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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 20:21:36 GMT
Yup changed the title yet again. The Party, AT, continues to evolve and it keeps getting worse IMO. . (AT means after trump)
Yup I changed the title. The new GOP is doing a lot more than just rewriting history. Rather then starting an another political thread I use this one to show my examples of this new GOP. A GOP that I find alarming and wonder why their voters let them get away with this. It boggles the mind.
“Critical thinking is the intellectually disciplined process of actively and skillfully conceptualizing, applying, analyzing, synthesizing, and/or evaluating information gathered from, or generated by, observation, experience, reflection, reasoning, or communication, as a guide to belief and action. In its exemplary form, it is based on universal intellectual values that transcend subject matter divisions: clarity, accuracy, precision, consistency, relevance, sound evidence, good reasons, depth, breadth, and fairness.”
”Moral Compass used in reference to a person’s ability to judge what is right and wrong and act accordingly.”
The GOP is busy rewriting history when comes to the 2020 Election as we saw this weekend at CPAC and they are rewriting history when it comes to the events of January 6, 2021 as outlined in the attached column in the Washington Post. And very few people seem to be concerned or feel something should be done to stop it. Especially many of those who consider themselves conservatives. Which makes me believe these “believers” are either lacking in critical thinking skills or a moral compass or lacking in both.
And those who could hold these individuals ,who are busy rewriting history, accountable like other politicians or mainstream media are wishy washy at best.
And the public who sees what is going on can’t call out these rewriters of history because these rewriters insulate themselves from any dissenters.
So they get away with it.
But can you imagine what it would be like if you could walk up to “former” and tell him to his face, respectfully, that he lost the election and he needs to quit lying about it?
Or any Republican politician, on both the Federal and State level, who is spouting lies about voter fraud and ask them simply “where is your proof?” And don’t let them squirm out of answering?
I read this morning there are over two hundred bills making their way through various states that will limit a person’s right to vote. And their reasoning for doing this is based on lies and conspiracy theories. And they do it because they know they can get away with it.
There are many problems this country needs to address, some that should have been addressed decades ago.
But what the current Republican Party is doing poses the greatest threat to this country since it was formed and it’s being met with way too much apathy and indifference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2021 20:42:57 GMT
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Post by lucyg on Mar 1, 2021 21:08:50 GMT
This is so disheartening. We keep thinking, okay, NOW they’re finally going to get it ... but no, they just keep making up more and more far-fetched stories to hang their hats on.
I read that Qanon thought Trump was going to be inaugurated on March 4. Now that the date is almost upon us, they’ve moved the goalposts to March 20. Biden is in on it and is just place-holding for Trump until he returns, triumphant, to DC.
God help us all.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 1, 2021 22:07:17 GMT
This is so disheartening. We keep thinking, okay, NOW they’re finally going to get it ... but no, they just keep making up more and more far-fetched stories to hang their hats on. I read that Qanon thought Trump was going to be inaugurated on March 4. Now that the date is almost upon us, they’ve moved the goalposts to March 20. Biden is in on it and is just place-holding for Trump until he returns, triumphant, to DC. God help us all. It is frightening, and even if there is an investigation of how Jan 6th happened(and there should be, if Congress can agree on who will investigate), and a report is issued, Republicans will pull the same stunt they did over the election. They will lie about it, and so will their media. And the base will believe them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Mar 1, 2021 22:47:31 GMT
This is so disheartening. We keep thinking, okay, NOW they’re finally going to get it ... but no, they just keep making up more and more far-fetched stories to hang their hats on. I read that Qanon thought Trump was going to be inaugurated on March 4. Now that the date is almost upon us, they’ve moved the goalposts to March 20. Biden is in on it and is just place-holding for Trump until he returns, triumphant, to DC. God help us all. And all that hubbub is trump et al siphoning off millions of dollars from those who “believe”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 14:59:00 GMT
From the Washington Post....
“MAGA supporters are politically vocal, racially biased, and believe conspiracy theories”
“Our respondents are committed to making their views known. For example, at least 50 percent of these MAGA supporters have been politically active — signing petitions, contacting their representatives, participating in boycotts or donating to campaigns. Beyond that, roughly 45 percent report they’ve attended political meetings, 35 percent attended rallies, and 30 percent volunteered for campaigns.
