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Post by lisae on Jan 3, 2021 21:24:06 GMT
Well, I know how I feel about it. She would be crossed off my friend list. She lied and took something that was not hers to take. Basically she stole a dose from someone else. Who doesn't have someone they would like to see if only they could the vaccine?
Just because she spent 4 hours stealing that dose does nothing to justify her actions.
Just because your state is not doing the best job with the rollout (who's is?) doesn't justify her actions.
This is sort of like saying it is okay to loot an abandoned building because the owners should have done more to secure it.
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Post by Loydene on Jan 3, 2021 21:31:37 GMT
I wish that REAL scientific protocols were being followed for distribution of the vaccine. Teachers would be higher on the list than they are; the elderly would be lower. Why would elderly be lower?? What I've read and how I understand it -- from a scientific POV, the vaccine should go first to health care providers and first responders, then the people/jobs who come into the most contact with other people -- it is a "stop the spread" philosophy v. a more sentimental "protect the elderly". Under this way of thinking, the elderly don't come into contact with a lot of other people - unlike bus drivers or retail workers who do come into contact with a wider variety of people.
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Post by dewryce on Jan 4, 2021 0:24:43 GMT
Yeah, but here 2,000 people died just today from COVID. And that’s before the Christmas cases peak. A few weeks ago it was 3,000. In one day. A few months is an eternity. Yes and your point is? It still doesn't mean that person A who missed out on the vaccine will now die because person B got the vaccine first. That's far too simplistic. Person B might have been the one to catch it and pass it on to 10 others and 5 of those might have died, so person A will have survived and as a result 5 others died. There's endless possibilities of how this plays out. The main point is that people getting vaccinated is better than people not and the more people and the sooner they get vaccinated the better it is for EVERYONE else. You're acting as if the vaccine is a finite resource and not getting on a particular day means certain death and that is simply not a cogent argument. And if you can't understand that, then I'm not wasting my time explaining it again. I understand that, and never said anything about it being a finite resource. Your argument suggests that less people will be getting the vaccine if these lying assholes allowed the proper recipients to get it first. I agreed with your first point that this was better than the alternative of people lying not to take it. So we aren’t discussing less people getting the vaccine, rather different people getting the vaccine first. People more likely to suffer severe complications from the virus. If you can’t understand that is a unethical, immoral thing to do and their selfish decision could cause the death of someone in a vulnerable medical state and that that is what I am complaining about, then I’m wasting my time explaining it again.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 4, 2021 0:46:55 GMT
While it isn't a very moral thing to do, I'd prefer this behaviour and people getting the vaccine to the opposite where they lie NOT to get it. The more people who have it and the sooner they have it, the better for everyone else. They are going to be churning out all 3 vaccines as fast as they can for quite some time, a few people getting it earlier than some others ultimately won't be significant. They estimate that they should be able to vaccinate 1,000,000 people a day in the US. Given that two shots are needed, we're talking almost two years for the job to be completed. But, according to you, people who are the least vulnerable and most mobile and cunning should be congratulated for doing their upmost to jump the line. Yes, that sounds good to me.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 4, 2021 0:51:39 GMT
Terrible. I don't think I could be her friend.
Here if you're in one of the first groups, you'll be contacted.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 4, 2021 1:08:30 GMT
Terrible. I don't think I could be her friend. Here if you're in one of the first groups, you'll be contacted. Here there is no master list of us. The closest list would be Medicare for those over 65. Who knows how we might get added to lists for the vaccine. Supposedly I am in the group 1b..
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Post by maryland on Jan 4, 2021 1:31:18 GMT
I would be mad that someone lied to get a vaccine ahead of people who need it more. My husband and I have friends we would really like to see too, but we aren't going to lie to get the vaccine before people who really need it.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 4, 2021 1:40:33 GMT
But, according to you, people who are the least vulnerable and most mobile and cunning should be congratulated for doing their upmost to jump the line. Yes, that sounds good to me. No that's not what I said. Learn to interpret. What I said was the more people who are taking up the vaccine (no matter if they "qualify" for the first stage or not) the better it is for the community as a whole. Every person who gets vaccinated is a GOOD thing and helps to protect the community, and from what I am reading from some of the people on this and other threads who actually live in the USA, the general update of the vaccine isn't that high, and confidence is low, so anyone who gets it is helping. As I said in my original post, it may not be a very moral action on the teachers part, but irrespective of that, it still helps the community as a whole, and that attitude is preferable to those who are refusing the vaccine. In a situation like this you have to look at the overall big picture. I have a much bigger problem with someone lying to avoid getting the vaccine than I do with someone lying in order to get it.
