Olan
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Post by Olan on Oct 28, 2020 15:23:01 GMT
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 28, 2020 15:23:32 GMT
I was just saying in another thread that the Peas are trying really, really hard to run people off these days. I don't think it's any worse than the days when the right leaning Peas dominated the board...perhaps they just weren't run off so easily. Is being called a twat across the pond as ugly as it is here? That was the beginning of the end for her. I feel she hung in for the card swap but finally got tired of the ugliness of so many and the hate directed at her.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Oct 28, 2020 15:36:33 GMT
My own experience here is that there are a few very self righteous peas who make any comment they don’t agree with a call to arms. It’s disheartening. Even if a thread is drama free, at some point one of those peas shows up to make it all about them and their opinions and it spirals from there. And then another damn thread is derailed. I’m no shrinking violet, don’t get my feelings hurt by peas I disagree with. I haven’t blocked anyone. But I read less and less here because everything is a battle. And it’s the same battle every time, with the same comments from the same peas all agreeing with each other. And it ends up infecting the most benign threads. I mean, the Christmas card swap turned into a fucking drama post. I wasn’t here when the makeup of the board was mostly conservative, but I wouldn’t be proud that the other side has gone down the same road with shifting demographics. There is no high road here. I agree with you and it’s really sad. I don’t consider myself soft or sensitive, I’ve survived child abuse, an alcoholic marriage, being called racist names because of my race and poverty. A large group of peas have to spread their hate and ugliness into every corner of the board. Sadly they have changed the tone of the board. If you don’t think like them or agree with them you might be next. I was on the old board and yes it could be/was brutal. I think since it was larger and didn’t have that family feel we started with, it was different and less in your face. The board was so much larger the smaller groups were less noticeable if you weren’t involved in them.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Oct 28, 2020 15:55:13 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something?
I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong.
I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations.
I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 28, 2020 15:56:10 GMT
I was on the old board, but don't think I was involved in a lot of the drama or political threads at that time. I also have a bad memory so I could be wrong. Either way, I don't remember what it was like in regards to politics then.
I do think that some of the comments towards peas have gotten very personal and mean. I am not happy that Leowife left, and feel bad that I was the one who commented about why she is fearful of protestors but not the militias, since that is what spurred the other negative comments. I can see where she was coming from in her fear for her husband and law enforcement family. But I was also frustrated that she can't seem to see past herself and gain insight into all sides of the issue. Calling names isn't helpful. I know that sometimes I "like" a post that is harsh (either in my brain or actually hit the like button) because my knee jerk reaction is to agree with it. But I am trying to be more aware of that. I think we should all pay more attention to what we say and respond in a way that we would in person, not just online.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:59:36 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something? I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong. I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations. I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem. 100% this. Many peas tried to get her to see the real problems. But she continually came back with her white lensed LEO views. And she herself said hurtful things about BLM and police brutality. It is not going to go well when you have a racist view point on POC topics. 🤷♀️
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 16:03:21 GMT
My own experience here is that there are a few very self righteous peas who make any comment they don’t agree with a call to arms. It’s disheartening. Even if a thread is drama free, at some point one of those peas shows up to make it all about them and their opinions and it spirals from there. And then another damn thread is derailed. I’m no shrinking violet, don’t get my feelings hurt by peas I disagree with. I haven’t blocked anyone. But I read less and less here because everything is a battle. And it’s the same battle every time, with the same comments from the same peas all agreeing with each other. And it ends up infecting the most benign threads. I mean, the Christmas card swap turned into a fucking drama post. I wasn’t here when the makeup of the board was mostly conservative, but I wouldn’t be proud that the other side has gone down the same road with shifting demographics. There is no high road here. Yep - I love discussion, but everything here has become a fight and if you don't agree with someone then you must be an idiot. This is no longer a happy place for a lot of peas. I don't care for the hate from EITHER political side.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2020 16:10:39 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something? I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong. I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations. I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem. 100% this. Many peas tried to get her to see the real problems. But she continually came back with her white lensed LEO views. And she herself said hurtful things about BLM and police brutality. It is not going to go well when you have a racist view point on POC topics. 🤷♀️ YES to both of these comments. I'll add that it is not longer OK to sit idly by and ignore when people spew their racist bullshit. It needs to be called out. If you don't, then you are just as guilty of it. There is no reasoning with racists. I'm not going to play nice with them. EVER. If that makes me a "pitchfork pea", I will wear that badge proudly.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 16:12:03 GMT
So I'm curious. Is the conservative viewpoint here that if someone comes on and posts some racist, bigoted or fantasy-based claptrap that's easily disproved, everyone else should just nod sagely and say, "Hmmm, interesting opinion?" Or just leave the statement to stand unchallenged?
