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Post by elaine on Sept 23, 2020 2:30:48 GMT
In all sincerity, and no snark, what does that have to do with what I am discussing? Whether or not you think that between 15 and 26 million protesters - the overwhelming majority of whom were peaceful - wanting to make their voices heard and taking a public stand is an effective medium for change given is irrelevant in a discussion of purposefully misrepresenting the actual numbers and making verifiably false claims to push an agenda. If you want to discuss whether millions of people marching in unity is worthwhile or not, that is a thread topic of itself and not what I was talking about at all (and honestly have no desire to discuss).  No snark taken. This is what I was addressing... “Anyone who claims that the violent protesters were in the majority is pushing a blatantly false agenda.”I’m saying it doesn’t matter if the % of violent protestors is a small % of total protestors. It doesn’t matter that it’s outside groups of individuals attach themselves to a peaceful protest with the intent of destroying property. Because what way too many people are going to associate protests with is violence. Just turn on the evening news and you see the latest destruction done during protests and that is what a lot of people remember. In other words, members of the public may not grasp that violence done at protests is being done by a small group of people and not at all protests. In their mind they may believe violence happens at all protests.
IMO.And no I had no intention discussing if protests actually bring about long lasting change. I suspect/know that you do and I think differently and I doubt very much a discussion would change any minds. I agree that a sizable portion of the general public may see it that way, especially if they are predisposed to be biased against the protests for one reason or another to begin with. At the same time, when research/statistics proving that it isn’t the case have been presented in the context of a message board discussion (even Gia used the cited research to try to make her point), and those facts and figures are simply ignored by active participants, it isn’t about the general public, it is about agendas being pushed here on this thread and this board irrespective of facts. My comments are/were about here at NSBR, I think that yours are about society as a whole.  |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 23, 2020 3:34:47 GMT
" I saw a video that just broke my heart. A young black boy was playing basketball in his front yard when he saw a police car coming down the road. When he did he started to move so he was out of line sight of the car. No one should ever have to do that in this country". Thank you for bringing this up, this is a huge issue. One those in LEO face everyday and yes it's the word no one like to talk about, race. Why did the boy leave? Was he scared...why because he has been watching the small percent of bad LEO"s on TV, has his family told him ACAB, has his family had an interaction with LEO that has skewed his opinion. That would equate to my daughters doing the same to POC, as we have had POC at our HOME and in public screaming hate, threating, and things that would curl your toes. So, it would be understandable that my girls avoid all POC, but they don't because we have taught them that the actions of a few do not dicate all. That yes right now, it looks like more people hate than care and that hate has opened a doorway for bad things. They see on TV /social media the hate, the attacka, things hurled at LEO'S, the shootings, the fires, the protesters. The conversations of giving everyone the benfit of the doubt are harder and harder as I find us being more cautious about strangers due to the actions of many. It's a shame but has become our reality. But we will contuine to try to see each person for theirselves, which is becoming difficult with each and every attack against LEO and their families. It's disgraceful that anyone should be afraid to be in their own front yard...POC, LEO kids...anyone! Can you see that there is a power differential between police and civilians? Especially POC? It is pretty clear that you don’t have a good grasp of the history of racism in this country and how it affects interactions today. Learning more about trauma (at least how it affects others besides yourself) would be helpful for you and also your LE community. Do you understand what has changed in the last six months? Actually, this has been brewing for years but George Floyd’s murder really set things off. How do you think Trump (who you support) has helped the situation—both before and after George Floyd’s murder? Do you truly think voting for him again is the answer? And as for protests...we have all seen rioting and looting and negative actions towards police (although I don’t think all of that can be blamed on blm). We have also seen many instances of poor behavior by police during these protests—towards innocent people who are exercising their rights peacefully. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 23, 2020 4:35:07 GMT
A report from Princeton University group shows protests ARE mostly peaceful. They reveal that nearly 570 violent demonstrations--riots--in nearly 220 locations spread all across country -making the "mostly peaceful" mantra insignificant.You misread the study. Those 570 violent demonstrations you are referring to included COVID 19 protests too, and 20% were something other than either BLM or COVID protests. To quote: You may want to actually read the study, and not misrepresent it. acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF_HiRes.pdfI didn't mention anything about who the protesters/demonstrators/rioters were so I didn't misrepresent it. I repeated their statistics as written in the report and didn't misrepresent them. I gave my opinion that 570 violent protesters/demonstrators/rioters all across the country this summer is a lot, no matter how many remained peaceful. And I stand by that. All of it. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 23, 2020 11:59:20 GMT
I didn't mention anything about who the protesters/demonstrators/rioters were so I didn't misrepresent it. I repeated their statistics as written in the report and didn't misrepresent them. I gave my opinion that 570 violent protesters/demonstrators/rioters all across the country this summer is a lot, no matter how many remained peaceful. And I stand by that. All of it. Leaving out the rest of the context IS misrepresenting info, AND that’s typical Gia tactics right there. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 23, 2020 14:05:31 GMT
