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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 3:07:58 GMT
I know I was the black sheep of our immediate family. My mother always let me know (and not in a nice way). đ I was really different from my parents and sibling. Not in a bad way. I probably align with a lot of peas here, or so it seems.
I have a huge extended family with a lot of cousins. I see them posting on FB. There is a group of 6 older female cousins in their late 60s who hang out and have since they were born. They're the best of friends. They know everything about each other and all of the second cousins. I'm just hanging out on the sidelines watching. We have nothing in common except that our parents are siblings. Otherwise, they're all good people.
Who are the black sheep of the pea pod?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 22, 2021 3:23:25 GMT
Nope, I was everybodyâs favorite because I was the peacekeeper. My siblings were usually at each otherâs throats but they all liked me, probably because I would just let them talk and talk, usually smack about whoever they were not getting along with that day, LOL.
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Post by Zee on Feb 22, 2021 3:44:53 GMT
My dad's side calls me Marilyn Munster or The Princess, lol, so I don't think so. (They say it to my face, it's all good)
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 22, 2021 4:05:21 GMT
No, but my dad definitely was.
Extended, on my dad's side we (my family) are black sheep which means educated, white collar, and moderateish. The rest of them, only 3 graduated high school, are very right wing nutters, about half have a criminal record and/or drug addiction in their past and were all on welfare growing up (which wouldn't matter except for their distain for government help for others)
On my mom's side,
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Post by georgiapea on Feb 22, 2021 4:13:02 GMT
I guess. My mother told me I was ruining the family name by getting a divorce, the first divorce ever and what would the neighbors think.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Feb 22, 2021 4:17:00 GMT
Definitely black sheep on my fathers side of the family. But for weird reasons. Out of my 15 cousins on that side Iâm the only one who went to college. Only one with a Masters. Only one with no kids. Only one who hasnât ever married. Only democrat liberal snowflake, as they call me. And theyâre all crotchety judgey people for some reason.
On my Moms side Iâm not the black sheep as they are all much more similar to me in most aspects. Mostly Dems. All college educated, most have masters, several with Ph.Ds. (I hope to start my Ph.D next year đ€đ»). Some married no kids. Some kids not married. Some married with kids. My Moms side is a much more diverse, eclectic, supportive environment.
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Post by MichyM on Feb 22, 2021 4:17:21 GMT
No. But Iâm very sorry that youâre being left out by your cousins. Thatâs got to feel lousy.
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Post by hmp on Feb 22, 2021 4:18:44 GMT
Heck no! My brother got into alcohol, drugs, and hung out with a bad crowd starting in 7th grade. I looked like an angel compared to him! Still do in fact!
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Post by Merge on Feb 22, 2021 4:30:29 GMT
Yes. I have an enormous extended family on my momâs side. I never fit in with them growing up, and even less so now that Iâve stopped trying to fit myself in that mold. I havenât seen any of them since my parentsâ funerals, except my own siblings and nieces and nephews.
I was and am the black sheep of my immediate family as well - my parents are and my siblings are logical, linear thinkers, and Iâm the flaky, creative one.
I fit much better with DHâs extended family, and communicate with them quite a bit.
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Post by luckyjune on Feb 22, 2021 4:41:58 GMT
Yep. I'm very different from my siblings. We are not particularly close. I used to feel badly about it. Now, I'm like, "Whatever." I've made my own family of friends, which makes me pretty happy.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Feb 22, 2021 4:42:57 GMT
No, but can I say that I hate even the concept of black sheep? My brother loves to insist that he's the black sheep of the family, though no one else sees it this way. It's a self-proclaimed title, and even he readily admits that fact. It's like a badge of honor to him, and woe be to anyone who chooses to tell him he isn't.
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Post by garcia5050 on Feb 22, 2021 4:51:11 GMT
Heck no! My brother got into alcohol, drugs, and hung out with a bad crowd starting in 7th grade. I looked like an angel compared to him! Still do in fact! This was my sister. Iâm the good daughter. My older brother was a saint, as far as most people knew.
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Post by AussieMeg on Feb 22, 2021 5:03:12 GMT
No, but can I say that I hate even the concept of black sheep? I don't like the term "black sheep" because it's yet another term where white = good and normal, and black = bad / odd one out.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Feb 22, 2021 5:27:33 GMT
No, but can I say that I hate even the concept of black sheep? I don't like the term "black sheep" because it's yet another term where white = good and normal, and black = bad / odd one out. This. No hand slap at all toward those who use this expression, but I canât help but wonder how much work we all must do to consciously think of ways to eliminate the unspoken messages in our everyday lives. I grew up with step family that can only be called trailer or âwhite trashâ. It sounds harsh, but if you knew them youâd know what I mean. But I made a decision years ago to stay away from that term because its foundation is pure racism. They, actually, proudly call themselves that. And yes, theyâre very racist. I wouldnât be surprised if the term black sheep predates American enslavement of Africans, but I still think itâs important to root out anything that gives the message : white =good, black =bad.
