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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 17, 2020 22:10:57 GMT
All I have to say is there are no blue lives. Police officers can take their blue uniform off. POC don't get that option. Here you would be wrong, and this is my personal issue as is many spouses. My husbands uniform comes off but he is never not a LEO. Always on duty, always ready to step in, protect and defend. I can't tell you how many fights, domestics, car accidents,run to school shooting, stop to back up an officer he has done out of uniform. Sorry he might remove the uniform but that is not what make his life a blue life. A blue life is heart, soul and being. So you don't understand that when your husband is not in uniform, he isn't being "judged" for being an officer? But black people can't just "take off their uniform" and not be judged for the color of their skin? Understanding this doesn't mean you don't support officers or love your husband. It is just showing compassion in seeing the difference. |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 17, 2020 22:13:24 GMT
This is nonsensically being promulgated as another Us vs Them issue, much like my statement in a recent thread about the right coopting anti-child trafficking as somehow being “their” issue. Just like I said in that post, there’s not a normal person on the face of the earth who doesn’t condemn child trafficking, the same is true for being supportive of ethical and law abiding cops. Where it all seems to break down is when we point out the glaring systemic problems in law enforcement and the need for reform, and are met with defensiveness and lies about how we are anti-cop. Any deaths that occur between citizens and law enforcement are too many. Right, this is not an us vs them thing, and it shouldn’t be. This articulates how I feel, and I imagine most people feel like this. Maybe it’s a bit simplistic, but it’s possible to take three different, yet complimentary perspectives on a single issue.  YES!!! |
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Post by mellyw on Sept 17, 2020 22:18:21 GMT
As a wife I've had enough. Go ahead and come at me, if that seems aggressive it is, I'm sick and tired of hearing it's what they signed up for. No one signs up for this . Let's see how quick the hate will come. Go ahead prove my point. What's the point of making statements like this? What point are you trying to make exactly? Yes, it must sting to have the man you voted for utter such damning words, that’s what they signed up for. Sgt. Johnson’s Widow
Doesn’t count when it’s military? I assure you, people came at me so fucking hard during the Iraq War and after. To the point of calling my DH a damn traitor, that he had been involved in too many wars, was obviously feeling the effects of that (military experience became mental breakdown when I didn’t tow the line). I have no doubt some of those same people still post here, more than likely under a different name. Difference is, I truly believe that ven diagram posted. I’ll even defend your posting style of seeming to wear the uniform with your DH, because until you live a life of wondering if your spouses job will kill him, if him walking out the door is the last, it’s hard to explain to people who haven’t lived it. But kidding yourself into thinking Mr. Law and Order does support your family? Guess it’s a good thing Putin hasn’t put out bounties on your DH’s head. I’m sure it’s makes it easier to pull on the cloak of patriotism as some short of shield to having your views challenged. ETA- ugh, I just can’t link right with my I-pad. Google will take you to LaDavid Johnson’s widows comments, if needed I’ll try to link again when I’m done exercising |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 17, 2020 22:21:38 GMT
What's the point of making statements like this? What point are you trying to make exactly? Yes, it must sting to have the man you voted for utter such damning words, that’s what they signed up for. Sgt. Johnson’s Widow
Doesn’t count when it’s military? I assure you, people came at me so fucking hard during the Iraq War and after. To the point of calling my DH a damn traitor, that he had been involved in too many wars, was obviously feeling the effects of that (military experience became mental breakdown when I didn’t tow the line). I have no doubt some of those same people still post here, more than likely under a different name. Difference is, I truly believe that ven diagram posted. I’ll even defend your posting style of seeming to wear the uniform with your DH, because until you live a life of wondering if your spouses job will kill him, if him walking out the door is the last, it’s hard to explain to people who haven’t lived it. But kidding yourself into thinking Mr. Law and Order does support your family? Guess it’s a good thing Putin hasn’t put out bounties on your DH’s head. I’m sure it’s makes it easier to pull on the cloak of patriotism as some short of shield to having your views challenged. I hope every Pea will read and try to understand your moving and profound post. It is reprehensible that you had to hear such horrible things about your husband. 💔 |
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Post by sassyangel on Sept 17, 2020 22:27:47 GMT