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Post by maryland on Jan 4, 2021 1:40:37 GMT
This thread has me really encouraged. I live in a very red community. Emphasis on the RED. People here don't wear masks whether employees or customers. We still have trump trains go by. Please let this mean that only 17 percent of these fools will accept the vaccine. This will drastically reduce the wait for our family, who are trying to wait patiently. For the first time in forever, I may love our county. That would be so frustrating! We live in a red county and in our part of the county, people are pretty good at wearing masks. The little kids are so much better than many adults with their masks. I get so mad if I am in Walmart and see a couple of people being maskholes and more being nosers. But I couldn't imagine most employees and customers not wearing masks. I hope your family can get the vaccine soon!
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Post by mammajamma on Jan 4, 2021 4:31:13 GMT
Yes I’m seeing this also. It’s disappointing and It makes me sad for those people really needing the vaccine. But also, my county does not have the ability to put everyone in a perfect sorted order. Even within the phase 1B group there would be a wide range of needs and risk. You would think knowing for months we have been waiting for this moment, they could have worked on ways to better roll this out.
As a cancer survivor, I have been concerned all along and calling my doctors about how to be put on a waiting list. I heard that group 1B included “cancer” so I filled out a form last week for the vaccine and got an automated call 2 days after that I could show up for a vaccine. The form did not have anything to elaborate and I thought I would be getting a call to inquire more about my eligibility/condition and place me on a list for an order. Instead the message gave a 30 min notice to the start time of when I could show up for my vaccine. I had no time to second guess. I went. I was so thankful, but I also have guilt, as now I read more people needing it worse shape than me. Some friends made me feel like I shouldn’t qualify. There was no explanation about cancer vs cancer history and i have not gotten consistent answers from my doctors through COVID. I signed up early before it was published in the paper, that’s how I think I slid in a perfect window. I do not feel like I lied, but my guilt is that the system worked in my favor because I was proactive and quickly responded before the word was everywhere.
Since then, I have had a VERY covid conscience / anxious friend who was formerly a nurse, call around feverishly to locate a pharmacy who would vaccinate her. She is not employed and hasn’t been for years as she raises her children. No underlying conditions except a lot of anxiety over covid.
As a result of my vaccination, I saw first hand how the process worked and my DH and I devised a plan to take our 97 year old neighbor to the site. He stood in line in the cold and rain for 1.5 hours for her, while she waited in the car until it was time to enter the building. We took a number of precautions just to have her ride in the car with him. Her family all lives out of state. There was no way she could have navigated that process alone, even though she is a very mentally and physically able person. She was so grateful to my husband that he would be willing to stand in line for her. I believe it was more than a vaccine for her - it showed her that her life was worthy to others. It was a true honor to be able to do that for her. She would eventually be able to get that vaccine, but I estimate we helped her get 3 weeks ahead of schedule. Who knows.
I also told another friend I have who has a pretty severe immune disorder about the signup. Her 19 year old daughter also has the same disorder and both were able to get vaccinated by “skipping the line”. Is it right? I don’t know. But I truly think the people I helped were in the phase 1B grouping and there is no guarantees that others on that list were truthful.
Today, I heard of a 30-something neighbor trying to get vaccines for herself and her pilot husband. They apparently don’t have any underlying conditions.
I don’t like feeling judge-y of who is worthy to be in which group. I also don’t like to hear of people deliberately lying. It’s just a crappy situation which should be a celebratory step we have waited for.
Now, personally, I don’t think they set the groups right...seems like a point system with multiple factors would be better. But they should have worked on this months ago! Now it’s everyone for themselves. I would like to see people at least abide by the group to step in line.
I hope your ‘friend’ can find a way to pay it back at least. By finding 2-3 very deserving at-risk people and helping them through the door who may otherwise find it challenging for some time.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jan 4, 2021 10:15:15 GMT
I have a daughter who is undergoing chemo for breast cancer that has spread to her lymph nodes. She is also a RN so the hospital system where she works has to be careful about where she is assigned. It is doubtful if she would survive a case of covid-19. I am so thankful she was able to get vaccinated the first day they came out.
