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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 16:43:54 GMT
ok I'll admit it - I'm heading to central america from Ontario in a couple weeks. I own a home there - in a very tiny gated community that is very isolated - and thanks to 2 hurricanes that went through in November (within 2 weeks of each other) there has been a substantial amount of damage to my home. If it doesn't get fixed we will lose our investment. So yeah, I'm going. And yes we are taking every precaution that we can, including getting the required PCR tests before we go and before we return in late March. We will also do our 2 week quarantine when we arrive before going out in the community, as well as when we return. KN95 masks will be worn the entire time we are travelling or near people. We have already arranged to have our fridge stocked before we get there and my dd will take care of it for us before we come home. And yes, if the world situation nosedives before we come home, we are prepared to stay there longer if needed. not everyone is an asshole eta - I do however know several people who have just been travelling within their own country (the US in particular) - to go to Vegas, or Lake Tahoe, or Branson - or other places that usually have casinos, just for a vacation. I don't think of that as being the same Just asking hypothetically, could you hire someone to do the work? Technically, there might be a difference between snowbirds and vacationing in one place (traveling around and road trips are different). However, if your travel is non essential and you’re going to a warmer climate, partly for convenience and comfort, it’s a little hard to see the distinction. I’m not calling anyone an asshole, but it does seem like there’s at least a little selfishness involved in nonessential travel and snowbirds traveling. And yes, there are ways to minimize the risk by quarantining, wearing masks etc. But, is it fair to potentially burden a healthcare system that’s already taxed (in the case of Florida)? Or perhaps a rural area without a lot of resources? No one’s perfect, including me. I’m sure that I’ve made choices and decisions that others would see as questionable.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jan 2, 2021 16:45:52 GMT
In October my FIL went to his Texas home. He will stay there until he decides to come back in the spring. I don’t think he would have mentally survived a MN winter. If it was up to him he would have gone back to Texas within a week of burying his wife. He is in retirement community down there, they follow restrictions and put in a no visitors policy this year, so you can only be there if you live there. They work together to reduce the trips out to get supplies and such. They know the more they interact with others the more risk. He sounds happier and healthier than he has in a long time.
One move and staying put I am ok with, traveling for fun, not so much.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 2, 2021 16:50:30 GMT
I’m not calling anyone an asshole, but it does seem like there’s at least a little selfishness involved in nonessential travel and snowbirds traveling. And yes, there are ways to minimize the risk by quarantining, wearing masks etc. But, is it fair to potentially burden a healthcare system that’s already taxed (in the case of Florida)? Or perhaps a rural area without a lot of resources? I think the fact that the "nonessential" keeps changing is also part of the problem. How much traveling have all the politicians been doing this whole time? If Joe Blow can travel, why can't I? It is "essential" for me to go to my 2nd home. People can reason anything and that's how we are where we are in the US.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 16:52:58 GMT
I can make the same decisions about protection and safety at my home in SWFL as I can in my home up north. At least here, I can be outside. At home the weather is not super conducive to that, and all our gyms are closed. I can exercise outside here. My husband is safer here, without the threat of slip and fall. AMEN~~ That is why my mom is currently on her way to Ft. Lauderdale area. I am so tired of the finger pointing and shaming about who is doing what. That’s all well and good but just recently, you were criticizing the Buffalo Bills for having a playoff game. It’s OK for you to point fingers but not if the finger is pointed at you or your family or in your general direction? Sorry, but that seems a little hypocritical to judge restrictions and behavior during a pandemic on one thread and then call others out for shaming on another. Why is it OK for you to criticize the Buffalo Bills for their choices and decisions but not for others to question traveling and snowbirds? Because they’re a corporation and making money, does that make it OK to question their choices but not the decisions of individuals?
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 17:04:48 GMT
I’m not calling anyone an asshole, but it does seem like there’s at least a little selfishness involved in nonessential travel and snowbirds traveling. And yes, there are ways to minimize the risk by quarantining, wearing masks etc. But, is it fair to potentially burden a healthcare system that’s already taxed (in the case of Florida)? Or perhaps a rural area without a lot of resources? I think the fact that the "nonessential" keeps changing is also part of the problem. How much traveling have all the politicians been doing this whole time? If Joe Blow can travel, why can't I? It is "essential" for me to go to my 2nd home. People can reason anything and that's how we are where we are in the US. I agree. Pence traveling to Colorado and Trump traveling to Florida over the holidays annoyed me. Biden is not perfect, he and his surrogates did a lot of traveling during the election and to Georgia for the senate races. But, I don’t think Biden has vacationed anywhere since November. eta - Off topic, but Trump and Pence could have waited 3 weeks to travel somewhere, not on the taxpayers dime.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 2, 2021 17:07:19 GMT
The only people I know who normally spend several of the winter months down in FL didn’t go this year. They stayed put here in MN even though they own a second place down there.