What's the point of making statements like this? What point are you trying to make exactly? Yes, it must sting to have the man you voted for utter such damning words, that’s what they signed up for. Sgt. Johnson’s Widow
Doesn’t count when it’s military? I assure you, people came at me so fucking hard during the Iraq War and after. To the point of calling my DH a damn traitor, that he had been involved in too many wars, was obviously feeling the effects of that (military experience became mental breakdown when I didn’t tow the line). I have no doubt some of those same people still post here, more than likely under a different name. Difference is, I truly believe that ven diagram posted. I’ll even defend your posting style of seeming to wear the uniform with your DH, because until you live a life of wondering if your spouses job will kill him, if him walking out the door is the last, it’s hard to explain to people who haven’t lived it. But kidding yourself into thinking Mr. Law and Order does support your family? Guess it’s a good thing Putin hasn’t put out bounties on your DH’s head. I’m sure it’s makes it easier to pull on the cloak of patriotism as some short of shield to having your views challenged. ETA- ugh, I just can’t link right with my I-pad. Google will take you to LaDavid Johnson’s widows comments, if needed I’ll try to link again when I’m done exercising It might just need to have a gap edited between the link and the prior punctuation period? I’d be interested to read it when you get a chance to re link it, though.  |
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Post by cycworker on Sept 17, 2020 22:51:18 GMT
That venn diagram is perfect but what we are seeing is not that. So much hate and hurt has been done to LEO'S and THEIR FAMILIES, it's going to take years to repair. When someone feels comfortable enough to bring it to my home in the name of protest their is no forgiveness If you want to see that Venn diagram, start speaking out against racism. Start speaking out against the bad cops. Start joining the Black Lives Matter protests. And stop supporting Trump. He's a racist... heck, he's a full blown white supremacist. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 0:13:58 GMT
Here you would be wrong, and this is my personal issue as is many spouses. My husbands uniform comes off but he is never not a LEO. Always on duty, always ready to step in, protect and defend. I can't tell you how many fights, domestics, car accidents,run to school shooting, stop to back up an officer he has done out of uniform. Sorry he might remove the uniform but that is not what make his life a blue life. A blue life is heart, soul and being. So you don't understand that when your husband is not in uniform, he isn't being "judged" for being an officer? But black people can't just "take off their uniform" and not be judged for the color of their skin? Understanding this doesn't mean you don't support officers or love your husband. It is just showing compassion in seeing the difference. We have racist people in this country. Some of them are cops, car salesman, bankers, teachers, chefs... any occupation you can come up with you can probably find a racist in there somewhere. But despite the rhetoric that cops are going out and hunting black people, that's not what is happening. When a pea comes here hurting because she's terrified of losing her husband since cops ARE actually being hunted, pointing out the difference between a cop and a black person is like saying all lives matter at the time we're trying to say black lives matter. |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 18, 2020 1:25:48 GMT
So you don't understand that when your husband is not in uniform, he isn't being "judged" for being an officer? But black people can't just "take off their uniform" and not be judged for the color of their skin? Understanding this doesn't mean you don't support officers or love your husband. It is just showing compassion in seeing the difference. We have racist people in this country. Some of them are cops, car salesman, bankers, teachers, chefs... any occupation you can come up with you can probably find a racist in there somewhere. But despite the rhetoric that cops are going out and hunting black people, that's not what is happening. When a pea comes here hurting because she's terrified of losing her husband since cops ARE actually being hunted, pointing out the difference between a cop and a black person is like saying all lives matter at the time we're trying to say black lives matter. But that is not anywhere near the same thing! Everyone on this thread has shown compassion for good LEOs and their families. But there is a very large distinction between the phrase black lives matter and the phrase blue lives matter. To not acknowledge the difference at this point is just willful ignorance. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 2:05:15 GMT
