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Post by refugeepea on Nov 7, 2020 2:12:09 GMT
As far as Kamala Harris being “too far left” it’s clear you were not paying attention to her when she was running for president. She is a moderate leaning left. Her problem was she couldn’t decide how far left to go. In any case, it was a long long way from Bernie Sanders & company who are about as far left as you can get and still be called a Democrat or progressive or progressive Democrat Really? Is this necessary. This is the reason I don't participate in threads that you start. From your own words
Yes, it is sad to watch. Miss Jen isn't a far right wing pea, she isn't controversial, she responds thoughtfully to posts. Yes, we all have our moments, but recognize you have played a part in this as well.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 7, 2020 2:12:50 GMT
I keep hearing from so many people in my life, even those who voted for Biden, like my son, that people do not like Kamala Harris. Have I missed something, because I do like her.
Why do people not like her? My son's best friend is a sweet, lovely black man, and my son insists that even black people do not like her, but he hasn't really said why.
Help me out! Thanks peas. I have learned so much from so many of you this week.  Without reading any other replies my first thought is because they don't like strong women. And even more than that they don't like strong black women. And on top of those two things they are threatened when a strong woman, black or not, gets in a position of power. Horrors, they might have authority over a man! such nerve...  They also are intimidated by SMART women too! |
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Post by librarylady on Nov 7, 2020 2:34:02 GMT
I think it is because she has the nerve to be a woman of color who is strong and assertive. From her years as a DA, she knows how to ask
a direct and difficult question and does not flinch, nor let a person evade the answer. That has to be so offensive to the white male supremacist.
She had the audacity to make Brent Kavanaugh squirm in his chair.
I dare say she could make any of those arrogant men in the Senate squirm as well.
I am so sick of hearing about ANY successful woman that she slept her way to the top...it is ALWAYS said, ALWAYS.
I have no idea, nor care, if she slept with someone or when. She has shown herself to be strong and capable of taking on the job.
I do understand why the black community would be angry about the convictions she got in her years as the DA. That issue is so complicated, there is
no fast easy answer.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 7, 2020 2:38:18 GMT
she wants to give the impression she’s black when she’s not. She Jamaican indian  She's biracial, with one of her races being Black and the other Asian. Jamaica and India are countries, not races. Both countries are racially diverse, although the majority of Jamaicans are of African descent. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 7, 2020 3:41:19 GMT
The right doesn’t like her because she’s “too left” a ‘radical left wing socialist’ I guess I need to look into her more, because I do NOT think of her as "too left." no don’t bother it’s the Trump camp lying and repeating what Trump has been saying at his rallies all week. She isn’t very left at all much less far left |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 7, 2020 3:51:50 GMT
The black nurses I work with don’t like her because she wants to give the impression she’s black when she’s not. She Jamaican indian. They claim she is putting on airs and wants to be sympathetic but she hasn’t experienced the black life in America. They don’t believe in her, so by choosing her, they don’t trust Biden’s motives. I think I can understand that. I’d like to see them say that to her face. She’s lived in the US her entire life. Are they seriously saying she’s “not Black enough” because she’s part Indian? Just one small correction. She went to high school in Canada when her mother was working in McGill. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2020 4:02:11 GMT
she wants to give the impression she’s black when she’s not. She Jamaican indian She's biracial, with one of her races being Black and the other Asian. Jamaica and India are countries, not races. Both countries are racially diverse, although the majority of Jamaicans are of African descent. I think it is more about culture than race/skin color. There is a large Somali population in my area and there have historically been conflicts in the high schools in particular between African Americans and Somali Americans. Of course Somalia is in Africa but the culture—both historically and currently—between the groups is very different. I also know a few adults who grew up in the US with parents who came here from Africa. They have said that they felt like they didn’t fit in with the black kids because they weren’t “black” enough and they didn’t quite fit in with the white kids, either. But they also said that they resonated more with white culture. Of course those are only a few examples, but I’m just trying to point Out that it isn’t just color of the skin, it is culture as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 4:28:14 GMT
As far as Kamala Harris being “too far left” it’s clear you were not paying attention to her when she was running for president. She is a moderate leaning left. Her problem was she couldn’t decide how far left to go. In any case, it was a long long way from Bernie Sanders & company who are about as far left as you can get and still be called a Democrat or progressive or progressive Democrat Really? Is this necessary. This is the reason I don't participate in threads that you start. From your own words
Yes, it is sad to watch. Miss Jen isn't a far right wing pea, she isn't controversial, she responds thoughtfully to posts. Yes, we all have our moments, but recognize you have played a part in this as well.
