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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 28, 2020 18:53:04 GMT
Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple. I agree. I was actually debating starting another thread asking about this, but I'll post it here for now. I saw this article today and thought there was some good info in it, but part of me feels that by trying to sound neutral and making it a "both sides" issue, I am being gaslighted by people who want to think that it is just a difference in opinion. I also hear a lot of Trump supporters express fears that are totally irrational. Such as "not wanting to live in a socialist country" or "we are going to turn into a 3rd world country" all while being ok with armed militias in the streets--because they are white guys. www.mprnews.org/story/2020/10/27/npr-dude-i-m-done-when-politics-tears-families-and-friendships-apart?fbclid=IwAR0IS9xigFdWPtcKWRuCzlPtOHPFykDfKlbgmUhdBfRGyFzyrEwRmbCQT4g |
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Post by Just T on Oct 28, 2020 18:53:28 GMT
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.I agree with what I bolded 100% The problem is that I rarely see those who support Trump actually give reasons why. They only start rah rah threads about rallies, or come onto other threads to say that conservatives don't post here because they are just shut down and silenced. One time someone did post a long list, but it was copied from the WH website, so not exactly a reliable source. I understand leowife supporting him--I know lots of people in LEO, and they all do. But other than that, I would love to see someone say why he is so great and why they support him. My facebook feed is chock full of people who post about how he is the greatest president in history, blah blah blah, but they never say WHY they think he is. What has he done that is so wonderful? I would like to be enlightened! So many people I know think Melania is the greatest and best and classiest FLOTUS since Jackie Kennedy. Why?? What has she done? She dresses nice and is pretty? Is that the criteria for being a great FLOTUS? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 28, 2020 18:56:55 GMT
Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple. The issues with this board go way beyond Trumpism. I have already voted and voted for Biden. I have never been a Trump supporter and you're more than welcome to go back to when he first declared he was going to run as my reaction was WTF. Simply pointing out when someone posts something blatantly false is met with derision and profanity. Someone frustrated with SIP orders is vilified. There was a multi page echo chamber rant on how fiscal conservatism really means you're a selfish bastard. Stop pretending that anytime someone disagrees with you they're an evil trump supporter and perhaps we could actually have dialogue on this board again. |
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Post by Olan on Oct 28, 2020 19:03:08 GMT
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple. The issues with this board go way beyond Trumpism. I have already voted and voted for Biden. I have never been a Trump supporter and you're more than welcome to go back to when he first declared he was going to run as my reaction was WTF. Simply pointing out when someone posts something blatantly false is met with derision and profanity. Someone frustrated with SIP orders is vilified. There was a multi page echo chamber rant on how fiscal conservatism really means you're a selfish bastard. Stop pretending that anytime someone disagrees with you they're an evil trump supporter and perhaps we could actually have dialogue on this board again. Come on gals. No fighting. Remember Merge 😉 |
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 19:08:26 GMT
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple. The issues with this board go way beyond Trumpism. I have already voted and voted for Biden. I have never been a Trump supporter and you're more than welcome to go back to when he first declared he was going to run as my reaction was WTF. Simply pointing out when someone posts something blatantly false is met with derision and profanity. Someone frustrated with SIP orders is vilified. There was a multi page echo chamber rant on how fiscal conservatism really means you're a selfish bastard. Stop pretending that anytime someone disagrees with you they're an evil trump supporter and perhaps we could actually have dialogue on this board again. I ... wasn’t responding to you or anything you said. |
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Post by beebee on Oct 28, 2020 19:26:08 GMT
I did not agree with Leowife at all on one of her original threads. My husband was a victim of police aggressiveness and I posted my position on it. But she is allowed to have her opinion as well. That is what annoys me about this board. People are mocked and called names and cussed at if they dare to have a different opinion. We should be able to disagree and have a conversation without tearing each other down. I know I am probably wasting my breath posting this, but so be it. She is certainly entitled to her opinion. But we are also entitled to express our opinions that she is tone deaf and doubles-down when she is clearly wrong. This thread includes multiple examples of how she never engages in self-reflection but instead doubles-down on her "victimization" as the wife of an LEO and the "discrimination/persecution" they face, even when peas who disagree with her position are expressing empathy for her DH and her situation. It is especially telling on page 8 where she absolutely defends an awful traffic stop (which is recorded on time-stamped video proving the person being pulled over acted quite reasonably) with a "but what if policy requires ...." when even if policy required what she said it did, it was still a horrible way to approach the stop. She never ONCE acknowledged the aggressiveness of the officer in this police stop and just kept defending it. That pretty much describes her interaction on most LEO threads. And I am not disagreeing with you at all. I don't have a problem with pushing back on something. But if it is clear that people are set on not moving on their position (which they have that right), wouldn't it be better to just let it go and move on?? Instead the threads go to hatefulness and personal attacks with a lot of F words thrown in for good measure. What does that accomplish? Dialogue is shut down at that point. |
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Post by MerryMom on Oct 28, 2020 19:28:21 GMT
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I will post this thought or opinion of mine.