We have racist people in this country. Some of them are cops, car salesman, bankers, teachers, chefs... any occupation you can come up with you can probably find a racist in there somewhere. But despite the rhetoric that cops are going out and hunting black people, that's not what is happening. When a pea comes here hurting because she's terrified of losing her husband since cops ARE actually being hunted, pointing out the difference between a cop and a black person is like saying all lives matter at the time we're trying to say black lives matter. So but that is not anywhere near the same thing! Everyone on this thread has shown compassion for good LEOs and their families. But there is a very large distinction between the phrase black lives matter and the phrase blue lives matter. To not acknowledge the difference at this point is just willful ignorance. To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 18, 2020 2:10:28 GMT
So but that is not anywhere near the same thing! Everyone on this thread has shown compassion for good LEOs and their families. But there is a very large distinction between the phrase black lives matter and the phrase blue lives matter. To not acknowledge the difference at this point is just willful ignorance. To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. You are trying to create something that is not there. Not a single person on this thread has dismissed her. Looks like you are taking the same route as your dear leader with making up stuff and trying to get people riled up and divided. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 2:17:40 GMT
To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. You are trying to create something that is not there. Not a single person on this thread has dismissed her. Looks like you are taking the same route as your dear leader with making up stuff and trying to get people riled up and divided. You and sunnycamom both said her husband can take the uniform off so it's not the same as being black and that's very dismissive of the life she IS living. |
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Post by dizzycheermom on Sept 18, 2020 2:31:43 GMT
You are trying to create something that is not there. Not a single person on this thread has dismissed her. Looks like you are taking the same route as your dear leader with making up stuff and trying to get people riled up and divided. You and sunnycamom both said her husband can take the uniform off so it's not the same as being black and that's very dismissive of the life she IS living. It is not dismissive at all. He can take the uniform off. He can go out in regular clothes and no one would know what he does for a living. Or he can quit. Black and brown people NEVER get that opportunity. The statements I am making have absolutely nothing to do with her being worried about him. Of course she is worried for him. One of my best friends is a female officer. ANYTIME I see trouble reported on FB I message her to make sure she is ok. I worry about her. But she still has the ability to take off the uniform. |
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Post by elaine on Sept 18, 2020 2:46:23 GMT
You are trying to create something that is not there. Not a single person on this thread has dismissed her. Looks like you are taking the same route as your dear leader with making up stuff and trying to get people riled up and divided. You and sunnycamom both said her husband can take the uniform off so it's not the same as being black and that's very dismissive of the life she IS living. No, it is NOT dismissive of her fears for her husband WHEN HE IS UNIFORM & performing his duties. And yes, putting on and taking off a uniform is a very OBJECTIVELY real difference from living in a colored skin that cannot be removed at the end of a shift. One can be respectful of her fears for her dh while he is uniform performing his job, and reflect the reality that his experience when he takes off his uniform has no connection to the systemic racism experienced every single minute of every day by POC. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 2:53:26 GMT
You are trying to create something that is not there. Not a single person on this thread has dismissed her. Looks like you are taking the same route as your dear leader with making up stuff and trying to get people riled up and divided. You and sunnycamom both said her husband can take the uniform off so it's not the same as being black and that's very dismissive of the life she IS living. You ARE creating issues here that are not being said. You are totally missing what dizzycheermom is stating. She is NOT dismissing the OP’s feelings. |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 18, 2020 3:35:37 GMT
So but that is not anywhere near the same thing! Everyone on this thread has shown compassion for good LEOs and their families. But there is a very large distinction between the phrase black lives matter and the phrase blue lives matter. To not acknowledge the difference at this point is just willful ignorance. To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. I don't think anyone was dismissing the OP's fear for her husband. I can't imagine. I watched the video of the LAPD officers who were hurt this week and was horrified. That the ambush occurred at all and at the reaction from some bystanders. It is horrible when innocent people are injured or killed, whether they're wearing badges or not. And I think that's the crux of many posts here. OP should look try to look past herself and her own family and acknowledge the issues that have brought us to this point. People who have been killed or injured by police brutality deserve the same compassion that she demands for her husband. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 3:49:17 GMT