A thoughtful response by trashing CA? That is not even the subject of the thread. How is that thoughtful? There were a 100 different ways she could have made her point without taking potshots at CA. In fact if she had left the trashing of CA out of her comment then I would have ignored it and her. It’s clear she doesn’t like CA and that’s fine. But there is a saying that goes something like “if you don’t have anything good to say about something, then don’t say anything at all”. There are a lot of states and cities I don’t like but I try really hard to keep my opinion to myself because that state or city is somebody’s home. It’s where they chose to live and to insult it, especially when it’s not part of the discussion, is rude. And since I live in CA I didn’t appreciate her trashing it. Not one bit. And it is sad to watch when people don’t think before they post how their words come across to another person. But I did learn something from this little exchange. Who knew folks had a problem with a benign phrase like “not paying attention”. Especially since so many of us are constantly missing what’s going on around us because we are not paying attention. Interesting. |
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 7, 2020 5:14:52 GMT
Really? Is this necessary. This is the reason I don't participate in threads that you start. From your own words
Yes, it is sad to watch. Miss Jen isn't a far right wing pea, she isn't controversial, she responds thoughtfully to posts. Yes, we all have our moments, but recognize you have played a part in this as well.
A thoughtful response by trashing CA? That is not even the subject of the thread. How is that thoughtful? There were a 100 different ways she could have made her point without taking potshots at CA. In fact if she had left the trashing of CA out of her comment then I would have ignored it and her. It’s clear she doesn’t like CA and that’s fine. But there is a saying that goes something like “if you don’t have anything good to say about something, then don’t say anything at all”. There are a lot of states and cities I don’t like but I try really hard to keep my opinion to myself because that state or city is somebody’s home. It’s where they chose to live and to insult it, especially when it’s not part of the discussion, is rude. And since I live in CA I didn’t appreciate her trashing it. Not one bit. And it is sad to watch when people don’t think before they post how their words come across to another person. But I did learn something from this little exchange. Who knew folks had a problem with a benign phrase like “not paying attention”. Especially since so many of us are constantly missing what’s going on around us because we are not paying attention. Interesting. You'll never change. I don't know why I even tried. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2020 5:56:11 GMT
I really love Klobuchar. She lays it out. She absolutely brought. it. in response to Ted Cruz's bullshit at one of the Comey Barrett hearings. She's smart and a badass and she doesn't pretend to play nicey nice or blush and look away when she's getting things done.
And yet, an article was published that Amy was “mean” to her staff.  Kamala is: young attractive smart experienced well educated has has the potential to hold sway over older white guys Yeah, I can see where people would hate her. I have posted about this previously. My dds best friend was an intern with her. He said she was very intense to work for. Not necessarily mean. But wants things done and done right. Would a man boss be labeled “mean” ever?!! |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2020 5:58:58 GMT
She had an affair with her mentor, She had a relationship in 94/95 with Willie Brown when he was the Speaker of the California Assembly and she was in the Alameda County DA's office. It wasn't an affair, secret, hidden, calculated, etc., and she wasn't sleeping her way to the top. Brown did go on to become the mayor of San Francisco from 1996-2004 and Harris was elected DA in 2003. I think men who don't like her were squirming in their seats when she questioned Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearing. She is prepared and smart. But wasn’t he still married when the “relationship “ Started? Or not? |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2020 6:05:24 GMT
I hope to God Amy does NOT get a cabinet position! We need her in the senate!!