Further, MAGA supporters overwhelmingly believe Trump’s election misinformation, as well as other conspiracy theories. Nearly 100 percent of MAGA supporters believe Trump’s claims that the election was stolen, and 70 percent support Trump remaining in office beyond the allowed two terms. Their distrust extends to other areas as well. They overwhelmingly agree, in proportions of 80 percent or higher, with statements suggesting that unknown elites control America and with conspiracy theories about covid-19.”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 18:16:50 GMT
At one of trump’s rallies he started using a slogan “Save America”. As sort of noted below, that America trump was hell bent on saving no longer exists except in the minds of a few diehards that make up the bulk of trump supporters.
From the article."
“Donald Trump’s speech was a weird, alternate reality. But at the heart of it was the revanchist impulse. These are the two passages that screamed out like klaxons, one from the introduction and one from the conclusion:
“We’ve been doing a lot of winning as we gather this week, we’re in the middle of a historic struggle for America’s future, America’s culture, and America’s institutions, borders, and most cherished principles. Our security, our prosperity, and our very identity as Americans is at stake, like perhaps at no other time. . . .” “We will go on to victory. We will summon the spirit of generations of American Patriots before us, like those heroes who crossed the Delaware, conquered the Rockies, stormed the beaches, won the battles, and tamed the unknown frontiers. We will persist, and we will prevail. We’re tougher than they are. We’re stronger than they are.”
“Our identity as Americans.” “We are tougher than they are. We are stronger than they are.”
What “identity”? Who is “they”? Why does “strength” matter if this is a contest of ideas?
There is no other way to read this except as revanchism: A minority’s struggle against the current citizenry in an attempt to return to a time when they held power.
This is what happens when a movement realizes it is a permanent minority and gives up on the idea of expanding its coalition through persuasion.
Ideology is a little bit like currency: It is a store of value only to the extent that a lot of people agree on it. You can say you’re “conservative” and use that word to mean a basket of ideas containing A, B, and C—but if the vast majority of everyone else who says they are “conservative” means X, Y, and Z, then they’re right and you’re wrong.
You can still believe in A, B, and C—it just isn’t “conservatism.”
I’m fascinated by the people who think it’s more important to cling to a definition of what the word “conservative” means to them, personally, rather than acknowledging the reality that the world has changed—and then grappling with what that change means going forward.”
This guy call the current Republican Party the party of Revanchism. I had to look that word up. And it does apply.
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Post by lucyg on Mar 2, 2021 18:28:41 GMT
Off to look up revanchism.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 2, 2021 18:46:01 GMT
How do we effect change when stuff like this is going on? Disheartening is right, lucyg
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Post by flanz on Mar 2, 2021 18:48:43 GMT
I agree this is an hugely important issue and I want to know ... WHAT CAN I/ WE DO? Or make that, what is the most effective thing we can do/ organization we can donate to?
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Post by MissBianca on Mar 2, 2021 19:25:47 GMT
I agree this is an hugely important issue and I want to know ... WHAT CAN I/ WE DO? Or make that, what is the most effective thing we can do/ organization we can donate to? I think one thing we can do is not let people get discouraged and let the roadblocks keep them from voting. The GQP puts up an obstacle, people need to climb it, tunnel under it, go around it. Remind people to check their voter registration forms, has their signature changed? Did they move? Did they get unregistered due to not being an active voter? What is their employers stance on time off to vote? My husbands company gave people 8 hours to vote. So if they went to vote before work but the line was 8 hours, they didn’t get docked for it. Dot the I’s and cross the T’s. This is all going to come down to the battle of the wills. Who is willing to fight for democracy? We can also be writing to any senator and representative that will listen. We have 2 years to push legislation to make Election Day a national holiday.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 2, 2021 20:11:39 GMT
We have 2 years to push legislation to make Election Day a national holiday. The push back against that will be too great, to get in 2 years. Mail in voting nationwide without obstacles/excuses/bull crap is totally doable and there should be no reason that can not be implemented. I will definitely miss the voting booth but it’s more important to me that EVERY eligible voter has easy access to voting. Every voter, every where. None of this 8 hour line bullshit in some neighborhoods and no waiting in others. Voting equity should be top priority.