I don't think anyone was dismissing the OP's fear for her husband. I can't imagine. And I think that's the crux of many posts here. OP should look try to look past herself and her own family and acknowledge the issues that have brought us to this point. That's very dismissive. Would you accept that from someone who told a black person who was worried about being a victim of police brutality that "they should look try to look past herself and her own family and acknowledge the issues that have brought us to this point of hunting cops and shooting them in the face"? People who have been killed or injured by police brutality deserve the same compassion that she demands for her husband. Did she say they didn't? She was told "there is no such thing as blue lives because he can take the uniform off". She explained that it IS their life and was further dismissed. |
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Post by cycworker on Sept 18, 2020 4:39:49 GMT
So but that is not anywhere near the same thing! Everyone on this thread has shown compassion for good LEOs and their families. But there is a very large distinction between the phrase black lives matter and the phrase blue lives matter. To not acknowledge the difference at this point is just willful ignorance. To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. The terrorists are the white supremacists. The latest police shooting was done by a right wing white guy, trying to make the BLM movement look bad. That's what happens most of the time. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 4:59:49 GMT
To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. The terrorists are the white supremacists. The latest police shooting was done by a right wing white guy, trying to make the BLM movement look bad. That's what happens most of the time. Where is your information from? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 5:02:29 GMT
The terrorists are the white supremacists. The latest police shooting was done by a right wing white guy, trying to make the BLM movement look bad. That's what happens most of the time. Where is your information from? The FBI. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 5:15:39 GMT
I don't think anyone was dismissing the OP's fear for her husband. I can't imagine. And I think that's the crux of many posts here. OP should look try to look past herself and her own family and acknowledge the issues that have brought us to this point. That's very dismissive. Would you accept that from someone who told a black person who was worried about being a victim of police brutality that "they should look try to look past herself and her own family and acknowledge the issues that have brought us to this point of hunting cops and shooting them in the face"? People who have been killed or injured by police brutality deserve the same compassion that she demands for her husband. Did she say they didn't? She was told "there is no such thing as blue lives because he can take the uniform off". She explained that it IS their life and was further dismissed. That's because... He CAN take the uniform off. He CAN change jobs. It is his JOB not his SKIN COLOR. Do you see how that's totally different than being a BIPOC where there is NO respite from your race and the stigma it carries to a too large % of Americans. What she fears for her husband while he is a LEO, they fear for their husbands, brothers, sons, daughters EVERY F'ING MINUTE OF EVERY F'ING DAY. And no change of clothes or change of jobs will ever change it. Only a change of minds to demand that Black Lives Matter and that racism has no place in civil society. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 5:21:09 GMT
To dismiss her terror at the fact that her husband is in a profession that is being hunted and he has to go out in a uniform that is a target for these terrorists, by saying he can take the uniform off when he goes home is very much like saying all lives matter when people are trying to tell the world that black lives matter. Both are VERY dismissive. The terrorists are the white supremacists. The latest police shooting was done by a right wing white guy, trying to make the BLM movement look bad. That's what happens most of the time. The shooting of the 2 officers in compton "was done by a right wing white guy trying make the BLM movement look bad"? Just making sure. Are we talking about the same incident? Do you have a link to your information? |
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 18, 2020 10:52:19 GMT
Let’s pretend (general) you are a server in a sports bar. Six men are seated at a table watching the game. All six have their chairs pulled under the table so while you can see they are wearing jeans you can see nothing else from the waist down. They are all wearing a team shirt of the game they are watching; all the same team so as to not have any rivalry. All six have clean cut hairstyles and shaven faces.
Not only have you never met these men before you have never seen them before.
You walk past their table several times as you are serving a table next to them. The only talk you hear is about the football game they are watching.
Five men are white. One man is black.
The server for their table is in the weeds and asks you to deliver two beers. One goes to the black man; one goes to the LEO.
