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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 15:14:03 GMT
I don’t think anyone’s talking about denying healthcare to snowbirds based on their residence. The discussion is for those who have options to stay up North, is it OK to potentially burden the healthcare system down South?
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Post by christine58 on Jan 2, 2021 15:15:27 GMT
I can make the same decisions about protection and safety at my home in SWFL as I can in my home up north. At least here, I can be outside. At home the weather is not super conducive to that, and all our gyms are closed. I can exercise outside here. My husband is safer here, without the threat of slip and fall. AMEN~~ That is why my mom is currently on her way to Ft. Lauderdale area. I am so tired of the finger pointing and shaming about who is doing what.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 15:20:41 GMT
I get what you all are saying. I really do. I really struggled with what to advise my parents to do. Other than gas and a rest side stop, my parents aren’t interacting with anyone. They plan to drive straight through and just get to their cottage. They should be vaccinated by March. If so, aren’t they the ones who should be working to restart the economy? Especially the tourist business which has been hit so hard. The reality is that people are out of savings. We are going to see people lose their homes and businesses in drives very soon. Not just those who were operating on the edge, but those who had stable businesses, saved for a rainy day, and had a plan for a lean year. If someone has been vaccinated, I’m praying they would be part of the solution and not part of the problem. Yes eventually, but not enough people have been vaccinated to do that yet. You're only thinking of the ones that are travelling, what about the people they may infect?. There's no guarantee that they were clear of the virus before they decided to go spend months somewhere else but were asymptomatic. There's no proof at the moment that once vaccinated that you are not a carrier, it's too early to tell whether one is or not. As someone up thread mentioned, most of these people are retired and they are travelling to a highly infected area with hospitals and medical facilities at breaking point because they have so many Covid patients - what happens to these snowbirds when they become ill with something other than Covid and need hospital treatment? - there won't be any beds for them and some of them will die, sadly! Day to day illnesses or accidents haven't gone away because of Covid, they are still here and still need treatment/intervention but they won't get it if the hospitals are overwhelmed already. Travelling from one state to another in the US is no different to many smaller countries travelling to another country. I could travel to every country in Europe of my choice in far less time that some would travel state to state in the US. Would I do that - no of course I wouldn't and I'm sure many of you wouldn't either but yet you are quite happy to travel within your own country. It doesn't make sense. The motto that we have had here in the UK throughout this pandemic is " save the NHS" That isn't a "save" of the system itself it's a " save" the system from getting overwhelmed as I've described above. Sadly some here don't understand that either.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 15:20:50 GMT
The problem is that the choices and decisions of snowbirds effect others. If everyone just does what they want and goes where they want, the virus will spread even more rapidly than it is right now. Not to mention, the burden it puts on an already taxed healthcare system in Florida and other places.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 15:22:13 GMT
I don’t think anyone’s talking about denying healthcare to snowbirds based on their residence. The discussion is for those who have options to stay up North, is it OK to potentially burden the healthcare system down South? That's true, many aren't in this thread. I'm thinking also of the thread this one was sparked by (the Florida governor one.) Folks were definitely wanting "them who ain't us" to go/stay the hell "home."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 15:26:18 GMT
And where do all the snowbirds think they will be getting their second shot? They do have to present their card to document they got the first shot and which one? Why would they have to get both shots at the same location? Neither DH nor I got our shingles vaccines at the same place, let alone in the same state. It's not like they set aside a second dose vial for you after you get your first one and hold it till you come back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 15:28:55 GMT
All of this! If you have 2 homes, you can pay someone to do your drive and sidewalks. You're staying home anyway, right? And traveling to a location with higher spread also means the hospitals are more strained, so adding MORE PEOPLE to the mix, even if they don't get COVID, is dangerous. Snowbirds still fall down, cut themselves, have cardiac issues, get food poisoning, all kinds of things that can land them in an already strained hospital/medical system. It's selfish and stupid. The many snowbirds I know do not have two homes that can be occupied year round. And I’m sure many don’t have the income to pay for a third short term place for six months, in addition to paying for snow shovelling as you suggest. That doesn't make sense why would they need to pay for a third? If they don't have two homes I assume they rent somewhere twice yearly.. What is stopping them renting somewhere in one place for a longer period of time?