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Post by flanz on Mar 2, 2021 20:44:50 GMT
I agree this is an hugely important issue and I want to know ... WHAT CAN I/ WE DO? Or make that, what is the most effective thing we can do/ organization we can donate to? I think one thing we can do is not let people get discouraged and let the roadblocks keep them from voting. The GQP puts up an obstacle, people need to climb it, tunnel under it, go around it. Remind people to check their voter registration forms, has their signature changed? Did they move? Did they get unregistered due to not being an active voter? What is their employers stance on time off to vote? My husbands company gave people 8 hours to vote. So if they went to vote before work but the line was 8 hours, they didn’t get docked for it. Dot the I’s and cross the T’s. This is all going to come down to the battle of the wills. Who is willing to fight for democracy? We can also be writing to any senator and representative that will listen. We have 2 years to push legislation to make Election Day a national holiday. Agreed! But I am wondering if there are things we can be doing right now to prevent these horrible voter suppression laws from being enacted.
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 2, 2021 21:07:55 GMT
I really hope eventually that people realize that you cannot reason with or persuade people who have created their own reality, and just focus on making sure that voting rights are protected so that the majority of people who live in the real reality can retain control over the country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 18:26:35 GMT
How do we get rid of these guys?
I wonder if he would feel this way if the mob found him that day and dragged his ass out to the gallows someone had set up? No I wouldn’t want to see him hanged but facing the possibility up close & personal would have been nice to see before he was rescued. But I doubt if it would have knocked any sense into him. These guys are too far gone and live in an alternative world devoid of reality.
“Election Integrity Is a National Imperative”
Mike Pence 8 hours ago
After an election marked by significant voting irregularities and numerous instances of officials setting aside state election law, I share the concerns of millions of Americans about the integrity of the 2020 election.
That’s why when I was serving as presiding officer at the joint session of Congress certifying the Electoral College results, I pledged to ensure that all objections properly raised under the Electoral Count Act would be given a full hearing before Congress and the American people.
The tragic events of Jan. 6—the most significant being the loss of life and violence at our nation’s Capitol—also deprived the American people of a substantive discussion in Congress about election integrity in America.
Under the Constitution, elections are governed at the state level. And each state is required to appoint presidential electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.”
Many of the most troubling voting irregularities took place in states that set aside laws enacted by state legislatures in favor of sweeping changes ordered by governors, secretaries of state, and courts.
While legislators in many states have begun work on election reform to restore public confidence in state elections, unfortunately, congressional Democrats have chosen to sweep those valid concerns and reforms aside and to push forward a brazen attempt to nationalize elections in blatant disregard of the U.S. Constitution.
Congress will vote this week on HR 1, the so-called For the People Act, a massive 800-page election overhaul bill that would increase opportunities for election fraud, trample the First Amendment, further erode confidence in our elections, and forever dilute the votes of legally qualified eligible voters.
In 2008, when the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s new voter ID law, the ruling noted that America has a long, well-documented history of election fraud. The court cited the 2005 report of the bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform headed by former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James Baker, which said the “electoral system cannot inspire public confidence if no safeguards exist to deter or detect fraud.”
HR 1 would eliminate those safeguards and prevent states from implementing new, needed reforms. Polling shows that large numbers of Democrats did not trust the outcome of the 2016 election and that large numbers of Republicans still do not trust the outcome of the 2020 election.
We have to do everything we can to change that and ensure that the American people, no matter which political party they favor, have confidence in the fairness and security of the election process.
HR 1 mandates the most questionable and abuse-prone election rules nationwide, while banning commonsense measures to detect, deter, and prosecute election fraud.
The bill would force states to adopt universal mail-in ballots, early voting, same-day voter registration, online voter registration, and automatic voter registration for any individual listed in state and federal government databases, such as the Department of Motor Vehicles and welfare offices, ensuring duplicate registrations and that millions of illegal immigrants are quickly registered to vote.
States would be required to count every mail-in vote that arrives up to 10 days after Election Day. States must also allow ballot harvesting—where paid political operatives collect absentee ballots from places such as nursing homes—exposing our most vulnerable voters to coercion and increasing the risk that their ballots will be tampered with.
At the same time, state and local election officials would be stripped of their ability to maintain the accuracy of voter rolls, barred from verifying voter eligibility, and voter ID would be banned from coast to coast.