If so, what value, if any, do you think truth has?
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Post by littlemama on Oct 28, 2020 16:13:23 GMT
Based on her posts in the past few months, I think she probably should have taken a break much sooner than this.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 28, 2020 16:14:41 GMT
To be fair I think there are just a few peas who resort to the very specific, personal and nasty name calling. Although I agree with their sentiment and I do agree with them politically their delivery sucks, so I just put then on ignore. I honestly can think of only 2 or 3 people that do that. Couple that with the 2 or 3 that are just assholes in general and it only makes 6 people. Granted they do post a damn lot, but there are way more peas then those 6. So generalizing that the peas are being overrun with pitchfork peas is ridiculous, imho.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 28, 2020 16:14:49 GMT
I've "only" been around for about 8 years so really can't say what things were like 15+ years ago. I will say that I agree with gmcwife1 that a huge difference was the size and activity of the board - even in the last 8 years. My mom was an ancient pea - although never made the leap to the new board. She used to talk about some nasty, nasty peas but had very little trouble avoiding them as there were lots of places to "play" on the board. Now it's harder and harder to avoid the annoying peas. It's not just that the political discussions are heated - it's that the vast majority of threads are either completely inactive or devolve into the same ugliness. It's at the point where I will not be at all surprised when there's a post about illness/death and people will wade in to be ugly and we'll lose the last vestige of our supportive community.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 28, 2020 16:18:40 GMT
So I'm curious. Is the conservative viewpoint here that if someone comes on and posts some racist, bigoted or fantasy-based claptrap that's easily disproved, everyone else should just nod sagely and say, "Hmmm, interesting opinion?" Or just leave the statement to stand unchallenged? If so, what value, if any, do you think truth has? It's not at all about challenging someone posting something racist - of course people should call out bullshit. It's that there are peas that can't post anything as a handful of peas will immediately bring up something completely unrelated and derail the thread. ETA and if people think that the only nastiness is people calling out racism, you're fooling yourselves. That is not what's going on here.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 16:21:43 GMT
So I'm curious. Is the conservative viewpoint here that if someone comes on and posts some racist, bigoted or fantasy-based claptrap that's easily disproved, everyone else should just nod sagely and say, "Hmmm, interesting opinion?" Or just leave the statement to stand unchallenged? If so, what value, if any, do you think truth has? It's not at all about challenging someone posting something racist - of course people should call out bullshit. It's that there are peas that can't post anything as a handful of peas will immediately bring up something completely unrelated and derail the thread. But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. I don't think your more reasonable view is shared by many of the right-leaning peas, who seem to feel that they should get to say anything they want unchallenged here.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 28, 2020 16:29:28 GMT
So I'm curious. Is the conservative viewpoint here that if someone comes on and posts some racist, bigoted or fantasy-based claptrap that's easily disproved, everyone else should just nod sagely and say, "Hmmm, interesting opinion?" Or just leave the statement to stand unchallenged? If so, what value, if any, do you think truth has? I don’t agree with a lot of things, if I feel passionately enough, I’ll make my opinion known. However a select few just can’t let anything go. I don’t know why peas cannot agree to disagree. Nobody is changing minds with the name calling and tossing of inflammatory labels. If it’s five pages of telling someone you think they’re wrong, I think they know you think they’re wrong. It goes both ways. Nobody is exploring nuances of beliefs. It’s all very black and white tribal behavior. I don’t want this board moderated. However, I also have to decide how much enjoyment I get here. If all we’re left with are the rabid thread hogs and no diversity of thought or position, I guess the prolific peas get what they want and a bubble they can all agree in. That’s not why I’m here. YMMV
