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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 15:21:49 GMT
Who's had their coffee poisoned? ah, I see what you did there. Go back and re-quote me. That word I typed BEFORE "poison". Makes all the difference. And yes, they worry all the time. But why would anyone worry about their coffee being poisoned if in fact no ones coffee has been poisoned? That doesn't seem logical does it? |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 17, 2020 15:22:52 GMT
Reasonable people can believe that violence against/murder of police officers is horrific and police brutality/murder of (especially) people of color is horrific.
Both are tragic. And heartbreaking.
Neither one excuses the other.
I don’t have to pick one to champion and then hate on the other, no matter what is assumed about me.
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Post by oh yvonne on Sept 17, 2020 15:22:57 GMT
ah, I see what you did there. Go back and re-quote me. That word I typed BEFORE "poison". Makes all the difference. And yes, they worry all the time. But why would anyone worry about their coffee being poisoned if in fact no ones coffee has been poisoned? That doesn't seem logical does it? actually, it does. |
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Post by gar on Sept 17, 2020 15:24:15 GMT
But why would anyone worry about their coffee being poisoned if in fact no ones coffee has been poisoned? That doesn't seem logical does it? actually, it does. I don't understand, genuinely... |
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Post by peano on Sept 17, 2020 15:25:57 GMT
This is nonsensically being promulgated as another Us vs Them issue, much like my statement in a recent thread about the right coopting anti-child trafficking as somehow being “their” issue. Just like I said in that post, there’s not a normal person on the face of the earth who doesn’t condemn child trafficking, the same is true for being supportive of ethical and law abiding cops. Where it all seems to break down is when we point out the glaring systemic problems in law enforcement and the need for reform, and are met with defensiveness and lies about how we are anti-cop. Any deaths that occur in interactions between citizens and law enforcement are too many.
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Post by oh yvonne on Sept 17, 2020 15:26:18 GMT
I suppose you guys are truly that far removed from what's really happening out there. I'm saying that in the most non snarky way I possibly can.
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Post by peano on Sept 17, 2020 15:28:04 GMT
I suppose you guys are truly that far removed from what's really happening out there. I'm saying that in the most non snarky way I possibly can. Can you elaborate on this thought? I don’t know what you mean. |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Sept 17, 2020 15:32:03 GMT
Wait, what? Are school shootings no longer a thing?
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Post by oh yvonne on Sept 17, 2020 15:33:34 GMT
I had a post typed out but I'm not going to contribute to the dereailing this thread. I'm out.
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 17, 2020 15:34:26 GMT
As for pushing buttons I ask...why is it ok for some Peas to be horrid towards LEO posts but as soon as we stand up we are thought of as provoking. I've been called a racist,stupid, ignorant, a moron, that I must be being abused by my LEO, uneducated and on and on. So yes, come at me but I'm coming right back. I will stand up, speak up and defend. This is not directly at you just an answer. That's absolutely not right. You are not your husband, and by all accounts, you husband is a good LEO. It's not OK for you to be called names, period. You do get to stand up for yourself, defend yourself. And you should. But also, when you post topics such as this, it's going to get contentious. It just is. Especially when you espouse support for Trump and state you won't defend that. I don't know if you'll answer, but honest question. What has Trump done for LEO families that I'm missing? Because from my point of view, he's done nothing but actually fan the flames of where we are today. Portland was a disaster thanks to him sending in his secret police and randomly grabbing people off the streets and shoving them into vans without any sort of identification or due process. |
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Post by cade387 on Sept 17, 2020 15:38:52 GMT
As for pushing buttons I ask...why is it ok for some Peas to be horrid towards LEO posts but as soon as we stand up we are thought of as provoking. I've been called a racist,stupid, ignorant, a moron, that I must be being abused by my LEO, uneducated and on and on. So yes, come at me but I'm coming right back. I will stand up, speak up and defend. This is not directly at you just an answer. That's absolutely not right. You are not your husband, and by all accounts, you husband is a good LEO. It's not OK for you to be called names, period. You do get to stand up for yourself, defend yourself. And you should. But also, when you post topics such as this, it's going to get contentious. It just is. Especially when you espouse support for Trump and state you won't defend that. I don't know if you'll answer, but honest question. What has Trump done for LEO families that I'm missing? Because from my point of view, he's done nothing but actually fan the flames of where we are today. Portland was a disaster thanks to him sending in his secret police and randomly grabbing people off the streets and shoving them into vans without any sort of identification or due process. Honestly I agree. The LEOs in my family are tired of Trump and the administration and Republicans making it worse. They are tired of the far right calls to vigilante justice making it that much harder to supervise an otherwise peaceful protest. They want the bad apples held accountable and I support them fully. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 17, 2020 15:38:58 GMT
[quote author="@leowife " timestamp="1600352263" source="/post/3090099/t But out of all those 168 black people that were killed by cops how many were committing crimes pointing guns and shooting at the cops? How many of them were putting a law abiding citizens life and their family lives in Imminent danger? How many of those where justified. As for race, how much crime is committed by that small percent of the population...I am really asking? Just because its a small percent dosen't mean that they are not committing alot of crime. A criminal is a criminal regardless. Isn't one innocent black person being killed by LEO too much? Does it matter what their past was? Does it matter what their record is/was? Does it not matter what is happening in that moment? Please tell me you understand the difference. Of course they weren't all innocent, I get that. But too many of them WERE. And that is the inherent problem. Going down the road of trying to defend against these shootings by saying "well, he was accused of rape 5 years ago" is a bullshit defense. Was he raping someone right then? Was he pointing a gun at the cop right then? No? Then why did he get shot? All you need to really know to understand the difference is there's a 17 year old white kid in Wisconsin almost being held up as a martyr AND HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE WITH WITNESSES. The cops let him WALK AWAY because they didn't believe the BLM protesters. WTF? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 15:47:46 GMT
I don't understand, genuinely... Neither do I.
