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Post by elaine on Oct 29, 2020 0:56:30 GMT
Oh wow I don’t remember AN being part of the outing. When she was outed on here a couple of years ago I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t know she had a previous history of being like that. Thanks for clearing that up. Like I said I didn’t have any problems with the existence of the LLP board. Elaine, so glad to hear of Fern's reach out to you! That brings my heart joy.  Hugs! Yes, she really is a good person. ❤️ I’ve lost touch, but hear about her from time to time from a mutual friend. Not that it matters, but I wasn’t thinking of you when I mentioned the active poster that was a part of a right leaning board. 😄 I do think we are a good example of people who have been able to remain pea friends throughout the years even though we started out on very different sides of the political aisle. You have always been one of my favorite peas. 🥰 |
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Post by megop on Oct 29, 2020 0:57:41 GMT
Elaine, so glad to hear of Fern's reach out to you! That brings my heart joy. Hugs! Yes, she really is a good person. ❤️ I’ve lost touch, but hear about her from time to time from a mutual friend. Not that it matters, but I wasn’t thinking of you when I mentioned the active poster that was a part of a right leaning board. 😄 I do think we are a good example of people who have been able to remain pea friends throughout the years even though we started out on very different sides of the political aisle. You have always been one of my favorite peas. 🥰 And you mine dear friend. HUGS!!! Edited to add: At least one wisdom I've gain over the years is own my own sh!t! Good, bad and/or ugly.  |
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Post by MichyM on Oct 29, 2020 0:59:05 GMT
Laurie, I’m trying to keep peas straight, and one of your posts reminded me, weren’t you once “Emily’s Mom?”
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Post by Laurie on Oct 29, 2020 1:24:58 GMT
Laurie, I’m trying to keep peas straight, and one of your posts reminded me, weren’t you once “Emily’s Mom?” MomtoEmily I think. It’s in my siggy but I can’t see those when using my phone. When I joined here I had another child so didn’t want to keep that same name...plus I am kind of over being identified as Emily’s mom or Lexi’s mom. |
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Post by Really Red on Oct 29, 2020 12:25:49 GMT
But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. Sigh. Republicans read exactly what they want to read and your ugly response is indicative of that. I will have 9 people outside, social distancing with masks. That is exactly what I said and that is what people read. Not 5 households in my house. So Darcy Collins, if you're looking to say "fuck you" to someone, I suggest a mirror. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 29, 2020 14:41:39 GMT
You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. Sigh. Republicans read exactly what they want to read and your ugly response is indicative of that. I will have 9 people outside, social distancing with masks. That is exactly what I said and that is what people read. Not 5 households in my house. So Darcy Collins , if you're looking to say "fuck you" to someone, I suggest a mirror. I didn't misread anything - your plan is exactly against Newsome's guidelines - but of course it's fine - cause it's what you want. Typical. Oh so typical. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 29, 2020 15:28:05 GMT
It's not at all about challenging someone posting something racist - of course people should call out bullshit. It's that there are peas that can't post anything as a handful of peas will immediately bring up something completely unrelated and derail the thread. But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. I don't think your more reasonable view is shared by many of the right-leaning peas, who seem to feel that they should get to say anything they want unchallenged here. This was not at all about anyone but leowife. On a thread I titled I'm really sorry to see leowife gone, I wrote and meant absolutely nothing more than: It's sad to see a long time member go. Your contributions and YOU will be missed by many. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 16:40:14 GMT
