Collin Kartchner passed away...

I could see a grieving spouse wanting to keep the cause of death secret if the deceased died doing something "taboo" or something that has a social stigma attached. Easier than telling the truth or lying about it. Especially if the contributing cause was unknown to the surviving spouse. They're not only dealing with the death, but also questioning the person they thought they knew.

Whatever the cause and for whatever the reason for not sharing, I hope her kids are in therapy. Material things do not heal wounds. At best they are a bandaid - they aren't permanent.

I think the fact that she is not sharing it is just fueling unnecessary drama, but maybe that is what she is seeking? It is odd she said it was a surprise because that implies she thought it was something else. I do have a morbid curiosity on what she thought it was vs what it really was.
I don’t think it would be anything unsavory or she would have just said it was something else so people wouldn’t speculate. If it was something illicit I think she would have rattled off something else, like an Aneurysm, so nobody would ask.

Where did he *actually* die? California? Utah?

edited: were they on vacay or had they just got back? Maybe I should just go read the first few pages! LOL

I found this (x):


I'm unsure about the "surrounded by his family" part but I assume several of the adults, including EK, were by his side as he was taken into hospital where he died. I don't think it was anything unusual à la drug overdose. It just sounds like an underlying condition that may have gone undetected. 

I don't think so. They wouldn't have allowed him to be surrounded by family. Covid-19 units are still very strict but back in October last year, it would've been really difficult to be allowed into a Covid-19 patient's room. At best, one person could've been let in under specific circumstances.

This is also where my head goes. You don’t get that weird and crazy eyed naturally. Maybe he was popping amphetamines and it caused a heart issue or something.

My sister was severely dependent on amphetamines for 25 years. She was married to her husband over 5 years without him knowing anything. It was only when she lost her job and therefore income that the truth came out. Her entire salary was going to drugs. She actually continued using on unemployment until that ran out and was forced into withdrawal. And because I know you’ll want the finish to that story, she continued on the “I’m dying somethings wrong” path never telling her drs that she was coming off of decades of drug abuse-so she saw probably 10 specialists and hundreds of thousands of dollars in tests to be told there was nothing wrong with her. That’s where my info stops because I haven’t spoken to her in 6 years and have no intention of ever doing so eta because somehow IM the crazy one. 🙄

Baseball game. She added to the death story when Myles went to camp months later and she reported he was reluctant and crying. I'm certain she said the kids stayed home, watching the game, and thought she'd return with Collin from ER later that day/night. We discussed the trauma Myles endured and the likely guilt associated with baseball as they continued to watch the game while Collin was in fact dying (which the kids didn't know). She came home to them having to let them know their father had actually passed away.

Yes, complications post Covid-19 à la fatal blood clots, I can see. They would have likely needed an autopsy to figure that out, indeed. But active Covid-19 seems very unlikely. Hospitals are hospitals, however. They wouldn't have let family into the room if he tested positive for Covid-19 at ER/came in a suspected Covid-19 case and died from pneumonia or heart failure directly due to that disease. 

So far, zero advocacy from Liz for prevention or early detection of whatever caused his death (which is a little surprising since they built his brand and business on prevention communication) so really, it's just a guessing game. There are genuine underlying conditions that can suddenly pop up even at Collin's younger age and cause death. We'll see if she decides to share or not. I still shudder at the thought of those IG stories of her kids running up to strangers in parking lots, unmasked, to hand out boxes of cookies they had opened with their bare hands and slipped dollar bills into. Big time yuck.

Collin reminds me of the Richard Dreyfuss character Sam in the movie Once Around. I stopped following her, but the videos she would post of him that she thinks are hilarious make me uncomfortable because he is over the top trying to be the center of attention.

IF EK had never shared all that she did, no one would be curious.

But she over shared. A LOT. And so many personal details. Even ones about her kids.

She brought this on herself.

I don't personally care to know the reason of Collin's death. Freak incidents of nature really do happen and more often than people imagine. Lost someone in their twenties to an undetected underlying condition. He was totally fine in the morning and gone by the end of the day. Devastating. 

I do understand the general public speculation in light of the flood of IG stories EK posted. She has turned Collin's death into a lucrative machine to keep her expensive lifestyle afloat and she has repeatedly used her children and their grief to reap sympathy and money. Her Venmo and the GoFundMe were posted non-stop, including in his official obituary. She kept adding vague pieces to the puzzle even months after his passing, drumming up sympathy. It was exploitative and many of us have expressed genuine concern over the kids' wellbeing in this very thread. 

After thinking too much about this, I wonder if it could be an unknown blood condition like I have? I had no clue I had Factor V Liden until I was in my twenties and had a pulmonary embolism and stroke and almost died. Only then did my Dr check me for this heredity condition....and yep, I had it as well as both my parents. My mom was just a carrier without the actual condition but my dad has the condition and wasn't diagnosed until I was (he was in his early 60's). 

When Covid hit, I was terrified about the blood clots that people were getting. Factor V is a mutation in your clotting factors making abnormal blood clots more likely. And when you do get clots, it makes them harder to treat and become more life threatening and death is a real possibility. 

As far as Liz not saying anything, Drs dont like to diagnose Factor V in people under 18 because once you know you have it, most go on blood thinners immediately and taking those can severely effect what a child can do growing up - its a burden to carry. My own children were not testing until they were 15. Knowledge is power, but in this case its also something to worry about everytime you have a headache, pain in your leg, etc. 

Anyway, maybe there's a reason she isn't sharing. 

Seeing that on her stories is what made me bump this thread. She has done this multiple times over the past year.

I'm with you on this one. I also recall her saying she was glad she hadn't shared as what they initially thought wasn't correct. I don't think we need to know what he died from no matter how public their lives are.