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 17, 2020 15:55:43 GMT
This is nonsensically being promulgated as another Us vs Them issue, much like my statement in a recent thread about the right coopting anti-child trafficking as somehow being “their” issue. Just like I said in that post, there’s not a normal person on the face of the earth who doesn’t condemn child trafficking, the same is true for being supportive of ethical and law abiding cops. Where it all seems to break down is when we point out the glaring systemic problems in law enforcement and the need for reform, and are met with defensiveness and lies about how we are anti-cop. Any deaths that occur between citizens and law enforcement are too many. Right, this is not an us vs them thing, and it shouldn’t be. This articulates how I feel, and I imagine most people feel like this. Maybe it’s a bit simplistic, but it’s possible to take three different, yet complimentary perspectives on a single issue.  |
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Post by elaine on Sept 17, 2020 15:57:58 GMT
This is nonsensically being promulgated as another Us vs Them issue, much like my statement in a recent thread about the right coopting anti-child trafficking as somehow being “their” issue. Just like I said in that post, there’s not a normal person on the face of the earth who doesn’t condemn child trafficking, the same is true for being supportive of ethical and law abiding cops. Where it all seems to break down is when we point out the glaring systemic problems in law enforcement and the need for reform, and are met with defensiveness and lies about how we are anti-cop. Any deaths that occur between citizens and law enforcement are too many. Right, this is not an us vs them thing, and it shouldn’t be. This articulates how I feel, and I imagine most people feel like this. Maybe it’s a bit simplistic, but it’s possible to take three different, yet complimentary perspectives on a single issue. ❤️ This. |
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Post by thundergal on Sept 17, 2020 16:02:47 GMT
No one has to choose between supporting people of color and being supportive of law enforcement. No matter how much someone might want them to choose.
I appreciate that your husband, OP, has chosen a life of public service. His work is important and appreciated.
But when he walks in to a space without a uniform on, no one knows he's LE.
People of color don't have that luxury.
"Blue Lives Matter" is just an anti-Black Lives Matter expression.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 17, 2020 16:11:49 GMT
Reasonable people can believe that violence against/murder of police officers is horrific and police brutality/murder of (especially) people of color is horrific. Both are tragic. And heartbreaking. Neither one excuses the other. I don’t have to pick one to champion and then hate on the other, no matter what is assumed about me. That is perfectly stated. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 17, 2020 16:12:52 GMT
Right, this is not an us vs them thing, and it shouldn’t be. This articulates how I feel, and I imagine most people feel like this. Maybe it’s a bit simplistic, but it’s possible to take three different, yet complimentary perspectives on a single issue. ❤️ This. Yes! |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 17, 2020 16:26:42 GMT
This is nonsensically being promulgated as another Us vs Them issue, much like my statement in a recent thread about the right coopting anti-child trafficking as somehow being “their” issue. Just like I said in that post, there’s not a normal person on the face of the earth who doesn’t condemn child trafficking, the same is true for being supportive of ethical and law abiding cops. Where it all seems to break down is when we point out the glaring systemic problems in law enforcement and the need for reform, and are met with defensiveness and lies about how we are anti-cop. Any deaths that occur between citizens and law enforcement are too many. Right, this is not an us vs them thing, and it shouldn’t be. This articulates how I feel, and I imagine most people feel like this. Maybe it’s a bit simplistic, but it’s possible to take three different, yet complimentary perspectives on a single issue. Exactly! Police officers and departments need to look at how the history of racism in this country has affected their work and relationships with the community historically as well as now. It isn't a one-sided issue, but they do have a role. And it isn't just deaths at the hands of police that is a concern. It is the underlying aggression, power and control that they have notoriously abused that has led to attitudes about police. I used to think that the police were only there to protect and serve, and that they could be trusted in 99% of the situations. Now, I am learning how naïve that was, especially for people of color. All parties of the system need to acknowledge that and work to change their own individual attitudes as well as those of the system they work in. I am curious how much that is happening? I have a friend who is a police officer. I see responses to some of her posts that are really appalling (from present or former officers). Their pro-Trump rhetoric makes me scared that they are in LEO. And I doubt any of them are doing anything to challenge their views. The Daily had an episode recently called "Who will replace me?" They interviewed a black police officer and how he feels about being an officer, particularly after George Floyd's death. He recounted a story from early in his career in which he and some other white officers were chasing a suspect on foot. The suspect jumped over a fence and when they caught up to him, the white officers started kicking snow in the suspect's face. He was embarrassed and simply helped the suspect up before they arrested him. He treated him like a human. Not like an animal or a piece of shit. Body cameras can help to catch those types of behavior, but we have become more aware that these things have always happened but people either didn't believe black people or didn't care. I would argue that the body cam needs to be a second line of defense, not the preventive measure. Changing the attitudes and perceptions of people should be the first thing to change. This was a really good episode and I think every LEO should listen to it. Demeaning LEO isn't the answer, because we do need them and we want better people to want to be officers. |