You know - I call out bullshit all the time, and I'm called a whole lot of things. I'm kind of sick of this continuous reaction when people point out that there are some bitches on here - and in general the board is not as entertaining - 'oh no the conservative peas are snowflakes calling us mean" coupled with "it was way worse back in the day." And yes the hypocrisy over every damn subject. Hell look at this week - people lost their ever loving minds when people said anything negative at all about Newsome's call for a 3 household limit to Thanksgiving - and yet one of the very posters on that thread about how awesome it was posts about having 5 households for a birthday party and there's crickets - where are the you selfish bastard why don't you "just stay the fuck home" to Really Red I guarantee you if myshelly had posted about having her 4 couples over for a birthday part we'd have 7 pages of you fucking monster I hope you die. Every damn thread is this way - add on the posters who seem to have nothing better to do than scour the world for every moron doing something stupid - and if they're conservative or religious we'll be lucky enough to see yet another thread about it. Sigh. Republicans read exactly what they want to read and your ugly response is indicative of that. I will have 9 people outside, social distancing with masks. That is exactly what I said and that is what people read. Not 5 households in my house. So Darcy Collins, if you're looking to say "fuck you" to someone, I suggest a mirror. Do all 9 people live in your house? Or are the 9 people from different pods? How many pods? Let me guess, 5?! |
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Post by Really Red on Oct 29, 2020 17:20:55 GMT
Sigh. Republicans read exactly what they want to read and your ugly response is indicative of that. I will have 9 people outside, social distancing with masks. That is exactly what I said and that is what people read. Not 5 households in my house. So Darcy Collins , if you're looking to say "fuck you" to someone, I suggest a mirror. I didn't misread anything - your plan is exactly against Newsome's guidelines - but of course it's fine - cause it's what you want. Typical. Oh so typical. I don't live in CA. ETA: I would absolutely follow his guidelines if I did. |
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Post by marmargirl on Oct 29, 2020 17:43:56 GMT
It's sad to see a long time member go. Your contributions and YOU will be missed by many. I don’t understand the bolded part. If she’s gone, why direct this to her? It seems it’s more of a post to start something with those that will read it. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 29, 2020 18:42:48 GMT
I didn't misread anything - your plan is exactly against Newsome's guidelines - but of course it's fine - cause it's what you want. Typical. Oh so typical. I don't live in CA. ETA: I would absolutely follow his guidelines if I did. You're missing the point. I don't care if you have 5 households over for dinner. I'm not judging your birthday party. I'm discussing the EXTREME variability of responses. I invite you to go back and reread that 14+ pager and how often moron, killing and selfish was used to describe anyone who didn't think a 3 household, outdoor only mandate was a good idea. It didn't matter what their individual state rules were - the overall consensus was that the Newsome guidelines were commonsense and anyone who didn't think so was a selfish bastard responsible for 200,000 Americans dying - oh and didn't believe in science. Now of course myshelly helped the cluster that was that thread by throwing in seatbelt laws, Nascar and her general desire to poke the puppy. But the venom was certainly not restricted to her - it was yet another example of a complete inability to actually discuss things in any reasonable way. And yes when the people who want to say how great the policy is and people are selfish for not adhering turn around and do something very different, it gives a distinct feeling that many are way more interesting in joining the pile on than actually believe the policy - or at least enough to implement it in their own life. And I'm sorry if you feel called out - it was just the most recent example but certainly not an isolated example. We've seen it over and over again these last few months where the peas will lose their collective minds over someone discussing going to a funeral and then turn around and offer nothing but support for another pea who holds one. The absolute floor to me was the pile on of a pea who talked about taking her special needs child out on a car ride to calm him/her during the height of SIP - the response was ugly - so so ugly and I'm sorry when a few days later some other pea talks about needing to get fabric for their mental health and the response is how important mental health is right now - you go girl - it leaves a distinct impression of whether this community is actually as supportive as they think they are. |
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Post by Really Red on Oct 29, 2020 20:03:00 GMT