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 2, 2021 15:37:48 GMT
ok I'll admit it - I'm heading to central america from Ontario in a couple weeks. I own a home there - in a very tiny gated community that is very isolated - and thanks to 2 hurricanes that went through in November (within 2 weeks of each other) there has been a substantial amount of damage to my home. If it doesn't get fixed we will lose our investment. So yeah, I'm going. And yes we are taking every precaution that we can, including getting the required PCR tests before we go and before we return in late March. We will also do our 2 week quarantine when we arrive before going out in the community, as well as when we return. KN95 masks will be worn the entire time we are travelling or near people. We have already arranged to have our fridge stocked before we get there and my dd will take care of it for us before we come home. And yes, if the world situation nosedives before we come home, we are prepared to stay there longer if needed.
not everyone is an asshole
eta - I do however know several people who have just been travelling within their own country (the US in particular) - to go to Vegas, or Lake Tahoe, or Branson - or other places that usually have casinos, just for a vacation. I don't think of that as being the same
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 2, 2021 15:39:45 GMT
And where do all the snowbirds think they will be getting their second shot? They do have to present their card to document they got the first shot and which one? Why would they have to get both shots at the same location? Neither DH nor I got our shingles vaccines at the same place, let alone in the same state. It's not like they set aside a second dose vial for you after you get your first one and hold it till you come back. Actually they have been planning holding the second shots, but Dr Fauci has suggested that to get more people started on the vaccine to forgo the hold. I am thinking that if someone gets a vaccine in the States it might be difficult or questioned in Canada. Just a question, did you get you your first shingles shot at a chain pharmacy? If so did you go to another pharmacy from the same chain? If so they had your records on file. The same way I can fill my Rx easily anywhere in the US if I go to Walgreens. I in fact have done it in the past.
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Post by milocat on Jan 2, 2021 15:40:00 GMT
Snowbirds also go to Arizona and Palm Springs. I see our neighbours had Christmas lights on their house for the first time in years, because they are not in Palm Springs. I think it's foolish to leave somewhere with fewer cases to go somewhere that has so many cases and warm weather. You'll survive one winter of cold, you've done it you're whole life, in fact staying home might just save your life. But some people here are still going on their week long winter vacation. It's foolish to think that the rules can't change while you are gone. I don't know why the border is closed when flights are not.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 2, 2021 15:45:14 GMT
Most have already been thru a move. Remember COVID started in march, when most of them were already in their winter homes, and then they traveled back. Most did things very safely. quarantined when they got back, etc. Most go to their own homes, or retirement communities that have restrictions in place. I get it. MN winters are brutal. Even if you don't see anyone or do anything, just to safely travel down there is worth it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 2, 2021 15:50:24 GMT
Most have already been thru a move. Remember COVID started in march, when most of them were already in their winter homes, and then they traveled back. Most did things very safely. quarantined when they got back, etc. Most go to their own homes, or retirement communities that have restrictions in place. I get it. MN winters are brutal. Even if you don't see anyone or do anything, just to safely travel down there is worth it. Right now Florida is major hot spot. It might not be so easy to avoid transporting the virus back home.
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Post by johnnysmom on Jan 2, 2021 15:53:05 GMT
The problem is that the choices and decisions of snowbirds effect others. If everyone just does what they want and goes where they want, the virus will spread even more rapidly than it is right now. Not to mention, the burden it puts on an already taxed healthcare system in Florida and other places. Everyone’s choices impact others, no one lives in a bubble.
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Post by elaine on Jan 2, 2021 15:53:05 GMT
And where do all the snowbirds think they will be getting their second shot? They do have to present their card to document they got the first shot and which one? None here have received a first one, so I assume they’d get it when they come back home unless they have it covered in their winter home health insurance (I have no idea how that works or if it is even a possibility) No one is having to pay for the COVID vaccine in the US, so insurance doesn’t figure into it. 😀 I would assume that they would get both shots while in FL if they were wintering there until Easter. If they own their residences down there, they would be able to get on the rolls for the vaccine, I would think. This is an issue to which I think there are no easy answers. I honestly see both sides.
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 15:56:42 GMT
The problem is that the choices and decisions of snowbirds effect others. If everyone just does what they want and goes where they want, the virus will spread even more rapidly than it is right now. Not to mention, the burden it puts on an already taxed healthcare system in Florida and other places. Yes. This is hopefully temporary so why can't people just sit tight this year to help move things along. Where is empathy and compassion?
Oh, and by the way the super contagious COVID variant is now in Florida.
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 15:59:38 GMT
Most have already been thru a move. Remember COVID started in march, when most of them were already in their winter homes, and then they traveled back. Most did things very safely. quarantined when they got back, etc. Most go to their own homes, or retirement communities that have restrictions in place. I get it. MN winters are brutal. Even if you don't see anyone or do anything, just to safely travel down there is worth it. Well, in Florida there are very few restrictions. Life almost as usual with the exception of mask wearing which is inconsistent.
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 16:01:20 GMT
None here have received a first one, so I assume they’d get it when they come back home unless they have it covered in their winter home health insurance (I have no idea how that works or if it is even a possibility) No one is having to pay for the COVID vaccine in the US, so insurance doesn’t figure into it. 😀 I would assume that they would get both shots while in FL if they were wintering there until Easter. If they own their residences down there, they would be able to get on the rolls for the vaccine, I would think. This is an issue to which I think there are no easy answers. I honestly see both sides. You do not have to be a resident to get the vaccine, first come first serve.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 2, 2021 16:09:31 GMT
No one is having to pay for the COVID vaccine in the US, so insurance doesn’t figure into it. 😀 I would assume that they would get both shots while in FL if they were wintering there until Easter. If they own their residences down there, they would be able to get on the rolls for the vaccine, I would think. This is an issue to which I think there are no easy answers. I honestly see both sides. You do not have to be a resident to get the vaccine, first come first serve. Just now CNN is showing where people went to get their vaccine and were told appointment only. While a group of people wandering around and NOT getting their vaccine! Some almost in tears. ,,...,....... I will say if they decide wait in line first come first served here, I will not be getting the vaccine. No way can I stand in line!