Law enforcement needs to own their history and current practice of looking the other way and covering up the misdeeds of other cops.
Long before Derek Chauvin kneeled on George Floyd’s neck and killed him, there were hundreds if not thousands of times when Derek Chauvin crossed the line.
The FAILURE of other officers to check his behavior and report him for those small micro aggressions or getting him to stop led to George Floyd’s death.
THAT is what “good cops” need to own and fix.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 28, 2020 19:29:56 GMT
It's sad to see a long time member go. Your contributions and YOU will be missed by many. You joined the 2peasrefugees on September 5, 2020. Were you a member before with a different name(s)? Who were you? She was...had a couple different names. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Oct 28, 2020 19:46:30 GMT
Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
I’m really put off by the continuing insistence that Trumpism is just another political belief and these are just political differences. Pretty much the whole world, except for American Trump supporters, agrees that he and his views are dangerous and disgusting. Please stop equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs. This is not an “only my way is right situation.” This is evil vs. not evil, plain and simple. I hear what you're saying, @merge, and I can see why you've zeroed in on the current climate of NSBR and Trump. You're right about that - I am in no way equating Trumpism with legitimate political beliefs.
Please understand though, I am speaking about the entire history of 2Peas...all the way back to GWB. My point is: historically, there has always been a big problem with either side actually listening to the other.
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 28, 2020 19:54:29 GMT
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. What was your name on the old board? Is it any different than coming on this board with a new name? |
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2020 20:44:50 GMT
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. What was your name on the old board? Is it any different than coming on this board with a new name? I think this is the second time you've asked this of me. I'm not going to answer you. My other pea name was too identifying on the internet so I changed it. What's different is that I've never claimed to be anyone other than me. I will say I've been a pea since 2003 which is when I found the scrapbooking board thru CKU activities. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 21:14:35 GMT
What was your name on the old board? Is it any different than coming on this board with a new name? I think this is the second time you've asked this of me. I'm not going to answer you. My other pea name was too identifying on the internet so I changed it. What's different is that I've never claimed to be anyone other than me. I will say I've been a pea since 2003 which is when I found the scrapbooking board thru CKU activities. I believe she was talking to pixiechick |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 28, 2020 21:54:42 GMT
Before we get all up in arms over the "mean liberals" chasing leowife away from the board, let me ask this: in all the threads in which someone tried to get her to see the other side, did she ever REALLY accept that her view was not the only possible way to see something? I remember a conversation about police brutality (one of many, unfortunately) when "liberals" were complaining about the overreaction of police. She chimed in with her usual "my husband is the perfect officer who would never do that and neither does anyone else in is unit and everyone just needs to do a ride-along to see how bad it really is for the officers." Never mind that she was given multiple examples (with video) of police overreacting, including the George Floyd case, and yet she still could not bring herself to admit that police could ever be wrong. I suppose there might be few cases where she empathized with the victims of police brutality, but she would have followed up with "it's only a few who do this and my husband would never." I never met her husband, but given that the psychology of "white privilege" includes the inability to recognize your unconscious bias, I seriously doubt he is as pristine and pure as she thinks he is when it comes to race relations. I don't think she has the capacity for self-reflection to see how her attitude (and possibly her husband's) might be part of the problem. Perfectly stated. |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 28, 2020 22:30:49 GMT
Sadly, I think those days are past. With everything so polarized how can it be otherwise?