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 22, 2021 5:49:57 GMT
Probably, in my extended family. I am quiet and shy, and bookish. I finished high school, went to college and graduated, and went to grad school and got my masters in a nerdy field. I married another nerd with a PhD. Most of my extended family finished high school, but that was it, and it was with great effort. A few took a year or 2 in college. Only 2 other cousins finished their BS/BAs. My extended family is really fun, but they value partying and instant gratification over higher learning and reading. I adore them, but I donât fit. đ
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 22, 2021 6:11:31 GMT
Definitely not. I have always been an over achieving good girl, though I have made some questionable decisions. Do "black sheep" even really exist in most families? My brother has gone against the grain in that he doesn't want to do the whole "get married and have kids" thing -- but he seems super happy and is doing very well for himself so who is anyone to judge?
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 11:36:02 GMT
No, but can I say that I hate even the concept of black sheep? I don't like the term "black sheep" because it's yet another term where white = good and normal, and black = bad / odd one out. Would you prefer outcast? Oddball? Someone pointed to and laughed at? or could be secretly admired? The black sheep of the family is not necessarily the bad one, but could be. Odd one out? Certainly. I look at it as the person who is different. Black and white can show differences that have nothing to do with race. Black sheep is a term still used by psychologists. Like others have mentioned, it could be the person who went to college/university while the rest did not. In my case, this is true. I was also heavily into sports while my cousins were not. I love the outdoors and outdoor activities, they look at me like I'm some kind of survivalist đ My cousins are nice people but they don't really get me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 11:42:15 GMT
I could be. I'm an atheist in a family of Mormons and devoted methodists. My dad is agnostic. So is DH. His mom's family are evangelist. They have this tradition of reading out loud the story of Christ's birth, mainly the part of the angel announcing his arrival, and I've refused to read along.
My kids have come out and said they're atheist as well. My cousins don't like it.
I'm also a liberal in a family of Republicans. The ones that have turned into trumplicans no longer talk to me.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 11:49:57 GMT
Definitely not. I have always been an over achieving good girl, though I have made some questionable decisions. Do "black sheep" even really exist in most families? My brother has gone against the grain in that he doesn't want to do the whole "get married and have kids" thing -- but he seems super happy and is doing very well for himself so who is anyone to judge? I think more enlightened people think this way. Many families are really accepting of different opinions and choices, my one side of the family is not. I'm certainly not a "black sheep" in dh's family. I *was* the over achieving good girl which made me the odd one. Not so much for being a good girl but moving out at 18 to go to university to study in a field that was not traditional. Many families would think that was wonderful, my family thought it was "out there" at the time (early 80s). Not one of my female cousins moved out on their own until they were married. Keep in mind that they're in their late 60s.
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Post by schizo319 on Feb 22, 2021 11:56:09 GMT
No, quite the opposite (FTR_, I don't like the black/white sheep terminology either - and I have never heard it used as "odd one out" - it has always meant "lesser than" when I have heard it used).