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Post by beebee on Oct 28, 2020 16:34:07 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something? I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong. I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations. I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem. I did not agree with Leowife at all on one of her original threads. My husband was a victim of police aggressiveness and I posted my position on it. But she is allowed to have her opinion as well. That is what annoys me about this board. People are mocked and called names and cussed at if they dare to have a different opinion. We should be able to disagree and have a conversation without tearing each other down. I know I am probably wasting my breath posting this, but so be it.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 28, 2020 16:34:20 GMT
It's not at all about challenging someone posting something racist - of course people should call out bullshit. It's that there are peas that can't post anything as a handful of peas will immediately bring up something completely unrelated and derail the thread. But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 28, 2020 16:46:11 GMT
But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. Or threaten to take my kids away. Because that’s a thing nice, normal, reasonable people say all the time/sarcasm.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 16:47:02 GMT
But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. OK. Glad you got that off your chest. Two things I'm going to say, and then I have to go back to work. 1. No one posts in a vacuum. Frequent posters carry their posting history with them, and it colors how others view them. Thus it affects the responses they get. 2. This may come as a shock, but even those of us who post here prolifically probably don't open all or even most threads. I do a quick scan for anything that looks interesting and that's it. If you want to call hypocrisy because I (or someone else) failed to call out misbehavior on one thread that we had an another, I've got nothing for you except to say that I think that's an unreasonable charge.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 16:48:11 GMT
You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. Or threaten to take my kids away. Because that’s a thing nice, normal, reasonable people say all the time/sarcasm. But I didn't do that. I do still think that you're the biggest danger to your kids that there is right now.
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J u l e e
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 28, 2020 16:53:35 GMT
To be fair I think there are just a few peas who resort to the very specific, personal and nasty name calling. Although I agree with their sentiment and I do agree with them politically their delivery sucks, so I just put then on ignore. I honestly can think of only 2 or 3 people that do that. Couple that with the 2 or 3 that are just assholes in general and it only makes 6 people. Granted they do post a damn lot, but there are way more peas then those 6. So generalizing that the peas are being overrun with pitchfork peas is ridiculous, imho. Agreed, except I don’t have anyone on ignore. But especially that last sentence. There are posters with aggressive posting styles and posters who are so sensitive that they leave because of it. But there is also a vast amount of us in between who are hanging in here with all the various personalities and posting styles and topics of discussion and differing viewpoints and directions this board has leaned. Its not for everyone, and the blame game every time this happens is ridiculous.
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Post by *KAS* on Oct 28, 2020 17:23:46 GMT
I was just saying in another thread that the Peas are trying really, really hard to run people off these days. I don't think it's any worse than the days when the right leaning Peas dominated the board...perhaps they just weren't run off so easily. I don't know...I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. It made me sad overall to see where we are as a country as somebody who is pretty much in the middle. I used to be pretty conservative. Now I'd identify as more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I think A LOT of people identify that way, but there's not a candidate for us. That said, I'm open to hearing from either side of the main party and as somebody in that position, I feel confident in saying that BOTH sides are too extreme these days. It's really awful. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other.
