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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 16:57:59 GMT
Because there are no resources for security in the USA?🙄 Who in the USA do you expect to be intimately privy to classified British intelligence regarding threats to the royal family that wouldn’t be a US government funded agency? So, British intelligence is necessary to protect them in the US? How so? How would that make security different? If the threat is so high that British intelligence is necessary to protect them, then the RF shouldn’t have pulled their security, regardless if they’re working royals or not. If that’s the case, then the RF failed them even more spectacularly leaving them to fend for themselves if the threat is that high. So, either they’re so important that British intelligence is needed to keep them safe, or they’re not and whatever dismal security they can muster up in the US is good enough. Can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by sam9 on Mar 9, 2021 16:59:50 GMT
OT Wouldn't it be something if there was a 13 page thread on the violence and brutality and dictatorship happening in Myanmar and its implications and repercussions on the safety of democracy writ large? Or of the 66,000 homeless people living in the streets of LA, a report of which was published in the LA Times on the same day as the H&M interview. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:00:15 GMT
From the interview he said he was too embarrassed to tell anyone. Then they went to the event. Harry seems to be getting a lot of passes. Seriously, it’s not like royals haven’t declined to attend events due to unforeseen issues. Telling your husband you’re suicidal falls under that umbrella. WTF? Also, we don’t know the context or who said it, but considering Harry and Meghan have been vocal about the work he’s put in re: racism/feminism, why wasn’t that addressed with whomever said the comment? Seems like that’s where Harry shares his own journey to understanding with this racist family member. Instead they leave it open ended, effectively smearing the entire royal family with the comment of one person. In the current climate regarding race, I find it irresponsible. Exactly. They've both left everyone to hang to dry and to gather as much speculation as possible which must be devastating for every member of that family, Royal or not, who are innocent in all of this. Both Harry and Megan have tarred every one of them with a racist brush. I don't think I could ever forgive them if I was innocent of what they have suggested. If anyone was racist toward Meghan, then anyone who knew and did not stick up for her is complicit. They’re not “innocent”. |
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Post by amom23 on Mar 9, 2021 17:02:41 GMT
From the interview he said he was too embarrassed to tell anyone. Then they went to the event. Harry seems to be getting a lot of passes. Seriously, it’s not like royals haven’t declined to attend events due to unforeseen issues. Telling your husband you’re suicidal falls under that umbrella. WTF? Also, we don’t know the context or who said it, but considering Harry and Meghan have been vocal about the work he’s put in re: racism/feminism, why wasn’t that addressed with whomever said the comment? Seems like that’s where Harry shares his own journey to understanding with this racist family member. Instead they leave it open ended, effectively smearing the entire royal family with the comment of one person. In the current climate regarding race, I find it irresponsible. Exactly. They've both left everyone to hang to dry and to gather as much speculation as possible which must be devastating for every member of that family, Royal or not, who are innocent in all of this. Both Harry and Megan have tarred every one of them with a racist brush. I don't think I could ever forgive them if I was innocent of what they have suggested. Well it's not like any of the royals have come out with a statement to say it wasn't them let alone to defend the treatment of Harry and Meghan. |
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Post by sam9 on Mar 9, 2021 17:03:26 GMT
Kind of off topic, but does Harry have a degree or anything? What is he qualified to do besides being famous? What is he interested in?