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 17:16:39 GMT
Hypothetical of course but what if there were travel restrictions such as closed state borders in the US? Or how about a natural disaster such as a hurricane or series of hurricanes that destroyed retirement communities or areas where retirees come for the winter? Wouldn't people have to be resourceful and stay put? How is this different?
Not ideal for some, but again this may be temporary if people think and look at the big picture.
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Post by gar on Jan 2, 2021 17:17:46 GMT
And by the end of February we should know if you can be vaccinated and still be a carrier. Will we? That's good news, I didn't know.
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Post by tracylynn on Jan 2, 2021 17:20:11 GMT
Canadians are allowed to fly out of the country, so not sure how they’re flouting any restrictions — it’s permitted. Please. That's crap and you know it. The purpose of the Border restrictions were to keep Canadians home. They found a loophole and are exploiting it. I would also take a guess most aren't buying their normal Healthcare to travel because it's either unavailable this year (in a lot of cases this is absolutely true), or extremely expensive and precludes Covid Care. So great, come to the US, get sick and burden an already taxed system. I stand by my original statement.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 2, 2021 17:26:45 GMT
The only people I know who normally spend several of the winter months down in FL didn’t go this year. They stayed put here in MN even though they own a second place down there. And I saw the complete opposite. A lot of the snowbirds left in nov for AZ and FL up here. They all have a 2nd home or trailers in retirement communities. They planned to quarantine for 2 wks once they got down there. I know this because we had people getting their joint replacements before they left, and also relatives that went.
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 2, 2021 17:30:26 GMT
ok I'll admit it - I'm heading to central america from Ontario in a couple weeks. I own a home there - in a very tiny gated community that is very isolated - and thanks to 2 hurricanes that went through in November (within 2 weeks of each other) there has been a substantial amount of damage to my home. If it doesn't get fixed we will lose our investment. So yeah, I'm going. And yes we are taking every precaution that we can, including getting the required PCR tests before we go and before we return in late March. We will also do our 2 week quarantine when we arrive before going out in the community, as well as when we return. KN95 masks will be worn the entire time we are travelling or near people. We have already arranged to have our fridge stocked before we get there and my dd will take care of it for us before we come home. And yes, if the world situation nosedives before we come home, we are prepared to stay there longer if needed. not everyone is an asshole eta - I do however know several people who have just been travelling within their own country (the US in particular) - to go to Vegas, or Lake Tahoe, or Branson - or other places that usually have casinos, just for a vacation. I don't think of that as being the same Just asking hypothetically, could you hire someone to do the work? Technically, there might be a difference between snowbirds and vacationing in one place (traveling around and road trips are different). However, if your travel is non essential and you’re going to a warmer climate, partly for convenience and comfort, it’s a little hard to see the distinction. I’m not calling anyone an asshole, but it does seem like there’s at least a little selfishness involved in nonessential travel and snowbirds traveling. And yes, there are ways to minimize the risk by quarantining, wearing masks etc. But, is it fair to potentially burden a healthcare system that’s already taxed (in the case of Florida)? Or perhaps a rural area without a lot of resources? No one’s perfect, including me. I’m sure that I’ve made choices and decisions that others would see as questionable. I will be hiring people to HELP with the work, in addition to buying all the supplies there - thus providing some jobs for people that have been very negatively impacted from the 2 hurricanes. However there is no way to find the people to hire or supervise the work without being there. I'm not looking to justify what I'm doing, and will not be changing my mind about going. This thread is a prime example of all the judgy-ness and unkindness that has been rampant everywhere since March. Don't ever assume you know someone else's situation.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 2, 2021 17:51:21 GMT
I live smack dab in the middle of snowbird heaven. And I can see why- its 80 degrees and mostly sunny today. Zero restrictions outside of a few stores like Publix requiring masks.
The thing is, on a good year the influx of people is difficult to handle. Traffic increases, lines are longer, appointments are harder to get....and so on. And I will be completely honest here- our winter visitors complain a lot. If I had a dollar for every time I heard “well back home we do it this way and it’s better” or “every one here is so slow” I could buy a second home too.
