fuck the rest of you." Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. The thing is, at some point or another pretty much everyone ends up benefitting from some of these programs in their lifetime, or someone in your family has. Whether it’s Social Security for the elderly or disabled, Medicare/Medicaid, free or reduced school lunches, or the many billions of dollars the government hands out in corporate welfare, everyone across the spectrum ends up getting some kind of entitlement. The thing is, many people refuse to see that the benefits *they are personally enjoying* are also entitlements that are paid for with the taxes we have all been paying in. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 14, 2020 15:06:19 GMT
These discussions always fascinate me because of the US semantics. There is no translation for pro-choice or pro-life in French and quite a few other languages. There is being in favour of the possibility to have an abortion (which is mostly referred to as IVG in France: interruption volontaire de grossesse, voluntary interruption of pregnancy - the focus being on not having to let a woman carry a pregnancy to term rather than the "life" element of the unborn) or not being in favour of that legal possibility. The terms were coined to be polarising by the American anti-abortion movement and almost 5 decades on, they're still used and the debate is still as sterile (pardon the unintented pun) as it was then.
I refuse to enter the discussion on these terms. I'm absolutely in favour of legal voluntary pregnancy interruption. I've had one at age 19 without surgery but using the medical abortion procedure with the pill. It was not dramatic, traumatic or life-changing (whereas having a child would've been for me). I sat reading a novel at the local Planned Parenthood in a comfy room with cosy lighting, coffee, tea and a tin of buttery biscuits. I was left alone but had someone at reception just a few steps away. Every time I went to the bathroom, the person in charge would come check to see if the fertilised egg had passed (not easy to spot in all the tissue that the womb immediately starts building up upon fertilisation). It was quiet in the most hygge-way possible with a November storm raging outside. I felt safe, taken care of but also given the space to live through this on my own without my hand being held. The caseworker had very accurately noted my independent nature on my file and the people from Planned Parenthood respected not only my body, my desires for the present and the future but also my mind and personality that day.
It was a good day. Looking back, it was a happy day because I know now that my instincts were right: I didn't want to go through pregnancy and have a child. I went right back to uni the next day. There was no pain just some heavier menstruation-like bleeding. I campaigned for sex ed and distributed many a condom (male and female) + lube on campus during the entirity of my uni life.
I highly recommend extra sex education and establishing a relationship with Planned Parenthood for teenagers becoming/thinking of becoming active (I used to get the pill through them as a teen). Being super aware of my body and knowing immediately where to turn to is what allowed me to catch the pregnancy very early on and well within the timeframe for the use of the abortion pill which is non-invasive, easy and very cost-effective. Your body just expulses the nest as it breaks down along with the fertilised egg.
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Post by scorpeao on Sept 14, 2020 15:09:45 GMT
Probably not a good one, but my response to pro-life people is that I think people, men and women, should be sterilized after giving birth to four children. I see no need to have beyond four kids. It should be a law. What's that you say? The government shouldn't be telling you how many kids you can crap out? Well, that's how I feel about being told I HAVE to give birth. In the first 12 weeks a fetus is nothing more than a parasite. I also have no issue with abortions beyond 12 weeks for medical reasons.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 14, 2020 15:10:56 GMT
Unfortunately the far right and religious idiots don't or won't see that. They simply don't want to pay for any social programs that will have a positive effect on our society. It's very "I have mine, fuck the rest of you." Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. People really need better educated on what their taxes actually go towards and fund. I hear so much talk about how “they” pay taxes and people who don’t work get to collect unemployment that they’ve paid...but the reality is that employees don’t pay taxes for unemployment—it doesn’t come from the (employee) taxpayers! Every time our city posts something about a park upgrade or social program you’ll see a bunch of ignorant loud mouths screaming about “their taxes going to pay for this...” even when the mention is that a grant or private funding paid for the upgrade or program. I had a question about something going on in our city that was posted that would affect us if true, I emailed our council person who sent me the factual information and found out that what was being posted by these “angry taxpayers” was not even close to true—-people are just too damn lazy to check into something themselves—it literally took less than a few hours to get an accurate answer. I see/hear a lot of these types of people who complain about “their taxes” —angry, disgruntled—and they are almost always incorrect on their assumption of what their taxes really pay for. They’ll be the ones who believe this administration got the raises if their employer opted in for the pause on social security being withheld, Sept-Dec 2020 and also be totally gobsmacked, pissed and surprised when they have to pay it all back the first quarter of 2021. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 14, 2020 15:13:07 GMT
The thing is, at some point or another pretty much everyone ends up benefitting from some of these programs in their lifetime, or someone in your family has. Whether it’s Social Security for the elderly or disabled, Medicare/Medicaid, free or reduced school lunches, or the many billions of dollars the government hands out in corporate welfare, everyone across the spectrum ends up getting some kind of entitlement. The thing is, many people refuse to see that the benefits *they are personally enjoying* are also entitlements that are paid for with the taxes we have all been paying in. That is a good point. I think they look more at programs that benefit people who don't work, and don't pay in taxes. Vs they see their Medicare being their OWN money, that will come back to them in some way. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 14, 2020 15:18:01 GMT