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:03:51 GMT
Who in the USA do you expect to be intimately privy to classified British intelligence regarding threats to the royal family that wouldn’t be a US government funded agency? So, British intelligence is necessary to protect them in the US? How so? How would that make security different? If the threat is so high that British intelligence is necessary to protect them, then the RF shouldn’t have pulled their security, regardless if they’re working royals or not. If that’s the case, then the RF failed them even more spectacularly leaving them to fend for themselves if the threat is that high. So, either they’re so important that British intelligence is needed to keep them safe, or they’re not and whatever dismal security they can muster up in the US is good enough. Can’t have it both ways. I’m sure H&M’s millions could pay for their own ample security in the USA. But they seem to be implying only government funded security would be adequate. But a foreign government can’t provide them tax payer funded security without them being on official duties for a myriad of legal and practical reasons. Indeed they can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:04:04 GMT
OR, maybe, just MAYBE they were already judged and were sick of the scrutiny from the media and Joe/Jane Public having an opinion about every little thing they did or didn’t do and wanted to speak for themselves? I guess besides psychics and mind readers, we also have PR professionals on 2Peas. The Oprah interview reduced their level of public scrutiny how exactly? I highly doubt Meghan’s father would be doing another round on the media circus right now if they hadn’t dragged it all out in public again. It doesn’t take a PR professional to realize how hard it is to try and control a narrative in the public sphere. Heck one can’t even control a thread on two peas; how often does the most seemingly benign post go off the rails? Edited to add: the tabloid media isn’t likely to rest until they identify who the overtly racist royal is. So, they’re just supposed to shut up and take it. Let the British media use them for their fodder and not speak for themselves. Fuck that. Admit it: they can’t do anything right in your eyes. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:04:51 GMT
Kind of off topic, but does Harry have a degree or anything? What is he qualified to do besides being famous? What is he interested in? He’s a qualified pilot right? |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:07:20 GMT
The Oprah interview reduced their level of public scrutiny how exactly? I highly doubt Meghan’s father would be doing another round on the media circus right now if they hadn’t dragged it all out in public again. It doesn’t take a PR professional to realize how hard it is to try and control a narrative in the public sphere. Heck one can’t even control a thread on two peas; how often does the most seemingly benign post go off the rails? Edited to add: the tabloid media isn’t likely to rest until they identify who the overtly racist royal is. So, they’re just supposed to shut up and take it. Let the British media use them for their fodder and not speak for themselves. Fuck that. Admit it: they can’t do anything right in your eyes. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Have you ever seen any royal or celebrity win a war with the media? The media is ruthless. Was the mainstream press even running many stories about them until the upcoming interview was announced? |
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Post by mom on Mar 9, 2021 17:07:31 GMT
Kind of off topic, but does Harry have a degree or anything? What is he qualified to do besides being famous? What is he interested in? No, he did not go to college. Im sure he'd be qualified to do something as he was a commission officer in the military for 10 years. What that something would be? I have no clue. edited: I guess he was a pilot. I forgot. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:10:48 GMT
So, British intelligence is necessary to protect them in the US? How so? How would that make security different? If the threat is so high that British intelligence is necessary to protect them, then the RF shouldn’t have pulled their security, regardless if they’re working royals or not. If that’s the case, then the RF failed them even more spectacularly leaving them to fend for themselves if the threat is that high. So, either they’re so important that British intelligence is needed to keep them safe, or they’re not and whatever dismal security they can muster up in the US is good enough. Can’t have it both ways. I’m sure H&M’s millions could pay for their own ample security in the USA. But they seem to be implying only government funded security would be adequate. But a foreign government can’t provide them tax payer funded security without them being on official duties for a myriad of legal and practical reasons. Indeed they can’t have it both ways. Why exactly do they need that level of security? Oh yeah...Harry is part of the royal family. Grandson of the queen, son and brother of the future kings. Did he ask for that? Can he change that? Short of changing his appearance and his identity completely, no he can’t. He’s placed in this position because his family and his family basically told him “fuck off, but still do what we want”. |
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Post by wellway on Mar 9, 2021 17:12:20 GMT
Kind of off topic, but does Harry have a degree or anything? What is he qualified to do besides being famous? What is he interested in? He’s a qualified pilot right? I believe he is qualified to fly Apache helicopters. I think he did a great job with the Invictus Games, not sure what involvement he will have going forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 17:12:39 GMT
