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Post by SnoopyFan on Sept 30, 2021 0:23:17 GMT
Slacktivism is a real problem and I never saw it as that until I was diagnosed with breast cancer at 34. It was amazing how much purely pointless bullshit gets posted to try to say to your followers how wonderful you are for doing shit that benefits no one. Sorry, I've read this twice, but don't understand? She has exploited Collin’s death for money and attention from the start. It makes me suspect she’s either a) planning some sort of fundraiser situation in which that info will be revealed very dramatically, or b) that his cause of death was something unsavory that she doesn’t want people to know about. There was some recent speculation that she was going to start some sort of non-profit? Anyone heard anything? "Slacktivism" is when you do something that makes you feel good or makes it look like you are supporting a cause, when in reality you really aren't doing anything that makes a difference. It's stuff like Facebook posts that say, "Post this as your status for an hour if you know someone who's been touched by cancer." It might make you feel good, make you feel like you are raising awareness, when you really haven't done a thing. You can buy lots of things with pink ribbons for breast cancer awareness, but if the companies that make those items aren't actually donating money to research, is it doing any good? Or does it just make you feel good?
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 16, 2022 8:06:36 GMT
Please forgive me, I’m late to the thread and just binged it all in one sit down. I just wanted to comment on something from awhile back. It has to do with her not mentioning the cause of death. While I am totally appalled at her behavior and shocked at how disgraceful it is, and yet I do wholeheartedly believe that it is her right to keep it private—though she keeps basically nothing else private—one other part of it comes to mind. Since she’s still trying to get sympathy and money, I do find it curious that she hasn’t mentioned the cause of death because I can totally envision her trying so hard to be that “let’s raise awareness for X!” kind of slacktivism person. Slacktivism is a real problem and I never saw it as that until I was diagnosed with breast cancer at 34. It was amazing how much purely pointless bullshit gets posted to try to say to your followers how wonderful you are for doing shit that benefits no one. Maybe that’s being saved for later when maskless, ambush cookies at Walmart, and the other crap stops working. I was surprised she wouldn’t share the cause of death. Generally I’d never think that of regular people who’ve lost a loved one, but clearly the Katchners are not regular people. Lizzy has turned his death and her grief into a public performance. She has profited off airing her sads, her anger, and everything in between. It doesn’t track for me that she is keeping the cause of death a secret. This isn’t a woman who values privacy. She has exploited Collin’s death for money and attention from the start. It makes me suspect she’s either a) planning some sort of fundraiser situation in which that info will be revealed very dramatically, or b) that his cause of death was something unsavory that she doesn’t want people to know about. I thought I had unfollowed her on insta, but I think it was just her posts because I saw her stories today and she posted about.her ketamine therapy and how she is probably going to share the cause of his death this week because it is sacred to her She is something else, that is for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 14:37:02 GMT
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 16, 2022 16:27:12 GMT
Yes, she linked that article too.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 16, 2022 16:39:35 GMT
Yes, she linked that article too. I've only seen esketamine trials in Western Europe so far. Mostly nasal spray. Unipolar depression is no joke. I'm all for revolutionising the way we help people deal with such an ordeal. I'm over the if-you-eat-clean-and-meditate-enough-you'll-get-there attitude from influencers and social media. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain for many that requires drugs, period. I'm not going to shit on EK for this or talking openly about it. She has many (MAAAANY) issues but getting proper treatment isn't one.
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 16, 2022 16:51:51 GMT
Yes, she linked that article too. I've only seen esketamine trials in Western Europe so far. Mostly nasal spray. Unipolar depression is no joke. I'm all for revolutionising the way we help people deal with such an ordeal. I'm over the if-you-eat-clean-and-meditate-enough-you'll-get-there attitude from influencers and social media. It's a chemical imbalance in the brain for many that requires drugs, period. I'm not going to shit on EK for this or talking openly about it. She has many (MAAAANY) issues but getting proper treatment isn't one. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was disparaging the ketamine treatment, I was just more posting everything she was posting about, I probably shouldn't have mentioned it. Mostly I wanted to post about her dangling the fact that she might be ready to share COD this week because it was "sacred" to her. That just seems a weird way to word it. And her post sharing that someone shared with her that their child will have no social media EVER because of CK. Of course the mom was sharing that with EK via social media. And EK was sharing the message on her social media. SMH
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jan 16, 2022 17:03:51 GMT
Mostly I wanted to post about her dangling the fact that she might be ready to share COD this week because it was "sacred" to her. That just seems a weird way to word it. How many times has she dangled that carrot so far? I don't follow her. I check in once in a while but I think we're at least up to three times so far, right? Either share it or don't share it. There's no need to tease you might every time you need some attention. Premature deaths happen all the time. I personally don't think she should (and I also don't think it was a scandalous death à la overdose) but if she wants to, go for it. Stop making it some big "will she or won't she" thing. She just annoys me with this silly game. ETA: No probs about the ketamine treatment. I was just finally reading something positive from EK's online presence, that's all. It's a rare enough occurrence to highlight it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2022 18:11:08 GMT
Yes, she linked that article too. That's good to hear. I don't follow her or watch her stories, but it's interesting to note that she shared that article. As the article itself mentions: "for some, coding substance use as an antidepressant routine, and ingesting very tiny doses, seems to suit a sense of middle-class propriety and upwardly mobile productivity." I get the feeling she falls into that category of user.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Mar 5, 2022 14:08:44 GMT
She finally posted the cause of death on her Instagram this week - long post. Copied part and posted below.