I don't live in CA. ETA: I would absolutely follow his guidelines if I did. You're missing the point. I don't care if you have 5 households over for dinner. I'm not judging your birthday party. I'm discussing the EXTREME variability of responses. I invite you to go back and reread that 14+ pager and how often moron, killing and selfish was used to describe anyone who didn't think a 3 household, outdoor only mandate was a good idea. It didn't matter what their individual state rules were - the overall consensus was that the Newsome guidelines were commonsense and anyone who didn't think so was a selfish bastard responsible for 200,000 Americans dying - oh and didn't believe in science. Now of course myshelly helped the cluster that was that thread by throwing in seatbelt laws, Nascar and her general desire to poke the puppy. But the venom was certainly not restricted to her - it was yet another example of a complete inability to actually discuss things in any reasonable way. And yes when the people who want to say how great the policy is and people are selfish for not adhering turn around and do something very different, it gives a distinct feeling that many are way more interesting in joining the pile on than actually believe the policy - or at least enough to implement it in their own life. And I'm sorry if you feel called out - it was just the most recent example but certainly not an isolated example. We've seen it over and over again these last few months where the peas will lose their collective minds over someone discussing going to a funeral and then turn around and offer nothing but support for another pea who holds one. The absolute floor to me was the pile on of a pea who talked about taking her special needs child out on a car ride to calm him/her during the height of SIP - the response was ugly - so so ugly and I'm sorry when a few days later some other pea talks about needing to get fabric for their mental health and the response is how important mental health is right now - you go girl - it leaves a distinct impression of whether this community is actually as supportive as they think they are. I appreciate the context. Thank you. I think (and I mean this kindly, really), that you need to take into consideration a lot of factors. While I do not necessarily disagree with you completely, I do not agree either. You have clearly made a point, but in order to be right, you would have to see that every person who responds to each thread are the exact same people, right? In my specific case, I live in a place where there is little virus and my small group is taking every precaution anyone would take in a high-risk area, or like going to a grocery store. So not apples-apples like you are comparing either. I also think (and I remember the thread, but not all the details) that when someone makes a big fat statement that they are going to do what they want, when they want, it hits most of us the wrong way. Response is often to HOW you state things, rather than WHAT you state. Now, I cannot say for sure about that specific thread, but I have seen enough of these threads over the years to note that sometimes there are people who just give a giant middle finger to everyone and the reactions you see are as a result of that, rather than any specific content. So that is why I personally believe that people react differently to things that you personally see as the same. They (IMO) are just not the same. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 29, 2020 22:24:35 GMT
I don’t understand the bolded part. If she’s gone, why direct this to her? I seem to remember other threads like this one were started when someone quietly deleted their account. On those threads folks would say goodbye and wonder why they left. Kind of like this thread and the other thread. It seems it’s more of a post to start something with those that will read it. 🤷🏼♀️ That's your mindset, not mine. My mindset was perfectly summed up by Freddie that I quoted from the other thread. That's ALL there was to my post when I posted it. I wanted to say TO HER exactly what I said, on the off chance that she followed human nature and looked. |
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Post by sasha on Oct 29, 2020 22:49:32 GMT
I don't live in CA. ETA: I would absolutely follow his guidelines if I did. You're missing the point. I don't care if you have 5 households over for dinner. I'm not judging your birthday party. I'm discussing the EXTREME variability of responses. I invite you to go back and reread that 14+ pager and how often moron, killing and selfish was used to describe anyone who didn't think a 3 household, outdoor only mandate was a good idea. It didn't matter what their individual state rules were - the overall consensus was that the Newsome guidelines were commonsense and anyone who didn't think so was a selfish bastard responsible for 200,000 Americans dying - oh and didn't believe in science. Now of course myshelly helped the cluster that was that thread by throwing in seatbelt laws, Nascar and her general desire to poke the puppy. But the venom was certainly not restricted to her - it was yet another example of a complete inability to actually discuss things in any reasonable way. And yes when the people who want to say how great the