So this year is vastly different and a lot of us locals are very confused why people who often act like they don’t want to be here, want to be here. Add in the idea that vaccines (the few that our asshole governor has released)) are available to all and now even more people not following guidelines because they aren’t required here and there is some resentment.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 17:58:10 GMT
Just asking hypothetically, could you hire someone to do the work? Technically, there might be a difference between snowbirds and vacationing in one place (traveling around and road trips are different). However, if your travel is non essential and you’re going to a warmer climate, partly for convenience and comfort, it’s a little hard to see the distinction. I’m not calling anyone an asshole, but it does seem like there’s at least a little selfishness involved in nonessential travel and snowbirds traveling. And yes, there are ways to minimize the risk by quarantining, wearing masks etc. But, is it fair to potentially burden a healthcare system that’s already taxed (in the case of Florida)? Or perhaps a rural area without a lot of resources? No one’s perfect, including me. I’m sure that I’ve made choices and decisions that others would see as questionable. I will be hiring people to HELP with the work, in addition to buying all the supplies there - thus providing some jobs for people that have been very negatively impacted from the 2 hurricanes. However there is no way to find the people to hire or supervise the work without being there. I'm not looking to justify what I'm doing, and will not be changing my mind about going. This thread is a prime example of all the judgy-ness and unkindness that has been rampant everywhere since March. Don't ever assume you know someone else's situation. I'm not assuming anything. I started the thread because I was genuinely trying to understand why someone with the financial ability to stay up North would choose to relocate south during the winter, aside from the obvious comfort and convenience. I live in Northern New England, so I understand first hand the challenges of winters up north. Ashley pointed out a circumstance that I had not considered, trailers or homes not being winterized. And yours is a different situation as well, that's why I asked about hiring workers. I'm not trying to change your plans, but I'm wondering why you couldn't hire someone to supervise? Do you have neighbors there that could supervise? No obligation to respond, I don't need you to justify your decisions, I'm just trying to understand. And I will say again, that I'm not perfect and I'm sure that I've probably made questionable decisions. The problem with the virus is that our choices and decisions have an impact on others.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 18:01:35 GMT
Why would they have to get both shots at the same location? Neither DH nor I got our shingles vaccines at the same place, let alone in the same state. It's not like they set aside a second dose vial for you after you get your first one and hold it till you come back. Actually they have been planning holding the second shots, but Dr Fauci has suggested that to get more people started on the vaccine to forgo the hold. I am thinking that if someone gets a vaccine in the States it might be difficult or questioned in Canada. Just a question, did you get you your first shingles shot at a chain pharmacy? If so did you go to another pharmacy from the same chain? If so they had your records on file. The same way I can fill my Rx easily anywhere in the US if I go to Walgreens. I in fact have done it in the past. I did because I still had private insurance at the time. He didn't. We're both now covered with VA medical. We both got our flu shots this year at a grocery pharmacy, directed/covered by the VA. Our Covid vax could very well work the same, we're waiting on notification for our turn.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 2, 2021 18:04:01 GMT
My in-laws are among them. They have a big place in the Hamptons and a big place in Boca and they are down in Boca now. They want to be where their friends are and that is where their friends are. Who they are of course not seeing! Except for golf, and outdoor dinner, and cocktails, and just the occasional indoor dinner because you have to be careful. Well and some shopping. Butt not too much shopping, of course.
They made noise about coming to visit us and I just laughed and laughed.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jan 2, 2021 18:10:27 GMT
And by the end of February we should know if you can be vaccinated and still be a carrier. Will we? That's good news, I didn't know. I’m hoping so. Surely it is being studied now?
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Post by gar on Jan 2, 2021 18:16:06 GMT
Will we? That's good news, I didn't know. I’m hoping so. Surely it is being studied now? Oh I'm sure it is and I hope so too - I just hadn't heard mention of when we might know.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 2, 2021 18:16:41 GMT
Hypothetical of course but what if there were travel restrictions such as closed state borders in the US? Or how about a natural disaster such as a hurricane or series of hurricanes that destroyed retirement communities or areas where retirees come for the winter? Wouldn't people have to be resourceful and stay put? How is this different? Not ideal for some, but again this may be temporary if people think and look at the big picture. There’s no such thing as closing state borders in the US. It’s unconstitutional and completely unenforceable.