Congressional districts would be redrawn by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats. Illegal immigrants and law-abiding American citizens would receive equal representation in Congress. Felons would be able to vote the moment they set foot out of prison.
Leftists not only want you powerless at the ballot box, they want to silence and censor anyone who would dare to criticize their unconstitutional power grab.
HR 1 is also loaded with ill-advised changes to federal campaign laws that would impose onerous legal and administrative burdens on candidates, civic groups, unions, nonprofit organizations, and ordinary citizens who want to exercise their First Amendment rights to engage in political speech, including on public policy issues that are vital to the life of our nation.
Under HR 1, donations to many private organizations would be made public, exposing millions of Americans to the radical left’s cancel culture crusade.
Every single proposed change in HR 1 serves one goal, and one goal only: to give leftists a permanent, unfair, and unconstitutional advantage in our political system.
HR 1 would turn a blind eye to very real problems at the state level, exacerbate existing vulnerabilities, and further undermine the American people’s confidence in the principle of “one person, one vote.”
Election reform is a national imperative, but under our Constitution, election reform must be undertaken at the state level. Our Founders limited Congress’ role in conducting our elections for good reason: They wanted elections to be administered closest to the people, free from undue influence of the national government.
Having run for office at both the state and federal levels, I have concluded that the bedrock principles of free and fair elections are access, security, and the ability to engage in free and open debate.
HR 1 is an unconstitutional, reckless, and anti-democratic bill that would erode those foundational principles and could permanently damage our republic.
After a year in which our nation has endured a global pandemic, economic hardship, and a contentious election, now is not the time to further inflame passion and division. It is time for our nation’s leaders to help America heal.
To restore public confidence in our elections, our leaders should uphold the Constitution, reject congressional Democrats’ plan to nationalize our elections, and get about the serious work of state-based reform that will protect the integrity of the vote for every American.
The American people expect us to ensure that every eligible citizen is able to vote and also make sure that their vote is not stolen or diluted through errors, mistakes, or outright fraud.
Every citizen deserves the freedom to support, oppose, criticize, or promote the candidates and causes they believe in. And most importantly, the American people must have the utmost confidence that every voice matters, and every vote counts—or democracy cannot survive.”
The Daily Signal publishes a variety of perspectives. Nothing written here is to be construed as representing the views of The Heritage Foundation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 19:08:00 GMT
A discussion not based on any facts but based on conspiracy theories and lies..
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 3, 2021 19:16:13 GMT
A discussion not based on any facts but based on conspiracy theories and lies.. he was minutes away from having to write it via Ouija board, yet in his op-ed he *STILL* manages to perpetuate the lies about non-existent voter and election fraud. He is a pusillanimous, craven, spineless, boot-licking toad. (with my apologies to toads everywhere) what IS it about DT that makes people debase themselves constantly? I just don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 20:05:03 GMT
This is bill is popular with conservatives by over 50%. But yet.
Petty little children.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2021 17:56:37 GMT
And here we have an example of the GOP trying to rewrite history. Apparently this guy voted by mistake for this bill, so his buddies, I guess, are trying to help him out.
Unbelievable..
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Post by michellegb on Mar 5, 2021 9:33:12 GMT
She is a despicable human. It is so disheartening to witness what this country is becoming.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Mar 7, 2021 17:07:44 GMT
WTF? Just accept that there are people different from you and get over it KAREN.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 8, 2021 19:24:21 GMT
and we thought Daniel Dale was finally going to get some free time to relax...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 16:03:43 GMT
It’s this kind of crap that drives me nuts because I can’t walk up to him and say either prove what you are saying or shut the fuck up. No one can because all politicians are very good at insulating themselves from the masses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 18:52:33 GMT
An accurate description of the new GOP. IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 18:58:13 GMT
Here is McConnell threatening the majority party
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 19:02:11 GMT
Now you know if you ask this guy what his real concerns are about this bill that that would make him talk until fell over he would be less than honest and not say why the right really doesn’t want this bill to pass.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 19:07:23 GMT
Then there is this guy.
Racism/discrimination is alive and well in this country and needs to be addressed. But here is a Republican member of Congress at hearing about racism saying this crap.
And he will get away with it.
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