policy is and people are selfish for not adhering turn around and do something very different, it gives a distinct feeling that many are way more interesting in joining the pile on than actually believe the policy - or at least enough to implement it in their own life. And I'm sorry if you feel called out - it was just the most recent example but certainly not an isolated example. We've seen it over and over again these last few months where the peas will lose their collective minds over someone discussing going to a funeral and then turn around and offer nothing but support for another pea who holds one. The absolute floor to me was the pile on of a pea who talked about taking her special needs child out on a car ride to calm him/her during the height of SIP - the response was ugly - so so ugly and I'm sorry when a few days later some other pea talks about needing to get fabric for their mental health and the response is how important mental health is right now - you go girl - it leaves a distinct impression of whether this community is actually as supportive as they think they are. Not saying this has happened here, but in real life, I notice that some of my FB friends that are the most militant and judgmental about any activity during COVID-19 are also the ones that post pics from their very non-essential activities such as getting their nails done and antiquing. Damn anyone that wants to hold a socially distanced anything following current guidelines, but getting nails done? Very, very important. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 29, 2020 23:12:07 GMT
I think the intent of my post is being missed. Or more likely I didn’t choose my words carefully enough. Happens when I post from my phone vs a real computer. It wasn’t meant to be accusatory of the LLP’s...not at all. I did preface that comment by saying I believe. I thought that was how the whole “outing” of the LLP occurred. Similar to the other side boards like grumpeas and unscrappables (I think that was the name?). If that is incorrect I apologize. I also wasn’t implying that people left 2 peas to post there. Re-reading it though I can see how my wording was poor and unclear. I meant it as 2 separate things. Some people left because of Bush. The other implying some people left because I assume they found the other board a better fit and found themself posting there more. Some people posted at both boards. I will admit that I was on the grumpeas board and during that time I didn’t visit 2 peas as often. At that point the private, no anonymous lurking peas and small amount of members was a better fit for me. I assume the LLP felt the same way. Again my post was not intended as a slam against the LLP board or its member. As stated in a later post it was meant to be about how both parties get shit on from the other side and was like that on the old board too. I think sometimes we can remember our similarities rather than getting so hostile with one another over our differences. I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” I remember that thread; it got vicious. I don’t think that this board is all that different from the old board, except: -It isn’t as mean -There seems to be less of a need to *prove* the contents of posts. On the old board, if you stated something, you had to be able to back it up. That’s my perception, anyhow. |
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Post by megop on Oct 30, 2020 1:13:44 GMT
I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” I remember that thread; it got vicious. I don’t think that this board is all that different from the old board, except: -It isn’t as mean -There seems to be less of a need to *prove* the contents of posts. On the old board, if you stated something, you had to be able to back it up. That’s my perception, anyhow. Oh goodness yes. The endless, endless links to this that and the other only to delve into the validity of the source of content argument. Good for at least 10 or more pages. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 30, 2020 1:32:26 GMT
But we are frequently called "mean" - or have passive aggressive posts like this one (the OP) directed at us - for calling out bullshit. I don't think your more reasonable view is shared by many of the right-leaning peas, who seem to feel that they should get to say anything they want unchallenged here. This was not at all about anyone but leowife. On a thread I titled I'm really sorry to see leowife gone, I wrote and meant absolutely nothing more than: It's sad to see a long time member go. Your contributions and YOU will be missed by many. Well, don't worry. I'm sure she'll come back, just like you did. |
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Post by marmargirl on Oct 30, 2020 3:19:33 GMT