He died of acute arrhythmia from myocarditis as a result of a genetic cardiomyopathy. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. His heart was too big
We do not know which gene mutation caused it. As the heart muscle began to have excessive stress instead of being able to repair itself, it replaced good heart muscle with scar tissue (fibrosis). The tissue deposits accumulated to the point where his heart began to dilate and fail as it was enlarged to the point where the electricity shut off. Nothing in this world could get it to start back up again.
He died of a heart too big.
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Post by needtime2scrap on Mar 5, 2022 14:21:08 GMT
Thanks for sharing! Not sure why it was a big secret for so long though?
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Post by honeypea on Mar 5, 2022 15:22:47 GMT
She finally posted the cause of death on her Instagram this week - long post. Copied part and posted below. He died of acute arrhythmia from myocarditis as a result of a genetic cardiomyopathy. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. His heart was too big We do not know which gene mutation caused it. As the heart muscle began to have excessive stress instead of being able to repair itself, it replaced good heart muscle with scar tissue (fibrosis). The tissue deposits accumulated to the point where his heart began to dilate and fail as it was enlarged to the point where the electricity shut off. Nothing in this world could get it to start back up again. He died of a heart too big. I’m no cardiologist, but I’ve read about myocarditis quite a bit as it’s come up as a possible side effect of mRNA vaccines, especially in young men (and I have two young adult sons). My understanding is that myocarditis is fairly easy to detect and treatment is straightforward and usually successful. The process she described, of scar tissue replacing healthy heart muscle, seems like it wouldn’t have been a quick acute onset (like I believe to be the case with the vaccine side effect cases), but rather a slower accumulation of damage. I wonder if this could’ve been detected by a physician before it caused failure and been treated. I can’t understand why she was so evasive about this COD.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2022 15:37:45 GMT
She finally posted the cause of death on her Instagram this week - long post. Copied part and posted below. He died of acute arrhythmia from myocarditis as a result of a genetic cardiomyopathy. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. His heart was too big We do not know which gene mutation caused it. As the heart muscle began to have excessive stress instead of being able to repair itself, it replaced good heart muscle with scar tissue (fibrosis). The tissue deposits accumulated to the point where his heart began to dilate and fail as it was enlarged to the point where the electricity shut off. Nothing in this world could get it to start back up again. He died of a heart too big. I’m no cardiologist, but I’ve read about myocarditis quite a bit as it’s come up as a possible side effect of mRNA vaccines, especially in young men (and I have two young adult sons). My understanding is that myocarditis is fairly easy to detect and treatment is straightforward and usually successful. The process she described, of scar tissue replacing healthy heart muscle, seems like it wouldn’t have been a quick acute onset (like I believe to be the case with the vaccine side effect cases), but rather a slower accumulation of damage. I wonder if this could’ve been detected by a physician before it caused failure and been treated. I can’t understand why she was so evasive about this COD. A chest X ray would have shown it. I was born with a CHD and have had many xrays and echos. And the rhythms would be picked up by listening and an EKG. A basic exam would catch it. I had several friends in high school who were diagnosed with it and couldnt then compete with a sport after their physical.
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Post by honeypea on Mar 5, 2022 15:49:08 GMT
Thanks, @ sunnycamom That's what I suspected.
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Post by merry27 on Mar 5, 2022 17:30:30 GMT
Why was she so evasive about it? It made it seem like there was more to the story when there really wasn’t. She over shares about everything else in her life so I find it strange that she waited so long to share his cause of death.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 5, 2022 17:38:41 GMT
Why was she so evasive about it? It made it seem like there was more to the story when there really wasn’t. She over shares about everything else in her life so I find it strange that she waited so long to share his cause of death. Drama and attention seeking. Things have been quiet on her end, I imagine she was waiting until she was feeling ignored and needed a boost of attention showered on her. I know that makes me sound like a terrible person, but I really dislike her hypocrisy and attention seeking behavior.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2022 21:29:23 GMT
I doubt that this is the case here, but there are policies that can become “paid up” meaning no additional premiums are needed after a certain time frame. Hypothetically a parent could buy this type of policy on their baby but either never tell them or tell that at age 18 and the kid forgets. We each have a paid up policy. We also keep our important papers in a binder, so that is one less thing we need to worry about. I am sure that some of it isn't current, but we do go through it now and then.