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Post by quiltz on Jan 2, 2021 18:19:07 GMT
I will be hiring people to HELP with the work, in addition to buying all the supplies there - thus providing some jobs for people that have been very negatively impacted from the 2 hurricanes. However there is no way to find the people to hire or supervise the work without being there. I'm not looking to justify what I'm doing, and will not be changing my mind about going. This thread is a prime example of all the judgy-ness and unkindness that has been rampant everywhere since March. Don't ever assume you know someone else's situation. You do not need to justify why you are going. This is an investment that you are looking after. You have a plan and are an intelligent person. Not everything goes according to plan, but you are doing your best to cover all of the bases. Enjoy your time in a warmer climate. I am sure that the local people will be happy to have work to do. Make sure you have masks for them, as they have possibly had no access or funds to purchase PPE. Bring along all the medicine that you can and remember that you can purchase Tylenol 1, which has codeine, in case of a more serious injury, which you can buy at Costco, Shoppers OTC (over the counter). Bring along pepto, cortisone cream, imodium, water purification tablets, benadryl, asprin low dosage, syringes, and if your doctor will prescribe for you - Ciprol (ciprofloxacin), Amoxicllin and Flagyl. Also an epi-pen or just the vials of epinephrine as you will have clean syringes to administer and this is a cheaper option. I bring all of the above plus sterile gloves and gause, burn cream and polysporin as well as eye drops when I travel to the Caribbean & Cuba. Thru friends who are involved with Doctors without Borders, I have a referral to a local medical clinic. They will be informed before I come and will know when I am to finish my trip. They will then pick up whatever I have left-over as many of these items are expensive and/or impossible for them to procure. I'm sure that MANY peas will think that the above is "over-kill", but my friend is a doctor who travels all over the world with used medical equipment, medications, medical supplies and similar. If you let Air Canada know in-advance (I do this at booking the flight) that you are bringing humanitarian supplies to your destination, they have, for me, allowed 1 bag at the allowed weight to travel without fees. For most Caribbean flights, Air Canada has (in the past) allowed checked bag per ticket. I buy suitcases or hockey bags at a thrift store. I usually put in clothing that I would probably donate at home, larger sized toiletries in one bag and the medical stuff in another bag. I also have a hard-sided carry-on that has essentials for me. All that comes back home with me is my carry-on bag.
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Post by whipea on Jan 2, 2021 18:23:54 GMT
Hypothetical of course but what if there were travel restrictions such as closed state borders in the US? Or how about a natural disaster such as a hurricane or series of hurricanes that destroyed retirement communities or areas where retirees come for the winter? Wouldn't people have to be resourceful and stay put? How is this different? Not ideal for some, but again this may be temporary if people think and look at the big picture. There’s no such thing as closing state borders in the US. It’s unconstitutional and completely unenforceable. Brilliant. That is why I said "hypothetical".
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Post by myshelly on Jan 2, 2021 18:27:31 GMT
There’s no such thing as closing state borders in the US. It’s unconstitutional and completely unenforceable. Brilliant. That is why I said "hypothetical. How is it useful to do a hypothetical of an impossible situation? I think the fact that open travel between states is so engrained in our culture is playing a huge role in Americans continuing to travel. I disagree with your hypothetical conclusion that people would have to be resourceful and stay put. People would protest and go to court. They wouldn’t stay put.
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Post by tanya2 on Jan 2, 2021 18:34:32 GMT
I will be hiring people to HELP with the work, in addition to buying all the supplies there - thus providing some jobs for people that have been very negatively impacted from the 2 hurricanes. However there is no way to find the people to hire or supervise the work without being there. I'm not looking to justify what I'm doing, and will not be changing my mind about going. This thread is a prime example of all the judgy-ness and unkindness that has been rampant everywhere since March. Don't ever assume you know someone else's situation. You do not need to justify why you are going. This is an investment that you are looking after. You have a plan and are an intelligent person. Not everything goes according to plan, but you are doing your best to cover all of the bases. Enjoy your time in a warmer climate. I am sure that the local people will be happy to have work to do. Make sure you have masks for them, as they have possibly had no access or funds to purchase PPE. Bring along all the medicine that you can and remember that you can purchase Tylenol 1, which has codeine, in case of a more serious injury, which you can buy at Costco, Shoppers OTC (over the counter). Bring along pepto, cortisone cream, imodium, water purification tablets, benadryl, asprin low dosage, syringes, and if your doctor will prescribe for you - Ciprol (ciprofloxacin), Amoxicllin and Flagyl. Also an epi-pen or just the vials of epinephrine as you will have clean syringes to administer and this is a cheaper option. I bring all of the