I don’t understand the bolded part. If she’s gone, why direct this to her? I seem to remember other threads like this one were started when someone quietly deleted their account. On those threads folks would say goodbye and wonder why they left. Kind of like this thread and the other thread. It seems it’s more of a post to start something with those that will read it. 🤷🏼♀️ That's your mindset, not mine. My mindset was perfectly summed up by Freddie that I quoted from the other thread. That's ALL there was to my post when I posted it. I wanted to say TO HER exactly what I said, on the off chance that she followed human nature and looked. I find it odd that someone would go to the trouble of deleting their account and send a goodbye email to some members, and yet still come back to the board to look. What’s the point? I wouldn’t call that human nature, it seems more attention-seeking to me. Why not just take a break instead of going through the pomp and circumstance of deleting and sending goodbye messages. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 30, 2020 3:54:08 GMT
That's your mindset, not mine. My mindset was perfectly summed up by Freddie that I quoted from the other thread. That's ALL there was to my post when I posted it. I wanted to say TO HER exactly what I said, on the off chance that she followed human nature and looked. I find it odd that someone would go to the trouble of deleting their account and send a goodbye email to some members, and yet still come back to the board to look. What’s the point? I wouldn’t call that human nature, it seems more attention-seeking to me. Why not just take a break instead of going through the pomp and circumstance of deleting and sending goodbye messages. People have silently left without saying a word to anyone. No attention seeking, no pomp and circumstances, and STILL it was aggressively asserted that THAT was an attention seeking hair flip. People are going to see what they want to see. And with all the different types, there's just no pleasing everybody. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 1, 2020 10:10:54 GMT
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple.That's not true. THAT is a dangerous and extreme ideology that was created the moment Hillary created her basket metaphor. She created it in order to dehumanize those that don't vote for her. She created it to make it completely unacceptable to vote any other way but for her. Like a lot of things she created, she created it to WIN. But her supporters picked it up and ran with it as a way of life. They now work to dehumanize "other" in order to force their way as the only way. And it spread. The act of taking away someone's humanity is only the first step in justification and rationalization of abuse and violence and yes even killing. Trump supporters have become the "other" for you to hate BECAUSE they are "other". That terrible thing you say that all Trump supporters do? You're doing it by pushing that extremist hate onto them. That ideology is dividing the country and encouraging all the physical and mental attacks on people wearing a red hat or anything showing support for Trump in any way. That ideology encourages hate. The fact is, yes there are racist Trump supporters, just as there are racist Biden supporters. But just as most Biden supporters aren't racist, neither are most Trump supporters. No matter how many people you get to say otherwise. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 3, 2020 22:16:07 GMT
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple.That's not true. THAT is a dangerous and extreme ideology that was created the moment Hillary created her basket metaphor. She created it in order to dehumanize those that don't vote for her. She created it to make it completely unacceptable to vote any other way but for her. Like a lot of things she created, she created it to WIN. But her supporters picked it up and ran with it as a way of life. They now work to dehumanize "other" in order to force their way as the only way. And it spread. The act of taking away someone's humanity is only the first step in justification and rationalization of abuse and violence and yes even killing. Trump supporters have become the "other" for you to hate BECAUSE they are "other". That terrible thing you say that all Trump supporters do? You're doing it by pushing that extremist hate onto them. That ideology is dividing the country and encouraging all the physical and mental attacks on people wearing a red hat or anything showing support for Trump in any way. That ideology encourages hate. The fact is, yes there are racist Trump supporters, just as there are racist Biden supporters. But just as most Biden supporters aren't racist, neither are most Trump supporters. No matter how many people you get to say otherwise. And I should have said it before, but leowife is not racist. None of her posts were racist and she is not racist. |
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Nov 3, 2020 23:02:57 GMT
Is it just killing you that this thread might die?