But, if there had not been enough doses available for her to get one, I would have been livid if I found out someone lied to get a dose that she could have used. That would have meant she would have had to wait a week for the next chance to get her shot. That would have put the whole process of her achieving immunity back for a week. While achieving immunity, she still has to work to keep her health insurance and pay her bills. Just because she no longer works with covid patients like she did last summer, does not mean she is not at risk. Every day she works, she is putting herself at risk. All it takes is one accident to expose her - a tear in her gloves, a negligent worker, distracted doctor and the list can go on.
There are many others in her situation working in the hospitals and on the front lines who have no choice. While the goal is to achieve herd immunity, I am concerned about individual immunity of the people we need to keep our society going. We should be doing everything we can to reduce the risks they are taking.
My husband and I are in the 1b group. But we are not going to push to get the vaccination until we are sure all nurses and others on the front lines have been vaccinated. We are staying home. That is how we are staying safe. Our car has only needed more filling up with gas once since last March. Lying to get the vaccination is not something I could forgive or forget. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 12:33:34 GMT
I wish that REAL scientific protocols were being followed for distribution of the vaccine. Teachers would be higher on the list than they are; the elderly would be lower.Why? Are the elderly dispensable then? The whole point of the vaccination, any vaccination, is to save lives. The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. The numbers that have died in the UK are far greater in the elderly than in any other age group including the medically vulnerable. In addition to the risk of dying, far more elderly people are admitted to hospital if they do catch the virus. Vaccinating the elderly as a priority would therefore free more hospital beds and not impose such a strain on the facilities because you've removed the largest number of admissions. I'm grateful that I live in a country that has socialist Universal Health Care where there is no chance of anyone jumping the queue ( line) or lying about their own " selfish" needs over others and is organized enough to vaccinate the most vulnerable of society first and in turn save lives, whatever their age.
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2021 15:25:11 GMT
Further update - the city opened online registration for vaccine appointments this morning for groups 1a and 1b. I am in group 1b, so I have my appointment Wednesday. Cautiously optimistic!
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2021 15:26:55 GMT
I wish that REAL scientific protocols were being followed for distribution of the vaccine. Teachers would be higher on the list than they are; the elderly would be lower.Why? Are the elderly dispensable then? The whole point of the vaccination, any vaccination, is to save lives. The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. The numbers that have died in the UK are far greater in the elderly than in any other age group including the medically vulnerable. In addition to the risk of dying, far more elderly people are admitted to hospital if they do catch the virus. Vaccinating the elderly as a priority would therefore free more hospital beds and not impose such a strain on the facilities because you've removed the largest number of admissions. I'm grateful that I live in a country that has socialist Universal Health Care where there is no chance of anyone jumping the queue ( line) or lying about their own " selfish" needs over others and is organized enough to vaccinate the most vulnerable of society first and in turn save lives, whatever their age. The only plausible argument I’ve seen for asking retired people who live independently to go in a later group is because those folks have the choice to stay home. Essential workers don’t have that choice.
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Post by Loydene on Jan 4, 2021 15:32:17 GMT
I wish that REAL scientific protocols were being followed for distribution of the vaccine. Teachers would be higher on the list than they are; the elderly would be lower.Why? Are the elderly dispensable then? The whole point of the vaccination, any vaccination, is to save lives. The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. The numbers that have died in the UK are far greater in the elderly than in any other age group including the medically vulnerable. In addition to the risk of dying, far more elderly people are admitted to hospital if they do catch the virus. Vaccinating the elderly as a priority would therefore free more hospital beds and not impose such a strain on the facilities because you've removed the largest number of admissions. I'm grateful that I live in a country that has socialist Universal Health Care where there is no chance of anyone jumping the queue ( line) or lying about their own " selfish" needs over others and is organized enough to vaccinate the most vulnerable of society first and in turn save lives, whatever their age. Oh Good LORD! *I* am elderly - of course the "elderly" are not dispensable. I just GO to fewer places and don't interact with other people. I am at a very low standard of transmitting any disease because I don't GO anyplace! I stated what I'd read in an above post -- the vaccine should go to the persons who interact with others the most -- to stop the spread. And I totally wish that the United States had Universal Health Care like the UK and other countries.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 4, 2021 16:25:44 GMT