above plus sterile gloves and gause, burn cream and polysporin as well as eye drops when I travel to the Caribbean & Cuba. Thru friends who are involved with Doctors without Borders, I have a referral to a local medical clinic. They will be informed before I come and will know when I am to finish my trip. They will then pick up whatever I have left-over as many of these items are expensive and/or impossible for them to procure. I'm sure that MANY peas will think that the above is "over-kill", but my friend is a doctor who travels all over the world with used medical equipment, medications, medical supplies and similar. If you let Air Canada know in-advance (I do this at booking the flight) that you are bringing humanitarian supplies to your destination, they have, for me, allowed 1 bag at the allowed weight to travel without fees. For most Caribbean flights, Air Canada has (in the past) allowed checked bag per ticket. I buy suitcases or hockey bags at a thrift store. I usually put in clothing that I would probably donate at home, larger sized toiletries in one bag and the medical stuff in another bag. I also have a hard-sided carry-on that has essentials for me. All that comes back home with me is my carry-on bag. Thank you those are some great tips! I have a box of masks packed for our use, but good idea to add some extras for people there. And I always travel with a full pharmacy in my bag LOL but you listed some items I hadn't thought of.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 2, 2021 19:26:57 GMT
I’m not sure that closing state borders is unconstitutional. At the beginning of the pandemic, New England states talked about closing interstate highways. I think even Florida talked about closing its borders. Interstate highways could be closed. Lots of states have travel restrictions from other parts of the country. Closing state borders may have been unthinkable before the pandemic, but not now.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 2, 2021 19:37:19 GMT
I’m not sure that closing state borders is unconstitutional. At the beginning of the pandemic, New England states talked about closing interstate highways. I think even Florida talked about closing its borders. Interstate highways could be closed. Lots of states have travel restrictions from other parts of the country. Closing state borders may have been unthinkable before the pandemic, but not now. It is. Fewer states have travel restrictions than you think. When you start to research, most states that say they have restrictions are really just recommendations with no real enforcement. States can talk about it all they want, but none of them actually did it.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 2, 2021 19:50:08 GMT
Selfishness and entitlement, not to mention, you can bet that any Canadian that gets sick will be rushing back to Canada for health care. They want the best of everything, too bad for the rest of us suckers that follow the rules. My BFF has a second home in Palm Springs and it is killing her to spend a winter in Vancouver. She has friends that have gone down and it is easy to get sucked into the "I can follow the stay home orders just as easily in the sun as I can in the rain" argument. The reality of getting sick in a place where hospitals are at zero capacity and not being able to get on a plane to fly home while COVID positive were her reasons for sucking it up. Travel insurance is available but it doesn't guarantee treatment. She flew home abruptly in March when Canadians were advised to do so anticipating she's be back down in 6-8 weeks to close up the house and get her car. The car is still here. Other friends sold their Sun City AZ homes anticipating they wouldn't be using them for a couple years.
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Post by lostwithout2peas on Jan 2, 2021 21:02:58 GMT
I'm gonna jump in here and give the perspective as the person who works in the snowbird community....
When this all 1st started, they pushed back on wearing masks and social distancing. So many of them, I would say a good majority of them, just weren't worried about it and not taking it seriously. I would be wearing scrubs and they would be all up in my bubble to the point where I would have to deploy a fake cough to have to get them to back off.
As the months wore on, since our Governor is a douch canoe and didn't impose very many restrictions, our local mayor had to, but this community is its own little town out of city limits, so things really didn't apply to them. I would drive by and see them on the golf courses without masks and not social distancing, local restaurants packed, them still having get-togethers and basically them just not wanting to have their lives disrupted. I know quite a few of them and when questioned they just didn't want to be locked down, they would be lonely. I voiced my opinion about spreading the virus further among the community and how Arizona was already having such a hard time with it and they would just gloss over it.
And yes, they do put an extra strain on the Healthcare system given their age and propensity to have to go to the hospital for a fall, heart attack, etc... I know cause I can see the fire station from the window of the home I work in and they go out so often that all the HOA's passed a thing where they are not allowed to use their sirens in the neighborhoods. Man, if they did, that's all we would hear all day!
Now our hospitals are at capacity. To me, from my perspective, they just seemed so selfish. My family are all front line workers. We have given up seeing our families for months on end. No Holidays, birthdays, everything. And we still got Covid cause my Son brought it home from work. And now I lost someone I love to it.