Who in the USA do you expect to be intimately privy to classified British intelligence regarding threats to the royal family that wouldn’t be a US government funded agency? So, British intelligence is necessary to protect them in the US? How so? How would that make security different? If the threat is so high that British intelligence is necessary to protect them, then the RF shouldn’t have pulled their security, regardless if they’re working royals or not. If that’s the case, then the RF failed them even more spectacularly leaving them to fend for themselves if the threat is that high. So, either they’re so important that British intelligence is needed to keep them safe, or they’re not and whatever dismal security they can muster up in the US is good enough. Can’t have it both ways. Their security was pulled because of their own decisions to permanently lead a private life in another country. That was their choice and with that choice there was never going to be security provided by the Met and paid for out of the public purse. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:13:37 GMT
So, they’re just supposed to shut up and take it. Let the British media use them for their fodder and not speak for themselves. Fuck that. Admit it: they can’t do anything right in your eyes. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Have you ever seen any royal or celebrity win a war with the media? The media is ruthless. Was the mainstream press even running many stories about them until the upcoming interview was announced? Why is it about “winning a war”? They wanted to speak for themselves. Oh, the horror. |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:14:29 GMT
I’m sure H&M’s millions could pay for their own ample security in the USA. But they seem to be implying only government funded security would be adequate. But a foreign government can’t provide them tax payer funded security without them being on official duties for a myriad of legal and practical reasons. Indeed they can’t have it both ways. Why exactly do they need that level of security? Oh yeah...Harry is part of the royal family. Grandson of the queen, son and brother of the future kings. Did he ask for that? Can he change that? Short of changing his appearance and his identity completely, no he can’t. He’s placed in this position because his family and his family basically told him “fuck off, but still do what we want”. I imagine that’s why royals who want out of being royal generally stay in their home country so they can escape being trapped but still have a necessary level of protection. Telling the firm to “fuck off” and leaving the country without having the details completely worked out would be problematic in the best of circumstances. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:15:57 GMT
So, British intelligence is necessary to protect them in the US? How so? How would that make security different? If the threat is so high that British intelligence is necessary to protect them, then the RF shouldn’t have pulled their security, regardless if they’re working royals or not. If that’s the case, then the RF failed them even more spectacularly leaving them to fend for themselves if the threat is that high. So, either they’re so important that British intelligence is needed to keep them safe, or they’re not and whatever dismal security they can muster up in the US is good enough. Can’t have it both ways. Their security was pulled because of their own decisions to permanently lead a private life in another country. That was their choice and with that choice there was never going to be security provided by the Met and paid for out of the public purse. And that was AFTER the RF didn’t help Meghan and also said that their child would not receive security. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 17:16:01 GMT
Exactly. They've both left everyone to hang to dry and to gather as much speculation as possible which must be devastating for every member of that family, Royal or not, who are innocent in all of this. Both Harry and Megan have tarred every one of them with a racist brush. I don't think I could ever forgive them if I was innocent of what they have suggested. Well it's not like any of the royals have come out with a statement to say it wasn't them let alone to defend the treatment of Harry and Meghan. Individually they would never do that and never have and if the truth be known Harry and Meghan knew this or at least Harry would have. It's very unusual for the monarchy to even issue a statement on a controversial matter but I sincerely hope that they do make a statement and let us all get to the truth of this. |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:17:51 GMT
Have you ever seen any royal or celebrity win a war with the media? The media is ruthless. Was the mainstream press even running many stories about them until the upcoming interview was announced? Why is it about “winning a war”? They wanted to speak for themselves. Oh, the horror. Because the media is in the business of selling the war. They spoke for themselves. And what did it solve? Great they feel heard I guess? But now they have another hundred things in their narrative going sideways the media is after. Like it out not, it’s a hydra. You cut off a head and more appear. They can do Oprah interviews everyday for the rest of their lives I guess, if they’ve got the millions to live on and keep paying for it. But it’s not going to work out they way they want. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:20:02 GMT
Why is it about “winning a war”? They wanted to speak for themselves. Oh, the horror. Because the media is in the business of selling the war. They spoke for themselves. And what did it solve? Great they feel heard I guess? But now they have another hundred things in their narrative going sideways the media is after. Like it out not, it’s a hydra. You cut off a head and more appear. They can do Oprah interviews everyday for the rest of their lives I guess, if they’ve got the millions to live on and keep paying for it. But it’s not going to work out they way they want. Which is what exactly? I’m amazed at how the Peas seem to know exactly what their motivations are. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 17:22:57 GMT
Exactly. They've both left everyone to hang to dry and to gather as much speculation as possible which must be devastating for every member of that family, Royal or not, who are innocent in all of this. Both Harry and Megan have tarred every one of them with a racist brush. I don't think I could ever forgive them if I was innocent of what they have suggested. If anyone was racist toward Meghan, then anyone who knew and did not stick up for her is complicit. They’re not “innocent”. and you know that no one did? They've still tarred everyone else with that racist brush even if they lived 50 miles away and knew nothing about it by the implication of it being " one of the family" a rather large family at that if you consider the extended family. The only people they've absolved of this is the statement that OW added that it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip. |