But, according to you, people who are the least vulnerable and most mobile and cunning should be congratulated for doing their upmost to jump the line. Yes, that sounds good to me. No that's not what I said. Learn to interpret. What I said was the more people who are taking up the vaccine (no matter if they "qualify" for the first stage or not) the better it is for the community as a whole. Every person who gets vaccinated is a GOOD thing and helps to protect the community, and from what I am reading from some of the people on this and other threads who actually live in the USA, the general update of the vaccine isn't that high, and confidence is low, so anyone who gets it is helping. As I said in my original post, it may not be a very moral action on the teachers part, but irrespective of that, it still helps the community as a whole, and that attitude is preferable to those who are refusing the vaccine. In a situation like this you have to look at the overall big picture. I have a much bigger problem with someone lying to avoid getting the vaccine than I do with someone lying in order to get it. I understand what you’re saying but after living through a year where one of the key words was selfish, I am disgusted that the theme is continuing into 2021.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 4, 2021 16:31:43 GMT
Why? Are the elderly dispensable then? The whole point of the vaccination, any vaccination, is to save lives. The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. The numbers that have died in the UK are far greater in the elderly than in any other age group including the medically vulnerable. In addition to the risk of dying, far more elderly people are admitted to hospital if they do catch the virus. Vaccinating the elderly as a priority would therefore free more hospital beds and not impose such a strain on the facilities because you've removed the largest number of admissions. I'm grateful that I live in a country that has socialist Universal Health Care where there is no chance of anyone jumping the queue ( line) or lying about their own " selfish" needs over others and is organized enough to vaccinate the most vulnerable of society first and in turn save lives, whatever their age. Oh Good LORD! *I* am elderly - of course the "elderly" are not dispensable. I just GO to fewer places and don't interact with other people. I am at a very low standard of transmitting any disease because I don't GO anyplace! I stated what I'd read in an above post -- the vaccine should go to the persons who interact with others the most -- to stop the spread. And I totally wish that the United States had Universal Health Care like the UK and other countries. Well, you are not every older person. I know people in their late 60’s/early 70’s who are depressed at having to be at home and go nowhere. Some are recently retired and are just now at a point in their lives where they have the time and money to travel but instead they don’t even feel safe to go out to do their groceries and see their grandchildren. Yes, teachers are essential workers and should be one of the priorities, but so are older people who are much more vulnerable to this virus.
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Post by sam9 on Jan 4, 2021 16:39:35 GMT
Terrible. I don't think I could be her friend. Here if you're in one of the first groups, you'll be contacted. I know you’ve said before that you have friends or are in contact with some of the Canadian decision makers. Outside of care homes and essential medical workers, do you know how independent elderly people here will be contacted?
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Post by M on Jan 4, 2021 16:44:35 GMT
If she really had asthma, she wouldn't lie about it. It's no fun.
In the big scheme of things, I think it will be eventually be available to everyone, so I am not in a rush. This whole roll out has been not to cool, at least in my area, but I guess we learn as we go along.
That being said, I am waiting until noon to start calling to get an appointment for my dad, so maybe I am not as calm about it as I think I am.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 16:54:16 GMT
Why? Are the elderly dispensable then? The whole point of the vaccination, any vaccination, is to save lives. The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. The numbers that have died in the UK are far greater in the elderly than in any other age group including the medically vulnerable. In addition to the risk of dying, far more elderly people are admitted to hospital if they do catch the virus. Vaccinating the elderly as a priority would therefore free more hospital beds and not impose such a strain on the facilities because you've removed the largest number of admissions. I'm grateful that I live in a country that has socialist Universal Health Care where there is no chance of anyone jumping the queue ( line) or lying about their own " selfish" needs over others and is organized enough to vaccinate the most vulnerable of society first and in turn save lives, whatever their age. The only plausible argument I’ve seen for asking retired people who live independently to go in a later group is because those folks have the choice to stay home. Essential workers don’t have that choice. Maybe so, but many of them have to go out for food and other essentials such as Doctors visits. Some of them have no choice as they don't have family near enough to help them. There are many active over70's/ 80's that are not necessarily strong enough in immunity to fight this virus, purely because of their ago. The strength of the immune response to viruses and other illness declines with age. They are just as likely to catch it that one time as someone who has to go out to work who are less at risk in getting seriously ill with it. Yes, some who are younger do get seriously ill with it but the numbers are not as high as in that older age group. It's all about the level of risk that one is exposed too and the consequences.