I remember the original board during the Bush Jr. years when the conservatives dominated. There were a few that were so awful and hurtful to anyone that didn't agree with them...just like now. It has flipped but the dynamic is very similar.
Some people just can't stand to have their views challenged. They are the ones who resort to name calling and intimidation. It's really shameful because there is A LOT to learn from opposing points of view.
Some people have zero interest in learning. It's their way or the highway. It's really as simple as that.
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. I respectfully disagree and remember it differently. Some left over “shrub” being in office and there was the LLP board that some went to, some participated in both boards. I believe someone even posted on 2 peas excerpts from the LLP board that where they were mocking other peas. Please don’t pretend that one party is above the mudslinging. Both sides are doing it and both sides have done it in the past. This is the very root of the problem...one side believing they don’t partake in the same behavior they claim to abhor. |
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Post by pinklady on Oct 28, 2020 22:41:41 GMT
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. I respectfully disagree and remember it differently. Some left over “shrub” being in office and there was the LLP board that some went to, some participated in both boards. I believe someone even posted on 2 peas excerpts from the LLP board that where they were mocking other peas. Please don’t pretend that one party is above the mudslinging. Both sides are doing it and both sides have done it in the past. This is the very root of the problem...one side believing they don’t partake in the same behavior they claim to abhor. I never said mudslinging only occurred on one side so don't put words in my mouth. Are there less conservatives here now, yep. You know why, they could dish it out but couldn't take it. The liberal leaning peas took shit on the daily on the old board. You know what a lot of us didn't do was run off. All you hear out of conservative peas is how mean and vicious it is here. They can't have a conversation without it getting mean. Yeah well suck it up. From 2008-2016 when Obama was in office, man the conservatives were total assholes. I don't feel bad that conservatives ran off. I'm also am not going to ignore any of the "ism's" that conservatives and their cult leader spew. If that makes me a "pitchfork pea" oh well. Sorry not sorry. PS. I have no idea what an LLP board is/was. |
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Post by refugeepea on Oct 28, 2020 22:42:00 GMT
I think this is the second time you've asked this of me. I'm not going to answer you. My other pea name was too identifying on the internet so I changed it. What's different is that I've never claimed to be anyone other than me.I will say I've been a pea since 2003 which is when I found the scrapbooking board thru CKU activities.  |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 28, 2020 22:48:12 GMT
I respectfully disagree and remember it differently. Some left over “shrub” being in office and there was the LLP board that some went to, some participated in both boards. I believe someone even posted on 2 peas excerpts from the LLP board that where they were mocking other peas. Please don’t pretend that one party is above the mudslinging. Both sides are doing it and both sides have done it in the past. This is the very root of the problem...one side believing they don’t partake in the same behavior they claim to abhor. I never said mudslinging only occurred on one side so don't put words in my mouth. Are there less conservatives here now, yep. You know why, they could dish it out but couldn't take it. The liberal leaning peas took shit on the daily on the old board. You know what a lot of us didn't do was run off. All you hear out of conservative peas is how mean and vicious it is here. They can't have a conversation without it getting mean. Yeah well suck it up. From 2008-2016 when Obama was in office, man the conservatives were total assholes. I don't feel bad that conservatives ran off. I'm also am not going to ignore any of the "ism's" that conservatives and their cult leader spew. If that makes me a "pitchfork pea" oh well. Sorry not sorry. PS. I have no idea what an LLP board is/was. Again I disagree. Both sides took shit on the daily on the other board. I’m not even stating which side I am on but I can recognize that the “other side” were shit on. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 28, 2020 23:17:39 GMT
One big difference, the liberals didn't run off like big fucking babies. I respectfully disagree and remember it differently. Some left over “shrub” being in office and there was the LLP board that some went to, some participated in both boards. I believe someone even posted on 2 peas excerpts from the LLP board that where they were mocking other peas.Please don’t pretend that one party is above the mudslinging. Both sides are doing it and both sides have done it in the past. This is the very root of the problem...one side believing they don’t partake in the same behavior they claim to abhor. That is a flat out lie. 🤬 The LLP board was relatively short lived and no one left 2Peas and posted there in place of 2Peas. Everyone who did post there was active in both boards. There are still a number of us who were part of the LLPs, which hasn’t been around for 14-15 years now, that are still participants here. Those who stopped posting never made the transition from the old board to this one. Do you want to share any other false information about it that I can address? |
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 28, 2020 23:25:34 GMT
I’m really getting sick and tired of Liberals being constantly blamed for people leaving. Christ. It’s a public message board! It’s not your family! No one here is under any obligation to make your lives sweeter. At any given day, there are approximately 150-200 people logged on here. You’re not going to ever get that many people to behave how you want them to behave. It just isn’t possible.