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Post by peano on Sept 17, 2020 16:58:37 GMT
I had a post typed out but I'm not going to contribute to the dereailing this thread. I'm out. In what way is asking for clarification of something you wrote derailing the thread? I like healthy communication so I don’t just assume I understand what people mean, and if I’m honestly confused, I ask for clarification. I don’t know how abandoning a thread furthers communication. |
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Post by PLurker on Sept 17, 2020 17:00:02 GMT
All I have to say is there are no blue lives. Police officers can take their blue uniform off. POC don't get that option. Here you would be wrong, and this is my personal issue as is many spouses. My husbands uniform comes off but he is never not a LEO. Always on duty, always ready to step in, protect and defend. I can't tell you how many fights, domestics, car accidents,run to school shooting, stop to back up an officer he has done out of uniform. Sorry he might remove the uniform but that is not what make his life a blue life. A blue life is heart, soul and being. I get what you are saying and while they may never be truly "off duty" they are not easily recognized as "blue lives" out of uniform. They can be incognito (for lack of a better word. POC can not take their skin color off to go incognito and less of a target, nor can a change of career change that for them. That's the difference IMO. I am also one of the "ME"s in the center of the venn diagram shown above, capable of not having to be and "either/or" person. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 17, 2020 17:00:06 GMT
I'm all for social workers stepping up but here's what we see. A call to a social worker, yeah I'm not coming out, just take a report. A call from a social worker I'm not responding with a LEO. Letter after letter case closed, no findings. No findings, filth, no food, abuse and on and on Reform has to happen everywhere and we just don't seem to be able to get the funding to do that. Change is the key word. Change the job of police officers Change the job of social workers assigned to the areas Change the availability of mental health care workers And the list goes on. ETA there has been success with civilian responders to domestic violence. Change takes time all the way around. And yes, the majority of police officers are good honorable people! They also need to embrace the change of hiding the bad ones who make it bad for everyone including themselves! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 17:01:44 GMT
Here you would be wrong, and this is my personal issue as is many spouses. My husbands uniform comes off but he is never not a LEO. Always on duty, always ready to step in, protect and defend. I can't tell you how many fights, domestics, car accidents,run to school shooting, stop to back up an officer he has done out of uniform. Sorry he might remove the uniform but that is not what make his life a blue life. A blue life is heart, soul and being. I get what you are saying and while they may never be truly "off duty" they are not easily recognized as "blue lives" out of uniform. They can be incognito (for lack of a better word. POC can not take their skin color off to go incognito and less of a target, nor can a change of career change that for them. That's the difference IMO. Exactly! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 17:08:19 GMT
Same can be said about LEO can it not? A criminal chooses their actions a good LEO reacts appropriately. Who are you to say what is appropriate? Have you been in a fight for your life, been sliced by a knife, shot at, attacked by a man high on meth, beaten within an inch of your life... LEO's the good ones respind with the force that is needed. It might not be what society deems acceptable but they do what most would never be able to. This is not in reference to the unjustified killings that have been proven. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 17:10:47 GMT
I'm all for social workers stepping up but here's what we see. A call to a social worker, yeah I'm not coming out, just take a report. A call from a social worker I'm not responding with a LEO. Letter after letter case closed, no findings. No findings, filth, no food, abuse and on and on Reform has to happen everywhere and we just don't seem to be able to get the funding to do that. Change is the key word. Change the job of police officers Change the job of social workers assigned to the areas Change the availability of mental health care workers And the list goes on. ETA there has been success with civilian responders to domestic violence. Change takes time all the way around. And yes, the majority of police offer are good honorable people! They also need to embrace the change of hiding the bad ones who make it bad for everyone including themselves! Do you know that DV calls are some of the most violent calls. Im all for sending others to those calls. I HATE them, they set the hair on the back of your neck. All of this takes money, training and time. But then when civilian respond and they get beat or hurt, who will they call LEO. The circle will go around and around. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
That venn diagram is perfect but what we are seeing is not that. So much hate and hurt has been done to LEO'S and THEIR FAMILIES, it's going to take years to repair.