You easily know how to deliver the first beer. How do you deliver the second?
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Post by schizo319 on Sept 18, 2020 11:17:16 GMT
The terrorists are the white supremacists. The latest police shooting was done by a right wing white guy, trying to make the BLM movement look bad. That's what happens most of the time. The shooting of the 2 officers in compton "was done by a right wing white guy trying make the BLM movement look bad"? Just making sure. Are we talking about the same incident? Do you have a link to your information? Pretty sure she's referring to the ambush in Santa Cruz. Same guy and an accomplice also murdered a Federal agent and wounded another officer in Oakland. To my knowledge, they have not caught a suspect in the Compton shooting. Here's a link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/08/28/alleged-boogaloo-suspect-steven-carrillo-pleads-not-guilty-to-fatal-santa-cruz-mt-ambush/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 11:32:21 GMT
Morning ladies,
New day, so here goes. I've been told I'm tone deaf so let me try to address that. My tone deafness is that I don't understand what black people face if I'm to look and understand what I post according to some PEAS.
So let me be crystal clear, I DON'T, I'm not black, I can't put myself in their shoes, I don’t know their lives. What I do know is I make a difference in black lives in my own way. I volunteer in schools, I engage, support and give my time, heart, knowledge and money to all the kids I come into contact with, have for over 20 years, 9 schools, a million after school programs, sports programs, fundraisers, food banks, clothing drives, holidays, day to day and on and on. I stand up and speak up when I see something wrong. I don't pre-judge a black person when I see them.
I support my husband, who spends hours upon hours planning his de-esclation classes, interaction classes and the million other in-service classes he teaches.
My tone deafness is that I can't understand why some think that we don't worry everyday as much as black people do. My family is a target every moment of everyday. Every stop, every interaction, every time they pull over to do paperwork, everytime they step out of their car, when they pull into our driveway, when the walk up our steps, on their day off in their own yards.
Anifa and BLM Protesters have begun to look up LEO'S families and stand in front of them holding pictures saying while your here we are going to rape and kill them. Making signs of home address, phone numbers, kids schools and on and on.They show up at homes, schools and places of employment of LEO families.
So my tone deafness is not done to be spiteful. I might come across as cold and not wanting to hear the other side but I do. I don't wish anyone dead. When a life is taken unjustified it is a tragedy.
Regardless if it's a LEO or a POC.
Let me be clear about something a Pea brought up, I will NEVER walk in a BLM march, the movement has been taken over by people who don't want change but want chaos and hate. The peaceful protesters are the ones bringing change and any LEO that truly serves and protects welcomes it!!!
More training, more body cameras, more money for programs, open door policy, better acces to mental health, more in depth hiriing practices all thing they have been begging for years! But this comes with money that no one wants to give.
So yes, I do feel for an innocent POC when a death occurs, it is a tragedy. I will protest through my way by giving, encouraging and inspiring, not by burning, looting, violence and screaming hate.
Not to take away from the above, please let me address somethings that have been said.
1)MY husband is never not a LEO officer,many don't understand that and that is your right. His uniform comes off but never does the calling. Everyone knows he is an LEO, we are very active in our community, he has been VERY involoved with me. So the target is always there. We have had many close calls.
2)I don't wear a badge, I don't go on calls, I don't carry a service weapon, I am not a LEO. What I am is a spouse and yes in a way I serve right along with him. I have sleepless nights when he is running late, on a call out, deployed. I listen and help decompress the bad days. I adjust, plan and replan events, vacations, days off, dinners, moments and on and on.
I support, defend and speak up when he can't. He is a LEO and has to follow SOP, wives don't. I'm on my first marriage and plan on ONE marriage. 25 years so we must be doing something right. He supports me 100% and I him. I may not wear the badge but I walk the line. Some wives feel differently, who am I to tell a LEO wife how to deal with their marriage. In the end I will say this over and over YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOUR FAMILY, and everyone else can mind their own busines.