And yes, if you only know how to dish it, but can’t be bothered to learn how to toughen up and take it when it’s your turn, then by all means, block the bitches who get on your last nerve, or stick with the fun threads, or seek another forum that’ll fulfill you.
Every single person on this board is blessed with free will-utilize it and stop blaming Liberals. One would think this is elementary but apparently it isn’t.
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Post by megop on Oct 28, 2020 23:31:12 GMT
Dipping toe in here and probably shouldn't, but yet, here goes because well, it's my opinion.
To me, having been an old pea and a new pea, I really don't think anything has really changed when we look at a forum board like this in a holistic way. Stick with me here as it is a general observation ...
Someone posts initial topic ...
Page 1 behaves fairly reasonably with comments in timeline back and forth - diaglogue
Page 2 more personal opinions from individual frames of reference - thread stays on topic
Page 3 more personal opinions replying to maybe original post or individual posts quoted from page 1 and 2 - quote seems to challenge or disagree with person who is quoted and is deemed personal because they were quoted
Page 4 person quoted shoots back to the individual who quoted them and then it's an argument
Page 5 game on as everyone posts their individual opinions over "sides" of the two who were initially involved
Page 6 factions blamed and individuals "grouped" into factions whether they meant to do so or not
Page 7 individuals within identified factions fall back into "I" didn't say that taking back their personal opinion and autonomy ignoring how their posts may have contributed to the overall dynamic.
Ok, yea, the page thing isn't concrete, but you get my point.
At the end of the day, my individual opinion is this board is no more or less tame, personal, bombastic, mean or insert whatever word you want to as the old board. It is the very nature of forums and how the communication platform lends itself to this very dynamic of human interaction. There are individuals who are just complete bitches for sure. The are individuals who are just stating their opinion and get lumped into a faction when they did nothing. There are individuals who try to communicate and bring peace and there are individuals who just don't want to get into the fray at all and just read. There are many more definitions here of who we each are.
I highly urge people to just not take it all so dang personally. It's ok to be disagreed with. It's also ok to defend yourself. But I will tell you my experience of message boards and thinking just more arguing is going to bring any sort of closure to changing someone else's opinion is a futile effort if that is the expectation.