My last statement was in response to posters who said they were both pro life and pro choice. They are two opposing movements. I think only thinking of them in terms of political terms makes them opposing movements. For example, I can allow that the Catholic church only recognizes the marriages they perform while the law recognizes the right of any two people to marry. What is legal and what is moral can be two entirely different things and I think that this debate illustrates perfectly why they should be. It is not my right to attempt to control through laws the ability to have an abortion or not. It is fully within my rights to influence the morality of such a choice by appealing to women who may be morally opposed but find themselves in poor circumstances for raising a child. I am within my own heart able to see the wrongness of the choice to abort and within my right to try to influence others to believe that choice is wrong, while not impeding someone's legal right to make a decision about their own body. And before we get to the judging argument, I fully believe that it's not my place to judge. I can advocate for what I think is right. I can stand here in an argument and think that abortion is absolutely the worst decision ever and hold to my beliefs. But what choice another makes is between them and God. And some don't even believe in God so that element is not there for them. Which I can respect too. So in essence if we are breaking down a movement into what we feel should be law, yes, it's one or the other. But when we are talking about a philosophy, I think there's room on both sides of the argument. Legal = moral. ETA: That should have been Legal does not equal moral. But it seems I can't type right this morning. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 14, 2020 15:31:33 GMT
The thing is, at some point or another pretty much everyone ends up benefitting from some of these programs in their lifetime, or someone in your family has. Whether it’s Social Security for the elderly or disabled, Medicare/Medicaid, free or reduced school lunches, or the many billions of dollars the government hands out in corporate welfare, everyone across the spectrum ends up getting some kind of entitlement. The thing is, many people refuse to see that the benefits *they are personally enjoying* are also entitlements that are paid for with the taxes we have all been paying in. That is a good point. I think they look more at programs that benefit people who don't work, and don't pay in taxes. Vs they see their Medicare being their OWN money, that will come back to them in some way. But let’s then break that down realistically. My mom and dad both worked, both paid in who knows how much. My dad passed away when he was 56 making my mom a 50 yo widow with three kids still at home. She collected on his survivor benefits for herself from the time she was 50 until she passed away at (almost) 84. She collected on our behalf until each of us turned 18. My older brother was 14, I was 10 and my younger brother was 8 when our dad died. If you added up all of the benefits she collected over THIRTY FOUR years, for herself and the three of us still at home, I’m sure it would add up to much, much more than what they collectively paid in. And if you add in the Medicare benefits she also used from the time she was 65-84, it would absolutely be more. I come from a typical family where my dad worked from the time he was about 8th grade until he died, my mom also worked at paid jobs (or was self employed) for most of her adult life. My point is they were not slackers by any stretch, but my family has absolutely benefitted from these programs far more than they paid in. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 14, 2020 15:31:36 GMT
I had an abortion when I was a 20 year old university student in the U.K. My boyfriend and I weren’t financially or mentally ready for parenthood. We also did not want to give up our studies or place the burden of childcare on our parents. I simply did not want it. However the decision was mine, and remains one of the best I have ever made about my body, my life, my family, and my future. The procedure was fine. No trauma, no pain, no regret, nothing but relief and gratitude that I lived in a country that respects a woman’s right to choose. Unfortunately the stigma of abortion and label of ‘baby murderer’ by religious zealots stopped me from sharing my very positive experience with others. That is my only regret. That I didn’t help others navigate the process. I’ll be 52 this week with 2 kids that were planned and very much loved. I simply cannot imagine being forced to have a child I did not want. Most anti-abortionists/pro birthers are religious, mostly republican, and look down on single women who couldn’t keep their legs closed and are ‘looking for handouts’. Once the child is born they generally vote against any of their precious tax dollars going towards any programs to help these children. ETA - you cannot be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposing views. If you believe a pregnant person should have the choice to terminate a pregnancy, you are pro-choice. If not, you are pro-life. I see what your saying. But, I think a person can be anti abortion for themselves personally and yet oppose regulations forcing their beliefs upon others. For instance I do not think I would ever abort a pregnancy. ( though I have not been in a situation where my views have been tested ) But I do not believe that every other woman has to conform to my views, my beliefs. And since I’m not pro abortion I am pro women’s health education & women’s health rights. I can’t understand how anyone can be both anti abortion and pro religious freedom. Those things are opposites. I haven’t met anyone in the actual ‘pro life movement’ that is actually PRO LIFE. They are anti abortion, but want nothing to do with helping lives once the leave the womb. It is misnomer chosen by religious zealots to force their beliefs upon others. |
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Post by hop2 on Sept 14, 2020 15:31:47 GMT
Also add me to the list that if men carried children this would never be an issue. I mean the courts can’t even hold them responsible for their own actions where they shove their penises wanted or unwanted. Women are still blamed for their own rapes. Women are blamed for pregnancies. Women are just blamed. When will courts fully hold males completely responsible for what they do with their body parts?
