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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 12:59:47 GMT
Training other agencies will lead to those agencies taking calls that police no longer need to take, freeing up their time to respond to the things they are needed for and helping to alleviate the need for the overtime. I have trained people to be on my team at work several times. It takes time away from me being able to do my job effectively and sometimes I have to work over or through lunch to get my job completed. But in the long run that small amount of training I do then takes things off my workload to actually work on the things I need to be doing and helps us all the be more efficient. Obviously I’m not comparing my desk job to being a LEO. I’m using this as an example. Something is broken. Something needs to be fixed. Fixing it is never going to be smooth and will take time and be inconvenient. But something has to happen now for it to get better. Saying “no” to all suggestions isn’t an option. But they have to be willing and the funding has to be given. It all leads back to money and time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 13:02:19 GMT
I'm sorry I don't understand what you are saying. Address what? Sorry to sound daft Racism, discriminatory practices, helping officers to look at and recognize their own biases, mental health and trauma training (for themselves as well as having more empathy for others), de-escalation, changing the attitude from power and control to being there to help the community, etc. Sorry, your wrong. I've stated numerous times my husband teaches De-esclation, sensitivity training,dealing with minority populations and a million other community classes, he is an FTO and has sent back LEO'S that don't need to be, has stepped in on and off duty to stop hurt and a million other things. But that is always overshadowed by PEAS saying to stop bragging, yeah they know he's wonderful but it's not appropriate to speak about that now, how I'm taking away from POC by speaking about him and on and on. Helping the community, s$#@ he spends more time in the community then at our house. His days off are never days off. Just because I don't post doesn't mean it's not happening. I've just seen how Peas react whenever I bring up all the good my LEO family does for our community. "When I hear what you say about this, it is always about what other people need to do. No acknowledgment about the role that police officers themselves have, besides how rough it is for them. You don’t convey much empathy or understanding of what others go through." And the same can be said about a bunch of PEAS. Why is it on me, why because I have a diffent view? I seem cold because anytime I go soft some Peas start with the meaness and yes it is downright mean. But your right I might seem cold to some but due to the actions of some I have to be, I'm warm when needed, giving and caring. I volunteer, strive for change and take it as it comes. Being viewed as cold by a complete stranger is fine with me. What matters to me is I know what I do matters, that I make giving a part of my life and I surround myself with amazing people. Thank you for voicing your opinion, no snark intened. Here is something to think about something NO ONE wants to admit,EVERYONE has bias. But what makes you a decent human being is putting those bias aside and assessing each interaction as they come. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 13:26:16 GMT
Racism, discriminatory practices, helping officers to look at and recognize their own biases, mental health and trauma training (for themselves as well as having more empathy for others), de-escalation, changing the attitude from power and control to being there to help the community, etc. Sorry, your wrong. I've stated numerous times my husband teaches De-esclation, sensitivity training,dealing with minority populations and a million other community classes, he is an FTO and has sent back LEO'S that don't need to be, has stepped in on and off duty to stop hurt and a million other things. But that is always overshadowed by PEAS saying to stop bragging, yeah they know he's wonderful but it's not appropriate to speak about that now, how I'm taking away from POC by speaking about him and on and on. Helping the community, s$#@ he spends more time in the community then at our house. His days off are never days off. Just because I don't post doesn't mean it's not happening. I've just seen how Peas react whenever I bring up all the good my LEO family does for our community. "When I hear what you say about this, it is always about what other people need to do. No acknowledgment about the role that police officers themselves have, besides how rough it is for them. You don’t convey much empathy or understanding of what others go through." And the same can be said about a bunch of PEAS. Why is it on me, why because I have a diffent view? I seem cold because anytime I go soft some Peas start with the meaness and yes it is downright mean. But your right I might seem cold to some but due to the actions of some I have to be, I'm warm when needed, giving and caring. I volunteer, strive for change and take it as it comes. Being viewed as cold by a complete stranger is fine with me. What matters to me is I know what I do matters, that I make giving a part of my life and I surround myself with amazing people. Thank you for voicing your opinion, no snark intened. Here is something to think about something NO ONE wants to admit,EVERYONE has bias. But what makes you a decent human being is putting those bias aside and assessing each interaction as they come. Which is NOT happening. Can you really not see that? ? ? ? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 18, 2020 13:39:04 GMT