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Post by cycworker on Nov 4, 2020 2:30:36 GMT
That's not true. THAT is a dangerous and extreme ideology that was created the moment Hillary created her basket metaphor. She created it in order to dehumanize those that don't vote for her. She created it to make it completely unacceptable to vote any other way but for her. Like a lot of things she created, she created it to WIN. But her supporters picked it up and ran with it as a way of life. They now work to dehumanize "other" in order to force their way as the only way. And it spread. The act of taking away someone's humanity is only the first step in justification and rationalization of abuse and violence and yes even killing. Trump supporters have become the "other" for you to hate BECAUSE they are "other". That terrible thing you say that all Trump supporters do? You're doing it by pushing that extremist hate onto them. That ideology is dividing the country and encouraging all the physical and mental attacks on people wearing a red hat or anything showing support for Trump in any way. That ideology encourages hate. The fact is, yes there are racist Trump supporters, just as there are racist Biden supporters. But just as most Biden supporters aren't racist, neither are most Trump supporters. No matter how many people you get to say otherwise. And I should have said it before, but leowife is not racist. None of her posts were racist and she is not racist. That isn't what Clinton said. She said that there was portion of his voters who were the deplorables... the KKK types, the Islamophobes, the Birthers, etc. She said those folks felt at home with Trump & that group was never going to be swayed. She was hoping reasonable Republicans & Independents would see that Trump was giving cover to those folks, and that they were be repelled enough to refuse to vote for Trump as a result of him having the support of those people. It didn't happen. And to be fair, I can understand why. Those people have always existed. They've never been given enough power to influence policy. And there was hope that mainstream Republicans would keep him in check. They refused to do their duty. At this point, Trump has shown us who he is - a racist, vile monster. If you can look beyond his obvious moral failings at this point, you're part of the problem. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 4, 2020 2:34:54 GMT
That's not true. THAT is a dangerous and extreme ideology that was created the moment Hillary created her basket metaphor. She created it in order to dehumanize those that don't vote for her. She created it to make it completely unacceptable to vote any other way but for her. Like a lot of things she created, she created it to WIN. But her supporters picked it up and ran with it as a way of life. They now work to dehumanize "other" in order to force their way as the only way. And it spread. The act of taking away someone's humanity is only the first step in justification and rationalization of abuse and violence and yes even killing. Trump supporters have become the "other" for you to hate BECAUSE they are "other". That terrible thing you say that all Trump supporters do? You're doing it by pushing that extremist hate onto them. That ideology is dividing the country and encouraging all the physical and mental attacks on people wearing a red hat or anything showing support for Trump in any way. That ideology encourages hate. The fact is, yes there are racist Trump supporters, just as there are racist Biden supporters. But just as most Biden supporters aren't racist, neither are most Trump supporters. No matter how many people you get to say otherwise. And I should have said it before, but leowife is not racist. None of her posts were racist and she is not racist. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up!!! |
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 4, 2020 5:39:41 GMT
People have silently left without saying a word to anyone. No attention seeking, no pomp and circumstances, and STILL it was aggressively asserted that THAT was an attention seeking hair flip. I actually kind of agree with you on this one. There have been conservative leaning peas who left, they did not start a thread, didn't make a comment on another thread about leaving, just deleted their account and they were gone. I don't think I've seen comments saying THAT was an attention seeking hairflip.
There has been a very small number of peas that have said they are fucking coward cry babies for leaving. I think that's uncalled for. Who knows why they leave if nothing is said? It's likely a number of reasons. I don't get the hatred about them no longer being here when they weren't liked in the first place by the name callers.  If a pea leaves that you can't stand, isn't it a relief you don't have to read their comments on threads; especially political?
I also don't see a point in starting this thread when leowife chose to delete her account and email a few people in the card swap. It might have been better to see if one of the card swap participants would reach out to her and let her know you were thinking of her.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 11, 2020 3:14:33 GMT
People have silently left without saying a word to anyone. No attention seeking, no pomp and circumstances, and STILL it was aggressively asserted that THAT was an attention seeking hair flip. I actually kind of agree with you on this one. There have been conservative leaning peas who left, they did not start a thread, didn't make a comment on another thread about leaving, just deleted their account and they were gone. I don't think I've seen comments saying THAT was an attention seeking hairflip.
There has been a very small number of peas that have said they are fucking coward cry babies for leaving. I think that's uncalled for. Who knows why they leave if nothing is said? It's likely a number of reasons. I don't get the hatred about them no longer being here when they weren't liked in the first place by the name callers. If a pea leaves that you can't stand, isn't it a relief you don't have to read their comments on threads; especially political?
I also don't see a point in starting this thread when leowife chose to delete her account and email a few people in the card swap. It might have been better to see if one of the card swap participants would reach out to her and let her know you were thinking of her.
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Hugs!
If a pea leaves that you can't stand, isn't it a relief you don't have to read their comments on threads; especially political?