When someone feels comfortable enough to bring it to my home in the name of protest their is no forgiveness
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 17, 2020 17:13:21 GMT
Same can be said about LEO can it not? A criminal chooses their actions a good LEO reacts appropriately. Who are you to say what is appropriate? Have you been in a fight for your life, been sliced by a knife, shot at, attacked by a man high on meth, beaten within an inch of your life... LEO's the good ones respind with the force that is needed. It might not be what society deems acceptable but they do what most would never be able to. This is not in reference to the unjustified killings that have been proven. I think this attitude is part of the problem. Why do you think there is a discrepancy between how the officer responds and what society thinks is acceptable? Why can't the response be closer to what is seen as humane and acceptable as opposed to excessive force and/or a response made out of anger? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 17, 2020 17:13:51 GMT
Do you know that DV calls are some of the most violent calls. Im all for sending others to those calls. I HATE them, they set the hair on the back of your neck. All of this takes money, training and time. But then when civilian respond and they get beat or hurt, who will they call LEO. The circle will go around and around. Yes I am aware of the danger of DV calls. There needs to be change for the benefit of everyone! |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 17, 2020 17:15:05 GMT
As for pushing buttons I ask...why is it ok for some Peas to be horrid towards LEO posts but as soon as we stand up we are thought of as provoking. I've been called a racist,stupid, ignorant, a moron, that I must be being abused by my LEO, uneducated and on and on. So yes, come at me but I'm coming right back. I will stand up, speak up and defend. This is not directly at you just an answer. I said this gently and kindly in another thread a month or so back and you chalked me up to being hateful, vile and vicious. (Of which I was not being any of those things) What I said then and I’ll say now-specifically in direct answer to the post I’m quoting here—just so there is no misunderstanding or generalization—you often come off as “tone deaf” to what is going on in the country, then you want to excuse and argue why LEO are right to do what they do. And you come armed to fight right out of the gate “go ahead, come at me..., etc.), “don’t be hateful, “no politics”, etc...and in this case, you were the OP...you made the original post—you were not defending something anyone else said, you instigated the tone of the thread. You could at least own it. I personally think that your stress and emotions that come with being an LEO wife put you on the edge and quick to lead directly to that “people are mean and vile”—when they’re not being any of those things (I say this from reading your past posts) you’re ready to tear the heads off anyone who cannot agree with your experience or feelings or if someone is angry or upset with the LEO community. (And I’m not talking about posts that have been clearly, without a doubt ugly) I get that you are protective of your bubble. Nothing wrong with that in itself—heck I don’t know your husband and I’m truly hoping he stays safe. I honestly don’t think anyone wants to see LEO get hurt, they too just want the lack of responsibility and accountability to stop. It’s too much, it’s tearing this country apart. And it certainly does not help to have an administration that encourages more violence, citizens arming themselves, and ordering attacks on our own citizens. There are dozens of examples of where this specific administration has gone on TV, and social media and said so—as recent as 2 days ago. THEY are fueling the fire. Protestors are NOT solely responsible for violence, the majority of protesters are people just standing for peaceful resistance and change. It’s a fact in some areas that LEO are igniting the violence, it’s a fact that there are some protesters (or people just showing up to create violence). Both are true at the same time. Both are wrong to be violent to the point of hurting humans and destroying things. All of it needs to stop and the first step should be actual, effective, immediate changes within the murders of these black men—the protesting and rioting would cease if those in LEO would be held accountable. But they aren’t. Most here are not being mean or vile when they’re mentioning that you can be tone deaf to the situation—it’s just their observation. It’s not an attack on LEO’s. This post of mine is not attacking you, I’m not trying to silence you—just my observations based on your posts and what others posted. |
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