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Post by lauradrumm on Nov 7, 2020 7:24:32 GMT
She was a toug on crime prosecutor
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Post by prapea on Nov 7, 2020 7:36:21 GMT
I’d like to see them say that to her face. She’s lived in the US her entire life. Are they seriously saying she’s “not Black enough” because she’s part Indian? Just one small correction. She went to high school in Canada when her mother was working in McGill. Why is this a correction? 4 years in Canada negates her being American? or does it negate that she is Black-Indian-American or just American? Seriously....the mental semantics that some of you do...I am starting to see why we still have people voting for Trump. OP, nothing against you but I think threads like this are so unnecessary and so nothing good. This is why we will never move forward because we are constantly doubting our own people🤦🏽♀️ |
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Post by TankTop on Nov 7, 2020 9:38:36 GMT
Which seems to be the go to answer for why people don't like a strong, powerful woman. Pisses me off. My husband voted for Biden, and he doesn't like her either. I asked him why, and all he could say is that she "seems like a real b!tch." Which pissed me off, and I asked him why she seems like a bitch, that a strong man is looked upon as a strong man, but a strong woman is called a b!tch. He just threw his hands up, walked away and said he wasn't going to talk to me about it. LOL Most men fear strong women. I still haven't figured out why though. Male fragility? I think it goes back to a fear of control and shame. Women have been in the role of mother and teacher their whole lives. Both of these women had control of them at some point. In their formative years women were the correctors of bad behavior, schoolwork mistakes, etc... we were the source of shame. |
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Post by hop2 on Nov 7, 2020 14:10:09 GMT
But there is a saying that goes something like “if you don’t have anything good to say about something, then don’t say anything at all”. . Advice you clearly can’t take from yourself. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 7, 2020 14:20:20 GMT
Just one small correction. She went to high school in Canada when her mother was working in McGill. Why is this a correction? 4 years in Canada negates her being American? or does it negate that she is Black-Indian-American or just American? Seriously....the mental semantics that some of you do...I am starting to see why we still have people voting for Trump. OP, nothing against you but I think threads like this are so unnecessary and so nothing good. This is why we will never move forward because we are constantly doubting our own people🤦🏽♀️ You really need to work on your reading comprehension. busy "she's lived in the United States her whole life" That is the correction. Quebec isn't actually in the United States. It's not semantics, it was wrong information - that I noted was a small correction. I did not say she wasn't an American or opine on her blackness. I corrected a false statement. ETA and incidentally, for those who don't know about Shyamala Gopalan who I'd looked up after Kamala Harris' acceptance speech, I highly recommend learning her story - she was a remarkable woman. www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a33623104/kamala-harris-mother-shyamala-gopalan-facts/ |
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 7, 2020 15:45:30 GMT
She had a relationship in 94/95 with Willie Brown when he was the Speaker of the California Assembly and she was in the Alameda County DA's office. It wasn't an affair, secret, hidden, calculated, etc., and she wasn't sleeping her way to the top. Brown did go on to become the mayor of San Francisco from 1996-2004 and Harris was elected DA in 2003. I think men who don't like her were squirming in their seats when she questioned Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearing. She is prepared and smart. But wasn’t he still married when the “relationship “ Started? Or not? Brown has been separated from his wife since the early 1980s. They have never legally divorced, but had not been together for more than a decade before his relationship with Harris. Pretty lame example of an “affair”. |
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Post by prapea on Nov 7, 2020 17:24:48 GMT
Why is this a correction? 4 years in Canada negates her being American? or does it negate that she is Black-Indian-American or just American? Seriously....the mental semantics that some of you do...I am starting to see why we still have people voting for Trump. OP, nothing against you but I think threads like this are so unnecessary and so nothing good. This is why we will never move forward because we are constantly doubting our own people🤦🏽♀️ You really need to work on your reading comprehension. busy "she's lived in the United States her whole life" That is the correction. Quebec isn't actually in the United States. It's not semantics, it was wrong information - that I noted was a small correction. I did not say she wasn't an American or opine on her blackness. I corrected a false statement. ETA and incidentally, for those who don't know about Shyamala Gopalan who I'd looked up after Kamala Harris' acceptance speech, I highly recommend learning her story - she was a remarkable woman. www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a33623104/kamala-harris-mother-shyamala-gopalan-facts/Nah... actually you proved my point. You are a closet trumpsters. I have seen the way you post. It is always something negative followed by a “but I think they are still awesome”. Hoping one day people see you for who you truly are. |
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Post by ntsf on Nov 7, 2020 18:24:35 GMT
she is not that young.. she is older than amy barrett ..