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 5, 2022 22:23:30 GMT
Why was she so evasive about it? It made it seem like there was more to the story when there really wasn’t. She over shares about everything else in her life so I find it strange that she waited so long to share his cause of death. I think she just wanted to drag it out and then be able to tell everyone "He died of a heart too big." I'm sure the comments on it are super supportive and the grifting can continue in earnest.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 5, 2022 23:28:04 GMT
She finally posted the cause of death on her Instagram this week - long post. Copied part and posted below. He died of acute arrhythmia from myocarditis as a result of a genetic cardiomyopathy. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle. His heart was too big We do not know which gene mutation caused it. As the heart muscle began to have excessive stress instead of being able to repair itself, it replaced good heart muscle with scar tissue (fibrosis). The tissue deposits accumulated to the point where his heart began to dilate and fail as it was enlarged to the point where the electricity shut off. Nothing in this world could get it to start back up again. He died of a heart too big. I’m no cardiologist, but I’ve read about myocarditis quite a bit as it’s come up as a possible side effect of mRNA vaccines, especially in young men (and I have two young adult sons). My understanding is that myocarditis is fairly easy to detect and treatment is straightforward and usually successful. The process she described, of scar tissue replacing healthy heart muscle, seems like it wouldn’t have been a quick acute onset (like I believe to be the case with the vaccine side effect cases), but rather a slower accumulation of damage. I wonder if this could’ve been detected by a physician before it caused failure and been treated. I can’t understand why she was so evasive about this COD. You can get it from both. It’s more often a side effect of having had actual Covid itself over the vaccine, though. www.beaumont.org/health-wellness/blogs/myocarditis-risk-associated-with-covid-19-infection
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Post by joblackford on Mar 5, 2022 23:57:04 GMT
I did a quick search of cardiomyopathy here and it seems that it can be something you don't know you have that can worsen suddenly. One of the complications listed is " Cardiac arrest and sudden death. Cardiomyopathy can trigger abnormal heart rhythms that cause fainting or, in some cases, sudden death if your heart stops beating effectively." which is what sounds like happened here. A heart too big... It fits so nicely into the narrative she crafted about him. Sounds better than a damaged, swollen, erratic, failing heart, doesn't it? (No comment on him, I don't have any knowledge of him, just a comment on the way we can spin words and stories into whatever we want to say).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 0:22:17 GMT
You can get it from both. It’s more often a side effect of having had actual Covid itself over the vaccine, though. There wasn't even a vax when he died though (October 20, 2020). So, that shouldn't have been a consideration about why she waited so long.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 6, 2022 0:26:45 GMT
You can get it from both. It’s more often a side effect of having had actual Covid itself over the vaccine, though. There wasn't even a vax when he died though (October 20, 2020). So, that shouldn't have been a consideration about why she waited so long. I havent really been following the timeline on this, just pointing out it’s far less likely to get it from an mRNA vaccine than it is from an actual Covid infection. The fact there wasn’t vaccines available at the time he passed, would seem to back that. Although, I’ve no idea if he’d actually had Covid either, and am not reading back over 47734885 posts to find out. 😅
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 6, 2022 0:59:22 GMT
There wasn't even a vax when he died though (October 20, 2020). So, that shouldn't have been a consideration about why she waited so long. I havent really been following the timeline on this, just pointing out it’s far less likely to get it from an mRNA vaccine than it is from an actual Covid infection. The fact there wasn’t vaccines available at the time he passed, would seem to back that. Although, I’ve no idea if he’d actually had Covid either, and am not reading back over 47734885 posts to find out. 😅 If it had been caused by CV, that would be why she didn't say anything until now. They were out traveling all around and posting on social media. Spreading a virus, whether you believe in it or not, is not a good look.