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Post by sam9 on Sept 14, 2020 15:49:26 GMT
America is a democratic country. A law that allows for legal abortion in no way impinges on my individual right to not have one under any circumstances. No one is being forced to have unwanted abortions.
On the other hand, laws that allow for gun ownership by everyone and anyone affects my safety on a daily basis.
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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 15:53:12 GMT
Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. People really need better educated on what their taxes actually go towards and fund. I hear so much talk about how “they” pay taxes and people who don’t work get to collect unemployment that they’ve paid...but the reality is that employees don’t pay taxes for unemployment—it doesn’t come from the (employee) taxpayers! Every time our city posts something about a park upgrade or social program you’ll see a bunch of ignorant loud mouths screaming about “their taxes going to pay for this...” even when the mention is that a grant or private funding paid for the upgrade or program. I had a question about something going on in our city that was posted that would affect us if true, I emailed our council person who sent me the factual information and found out that what was being posted by these “angry taxpayers” was not even close to true—-people are just too damn lazy to check into something themselves—it literally took less than a few hours to get an accurate answer. I see/hear a lot of these types of people who complain about “their taxes” —angry, disgruntled—and they are almost always incorrect on their assumption of what their taxes really pay for. They’ll be the ones who believe this administration got the raises if their employer opted in for the pause on social security being withheld, Sept-Dec 2020 and also be totally gobsmacked, pissed and surprised when they have to pay it all back the first quarter of 2021. And they will blame it on the new Democratic president. 🙄 |
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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 15:55:38 GMT
Also add me to the list that if men carried children this would never be an issue. I mean the courts can’t even hold them responsible for their own actions where they shove their penises wanted or unwanted. Women are still blamed for their own rapes. Women are blamed for pregnancies. Women are just blamed. When will courts fully hold males completely responsible for what they do with their body parts? I think they honestly believe that if abortion was outlawed, women would “keep their legs closed.” They feel like women see abortion as an easy out from their wanton behavior. Meanwhile, men are held to no such standard. If the woman gets pregnant, it’s because she was a “slut,” and she deserves to pay for her sin. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 14, 2020 16:06:04 GMT
They feel like women see abortion as an easy out from their wanton behavior. This belief astounds me too. Because knowing women who have had abortions, not a single one of them saw it as an easy out. For each of them, it was a difficult choice. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 14, 2020 16:21:40 GMT
This belief astounds me too. Because knowing women who have had abortions, not a single one of them saw it as an easy out. For each of them, it was a difficult choice. Exactly! Yet they want these same women, that they deem so unworthy, so wanton, to go thru a complete pregnancy, and raise these child? or give up for adoption? When they are already judged to be so unworthy? It boogles my mind. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 14, 2020 17:26:08 GMT
What I believe is pretty cut and dry.
Pro-Choice does not equal Pro-Abortion.
A lot of people aren't Pro-Life, they are Pro-Birth. What I mean by that ... many of the same people who demand all fetuses be born, do not want to help support that mother and child after the baby is born. Not their problem. Many also believe in the death penalty. So, all the way around, not pro-life, but pro-birth.
The best discussion I have had with someone who is "pro-life" centered more around the distinction between pro-choice and pro-abortion. They thought they were one in the same. But for the most part, I don't engage in this conversation. No one is changing minds on this topic.