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Post by megop on Oct 28, 2020 23:38:33 GMT
And regarding Trumpism. I will say, as a moderate Republican coming back and reading the board just on occasion, my personal frame of reference that "Trumpism" and "Republican" are by and large used fairly interchangeably. I get why but having said that, is it easier to understand how some get into the mindset they are being lumped in when perhaps they shouldn't be? Parties are big and each of them operates on a bell curve. There are the extreme's and I submit, really, most of us, are somewhere in the middle and have waaaayyyy more common ground than we think we do. Signed, your resident Pollyanna.  |
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Post by Merge on Oct 28, 2020 23:44:33 GMT
And regarding Trumpism. I will say, as a moderate Republican coming back and reading the board just on occasion, my personal frame of reference that "Trumpism" and "Republican" are by and large used fairly interchangeably. I get why but having said that, is it easier to understand how some get into the mindset they are being lumped in when perhaps they shouldn't be? Parties are big and each of them operates on a bell curve. There are the extreme's and I submit, really, most of us, are somewhere in the middle and have waaaayyyy more common ground than we think we do. Signed, your resident Pollyanna. We’ve actually been pretty careful here to state that we differentiate Trumpism from traditional conservatism. Trump is, unfortunately, the Republican party now. He owns it. But there are still principled conservatives who disavow Trumpism. They just don’t happen to occupy any house or Senate seats right now. Just wanted to throw that in there. |
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Post by megop on Oct 28, 2020 23:50:36 GMT
And regarding Trumpism. I will say, as a moderate Republican coming back and reading the board just on occasion, my personal frame of reference that "Trumpism" and "Republican" are by and large used fairly interchangeably. I get why but having said that, is it easier to understand how some get into the mindset they are being lumped in when perhaps they shouldn't be? Parties are big and each of them operates on a bell curve. There are the extreme's and I submit, really, most of us, are somewhere in the middle and have waaaayyyy more common ground than we think we do. Signed, your resident Pollyanna.  We’ve actually been pretty careful here to state that we differentiate Trumpism from traditional conservatism. Trump is, unfortunately, the Republican party now. He owns it. But there are still principled conservatives who disavow Trumpism. They just don’t happen to occupy any house or Senate seats right now. Just wanted to throw that in there. Thanks Merge. Appreciate it. Could I offer for your consideration that you state "we" as in collective. That is your frame of reference. Could we not agree that there have been "some" who may not have adhered to that on an individual level? Edited to add: Because I've certainly read Republican individuals who I personally wouldn't feel comfortable in making a statement of "we" over them or that person. Sorry one more edit: Which is exactly why I'm not here to defend the statements made by leowife as the representation of the entire Republican party. Know what I mean? |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 28, 2020 23:59:41 GMT
I respectfully disagree and remember it differently. Some left over “shrub” being in office and there was the LLP board that some went to, some participated in both boards. I believe someone even posted on 2 peas excerpts from the LLP board that where they were mocking other peas.Please don’t pretend that one party is above the mudslinging. Both sides are doing it and both sides have done it in the past. This is the very root of the problem...one side believing they don’t partake in the same behavior they claim to abhor. That is a flat out lie. 🤬 The LLP board was relatively short lived and no one left 2Peas and posted there in place of 2Peas. Everyone who did post there was active in both boards. There are still a number of us who were part of the LLPs, which hasn’t been around for 14-15 years now, that are still participants here. Those who stopped posting never made the transition from the old board to this one. Do you want to share any other false information about it that I can address? I think the intent of my post is being missed. Or more likely I didn’t choose my words carefully enough. Happens when I post from my phone vs a real computer. It wasn’t meant to be accusatory of the LLP’s...not at all. I did preface that comment by saying I believe. I thought that was how the whole “outing” of the LLP occurred. Similar to the other side boards like grumpeas and unscrappables (I think that was the name?). If that is incorrect I apologize. I also wasn’t implying that people left 2 peas to post there. Re-reading it though I can see how my wording was poor and unclear. I meant it as 2 separate things. Some people left because of Bush. The other implying some people left because I assume they found the other board a better fit and found themself posting there more. Some people posted at both boards. I will admit that I was on the grumpeas board and during that time I didn’t visit 2 peas as often. At that point the private, no anonymous lurking peas and small amount of members was a better fit for me. I assume the LLP felt the same way. Again my post was not intended as a slam against the LLP board or its member. As stated in a later post it was meant to be about how both parties get shit on from the other side and was like that on the old board too. I think sometimes we can remember our similarities rather than getting so hostile with one another over our differences. |