I'm the only one of my cousins who went to college immediately upon graduating high school and ended up in a white collar job. Nearly my whole family has struggled with drug and alcohol abuse and up until my second cousin's generation, every girl has gotten pregnant as a teenager (including me, but I placed her for adoption because I had watched my aunts and cousins struggle to support families with no education/money). I think there's probably some judgement in the family about all of that, but they don't talk to me enough for me to know that for certain. I'm also in an awkward place in the birthing order though, I'm the youngest grandchild by 10 years and I'm 7 years older than the oldest great-grandchild, so I was never close to any cousins growing up.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 12:06:57 GMT
I don't like the term "black sheep" because it's yet another term where white = good and normal, and black = bad / odd one out. This. No hand slap at all toward those who use this expression, but I canât help but wonder how much work we all must do to consciously think of ways to eliminate the unspoken messages in our everyday lives. I grew up with step family that can only be called trailer or âwhite trashâ. It sounds harsh, but if you knew them youâd know what I mean. But I made a decision years ago to stay away from that term because its foundation is pure racism. They, actually, proudly call themselves that. And yes, theyâre very racist. I wouldnât be surprised if the term black sheep predates American enslavement of Africans, but I still think itâs important to root out anything that gives the message : white =good, black =bad. Actually, white sheep are genetically dominant so to have a black sheep, both parents need to have the recessive black gene. Even in that instance, there is a 25% chance this will occur. Black sheep are rare. Wool from black sheep was not as valuable because it could not be dyed. This isn't an American term at all, it's old English. Some say it goes back to the Book of Genesis again making reference to a black sheep among lambs.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 22, 2021 12:14:25 GMT
and I have never heard it used as "odd one out" - it has always meant "lesser than" when I have heard it used I have always understood it to mean someone disreputable that the family was ashamed of because of the disgrace. To use it just for someone who marches to the beat of a different drummer is a misuse of the original term. Can't say we have one of either ilk in our closest family. We all love each other despite quirks and differences.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 12:24:11 GMT
and I have never heard it used as "odd one out" - it has always meant "lesser than" when I have heard it used I have always understood it to mean someone disreputable that the family was ashamed of because of the disgrace. To use it just for someone who marches to the beat of a different drummer is a misuse of the original term. Can't say we have one of either ilk in our closest family. We all love each other despite quirks and differences. Psychologists have a broader definition. How wonderful for you to have grown up in such a loving family đ
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Post by gar on Feb 22, 2021 12:38:51 GMT
My Mum once bought me a little decorative black sheep figure and was mortified when she gave it to me because she suddenly thought I might be upset by the implication and it hadnât occurred to her until that moment đ€Ł
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 22, 2021 12:47:06 GMT
I am successful and educated which is not much of the case with my extended family but I have always been the weird one. My extended family has never treated me differently. But my immediate family does treat me differently. I don't care, though. I spent way too many years trying to stuff my square peg self into a round hole. I embrace myself and if others can't handle that well, too damn bad. It's funny actually because I've found a lot of people outside my family really embrace my quirks. Whereas my immediate family is always trying to stuff me into some kind of box. I'm too emotional or I'm too vibrant, it's always something that my mom and my sister can find to criticize.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 22, 2021 12:50:46 GMT
I am successful and educated which is not much of the case with my extended family but I have always been the weird one. My extended family has never treated me differently. But my immediate family does treat me differently. I don't care, though. I spent way too many years trying to stuff my square peg self into a round hole. I embrace myself and if others can't handle that well, too damn bad. It's funny actually because I've found a lot of people outside my family really embrace my quirks. Whereas my immediate family is always trying to stuff me into some kind of box. I'm too emotional or I'm too vibrant, it's always something that my mom and my sister can find to criticize. This is my exact experience. I'm loving life on my own terms.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2021 12:54:09 GMT
Yep.
And Iâm sure it comes to no surprise to the peas either! (But not for the reasons one may think!)
Iâm the oldest of my siblings.
Iâve always been âlabeledâ as âgoofyâ by them. I now, as an adult know what they meant.
I do love my siblings. My sister siblings are cliquey, they often do stuff together without inviting me; our mom was part of that growing up and I always felt like I didnât belong from a very early age. My brother siblings I resonate with much more in all waysâeducation, intellect, charitable, honest, non-game player. Our dad was like this tooâgenerous to a fault, kind, would do anything for anyone at any time.
A few are trump/Fox media republicans but not in the crazy, Q, storm the Capitol, gun toting idiot way, so we obviously cannot agree (they of course think Iâm wrong) and I limit my interaction with them, keep my boundaries.
I learned to speak up because of feeling âdifferentâ, letting my mom and siblings know that they had been hurtful, exclusive, and how it affected me. There were a few very long stretches where I stayed away from them to heal and protect my heart.
So yeah, black sheep for sure. đ€đ
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2021 12:56:48 GMT
I guess. My mother told me I was ruining the family name by getting a divorce, the first divorce ever and what would the neighbors think. Haha! My mom told my sister the same thing!!! Lol (but the family survived!!!) đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 22, 2021 13:00:40 GMT
Just a little âfactoidâ
I looked up where black sheep originated...
âThe term originated from the occasional black sheep which are born into a flock of white sheep. Black wool was considered commercially undesirable because it could not be dyed. In 18th and 19th century England, the black color of the sheep was seen as the mark of the devil.â
And Biblically, the term is used in the Bible in the context of-
âThe 'black sheep' were actually a mark of integrity rather than disrepute.â
âThe 'Chinese whispers' of the early bible versions caused the original meaning to become lost and confused readers into the belief that the dark sheep were removed because they were worthless.â
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