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Post by muggins on Sept 14, 2020 17:27:39 GMT
I had an abortion when I was a 20 year old university student in the U.K. My boyfriend and I weren’t financially or mentally ready for parenthood. We also did not want to give up our studies or place the burden of childcare on our parents. I simply did not want it. However the decision was mine, and remains one of the best I have ever made about my body, my life, my family, and my future. The procedure was fine. No trauma, no pain, no regret, nothing but relief and gratitude that I lived in a country that respects a woman’s right to choose. Unfortunately the stigma of abortion and label of ‘baby murderer’ by religious zealots stopped me from sharing my very positive experience with others. That is my only regret. That I didn’t help others navigate the process. I’ll be 52 this week with 2 kids that were planned and very much loved. I simply cannot imagine being forced to have a child I did not want. Most anti-abortionists/pro birthers are religious, mostly republican, and look down on single women who couldn’t keep their legs closed and are ‘looking for handouts’. Once the child is born they generally vote against any of their precious tax dollars going towards any programs to help these children. ETA - you cannot be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposing views. If you believe a pregnant person should have the choice to terminate a pregnancy, you are pro-choice. If not, you are pro-life. I see what your saying. But, I think a person can be anti abortion for themselves personally and yet oppose regulations forcing their beliefs upon others. For instance I do not think I would ever abort a pregnancy. ( though I have not been in a situation where my views have been tested ) But I do not believe that every other woman has to conform to my views, my beliefs. And since I’m not pro abortion I am pro women’s health education & women’s health rights. I can’t understand how anyone can be both anti abortion and pro religious freedom. Those things are opposites. I haven’t met anyone in the actual ‘pro life movement’ that is actually PRO LIFE. They are anti abortion, but want nothing to do with helping lives once the leave the womb. It is misnomer chosen by religious zealots to force their beliefs upon others. If you agree that pregnant people should be able to access an abortion, you are pro-choice. Another example, I am pro-gun control. This means I think there should be stricter laws on gun ownership. Whether I choose to own a gun or not is irrelevant. |
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Post by kmcginn on Sept 14, 2020 18:07:30 GMT
I totally agree with tracylynn.
Pro-Choice does NOT mean pro-abortion. Just because I would not personally have an abortion does not mean I can't support someone else's right to. It should be a choice between a woman, her doctor, and her god. Not her government.
Most Republicans I know are NOT pro-life. they are pro-birth.
There's a big difference!
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Post by inkedup on Sept 14, 2020 18:16:26 GMT
I had an abortion when I was a 20 year old university student in the U.K. My boyfriend and I weren’t financially or mentally ready for parenthood. We also did not want to give up our studies or place the burden of childcare on our parents. I simply did not want it. However the decision was mine, and remains one of the best I have ever made about my body, my life, my family, and my future. The procedure was fine. No trauma, no pain, no regret, nothing but relief and gratitude that I lived in a country that respects a woman’s right to choose. Unfortunately the stigma of abortion and label of ‘baby murderer’ by religious zealots stopped me from sharing my very positive experience with others. That is my only regret. That I didn’t help others navigate the process. I’ll be 52 this week with 2 kids that were planned and very much loved. I simply cannot imagine being forced to have a child I did not want. Most anti-abortionists/pro birthers are religious, mostly republican, and look down on single women who couldn’t keep their legs closed and are ‘looking for handouts’. Once the child is born they generally vote against any of their precious tax dollars going towards any programs to help these children. ETA - you cannot be pro-choice and pro-life. They are opposing views. If you believe a pregnant person should have the choice to terminate a pregnancy, you are pro-choice. If not, you are pro-life. Thanks for sharing something so personal. ❤ |
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Post by Merge on Sept 14, 2020 18:24:37 GMT
I think if the right wasn’t so dishonest in their characterization of what abortion is, there would be fewer people on the “pro-life” bandwagon. I had to convince my own husband that abortion up to the day of delivery is not a thing.