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Post by dewryce on Oct 29, 2020 0:00:26 GMT
We’ve actually been pretty careful here to state that we differentiate Trumpism from traditional conservatism. Trump is, unfortunately, the Republican party now. He owns it. But there are still principled conservatives who disavow Trumpism. They just don’t happen to occupy any house or Senate seats right now. Just wanted to throw that in there. Thanks Merge. Appreciate it. Could I offer for your consideration that you state "we" as in collective. That is your frame of reference. Could we not agree that there have been "some" who may not have adhered to that on an individual level? Edited to add: Because I've certainly read Republican individuals who I personally wouldn't feel comfortable in making a statement of "we" over them or that person. Sorry one more edit: Which is exactly why I'm not here to defend the statements made by leowife as the representation of the entire Republican party. Know what I mean? I get what you’re saying, but not quite sure how that would happen without becoming mind-numbingly repetitive. Because it has been said by most of the peas in the political threads at least once, by most many, many times. In all seriousness, should it be said every time by each pea? Put at the beginning of each thread? A disclaimer in our signature? Truly not trying to be bitchy, just wondering how someone from another viewpoint would suggest handling it. |
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Post by megop on Oct 29, 2020 0:08:13 GMT
Thanks Merge. Appreciate it. Could I offer for your consideration that you state "we" as in collective. That is your frame of reference. Could we not agree that there have been "some" who may not have adhered to that on an individual level? Edited to add: Because I've certainly read Republican individuals who I personally wouldn't feel comfortable in making a statement of "we" over them or that person. Sorry one more edit: Which is exactly why I'm not here to defend the statements made by leowife as the representation of the entire Republican party. Know what I mean? I get what you’re saying, but not quite sure how that would happen without becoming mind-numbingly repetitive. Because it has been said by most of the peas in the political threads at least once, by most many, many times. In all seriousness, should it be said every time by each pea? Put at the beginning of each thread? A disclaimer in our signature? Truly not trying to be bitchy, just wondering how someone from another viewpoint would suggest handling it. Not at all. That would impossible! And totally agree mind-numbing. Who wants to read that? I don't. But we do get to keep in mind that as has been stated here before, none of us reads every single post on every single thread so we can keep that thought in mind before we individually go after someone else that maybe we don't know very well or posts infrequently should they choose to weigh in on a topic. For the well known witches, game on. They own their personal brand and posts. I'm more referring to the outliers. Sorry I wasn't more clear in stating that. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 29, 2020 0:30:40 GMT
That is a flat out lie. 🤬 The LLP board was relatively short lived and no one left 2Peas and posted there in place of 2Peas. Everyone who did post there was active in both boards. There are still a number of us who were part of the LLPs, which hasn’t been around for 14-15 years now, that are still participants here. Those who stopped posting never made the transition from the old board to this one. Do you want to share any other false information about it that I can address? I think the intent of my post is being missed. Or more likely I didn’t choose my words carefully enough. Happens when I post from my phone vs a real computer. It wasn’t meant to be accusatory of the LLP’s...not at all. I did preface that comment by saying I believe. I thought that was how the whole “outing” of the LLP occurred. Similar to the other side boards like grumpeas and unscrappables (I think that was the name?). If that is incorrect I apologize. I also wasn’t implying that people left 2 peas to post there. Re-reading it though I can see how my wording was poor and unclear. I meant it as 2 separate things. Some people left because of Bush. The other implying some people left because I assume they found the other board a better fit and found themself posting there more. Some people posted at both boards. I will admit that I was on the grumpeas board and during that time I didn’t visit 2 peas as often. At that point the private, no anonymous lurking peas and small amount of members was a better fit for me. I assume the LLP felt the same way. Again my post was not intended as a slam against the LLP board or its member. As stated in a later post it was meant to be about how both parties get shit on from the other side and was like that on the old board too. I think sometimes we can remember our similarities rather than getting so hostile with one another over our differences. I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” |
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Post by megop on Oct 29, 2020 0:43:15 GMT