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2021 17:06:38 GMT
The only plausible argument I’ve seen for asking retired people who live independently to go in a later group is because those folks have the choice to stay home. Essential workers don’t have that choice. Maybe so, but many of them have to go out for food and other essentials such as Doctors visits. Some of them have no choice as they don't have family near enough to help them. There are many active over70's/ 80's that are not necessarily strong enough in immunity to fight this virus, purely because of their ago. The strength of the immune response to viruses and other illness declines with age. They are just as likely to catch it that one time as someone who has to go out to work who are less at risk in getting seriously ill with it. Yes, some who are younger do get seriously ill with it but the numbers are not as high as in that older age group. It's all about the level of risk that one is exposed too and the consequences. I hear you. I’m thinking of the active folks who just want to resume their traveling schedule. I feel like they can wait. The point is moot, however, because literally no one in charge has asked me 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2021 17:20:15 GMT
Maybe so, but many of them have to go out for food and other essentials such as Doctors visits. Some of them have no choice as they don't have family near enough to help them. There are many active over70's/ 80's that are not necessarily strong enough in immunity to fight this virus, purely because of their ago. The strength of the immune response to viruses and other illness declines with age. They are just as likely to catch it that one time as someone who has to go out to work who are less at risk in getting seriously ill with it. Yes, some who are younger do get seriously ill with it but the numbers are not as high as in that older age group. It's all about the level of risk that one is exposed too and the consequences. I hear you. I’m thinking of the active folks who just want to resume their traveling schedule. I feel like they can wait. The point is moot, however, because literally no one in charge has asked me 😂 Me neither ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) but I can understand where you are coming from too. The whole point of the priority list here is to save lives and in turn saving the health system from getting overwhelmed as it's inevitable that the older one is the more care one will need.
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Post by Merge on Jan 4, 2021 17:22:56 GMT
I hear you. I’m thinking of the active folks who just want to resume their traveling schedule. I feel like they can wait. The point is moot, however, because literally no one in charge has asked me 😂 Me neither ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) but I can understand where you are coming from too. The whole point of the priority list here is to save lives and in turn saving the health system from getting overwhelmed as it's inevitable that the older one is the more care one will need. I have a 51 year old friend with no prior health conditions in ICU right now, with O2 levels edging him closer to needing a ventilator. He would not qualify for a vaccine right now. That feels like a risk I’m not willing to take so that someone else can traipse around the country and see their grandkids.
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Post by jubejubes on Jan 4, 2021 18:31:27 GMT
The risk of dying is far far higher the older you are than it is in the younger age group. This is a universal truth - that the older you are, the more likely you are going to die. Unfortunately, many older/elderly people have underlying conditions and if/when they get the Covid-19 virus, they are more likely to get very ill and die. My own personal thought is to make these elderly people as comfortable as possible and not to send them to a hospital, give hospice-type care at the care-home in a separate area from the rest of the residents. I would think that having the staff being vaccinated first in long term care homes (nursing homes, whatever term you use) would stop bringing in the virus to the elderly. Support systems to bring the essentials to other older/elderly people would also slow down the virus transfers. It is very important to have the administrators, doctors, nurses, cleaning staff etc to get the vaccine first. They are the "constant" in a hospital setting. Other "constant" people (teachers, grocery store employees, dentists, etc), the people who work with the public should get their vaccine. I hear you. I’m thinking of the active folks who just want to resume their traveling schedule. I feel like they can wait. The point is moot, however, because literally no one in charge has asked me 😂 ^ ^ ^ No one has asked me either, but I *like* what your wrote.
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Post by cycworker on Jan 4, 2021 18:32:37 GMT
Terrible. I don't think I could be her friend. Here if you're in one of the first groups, you'll be contacted. I know you’ve said before that you have friends or are in contact with some of the Canadian decision makers. Outside of care homes and essential medical workers, do you know how independent elderly people here will be contacted? Not of the top of my head, but I am pretty sure I can find out. PM me. If you/the independent elderly person lives in BC, let me know the health authority if you can. sam9
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 5, 2021 2:55:10 GMT
Teachers aren't 1b in Texas? I think Merge posted something, but I know our governor moved essential workers up the list recently I didn't see this answered directly - so no, teachers are not 1b. I believe they may have been originally, but they aren't currently. I am 1b simply because I'm too damn fat. I won't gallantly give away my vaccine when I am able to get it, as among other things, I have 2 minor children. But I also won't be clamoring to the front of the 1b line. While I happen to think I have value, I am not currently as integral to the overall fabric of society as people like medical staff and yes, teachers, are.
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Post by ellen on Jan 5, 2021 3:19:09 GMT
I think what she did is shitty. Mainly I just want to say that I hate everyone too. I either love everyone or hate everyone. Today I hate everyone.