The doctored videos during the last campaign where PP was supposedly selling baby parts, the continuing assertion that women are just deciding after 8 months of healthy pregnancy that they want to abort, etc. - it’s all so dishonest. The same people who get sad because we say they’re supporting a racist turn around and accuse fellow humans of being in favor of infanticide without any thought at all.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 14, 2020 18:56:49 GMT
Yes. because they feel that they already pay too much in taxes, to support people, and don't want more taken out of their paychecks. I don't know the solution though. We could be taxed to death paying for all these programs and ideas. Then it is their time to pay full taxes and only get back what they put into the federal government... I do not have the full list here right now, but New Jersey only gets back like $.78 on every dollar sent to the fed... there are states, mainly toward the south that get back up to $2.!? for every dollar they put in.... let us fix that!! Why should I pay for their daily services when they don't want to help for emergencies etc!.?.? I will try to fins the chart when I get back from PT later! And they claim we don't pay our share!! Think again! Where is your state?!? New Jersey is dead last in how much help states get from WashingtonUpdated 7:44 AM;Today 7:30 AM January 17, 2020 The report found the states that got the most back from the federal were New Mexico, with $2.73 for every $1 paid in federal income taxes, and Mississippi, with $2.58. Nationally, the average was $1.21.Return on each $1 of taxes paid, 2018 New Jersey 0.79
Minnesota 0.89
Massachusetts 0.90
New York 0.90
Illinois 0.92
California 0.95
Connecticut 0.99South Dakota 1.02 Colorado 1.03 New Hampshire 1.03 Utah 1.03 Washington 1.03 Wisconsin 1.06 Delaware 1.07 Nevada 1.09 Texas 1.09 Wyoming 1.11 North Dakota 1.12 Iowa 1.16 Nebraska 1.16 Kansas 1.19 Florida 1.23 Oregon 1.25 Georgia 1.26 Rhode Island 1.27 Indiana 1.28 Pennsylvania 1.28 Michigan 1.29 Ohio 1.32 North Carolina 1.37 Tennessee 1.44 Idaho 1.55 Missouri 1.59 Arizona 1.60 Montana 1.62 Louisiana 1.65 Oklahoma 1.65 Maryland 1.68 Arkansas 1.70 South Carolina 1.73 Hawaii 1.74 Vermont 1.74 Maine 1.76 Virginia 1.78 Alaska 1.94Kentucky 2.00Alabama 2.09West Virginia 2.44Mississippi 2.58New Mexico 2.73www.nj.com/politics/2020/01/new-jersey-is-dead-last-in-how-much-help-states-get-from-washington.html |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 14, 2020 19:50:14 GMT
No surprise, Minnesota is second to last on that list!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 14, 2020 20:24:44 GMT
And they claim we don't pay our share!! Think again! Where is your state?!? New Jersey is dead last in how much help states get from WashingtonUpdated 7:44 AM;Today 7:30 AM January 17, 2020 The report found the states that got the most back from the federal were New Mexico, with $2.73 for every $1 paid in federal income taxes, and Mississippi, with $2.58. Nationally, the average was $1.21.Return on each $1 of taxes paid, 2018 Explain this to me better, will you? when you say "get the most back"... |
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 14, 2020 20:57:07 GMT
And they claim we don't pay our share!! Think again! Where is your state?!? New Jersey is dead last in how much help states get from WashingtonUpdated 7:44 AM;Today 7:30 AM January 17, 2020 The report found the states that got the most back from the federal were New Mexico, with $2.73 for every $1 paid in federal income taxes, and Mississippi, with $2.58. Nationally, the average was $1.21.Return on each $1 of taxes paid, 2018 Explain this to me better, will you? when you say "get the most back"... For every dollar that a state sends to the federal government in taxes through their citizens some of that money is returned to States in federal funding. Some states get more money, some get less. Generally, the most conservative states get the most back from federal government — more than they paid in. So for ever dollar of income taxes paid by New Mexico citizens the state gets $2.73 back from the federal government in funding. Some states like New Jersey, New York and California subsidize that spending and get less than a dollar back in federal spending for every dollar of federal tax money they send to the federal government |
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Post by DEX on Sept 14, 2020 21:12:42 GMT
My son, an only child, is adopted. I always thought I was a pro life Republican. Being here on 2 Peas I realized that I really am pro choice. In my opinion, the Republican Party (which I was a member of from 1967-2016) is Pro birth. Let the kids live but don't give the resources needed to support the mother or child. I am so fortunate that the birth mother of my child realized that she could not support a child. I believe that we did give him the best benefits that she may have given him, if she were able. My son went to college. We were able to help him purchase his first house. I know that if given the right resources and opportunity, that is what his birth mother would have wanted for him. What a gift I was given! I thank her every day for the gift of my son who is well loved.  |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Sept 14, 2020 21:13:42 GMT
So, since her in MN, we don't get back what we paid in. that would sort of explain why our state taxes are so much higher? because we don't get back in federal? or am I way off?
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I also think that when the working poor have fewer choices (in general) it’s much easier for their bosses to control them. When you have no options, you do what you’re told because you can’t afford to lose your job. When you (general you) have more autonomy over your life and your situation, you are better able to do what is in your own best interest, and the powers that be don’t seem to like that. 