Racism, discriminatory practices, helping officers to look at and recognize their own biases, mental health and trauma training (for themselves as well as having more empathy for others), de-escalation, changing the attitude from power and control to being there to help the community, etc. Sorry, your wrong. I've stated numerous times my husband teaches De-esclation, sensitivity training,dealing with minority populations and a million other community classes, he is an FTO and has sent back LEO'S that don't need to be, has stepped in on and off duty to stop hurt and a million other things. But that is always overshadowed by PEAS saying to stop bragging, yeah they know he's wonderful but it's not appropriate to speak about that now, how I'm taking away from POC by speaking about him and on and on. Helping the community, s$#@ he spends more time in the community then at our house. His days off are never days off. Just because I don't post doesn't mean it's not happening. I've just seen how Peas react whenever I bring up all the good my LEO family does for our community. "When I hear what you say about this, it is always about what other people need to do. No acknowledgment about the role that police officers themselves have, besides how rough it is for them. You don’t convey much empathy or understanding of what others go through." And the same can be said about a bunch of PEAS. Why is it on me, why because I have a diffent view? I seem cold because anytime I go soft some Peas start with the meaness and yes it is downright mean. But your right I might seem cold to some but due to the actions of some I have to be, I'm warm when needed, giving and caring. I volunteer, strive for change and take it as it comes. Being viewed as cold by a complete stranger is fine with me. What matters to me is I know what I do matters, that I make giving a part of my life and I surround myself with amazing people. Thank you for voicing your opinion, no snark intened. Here is something to think about something NO ONE wants to admit,EVERYONE has bias. But what makes you a decent human being is putting those bias aside and assessing each interaction as they come. I agree that everyone has a bias. That is why it is important to keep evaluating our own. But it is also good to see what others’ biases might be. When I say that you don’t come across as having empathy, it is not because you seem cold. It is because you don’t seem to recognize that most of what you said about your fear for your husband could also be said by black people (or those who love them, like me). I could say that I worry about my husband and sons (two of whom are now teens and not the “cute innocent little boys” that society once saw them at—or so I thought) more and more every day. Some people look at them and see a threat. We now have a president and GOP leaders that are fanning the flames and making outright racism ok agin. Many black people see LEO as a threat to their safety, and I can see why more clearly every day. Even if they do everything right in a traffic stop, there is no guarantee that all will end well. These actions on the part of the police as well as society have gone on for generations. Like you said about the police feeling unsafe—that will take a long time to heal. Can you at least try to put yourself in someone else’s shoes? That is great that your husband does classes and is working on these issues. I truly hope it isn’t just lip service and that he has been able to develop and keep empathy for others (as well as his fellow officers). I think it is easy to get jaded and cynical (I feel that at times with my job as well), which is why it’s important to have ongoing consultation and processing of the experiences that they have, refocusing on what the job is and what the goals are. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 18, 2020 13:56:40 GMT
I think people need to be very careful when discussing national or global issues that they don't project their experience (however valid) on the entirety of the issue. It makes it impossible to really hear other people. Right now there is so much fear on both sides, that the discussion is already coming from a difficult place. A bad analogy, but one that came to mind was when there was a discussion regarding police officers in schools. I am familiar with two schools with embedded sheriffs and personally know both officers. They are phenomenal, not just officers, but human beings. One is a female officer and she's been commended for some of the work she's done around sexual assault with teenagers. They are both also in schools that are not even a little bit diverse. So the potential for negative interaction with minority students is simply not there. I asked several families and teens about the controversy being discussed in surrounding communities and it was universal support for keeping these individuals in the schools. Now that experience may drive my advice/feelings regarding SROs in these particular communities. But it would be a grave mistake to project that onto other communities and ignore some extremely troubling statistics regarding SRO interaction with minority students. At best it's an example of where/how it's being done well.
Sorry for the long story, but so often when I read these threads, I hear too often those frustrated that people don't see their position, but their missing that they're not seeing other peoples. And unfortunately that frustration can then lead to really ugly interactions.
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Post by Kath on Sept 18, 2020 14:20:53 GMT
These conversations always seem to have a similar trend, where one or a few posters are very focused on the “good” that they and their families are doing while missing their complete loss of empathy and inability to step outside themselves and into another person’s shoes.
To stand in those shoes, feel what it’s like, look around, be silent and listen. Hear the crying, feel the pain, see the suffering, the rage boiling up from within at the injustice. It takes stillness and an open mind, and yet that is just a shadow of actually being that person with a lifetime of history and pain. Can you feel the rage?