Some Peas like to say mean things but don't see it. This turns into I don't see the mean comments, no hate has been said and on and on.
In the past 4 months I have been called a moron, stupid, racist, ignorant, blind, tone deaf, uncaring, hateful, that my husband must be beating me, my blue family are builles, undeaucated and on and on. Thats the mean and hate.
But 2PEAS has been my home for years and I will continue regardless.
Take everything above in whatever context you'd like. But know that I will never apologize for standing with, supporting and backing my family.
If you've read this thank you.
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Post by katybee on Sept 18, 2020 12:01:26 GMT
I agree with the others. I also want to add that when you hear calls to defund the police, what most of us mean is to take the burden of being social workers, crisis counselors, and so many other things, off the shoulders of people whose primary job is to keep the peace. Changing the expectations of what we expect of police personnel, and making sure everyone has they training they need to handle every situation, will save lives (both police and civilian) in the long run. Hi, I'm all for social workers stepping up but here's what we see. A call to a social worker, yeah I'm not coming out, just take a report. A call from a social worker I'm not responding with a LEO. Letter after letter case closed, no findings. No findings, filth, no food, abuse and on and on Reform has to happen everywhere and we just don't seem to be able to get the funding to do that. That is exactly the problem. Social workers are some of the most overworked and underpaid people out there. They have impossible caseloads. Most enter the profession wanting to make a difference and quickly realize they’ve been set up to fail. As a result, many give up. This is why I want to “defund” the police (I don’t know who coined that term, but it’s a AWFUL representation of what most people who say it really want). I would like to see funds (OVER TIME) shifted away from the police to social agencies So they can have reasonable caseloads and better training. Let’s face it—taxpayers aren’t going to want to give MORE money—So the money has to come from somewhere. As I teacher, I am asked to do a hundred jobs I never signed up for and certainly don’t have the training or expertise for. I am NOT a social worker, I am NOT a therapist! I hate that i have to do those jobs—not because I don’t want to, because I am not the right person to do them, and I know am I’m not doing them right! I’m sure the OP’s husband never signed up to be a therapist, or addiction counselor or social worker. We need to build relationships with people, but get them the PROPER help they need. Let’s stop expecting police officers do things they’re not trained for. I absolutely want to make sure that police have everything they need to do job safely. And I want adequate numbers of police on the streets. But wouldn’t it be awesome if, one day, we had enough UP FRONT and PROACTIVE social services that we didn’t need as many police? Isn’t it better to prevent crime and violence than simply react/punish for it after the fact? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 12:46:51 GMT
Hi,
"I would like to see funds (OVER TIME) shifted away from the police to social agencies So they can have reasonable caseloads and better training..."
Can I ask where from the police budget do we take? Training, pay, uniforms, equipment, community outreach?
This is the seventh year no raises, cars are ran into the ground. Training budget, is stretched beyond belief. Presdient comes into town....overtime...
protesters choose to terrorize downtown...overtime...
missing person...overtime...
covid...overtime...
inmates at the hospital...overtime...
barricaded subject...overtime...
drug shootings ...overtime...custody dispute...overtime...
robbery string...overtime...
sexual assulats...overtime.
All that overtime pulls from the regular budget, leaving a short. It also cancels training, which then leaves a gap, one the LEO has to figure out asap.
So pulling money from one agency to another will just be a card game. We can't pull from Paul to feed Mary. More funding to fully fund ALL agencies need to happen. But until those in charge do it, we are forced to work in a broken system. A system that tries it's hardest with what they are given.
I'm all for giving social workers the training and support they need. But they are so overworked now, how can we ask them to take more...just as are teachers, nurses, firefighters, medics and LEO. Those that serve the public have always been overworked and underpaid.
"Isn’t it better to prevent crime and violence than simply react/punish for it after the fact?"
Omg, thank you for that, yes but I don't think we will ever get there. We will never have a full society that follows rules, looks out for others and volunteers. People are to self centered, self serving and not willing to work. Now before someone starts yelling, I'm not saying everyone, but alot of people are like this. They would rather be handed than work for it, take then work for it and expect instead of working for it.