So yes, snowbirds are good for economy and all that, but right now our Healthcare system is about to buckle and people are dying. Seems like putting people before money just seems like the right thing to do. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows anymore in this crazy topsy turvy world we are living in now a days 🥴
Edited to add: and yes, I have been impacted economically by covid, before anyone says anything about me not knowing about the impact of not having snowbirds would have or putting people before money. It's not easy, we are struggling for sure, would be nice if our government helped more, but nothing, nothing, no money in the world compares to losing someone. So 1 person is enough. So I will struggle in order to keep those that I love ALIVE! 😢
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Post by jeanninem on Jan 2, 2021 21:03:01 GMT
I think the issue is less where are you and why did you go there versus what are you doing once there. Many, many Americans still don't accept that the pandemic is real, that masks aren't political, and that your friends and family are more likely to give you COVID than a stranger.
Until people accept these basic facts, they are just assholes no matter where they are. I am much less concerned about two snowbirds who understand that fact and behave accordingly than I am two locals who don't wear a mask, go out to bars and entertain.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jan 2, 2021 22:47:00 GMT
The numbers are down, but people are still traveling south for the winter. apnews.com/article/travel-pandemics-arizona-florida-coronavirus-pandemic-b7bc22b9d3946d5535a792716c137192What am I missing? If you’re traveling from the Northeast, especially New England or Canada, the cases are lower than in Florida. Assuming you’re older, retired & not traveling for financial reasons, why not stay put? I live in New Hampshire, so I understand cold winters. But in the middle of a pandemic, that doesn’t seem like a compelling reason. In Canada we do have a higher number of snowbirds staying put than who traveled to Florida for the winter. I read some interviews where the snowbirds said they just wanted to live their lives despite the possibility of catching the virus. I currently have niece aged 21 who went on a trip to Florida right before Christmas. Yep, even though we were all told to not take unnecessary trips. Even took her dog (a small thing that fits in a "dog purse"). My sister said that she will be staying at a hotel for 2 weeks when she comes back because she has to quarantine for 14 days. Doesn't seem to be worried where her daughter is. When we closed air flight from the UK even Canadians got stuck there. My sister won't say when she is coming back. But on Jan 7th, the airports in Canada will require all infight persons to have a negative COVID 19 test. And they have to pay it themselves. Up to now, the testing was done by airports. I just hope she comes back healthy. Our cases have been raising drastically and I'm at a loss why my 21 year old niece thought this trip was necessary. I'm guessing her and my sister (they live together) think they must just live their lives no matter what. I can't even have a virus conversation with this sister because she goes batshit crazy on you if you do. My younger sister warned me. I was hesitant to discuss her daughter but I am concerned about her.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Jan 2, 2021 22:57:56 GMT
Um... so do you grow money on trees that you could maybe donate to these people? Are there are lot of people you know that can afford to carry a six or seven month rental expense on top of paying for two other homes, while on a fixed income? Perhaps you’d like to take in a couple of old people into your home. To be clear, I know different kinds of snow birds. There are the ones like my sister’s husband’s family, and parents of some of my friends: they have homes here year round, and go to Florida or South Carolina for a few months in the winter to get away. None of these people that I know personally are travelling. They’re generally semi-retired and do have a place to stay here. The other snow birds are like my grandmother or the many many people I know from seasonal trailer parks: they have a fixed income and spend April - October living in a camper trailer. My mom has a friend who’s ex husband is also in this position. They simply do not have the money to rent a third home for half the year. And they can’t stay in their trailers because they aren’t winterized. Have you ever tried looking for a place to rent for six months? Ha! It’s not that easy. And have you ever tried taking on the expense of a third home with no additional income or ability to work? My grandmother is fortunate that she can live with my aunt, but I’m not sure what she would have done if my aunt didn’t have an accessible first floor bedroom for her. I didn’t know living in camper trailers was a thing here in the Northeast. I live in NYC, and am not trying to be snarky, I just don’t know of anyone who lives in a trailer. I do know people who rent in Fla. or have condos there. In Canada, I live in a rural town that has a retirement community. Some live in apartments. Some live in the trailer parks. The trailer park people can't live there in the winter so most travel south to the USA for warmer weather. There are many that can't afford that and stay here anyway. I'm assuming the trailer park helps those that want to move for the winter save on money to do so.
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Post by melodyesch on Jan 2, 2021 23:15:34 GMT
My neighbors just left yesterday morning for Florida for the next few months. Honestly, though, I didn’t think anything of it. They wore their masks and social distanced while they were here and said they will do the same thing in Florida, where they own a stand alone house. Since they are driving straight through and stopping only for gas and at rest stops, I didn’t think it was a concern. I guess maybe I’d feel differently if they were flying.
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