Some people can’t or aren’t willing to step outside themselves. They lack the ability or they lack the comprehension of how that would even work. They cling desperately to their self-resolved identities, their “house” of ideas about who they are and all of the privileges that come with this. To step outside is to discover that one has been misguided all this time about their reality. Everything becomes shaky and one must deal with new ideas, new views and begin to question everything they previously believed to be true.
It’s easier to stay in the house where it’s safe. To cling to what you know as black and white, gospel truth, the red, white and blue, saying grace, and shutting the curtains to what lies outside.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 18, 2020 14:38:02 GMT
My tone deafness is that I don't understand what black people face if I'm to look and understand what I post according to some PEAS. So let me be crystal clear, I DON'T, I'm not black, I can't put myself in their shoes, I don’t know their lives. My tone deafness is that I can't understand why some think that we don't worry everyday as much as black people do. Tone deaf is correct. You just get more offensive with every post. It's utterly disgusting. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 14:45:55 GMT
Morning ladies, New day, so here goes. I've been told I'm tone deaf so let me try to address that. My tone deafness is that I don't understand what black people face if I'm to look and understand what I post according to some PEAS. So let me be crystal clear, I DON'T, I'm not black, I can't put myself in their shoes, I don’t know their lives. What I do know is I make a difference in black lives in my own way. I volunteer in schools, I engage, support and give my time, heart, knowledge and money to all the kids I come into contact with, have for over 20 years, 9 schools, a million after school programs, sports programs, fundraisers, food banks, clothing drives, holidays, day to day and on and on. I stand up and speak up when I see something wrong. I don't pre-judge a black person when I see them. I support my husband, who spends hours upon hours planning his de-esclation classes, interaction classes and the million other in-service classes he teaches. My tone deafness is that I can't understand why some think that we don't worry everyday as much as black people do. My family is a target every moment of everyday. Every stop, every interaction, every time they pull over to do paperwork, everytime they step out of their car, when they pull into our driveway, when the walk up our steps, on their day off in their own yards. Anifa and BLM Protesters have begun to look up LEO'S families and stand in front of them holding pictures saying while your here we are going to rape and kill them. Making signs of home address, phone numbers, kids schools and on and on.They show up at homes, schools and places of employment of LEO families. So my tone deafness is not done to be spiteful. I might come across as cold and not wanting to hear the other side but I do. I don't wish anyone dead. When a life is taken unjustified it is a tragedy. Regardless if it's a LEO or a POC. Let me be clear about something a Pea brought up, I will NEVER walk in a BLM march, the movement has been taken over by people who don't want change but want chaos and hate. The peaceful protesters are the ones bringing change and any LEO that truly serves and protects welcomes it!!! More training, more body cameras, more money for programs, open door policy, better acces to mental health, more in depth hiriing practices all thing they have been begging for years! But this comes with money that no one wants to give. So yes, I do feel for an innocent POC when a death occurs, it is a tragedy. I will protest through my way by giving, encouraging and inspiring, not by burning, looting, violence and screaming hate. Not to take away from the above, please let me address somethings that have been said. 1)MY husband is never not a LEO officer,many don't understand that and that is your right. His uniform comes off but never does the calling. Everyone knows he is an LEO, we are very active in our community, he has been VERY involoved with me. So the target is always there. We have had many close calls. 2)I don't wear a badge, I don't go on calls, I don't carry a service weapon, I am not a LEO. What I am is a spouse and yes in a way I serve right along with him. I have sleepless nights when he is running late, on a call out, deployed. I listen and help decompress the bad days. I adjust, plan and replan events, vacations, days off, dinners, moments and on and on. I support, defend and speak up when he can't. He is a LEO and has to follow SOP, wives don't. I'm on my first marriage and plan on ONE marriage. 25 years so we must be doing something right. He supports me 100% and I him. I may not wear the badge but I walk the line. Some wives feel differently, who am I to tell a LEO wife how to deal with their marriage. In the end I will say this over and over YOU DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOUR FAMILY, and everyone else can mind their own busines. Some Peas like to say mean things but don't see it. This turns into I don't see the mean comments, no hate has been said and on and on. In the past 4 months I have been called a moron, stupid, racist, ignorant, blind, tone deaf, uncaring, hateful, that my husband must be beating me, my blue family are builles, undeaucated and on and on. Thats the mean and hate. But 2PEAS has been my home for years and I will continue regardless. Take everything above in whatever context you'd like. But know that I will never apologize for standing with, supporting and backing my family. If you've read this thank you. In regards to tone deafness, since I’ve mentioned it here and in another thread. You cannot seem to grasp what the gist of the issue is—again its always met with your limited view from within your bubble. You can be worried about your hubby. No one is asking you to apologize for wanting your family safe. You can also be worried about POC in these situations at the same time. (Which is not apparent) They are separate things. Tone deaf #1–while your husband will ALWAYS be a LEO, even when he does not wear the uniform.... try this—your husband can do the physical act of removing his uniform, but still be an LEO, even “off duty”. No one is disputing that. When he takes off that uniform and goes out and about, people do not visually recognize him as LEO since he’s out of uniform. What peas are saying is that POC cannot remove their skin color, and are immediately discriminated against, are considered suspicious and a danger or up to no good just from the visual of their skin. Very much unlike your civilian clothed husband. Then, you keep arguing that with “my husband is always an LEO” 24/7...And then you get defiant, angry, mad and call us mean. 