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Post by refugeepea on Mar 6, 2022 1:59:23 GMT
We do not know which gene mutation caused it. As the heart muscle began to have excessive stress instead of being able to repair itself, it replaced good heart muscle with scar tissue (fibrosis). The tissue deposits accumulated to the point where his heart began to dilate and fail as it was enlarged to the point where the electricity shut off. Nothing in this world could get it to start back up again. He died of a heart too big. My kids lost a beloved theater teacher in his 40's from this. I did a quick search of cardiomyopathy here and it seems that it can be something you don't know you have that can worsen suddenly. One of the complications listed is " Cardiac arrest and sudden death. Cardiomyopathy can trigger abnormal heart rhythms that cause fainting or, in some cases, sudden death if your heart stops beating effectively." which is what sounds like happened here. It was my understanding that was what happened with their teacher too.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Mar 6, 2022 4:49:30 GMT
I havent really been following the timeline on this, just pointing out it’s far less likely to get it from an mRNA vaccine than it is from an actual Covid infection. The fact there wasn’t vaccines available at the time he passed, would seem to back that. Although, I’ve no idea if he’d actually had Covid either, and am not reading back over 47734885 posts to find out. 😅 If it had been caused by CV, that would be why she didn't say anything until now. They were out traveling all around and posting on social media. Spreading a virus, whether you believe in it or not, is not a good look. I have had long Covid since 10/2020 myself (although not diagnosed with myocarditis, but a myriad of other issues. The number of people who have myocarditis and other heart issues because of Covid/long Covid is vastly understated and is growing. I am a part of a few very large FB and other long Covid communities, so I’ve gotten some exposure globally to the long term impacts people like you and I are facing. It is sobering. I did have some rapid heart rate issues and other issues symptomatic of myocarditis during the first month I had Covid, and it’s surprising and sad to me that he did not get help, but maybe he was mistaking the symptoms for anxiety or something else. I know rapid HR too often gets misinterpreted as anxiety or panic. I worry for all of the undiagnosed people post Covid.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 6, 2022 13:36:52 GMT
So he died from genetic cardiomyopathy which has nothing to do with Covid-19 (although I'm guessing Covid-19 wouldn't help with the issue!) or mRNA vaccines. Just to make things clear. HCM (hypertrophic cardiomyopathy) is a silent killer and one of those super undiagnosed heart conditions. Many sufferers live just fine, symptom-free, until the fatal incident occurs. It's unfortunately not rare. I will say that it's possible Elizabeth kept this COD tucked away for some time because 1. it wasn't immediately diagnosed as we found out she was surprised by the autopsy report quite some time after his death 2. the children all needed testing. She is a drama queen and lives for the social media drama as we've all witnessed but in this case I get why there may have been a delay in announcing what led to her husband's death. Especially since she mentions they couldn't find the genetic mutation that caused his HCM. This is very worrying because they can't use his genetic mutation to track it directly in the kids' genetic testing. Basically, they are kind of in the dark when it comes to the detective work to figure out if any of the children have inherited the mutation that led to the condition. I'd be stressed out of my mind if that happened to me. I'm not a HCM specialist but I do know that cardiology departments that deal with the condition often have to play detective for the biological descendants when someone suddenly passes from it. I'm guessing this takes time and a toll on the family as a whole. I can't snark on her withholding the COD. She has 4 kids who will likely require regular monitoring for life now and who are at risk of passing the unknown mutation down to their own offspring when they become bio parents. None of this excuses the first kiss cake. Keeping things in perspective here.
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Post by paperamy on Mar 6, 2022 13:57:56 GMT
My main concern with this is her unhealthy romanticism of his cause of death. “His heart was too big for this world”.
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Post by peachiceteas on Mar 6, 2022 15:04:21 GMT
My main concern with this is her unhealthy romanticism of his cause of death. “His heart was too big for this world”. I don't think that is a fair criticism. Let's not forget that she's grieving the death of her husband and the father of her kids and this is one way in which she's dealing with it that isn't causing harm to anyone. It's a coping mechanism. It's the exact same thing I'd do if my husband died tomorrow. She stated the cause of death using facts and then concluded the post with something that brings her comfort. It's also no different than the romanticised idea (in my opinion) of Heaven. And that is something that is widely accepted even if you don't believe in it yourself. I would consider anyone who criticised a grieving widow for believing their husband had gone to Heaven a cold hearted MF. Let people believe what they need to believe. There's a lot that can be criticised or speculated that they both have done over the years but this for me isn't one of them.
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Post by honeypea on Mar 6, 2022 15:36:29 GMT
I think I wasn’t clear at all and definitely did a poor job with my wording re: cardiomyopathy in regards to vaccines. I know it’s more prevalent in covid infections versus vax side effects. I should’ve just left that whole bit out.
My interest in looking into it stemmed from the fact that my young adult sons (18&19 at the time), who were very low risk for extreme covid illness (due to age and having both already fully vaxed with two doses of Pfizer) - what the over/under was in them then getting boosted. It was specifically the booster dose I questioned - for them - given their demographic and that issue suddenly getting a lot of press at the time.
So anywho. Carry on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 15:49:17 GMT
My main concern with this is her unhealthy romanticism of his cause of death. “His heart was too big for this world”. I understand your point. She has been that way this whole time. While not really romanticizing, I would call it idealize. She loves to make him come off as perfect. Too good for this world. A saint in a way for the way hs tackled kids and cell phones that she accesses to spew this stuff.
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