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jan 5, 2021 10:15:17 GMT
www.webmd.com/cancer/coronavirus-cancerPast or current cancer patients have underlying conditions so to the pea that took the vaccine, don’t feel bad. You should take it. 2. Here are some of the conditions for taking the Covid -19vaccine. Asthma Cancer Chronic Kidney Disease Chronic Liver Disease/Liver Problem Chronic Lung Disease/COPD/ Dementia or other cognitive/memory disorders Diabetes or other endocrine system issues Heart Diseases/Heart Problems Hypertension Immune-compromised (any disease that impacts immune system) / Obese/overweight Pregnancy/ Sickle cell disease/ Solid organ transplant/
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Post by 50offscrapper on Jan 5, 2021 10:17:28 GMT
Yes I’m seeing this also. It’s disappointing and It makes me sad for those people really needing the vaccine. But also, my county does not have the ability to put everyone in a perfect sorted order. Even within the phase 1B group there would be a wide range of needs and risk. You would think knowing for months we have been waiting for this moment, they could have worked on ways to better roll this out. As a cancer survivor, I have been concerned all along and calling my doctors about how to be put on a waiting list. I heard that group 1B included “cancer” so I filled out a form last week for the vaccine and got an automated call 2 days after that I could show up for a vaccine. The form did not have anything to elaborate and I thought I would be getting a call to inquire more about my eligibility/condition and place me on a list for an order. Instead the message gave a 30 min notice to the start time of when I could show up for my vaccine. I had no time to second guess. I went. I was so thankful, but I also have guilt, as now I read more people needing it worse shape than me. Some friends made me feel like I shouldn’t qualify. There was no explanation about cancer vs cancer history and i have not gotten consistent answers from my doctors through COVID. I signed up early before it was published in the paper, that’s how I think I slid in a perfect window. I do not feel like I lied, but my guilt is that the system worked in my favor because I was proactive and quickly responded before the word was everywhere. Since then, I have had a VERY covid conscience / anxious friend who was formerly a nurse, call around feverishly to locate a pharmacy who would vaccinate her. She is not employed and hasn’t been for years as she raises her children. No underlying conditions except a lot of anxiety over covid. As a result of my vaccination, I saw first hand how the process worked and my DH and I devised a plan to take our 97 year old neighbor to the site. He stood in line in the cold and rain for 1.5 hours for her, while she waited in the car until it was time to enter the building. We took a number of precautions just to have her ride in the car with him. Her family all lives out of state. There was no way she could have navigated that process alone, even though she is a very mentally and physically able person. She was so grateful to my husband that he would be willing to stand in line for her. I believe it was more than a vaccine for her - it showed her that her life was worthy to others. It was a true honor to be able to do that for her. She would eventually be able to get that vaccine, but I estimate we helped her get 3 weeks ahead of schedule. Who knows. I also told another friend I have who has a pretty severe immune disorder about the signup. Her 19 year old daughter also has the same disorder and both were able to get vaccinated by “skipping the line”. Is it right? I don’t know. But I truly think the people I helped were in the phase 1B grouping and there is no guarantees that others on that list were truthful. Today, I heard of a 30-something neighbor trying to get vaccines for herself and her pilot husband. They apparently don’t have any underlying conditions. I don’t like feeling judge-y of who is worthy to be in which group. I also don’t like to hear of people deliberately lying. It’s just a crappy situation which should be a celebratory step we have waited for. Now, personally, I don’t think they set the groups right...seems like a point system with multiple factors would be better. But they should have worked on this months ago! Now it’s everyone for themselves. I would like to see people at least abide by the group to step in line. I hope your ‘friend’ can find a way to pay it back at least. By finding 2-3 very deserving at-risk people and helping them through the door who may otherwise find it challenging for some time. Having had cancer in the past is considered an underlying health condition. See my post above with link.
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momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 5, 2021 12:17:29 GMT
Not a fan of people like that. We all want to see our aging parents or grandparents!!
I haven't heard much about how they're doing things here other than they're working on getting emergency responders done currently. They did frontline workers and then care facilities. There is protocol for how it's being given out, as well it should be.
Me, i'm just happy that hopefully by beginning of next month my Dad (75 with health issues) and one of my kids (works in grocery every day) will be getting it. My fingers are crossed that mom with slightly less health issues will be able to get it when my Dad does.
Would I love to have it, absolutely...but there's an order for a reason and we need those most at risk vaccinated first.
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