😉 —— The real BLM is not about being violent. They do not want to go out and hurt or kill people or destroy property. It has become republican rhetoric that “the BLM are terrorists” when it is just not factually true. This is the irony (& tone deaf part of BLM) is your EMPHATIC statement that you’d refuse to join a BLM march because of a few bad protestors. So very similar to the situation where people are wanting to redirect some funding and support and want accountability from police, because of a few bad apples, right? —- The current LEO’s are supposed to be trained to diffuse situations without violence. (I’m not speaking about future training—the here and now LEO’s who have supposedly been trained) however POC are getting killed. Did all these current LEO’s miss training? Ignore it? Decide they’re going to do what they want anyway? Let me ask you this....should George Floyd be dead? Philandro Castile??? Should Jacob Blake have been shot 7 times in the back at close range? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 14:49:20 GMT
These conversations always seem to have a similar trend, where one or a few posters are very focused on the “good” that they and their families are doing while missing their complete loss of empathy and inability to step outside themselves and into another person’s shoes. To stand in those shoes, feel what it’s like, look around, be silent and listen. Hear the crying, feel the pain, see the suffering, the rage boiling up from within at the injustice. It takes stillness and an open mind, and yet that is just a shadow of actually being that person with a lifetime of history and pain. Can you feel the rage? Some people can’t or aren’t willing to step outside themselves. They lack the ability or they lack the comprehension of how that would even work. They cling desperately to their self-resolved identities, their “house” of ideas about who they are and all of the privileges that come with this. To step outside is to discover that one has been misguided all this time about their reality. Everything becomes shaky and one must deal with new ideas, new views and begin to question everything they previously believed to be true. It’s easier to stay in the house where it’s safe. To cling to what you know as black and white, gospel truth, the red, white and blue, saying grace, and shutting the curtains to what lies outside. I think this is so very true, and we are not likely see any difference or change here. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 18, 2020 15:07:20 GMT
... Anifa and BLM Protesters have begun to look up LEO'S families and stand in front of them holding pictures saying while your here we are going to rape and kill them. Making signs of home address, phone numbers, kids schools and on and on.They show up at homes, schools and places of employment of LEO families. So my tone deafness is not done to be spiteful. I might come across as cold and not wanting to hear the other side but I do. I don't wish anyone dead. When a life is taken unjustified it is a tragedy. ... Let me be clear about something a Pea brought up, I will NEVER walk in a BLM march, the movement has been taken over by people who don't want change but want chaos and hate. The peaceful protesters are the ones bringing change and any LEO that truly serves and protects welcomes it!!! ... Just to be clear, you do understand that Antifa and BLM are two very different things right? And do you also understand that a lot of the BLM peaceful protests have been taken over by Antifa, Anarchists and severe right-wing groups who are trying to piggy back onto the peaceful protests, cause chaos, and then shift blame to the BLM protesters because they are "easy scapegoats" already because of the color of their skin and a certain percentage of Americans will believe that bullshit with no proof? By lumping BLM into Antifa it appears to show a lack of empathy and a lack of willingness to listen and learn. And that's a huge part of the problem that's trying to be pointed out here. |
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To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 15:24:17 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. |
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Post by elaine on Sept 18, 2020 15:29:13 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. Between 15 and 26 MILLION people have participated in BLM protests. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.htmlThe violent protesters are actually an extremely small percentage of that. And the percentage of protests (not protesters, but the overall events themselves) that have been peaceful, with no incidents, is 93% of the over 7,750 recorded. time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/There have also been counter-protests - protesters opposing BLM - where 12% turned violent. acleddata.com/acleddatanew/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ACLED_USDataReview_Sum2020_SeptWebPDF_HiRes.pdf |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 15:42:06 GMT
Fox News reporting...LA SEARCH FOR SUSPECTS IN 3 OFFICERS ATTACKS...NJ search for Gunmen after shooting at NJ officers HOME.