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 7, 2020 18:49:38 GMT
I think it is more about culture than race/skin color. I do understand this, but to say she isn't Black is just not correct. Our neighbors are Jamaican. There is no question the parents' life experience is different from their American born kids. They all check Black on any race questions just as another neighbor whose ancestors include former slaves. One could say she isn't African American or that she is first generation American to differentiate from a Black person whose family experienced slavery and segregation in this country, but you can't say she isn't Black.  But wasn’t he still married when the “relationship “ Started? Or not? Hahaha, I guess we have different views on "relationships". Brown and his wife are still married to this day. For whatever reason, they separated in the early 80s and have lived separately ever since without getting a divorce. From everything I've read it is amicable and they have been at the same events over the years. Calling the relationship with Harris an "affair" implies cheating on his wife and/or slinking around which is just not what happened in this case. They dated publicly as a couple. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2020 18:55:44 GMT
I think it is more about culture than race/skin color. I do understand this, but to say she isn't Black is just not correct. Our neighbors are Jamaican. There is no question the parents' life experience is different from their American born kids. They all check Black on any race questions just as another neighbor whose ancestors include former slaves. One could say she isn't African American or that she is first generation American to differentiate from a Black person whose family experienced slavery and segregation in this country, but you can't say she isn't Black. But wasn’t he still married when the “relationship “ Started? Or not? Hahaha, I guess we have different views on "relationships". Brown and his wife are still married to this day. For whatever reason, they separated in the early 80s and have lived separately ever since without getting a divorce. From everything I've read it is amicable and they have been at the same events over the years. Calling the relationship with Harris an "affair" implies cheating on his wife and/or slinking around which is just not what happened in this case. They dated publicly as a couple. My point was that they are saying she isn't black in terms of the social construct, not the skin color. You are still referring to skin color. I do think it is interesting, though, that we didn't hear the same things about Barack Obama. I'm also not saying that people saying she "isn't really black" are right. |
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Post by Olan on Nov 7, 2020 19:04:15 GMT
When someone tells you what their lovely kind hardworking (the descriptors crack me up and make me scratch my head all at the same time btw) black co-worker said but the co-worker isn’t here to provide context or defend their statement the conversation isn’t really all that hmmm searching for the right words...the conversation becomes speculative
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2020 19:28:10 GMT
Really? Is this necessary. This is the reason I don't participate in threads that you start. From your own words
Yes, it is sad to watch. Miss Jen isn't a far right wing pea, she isn't controversial, she responds thoughtfully to posts. Yes, we all have our moments, but recognize you have played a part in this as well.