I think the intent of my post is being missed. Or more likely I didn’t choose my words carefully enough. Happens when I post from my phone vs a real computer. It wasn’t meant to be accusatory of the LLP’s...not at all. I did preface that comment by saying I believe. I thought that was how the whole “outing” of the LLP occurred. Similar to the other side boards like grumpeas and unscrappables (I think that was the name?). If that is incorrect I apologize. I also wasn’t implying that people left 2 peas to post there. Re-reading it though I can see how my wording was poor and unclear. I meant it as 2 separate things. Some people left because of Bush. The other implying some people left because I assume they found the other board a better fit and found themself posting there more. Some people posted at both boards. I will admit that I was on the grumpeas board and during that time I didn’t visit 2 peas as often. At that point the private, no anonymous lurking peas and small amount of members was a better fit for me. I assume the LLP felt the same way. Again my post was not intended as a slam against the LLP board or its member. As stated in a later post it was meant to be about how both parties get shit on from the other side and was like that on the old board too. I think sometimes we can remember our similarities rather than getting so hostile with one another over our differences. I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” I was a member of a right leaning board, but I don't recall AN and Fern being on that same board. I also recall we had a left leaning pea on that outside board as well. Seems all so ridiculous to me now. Totally agree with Elaine's recollection as it was a different dynamic and much more paranoid feeling back then. I don't get that same vibe here as I pretty much think people are laying out their opinions straight up in front of everyone. My recollection was from that era, personal attacks went wwwaaayyyy farther than name calling into downright stalking behavior. That was pretty dang scary! Edited to add: And yes, I got a good arse whopping for being on that outside board as well although I totally was aware of LLP because I had people I consider friends who participated there. Didn't feel butt hurt by it. |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 29, 2020 0:45:21 GMT
I think the intent of my post is being missed. Or more likely I didn’t choose my words carefully enough. Happens when I post from my phone vs a real computer. It wasn’t meant to be accusatory of the LLP’s...not at all. I did preface that comment by saying I believe. I thought that was how the whole “outing” of the LLP occurred. Similar to the other side boards like grumpeas and unscrappables (I think that was the name?). If that is incorrect I apologize. I also wasn’t implying that people left 2 peas to post there. Re-reading it though I can see how my wording was poor and unclear. I meant it as 2 separate things. Some people left because of Bush. The other implying some people left because I assume they found the other board a better fit and found themself posting there more. Some people posted at both boards. I will admit that I was on the grumpeas board and during that time I didn’t visit 2 peas as often. At that point the private, no anonymous lurking peas and small amount of members was a better fit for me. I assume the LLP felt the same way. Again my post was not intended as a slam against the LLP board or its member. As stated in a later post it was meant to be about how both parties get shit on from the other side and was like that on the old board too. I think sometimes we can remember our similarities rather than getting so hostile with one another over our differences. I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” Oh wow I don’t remember AN being part of the outing. When she was outed on here a couple of years ago I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t know she had a previous history of being like that. Thanks for clearing that up. Like I said I didn’t have any problems with the existence of the LLP board. |
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Post by megop on Oct 29, 2020 0:49:15 GMT
I was the subject of the “outing” by Ashley Nicole and Fern the night it happened, so I remember it clearly. AN had a screenshot of the front of the board, like the front page of this one, with thread titles. She couldn’t get in to any of the threads to see what we actually posted, so there wasn’t any content beyond that the board existed and thread titles. So, no, there was no mocking of other peas. At the time, the outrage wasn’t that things were said that were offensive, it was that a group of “left leaning peas” created another board to discuss politics outside of 2Peas. It hadn’t been done before. And the internet message boards were still relatively new - we are talking about the Kerry election, so 16 years ago. The big brouhaha was because people - and one person in particular- felt betrayed simply by the existence of a liberal board. Not about anything that was said. It seems absurd now, 16 years later, when no cares how many boards there are and people participate in. It was a different time and people were also sensitive because of the smack blog(s). The irony being that after things calmed down a bit about the LLPs, I know that the right leaning peas went ahead - including AN and Fern - and made their own separate board at the time. At least one of the members of that original right leaning board is still an active poster here. I didn’t want to derail this thread, but really hate when that time gets misrepresented here. The issue with the LLPs was never about anything we said about other peas, it was simply that we existed; and AN, Fern and a number of right wing peas threw tantrums about it, making it the huge issue that it never should have been. Fern contacted me off-board a few years later to apologize about her role in that “outing.” Oh wow I don’t remember AN being part of the outing. When she was outed on here a couple of years ago I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t know she had a previous history of being like that. Thanks for clearing that up. Like I said I didn’t have any problems with the existence of the LLP board. Elaine, so glad to hear of Fern's reach out to you! That brings my heart joy.  Hugs! |
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