Might have started peacful but the hate that has made it's way into the voices needed for change has turned to violence. We will have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 15:46:14 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. So you're willing to throw away a whole BLM movement because of a vanishingly small percentage of violent people who infiltrate the movement to their own ends. But you don't understand people willing to defund and reallocate police funds and protest police violence because of a large number of incidents of police behaving like absolute masochists sadists (thanks peano) on unarmed human beings. Mmkay |
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Post by peano on Sept 18, 2020 15:50:07 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. So you're willing to throw away a whole BLM movement because of a vanishingly small percentage of violent people who infiltrate the movement to their own ends. But you don't understand people willing to defund and reallocate police funds and protest police violence because of a large number of incidents of police behaving like absolute masochists on unarmed human beings. Mmkay I agree, but I think the word you’re going for is sadists. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 15:52:25 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. No, BLM did not seek out a LEO—an individual did. The BLM movement is Not hunting down police. You need to stop spreading incorrect information. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 18, 2020 15:58:10 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. Again, the BLM DID NOT post his address, a stupid crazy person did. Stop disparaging one who group because of the actions of a few. Mustn’t that what you’re trying to say about LEO? That there are more good than bad? It’s crystal clear that you’ll never extend a voice to those who are unnecessarily killed by police. |
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Post by tentoes on Sept 18, 2020 16:04:11 GMT
To those that question why I will never march with protesters for BLM...this was done in the 96 hours preceding the murder of Floyd m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2590296757903154&id=1615821588684014And it has only gotten worse, one only has to look to see the hundfeds of "Peacful Protesters" and their actions. I WILL not give my voice to protests that birth this. Antifta and BLM have attacked LEO families. Here BLM searched for a LEO that was shot by a criminal, in the end the criminal was shot and killed. The LEO that was shot retired and went off grid due to attacks and hate to him and his family. BLM, Peaceful protesters posted his address, wife's employer, children's school, photos and was videoed saying we found him now let make him worry. It's not a handful but the majority who are violent, scream vile disgusting things and instigate trouble. I don't know where people are see that it's only a few...but I guess my head is in the sand. I thank you for being frank and sharing your fears and your daily concerns. It has to be stressful every time your husband leaves home. I also understand that black mothers fear for their children every day when they leave the house. When I grew up, I had an uncle that was a leo, so share your concerns. It has always been a dangerous job--now more than ever. I hope your husband and family remain safe through these times. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 18, 2020 16:17:10 GMT
NJ search for Gunmen after shooting at NJ officers HOME. Link: Where ans when? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 18, 2020 16:51:06 GMT
So do some posters really not realize that they're doing the exact same handwaving about protestors as people are about the police? There are absolutely some serious issues with some protestors (and I say this as someone who attended a protest and who's children have attended multiple protests). There are absolutely issues with some police officers, and I understand completely the need for protesting and support the calls for better accountability, processes, training and removing unfit officers. But part of the divisiveness is about the ability to acknowledge the vitriol and violence that is being flung at LEO right now. People say they want to be in the intersecting quadrant, but a lot of the language really doesn't sound like it when they're actually talking to people.