A thoughtful response by trashing CA? That is not even the subject of the thread. How is that thoughtful? There were a 100 different ways she could have made her point without taking potshots at CA. In fact if she had left the trashing of CA out of her comment then I would have ignored it and her. It’s clear she doesn’t like CA and that’s fine. But there is a saying that goes something like “if you don’t have anything good to say about something, then don’t say anything at all”. There are a lot of states and cities I don’t like but I try really hard to keep my opinion to myself because that state or city is somebody’s home. It’s where they chose to live and to insult it, especially when it’s not part of the discussion, is rude. And since I live in CA I didn’t appreciate her trashing it. Not one bit. And it is sad to watch when people don’t think before they post how their words come across to another person. But I did learn something from this little exchange. Who knew folks had a problem with a benign phrase like “not paying attention”. Especially since so many of us are constantly missing what’s going on around us because we are not paying attention. Interesting. WTAF? She didn’t take potshots at California. She talked about politicians from California. You were looking for a fight. To be clear me saying you are being a bitch does NOT mean I am taking potshots at California since you reside there. It simply means you are being rude and California is separate from that. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2020 19:31:40 GMT
Because men in politics never have affairs. My BIL said he doesn't like her because, "She doesn't act like a lady." WTF dude! Because your hypocritical ass can't seem to see that some of the men in politics don't act like men, they act like sleazy scumbags. I am so SICK of men right now. (sorry if I offended the good dude peas on this board, or any of the honestly good guys. Between my BIL and the thread about the peas who have not-so-good DH's that are Trump supporters, I am getting irate) I remember her affair with Willie Brown. Eh, so what? Nobody would blink if she were a man. I believe that there is a double standard for men and women, and that there always has been. Strong, assertive, outspoken women seem to provoke dislike in some. You saw it with Hillary Clinton. Remember how Hillary was frequently describes as “shrill?” I have seen many male politicians with less than ideal voices, and it never seems to get mentioned. “She doesn’t act like a lady” is the same kind of thing. How does a “lady” act? |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 7, 2020 19:42:25 GMT
I do understand this, but to say she isn't Black is just not correct. Our neighbors are Jamaican. There is no question the parents' life experience is different from their American born kids. They all check Black on any race questions just as another neighbor whose ancestors include former slaves. One could say she isn't African American or that she is first generation American to differentiate from a Black person whose family experienced slavery and segregation in this country, but you can't say she isn't Black. Hahaha, I guess we have different views on "relationships". Brown and his wife are still married to this day. For whatever reason, they separated in the early 80s and have lived separately ever since without getting a divorce. From everything I've read it is amicable and they have been at the same events over the years. Calling the relationship with Harris an "affair" implies cheating on his wife and/or slinking around which is just not what happened in this case. They dated publicly as a couple. My point was that they are saying she isn't black in terms of the social construct, not the skin color. You are still referring to skin color. I do think it is interesting, though, that we didn't hear the same things about Barack Obama. I'm also not saying that people saying she "isn't really black" are right. I actually remember some of the same type of discussion about President Obama. I think it was Ben Carson who raised it?!?! It's been a while, it was pretty early in his bid for the White House - after his presidency, I don't think anyone questioned whether he was treated differently. |
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 7, 2020 20:10:16 GMT
My point was that they are saying she isn't black in terms of the social construct, not the skin color. You are still referring to skin color. My point was they should use language that reflects what they are saying so people hearing it understand their point. I understand they are othering her because she is a first generation American. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 7, 2020 20:19:29 GMT
It would be cool if we could listen to Kamala Harris on whether or not she identifies as Black instead of our black friends and coworkers: "“I am black and I am proud of it," she said bluntly. "I was born black and I’ll die black and I am proud of it. And I am not gonna make any excuses for it, for anybody, because they don't understand.”
www.politico.com/story/2019/02/12/kamala-harris-2020-black-race-1167030And as Olan said, she certainly has been (and will continue to be) treated like a Black woman in this country. |
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Post by sabrinae on Nov 7, 2020 20:30:03 GMT
I do understand this, but to say she isn't Black is just not correct. Our neighbors are Jamaican. There is no question the parents' life experience is different from their American born kids. They all check Black on any race questions just as another neighbor whose ancestors include former slaves. One could say she isn't African American or that she is first generation American to differentiate from a Black person whose family experienced slavery and segregation in this country, but you can't say she isn't Black. Hahaha, I guess we have different views on "relationships". Brown and his wife are still married to this day. For whatever reason, they separated in the early 80s and have lived separately ever since without getting a divorce. From everything I've read it is amicable and they have been at the same events over the years. Calling the relationship with Harris an "affair" implies cheating on his wife and/or slinking around which is just not what happened in this case. They dated publicly as a couple. My point was that they are saying she isn't black in terms of the social construct, not the skin color. You are still referring to skin color. I do think it is interesting, though, that we didn't hear the same things about Barack Obama. I'm also not saying that people saying she "isn't really black" are right. There was a fair amount of he’s not really black from people about Barack Obama but I don’t think it was generally the black community. I heard it more from the right— it was an effort tondelegitimize having a black President |
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