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 16:15:34 GMT
You do not have to be a resident to get the vaccine, first come first serve. Just now CNN is showing where people went to get their vaccine and were told appointment only. While a group of people wandering around and NOT getting their vaccine! Some almost in tears. ,,...,....... I will say if they decide wait in line first come first served here, I will not be getting the vaccine. No way can I stand in line! Every county in Florida has their own administration protocol. There are 38 counties in Florida, so 38 different and ever changing protocols.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 2, 2021 16:16:41 GMT
Canadians are allowed to fly out of the country, so not sure how they’re flouting any restrictions — it’s permitted. The snowbirds I know have no winter home here. They stay in a seasonal trailer over the summer. I know, for example, if these were my parents in this position, I’d have no way to accommodate them in my home and they couldn’t afford to pay for their Florida home as well as find a new place to stay here. Not having to pay travel health insurance for a winter away in Florida would surely offset some of the cost of fibding a new place to stay in Canada. I know that health insurance for the average elderly snowbird is not cheap. I know one couple in this situation who realized this spring, on their return to Canada, that different arrangements would have to be made this year and they planned accordingly. They’re staying home this winter.
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Post by melanieg on Jan 2, 2021 16:20:22 GMT
Canadians are allowed to fly out of the country, so not sure how they’re flouting any restrictions — it’s permitted. There is a Level 3 Canadian Government issued travel advisory to avoid non essentual travel. So yes, they are flouting the restrictions if they are using the flight loophole.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 2, 2021 16:21:38 GMT
Here's the thing - We have been telling ourselves how safe we're being, the good choices we're making, justifying every risk we take. Myself included.
Everything is a risk in a pandemic. There is no binary - safe or not safe. There is only more safe and less safe. And, when a CHOICE can be made to reduce risk not only for oneself but for others, and another less safe choice is made, you have to admit that your less safe choice has impact. No amount of telling ourselves stories of bubbles and pods and "only" doing certain things will change the fact that some of our choices make ourselves (and, I'd say more importantly, others) less safe.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 2, 2021 16:23:30 GMT
Just a question, did you get you your first shingles shot at a chain pharmacy? If so did you go to another pharmacy from the same chain? If so they had your records on file. The same way I can fill my Rx easily anywhere in the US if I go to Walgreens. I in fact have done it in the past. I am getting my second one this week and actually asked my PCP about this. She told me that--at least in her experience here--they get notified if I were to get the shot(s) at a Walgreens etc. I chose to get it in her office since I already had an appointment
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Post by melanieg on Jan 2, 2021 16:23:40 GMT
1st world entitlement and selfishness.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 2, 2021 16:26:12 GMT
Canadians are allowed to fly out of the country, so not sure how they’re flouting any restrictions — it’s permitted. There is a Level 3 Canadian Government issued travel advisory to avoid non essentual travel. So yes, they are flouting the restrictions if they are using the flight loophole. Many are...there are reports of people flying to Buffalo via helicopter, putting their car (paying of course) on a car 'truck' and then picking up their car and driving to Florida.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 2, 2021 16:27:15 GMT
Right now Florida is major hot spot. It might not be so easy to avoid transporting the virus back home. When HASN"T FL NOT been a hot spot? I havn't seen many statistics, but the one population I think who are taking this half way serous are the elderly, (yes, there are some who don't, but overall..). Like I said, there were many that came home this spring from FL, AZ, etc, and I don't remember there being a huge surge when that happened. I know a lot of them did the quarantine for 2 wks.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 2, 2021 16:30:36 GMT
1st world entitlement and selfishness. Exactly. As usual.
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Jan 2, 2021 16:33:55 GMT
The amount of people unwilling to do the right thing really just astounds me. It honestly changes my opinions of people within my circle. And that makes me super sad.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 2, 2021 16:40:07 GMT
Everyone has had some really good points. For my parents, I’ll advise them to talk to their doctor. And by the end of February we should know if you can be vaccinated and still be a carrier. That would be a large factor to consider.
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Post by wallyagain on Jan 2, 2021 16:41:04 GMT
Read the sheeple thread and Amelia Bloomer’s middle school comparison. Same thing applies here. Selfishness and entitlement, not to mention, you can bet that any Canadian that gets sick will be rushing back to Canada for health care. They want the best of everything, too bad for the rest of us suckers that follow the rules.
We do know lots of snowbirds and they all are staying in Canada this year.
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