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Post by gar on Oct 28, 2020 17:38:34 GMT
I don't think it's any worse than the days when the right leaning Peas dominated the board...perhaps they just weren't run off so easily. I don't know...I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. It made me sad overall to see where we are as a country as somebody who is pretty much in the middle. I used to be pretty conservative. Now I'd identify as more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I think A LOT of people identify that way, but there's not a candidate for us. That said, I'm open to hearing from either side of the main party and as somebody in that position, I feel confident in saying that BOTH sides are too extreme these days. It's really awful. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other. I do think the current US political situation has had a massive effect on this board. It evokes incredibly strong feelings in people....things that have never been seen/experienced before are, and have been, happening almost daily (unlike any former presidency as far as I can see) and that has led to a feeling of incredulity in many folk and thus it is brought here and discussed with the inevitable fallout I guess. gmcwife1 - I really don't like that word, so I would say it's ugly but not the worst I can think of
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Oct 28, 2020 18:09:58 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something? I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong. I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations. I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem. I did not agree with Leowife at all on one of her original threads. My husband was a victim of police aggressiveness and I posted my position on it. But she is allowed to have her opinion as well. That is what annoys me about this board. People are mocked and called names and cussed at if they dare to have a different opinion. We should be able to disagree and have a conversation without tearing each other down. I know I am probably wasting my breath posting this, but so be it. She is certainly entitled to her opinion. But we are also entitled to express our opinions that she is tone deaf and doubles-down when she is clearly wrong. This thread includes multiple examples of how she never engages in self-reflection but instead doubles-down on her "victimization" as the wife of an LEO and the "discrimination/persecution" they face, even when peas who disagree with her position are expressing empathy for her DH and her situation. It is especially telling on page 8 where she absolutely defends an awful traffic stop (which is recorded on time-stamped video proving the person being pulled over acted quite reasonably) with a "but what if policy requires ...." when even if policy required what she said it did, it was still a horrible way to approach the stop. She never ONCE acknowledged the aggressiveness of the officer in this police stop and just kept defending it. That pretty much describes her interaction on most LEO threads.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 28, 2020 18:30:03 GMT
I don't think it's any worse than the days when the right leaning Peas dominated the board...perhaps they just weren't run off so easily. I don't know...I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. It made me sad overall to see where we are as a country as somebody who is pretty much in the middle. I used to be pretty conservative. Now I'd identify as more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I think A LOT of people identify that way, but there's not a candidate for us. That said, I'm open to hearing from either side of the main party and as somebody in that position, I feel confident in saying that BOTH sides are too extreme these days. It's really awful. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other. Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
I don't know...I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. It made me sad overall to see where we are as a country as somebody who is pretty much in the middle. I used to be pretty conservative. Now I'd identify as more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I think A LOT of people identify that way, but there's not a candidate for us. That said, I'm open to hearing from either side of the main party and as somebody in that position, I feel confident in saying that BOTH sides are too extreme these days. It's really awful. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other. Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Oct 28, 2020 18:39:00 GMT
I don't think it's any worse than the days when the right leaning Peas dominated the board...perhaps they just weren't run off so easily. I think peas are being a lot more personal in their attacks. Nope. There was lots of volatile when Obama was President.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2020 18:40:08 GMT
I don't know...I saw somebody yesterday (wasn't paying attention to who it was, but I know others agreed with them) that said they didn't care if there were any conservatives on this board or something to that effect. It made me sad overall to see where we are as a country as somebody who is pretty much in the middle. I used to be pretty conservative. Now I'd identify as more fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I think A LOT of people identify that way, but there's not a candidate for us. That said, I'm open to hearing from either side of the main party and as somebody in that position, I feel confident in saying that BOTH sides are too extreme these days. It's really awful. I wish more people could be on the outside looking in and see how awful they are treating each other and be willing to listen and learn from each other. Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Oct 28, 2020 18:44:23 GMT
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. I just read an article my uncle posted on FB about some recently released tapes of conversations between Woodward and Jared Kushner. Jared said that Trump did a full hostile takeover of the Republican party, like it was a good thing. In speaking with Woodward, Kushner also expressed contempt for the Republican Party and praised his father-in-law's insurgent takeover of the GOP. "I say he basically did a full hostile takeover of the Republican Party," he said on April 18. "And I don't think it's even as much about the issues. I think it's about the attitude." Here is the article if you would like to read it. Lots of shitty stuff in there, from the mouth of Jared himself. edition.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1YOwG77LB6cvJ8QM9TpKBqhsg9k5uX5NqUNA3J887wMyum8YD7g-0Hf-4
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 28, 2020 18:49:13 GMT
Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. There were some who chose not to be abused (speaking of the liberal voices from the Bush Jr. days) and did leave (the conservative bullies were that bad) - which was their choice and I respect them for that...but you are right, the core group stayed and persevered.
I credit these peas for helping me to see things from their points of view. I may not always agree with them but I always appreciate the discussion and I always learn something new. The discussions I've had here I could never have in real life with either Democrats or Republicans. Most are conflict-avoidant and that's understandable when looking to preserve relationships instead unleashing the nuclear option and obliterating everything altogether.
We have blow ups here all the time...then we have times we all come back together again, usually to support someone going through something awful. For me that's what makes this place so interesting.
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