This is why we instill volunteering, teaching our girls about chores, being responsible for their actions (as painful as that has been) and surrounding them with examples of how you should behave. Now don't get me wrong they have seen me speak loud and stand up, nothing wrong with learing that. But as a society I don't ever see us not needing as many police as we have now, if not more. As a society I would love to weed out those who shouldn't be wearing the badge, those are the ones that put Targets on my family.
Thank you for your response.
Just an FYI, all those overtime examples have happened over the past 2 months and about a dozen more.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 18, 2020 12:52:37 GMT
Hi, "I would like to see funds (OVER TIME) shifted away from the police to social agencies So they can have reasonable caseloads and better training..." Can I ask where from the police budget do we take? Training, pay, uniforms, equipment, community outreach? This is the seventh year no raises, cars are ran into the ground. Training budget, is stretched beyond belief. Presdient comes into town....overtime... protesters choose to terrorize downtown...overtime... missing person...overtime... covid...overtime... inmates at the hospital...overtime... barricaded subject...overtime... drug shootings ...overtime...custody dispute...overtime... robbery string...overtime... sexual assulats...overtime. All that overtime pulls from the regular budget, leaving a short. It also cancels training, which then leaves a gap, one the LEO has to figure out asap. So pulling money from one agency to another will just be a card game. We can't pull from Paul to feed Mary. More funding to fully fund ALL agencies need to happen. But until those in charge do it, we are forced to work in a broken system. A system that tries it's hardest with what they are given. I'm all for giving social workers the training and support they need. But they are so overworked now, how can we ask them to take more...just as are teachers, nurses, firefighters, medics and LEO. Those that serve the public have always been overworked and underpaid. Just an FYI, all those overtime examples have happened over the past 2 months and about a dozen more. Not all of the problems need money to be solved. I haven’t heard you address (or even acknowledge, to be honest) any of those issues. When I hear what you say about this, it is always about what other people need to do. No acknowledgment about the role that police officers themselves have, besides how rough it is for them. You don’t convey much empathy or understanding of what others go through. And I know you don’t want this to be political, but if the law enforcement community is espousing pro-trump rhetoric and that line of thinking, that is a problem. I guarantee it is affecting how LEO interact with people of color, and people of color know that. THAT is what needs to be addressed. And it is relatively inexpensive. Except I suppose if they need to start over with many people. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 12:56:18 GMT
I'm sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Address what?
Sorry to sound daft
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 18, 2020 12:56:35 GMT
Training other agencies will lead to those agencies taking calls that police no longer need to take, freeing up their time to respond to the things they are needed for and helping to alleviate the need for the overtime.
I have trained people to be on my team at work several times. It takes time away from me being able to do my job effectively and sometimes I have to work over or through lunch to get my job completed. But in the long run that small amount of training I do then takes things off my workload to actually work on the things I need to be doing and helps us all the be more efficient.
Obviously I’m not comparing my desk job to being a LEO. I’m using this as an example. Something is broken. Something needs to be fixed. Fixing it is never going to be smooth and will take time and be inconvenient. But something has to happen now for it to get better. Saying “no” to all suggestions isn’t an option.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 18, 2020 12:59:46 GMT
I'm sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Address what? Sorry to sound daft Racism, discriminatory practices, helping officers to look at and recognize their own biases, mental health and trauma training (for themselves as well as having more empathy for others), de-escalation, changing the attitude from power and control to being there to help the community, etc. On another topic, I am really not sure how it would actually work to have a social worker go to domestic violence calls. I work in the mental health field and can’t imagine going to a DV call if it is completely out of control. Does that happen sometimes when I’m in people’s homes? Yes. But it seems irresponsible to send only a social worker to those calls that are the most volatile. I could see having specially trained officers that handle those types of call along with a social worker. I would be interested to see outcomes of that vs having just the officers go (after having more training in de-escalation, if needed). Again, it goes in part to the gun problems we have in this country. |
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