And I'll bluntly say, please note the SOME as the 3rd word in this post. We often get side tracked where now 10 people who never said anything negative and were sure to acknowledge the fear of the families of LEOs want to weigh in about how I missed xyz - yes I saw and I'm not talking to you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 17:06:12 GMT
NJ search for Gunmen after shooting at NJ officers HOME. Link: Where ans when? It may be the one about the female judge that has links to a specific case. The guy then killed himself. The gunman killer her husband and wounded her son. |
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 18, 2020 17:08:31 GMT
... Anifa and BLM Protesters have begun to look up LEO'S families and stand in front of them holding pictures saying while your here we are going to rape and kill them. Making signs of home address, phone numbers, kids schools and on and on.They show up at homes, schools and places of employment of LEO families. So my tone deafness is not done to be spiteful. I might come across as cold and not wanting to hear the other side but I do. I don't wish anyone dead. When a life is taken unjustified it is a tragedy. ... Let me be clear about something a Pea brought up, I will NEVER walk in a BLM march, the movement has been taken over by people who don't want change but want chaos and hate. The peaceful protesters are the ones bringing change and any LEO that truly serves and protects welcomes it!!! ... Just to be clear, you do understand that Antifa and BLM are two very different things right? And do you also understand that a lot of the BLM peaceful protests have been taken over by Antifa, Anarchists and severe right-wing groups who are trying to piggy back onto the peaceful protests, cause chaos, and then shift blame to the BLM protesters because they are "easy scapegoats" already because of the color of their skin and a certain percentage of Americans will believe that bullshit with no proof? By lumping BLM into Antifa it appears to show a lack of empathy and a lack of willingness to listen and learn. And that's a huge part of the problem that's trying to be pointed out here. No, no she does not. She also doesn't (for the most part) know how to use paragraphs. Make it almost impossible to struggle through the OP. |
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Post by peano on Sept 18, 2020 17:42:42 GMT
It may be the one about the female judge that has links to a specific case. The guy then killed himself. The gunman killer her husband and wounded her son. I doubt this is the same case she’s talking about. This happened back in the summer and her SON was killed and husband wounded. The murderer had white supremacist stuff on his social media and was upset about how the judge ruled against him. She is Latinx. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 18, 2020 17:48:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 18:08:30 GMT
It may be the one about the female judge that has links to a specific case. The guy then killed himself. The gunman killer her husband and wounded her son. I doubt this is the same case she’s talking about. This happened back in the summer and her SON was killed and husband wounded. The murderer had white supremacist stuff on his social media and was upset about how the judge ruled against him. She is Latinx. Oh my bad, got the two mixed up |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 18, 2020 18:13:01 GMT
I missed that one, thank you! |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 18:58:39 GMT
Oh. That explains why I couldn't find anything when she said "the latest shooting". That one was done in May, while the latest shooting was just this past weekend. Interesting to note in that case... “Pat Underwood was murdered because he wore a uniform.” David Anderson, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 18, 2020 19:05:07 GMT
Let’s pretend (general) you are a server in a sports bar. Six men are seated at a table watching the game. All six have their chairs pulled under the table so while you can see they are wearing jeans you can see nothing else from the waist down. They are all wearing a team shirt of the game they are watching; all the same team so as to not have any rivalry. All six have clean cut hairstyles and shaven faces. Not only have you never met these men before you have never seen them before. You walk past their table several times as you are serving a table next to them. The only talk you hear is about the football game they are watching. Five men are white. One man is black. The server for their table is in the weeds and asks you to deliver two beers. One goes to the black man; one goes to the LEO. You easily know how to deliver the first beer. How do you deliver the second? No one is denying that an officer can take off his uniform and black man can't not be black. No one disagrees with that. The disagreement comes in when it's used to say that her fear is less than and to be dismissed. |
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Post by tracylynn on Sept 18, 2020 20:18:01 GMT
Let’s pretend (general) you are a server in a sports bar. Six men are seated at a table watching the game. All six have their chairs pulled under the table so while you can see they are wearing jeans you can see nothing else from the waist down. They are all wearing a team shirt of the game they are watching; all the same team so as to not have any rivalry. All six have clean cut hairstyles and shaven faces. Not only have you never met these men before you have never seen them before. You walk past their table several times as you are serving a table next to them. The only talk you hear is about the football game they are watching. Five men are white. One man is black. The server for their table is in the weeds and asks you to deliver two beers. One goes to the black man; one goes to the LEO. You easily know how to deliver the first beer. How do you deliver the second? No one is denying that an officer can take off his uniform and black man can't not be black. No one disagrees with that. The disagreement comes in when it's used to say that her fear is less than and to be dismissed. Show me where anyone on this thread has dismissed her fear? Nowhere that I can see has anyone done so. It's quite the opposite really. Everyone acknowledges her fear, and her right for fear. She just can't concede that her bias doesn't allow her to see, nor understand, anything outside of her little bubble. |
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