Police officer who killed Breonna Taylor— www.theroot.com/officer-involved-in-breonna-taylors-death-emails-more-t-1845145918?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm“There’s a reason so many people hate cops. It’s not just the misconduct—the excessive force, extrajudicial executions, racial profiling and general harassment—it’s also the common cop attitude. It’s the smug disposition cops walk around with all day that says, “I’m the brave hero and only a vile criminal would disagree.” On Tuesday (September 22, 2020), Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly, one of three officers involved in the botched raid that left Breonna Taylor dead in her home, responded to news that Kentucky Attorney General Daniel Cameron has presented evidence to a grand jury to decide whether to indict Mattingly and the other two officers who fatally shot Taylor, by writing the longest, whiniest, victim-blamey-est, caucasity filled email of blue lives nonsense and sent it to more than 1,000 of his colleagues. Fortunately, the Courier-Journal has already transcribed Mattingly’s six-paragraph ode to police brutality so I don’t have to. I’ll just give you the highlights. From the Journal: “You DO NOT DESERVE to be in this position. The position that allows thugs to get in your face and yell, curse and degrade you. Throw bricks, bottles and urine on you and expect you to do nothing. It goes against EVERYTHING we were all taught in the academy. The position that if you make a mistake during one of the most stressful times in your career, the department and FBI (who aren’t cops and would piss their pants if they had to hold the line) go after you for civil rights violations. Your civil rights mean nothing, but the criminal has total autonomy.” OK, I’m just going to stop you there, Officer Cop-on-the-cross. First of all, locking your keys in your car is a “mistake.” Executing a search warrant obtained through faulty information while hunting for someone who was already in custody and killing the resident of the home you should never have been in the first place, is something more—much more. Secondly, I know you’re not actually trying to shade non-cops as people who would “piss their pants if they had to hold the line,” when “I was in fear for my life” is literally the go-to cop justification for shooting unarmed people. Cops sound like Courage the Cowardly Paw Patrol (I’m pretty sure that’s not right but it damn sure fits) every time they need to explain why they thought a cell phone was a gun and just started firing away. But please, tell us more about how everyone else is pissing their pants in the face of “danger” except you. Lastly, what fucking world does Mattingly live in where criminals are granted “total autonomy” but cops have no rights? Besides the fact that he almost seems to be implying that Taylor was of the criminal element despite the abundance of evidence pointing towards her innocence, Mattingly appears to have forgotten a crucial thing: Being a cop shielded him from even potentially being held accountable for Taylor’s death for DAMN NEAR SIX FUCKING MONTHS before an indictment that might never happen was even considered. Can I as a civilian also force my way into a house because I suspect drug trafficking, shoot and kill the resident of said house, find no drugs and still go on about my business free and cleared of all wrongdoing? This leads me to possibly the most egregious, rage-inducing line in Mattingly’s lengthy, pitiful-ass email: “Regardless of the outcome today or Wednesday, I know we did the legal, moral and ethical thing that night.” Imagine leaving someone dead who you can’t even remotely prove committed a crime and considering yourself to be on the moral high ground. Also, four paragraphs ago it was a “mistake,” now it’s the ethical thing? Raggedy blue bitch, WHAT??? Then he followed that line by, once again, appearing to imply that he helped kill a criminal that night, not an innocent victim. “It’s sad how the good guys are demonized, and criminals are canonized,” Mattingly wrote. Shit, I’m so pissed off reading Mattingly’s bullshit I almost forgot to include arguably the biggest lie in his whole cop-aganda rant: “We as police DO NOT CARE if you are black, white, Hispanic, Asian, what you identify as …” Please tell me I don’t need to break down all the ways that is a whole crock of “I don’t see color” shit. “This is not an us against society, but it is good versus evil,” this enormous blue ass hole continued. “We are sons, daughters, husbands, wives, part[n]ers, brothers, sisters, dads and moms. We are human beings with flaws, feelings and emotions.” Fuck your feelings. Fuck your flaws. Fuck your emotions. The people cops kill unjustly are also sons, daughters, husbands and wives. Breonna—whose name Mattingly doesn’t mention even ONCE in this long-ass fuck shit-filled email—was someone’s daughter and sister. She was someone’s lover and friend. She may have been someone’s mother or wife one day. She was a person who should have had a long life ahead of her. Mattingly, you got to go home alive that night. Fuck you. Zack Linly ***     |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 23, 2020 18:52:23 GMT
I didn't mention anything about who the protesters/demonstrators/rioters were so I didn't misrepresent it. I repeated their statistics as written in the report and didn't misrepresent them. I gave my opinion that 570 violent protesters/demonstrators/rioters all across the country this summer is a lot, no matter how many remained peaceful. And I stand by that. All of it. Leaving out the rest of the context IS misrepresenting info, AND that’s typical Gia tactics right there. A report from Princeton University group shows protests ARE mostly peaceful. They reveal that nearly 570 violent demonstrations--riots--in nearly 220 locations spread all across country -making the "mostly peaceful" mantra insignificant. I did NOT leave out any context as you can see by the bolded. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 23, 2020 18:55:27 GMT
Leaving out the rest of the context IS misrepresenting info, AND that’s typical Gia tactics right there. so is disappearing for hours and suddenly coming back to reply to post after post individually. for what it's worth. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2020 0:40:52 GMT
Leaving out the rest of the context IS misrepresenting info, AND that’s typical Gia tactics right there. so is disappearing for hours and suddenly coming back to reply to post after post individually. for what it's worth. ? |
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Post by elaine on Sept 24, 2020 1:02:51 GMT
so is disappearing for hours and suddenly coming back to reply to post after post individually. for what it's worth. ? She meant that that particular pattern is exactly what Gia used to do. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2020 1:24:57 GMT
She meant that that particular pattern is exactly what Gia used to do. Whew! I thought I said something wrong or that it was one of those misquote things! Lol |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Sept 24, 2020 15:59:48 GMT
She meant that that particular pattern is exactly what Gia used to do. Whew! I thought I said something wrong or that it was one of those misquote things! Lol nope, not at all. thanks, elaine, for explaining what I meant. |
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