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 9, 2021 17:23:04 GMT
Because the media is in the business of selling the war. They spoke for themselves. And what did it solve? Great they feel heard I guess? But now they have another hundred things in their narrative going sideways the media is after. Like it out not, it’s a hydra. You cut off a head and more appear. They can do Oprah interviews everyday for the rest of their lives I guess, if they’ve got the millions to live on and keep paying for it. But it’s not going to work out they way they want. Which is what exactly? I’m amazed at how the Peas seem to know exactly what their motivations are. I’m taking Meghan at her word that she wants to be able to release the stories/photos she wants and have zero further press/public intrusion in her life. |
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2021 17:23:25 GMT
I’m amazed at how the Peas seem to know exactly what their motivations are. You seem to think you know a lot about how the royal family think and work. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:25:44 GMT
If anyone was racist toward Meghan, then anyone who knew and did not stick up for her is complicit. They’re not “innocent”. and you know that no one did? They've still tarred everyone else with that racist brush even if they lived 50 miles away and knew nothing about it by the implication of it being " one of the family" a rather large family at that if you consider the extended family. The only people they've absolved of this is the statement that OW added that it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip. Who did, then? I’m sure you saw the racist headlines about Meghan. It’s really not that hard to come out and say that’s not okay. Silence = complicity. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:26:26 GMT
I’m amazed at how the Peas seem to know exactly what their motivations are. You seem to think you know a lot about how the royal family think and work. Hahahah! No, I don’t. Neither do you or anyone else here. That’s the point. |
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Post by amom23 on Mar 9, 2021 17:43:42 GMT
If anyone was racist toward Meghan, then anyone who knew and did not stick up for her is complicit. They’re not “innocent”. and you know that no one did? They've still tarred everyone else with that racist brush even if they lived 50 miles away and knew nothing about it by the implication of it being " one of the family" a rather large family at that if you consider the extended family. The only people they've absolved of this is the statement that OW added that it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip. 'Um you just replied to my post that no one in the royal family would ever come out and make a public comment. So then obviously nobody would or did publicly defend Meghan right??? |
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Post by gar on Mar 9, 2021 17:47:37 GMT
You seem to think you know a lot about how the royal family think and work. Hahahah! No, I don’t. Neither do you or anyone else here. That’s the point. But you speak as if you do... "his family basically told him “fuck off, but still do what we want”." etc... that's my point Let's face it, we're all sharing opinions since there are always 2 sides to every story. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 17:52:36 GMT
Hahahah! No, I don’t. Neither do you or anyone else here. That’s the point. But you speak as if you do... "his family basically told him “fuck off, but still do what we want”." etc... that's my point Let's face it, we're all sharing opinions since there are always 2 sides to every story. I see a lot of speculation here as to what their motivations are. I’m just reacting to what they actually said. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 17:53:04 GMT
and you know that no one did? They've still tarred everyone else with that racist brush even if they lived 50 miles away and knew nothing about it by the implication of it being " one of the family" a rather large family at that if you consider the extended family. The only people they've absolved of this is the statement that OW added that it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip. 'Um you just replied to my post that no one in the royal family would ever come out and make a public comment. So then obviously nobody would or did publicly defend Meghan right??? Public as against defending her privately within the establishment are two different things .No individual makes a statement it all come out of the official communications office of the palace on their behalf IF they make a statement which is very rarely on controversial topics. Heck other members of the Royal family have, over the years, suffered just as much negative publicity as H & M, they've not commented on those either. You need to separate the Royal Family as a family and not compared it to the Monarchy - two different things. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 18:04:46 GMT
and you know that no one did? They've still tarred everyone else with that racist brush even if they lived 50 miles away and knew nothing about it by the implication of it being " one of the family" a rather large family at that if you consider the extended family. The only people they've absolved of this is the statement that OW added that it wasn't the Queen or Prince Phillip. Who did, then? I’m sure you saw the racist headlines about Meghan. It’s really not that hard to come out and say that’s not okay. Silence = complicity. Stop jumping from one topic to the other. I commented on the innocent members of the Royal Family and yes until Meghan or Harry reveals WHO it was then they have both tarred everyone with the same brush. People can't go round calling people out as being racists if they are not prepared to stand up and back their story. That goes for everyone not just them. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 9, 2021 18:09:22 GMT
Who did, then? I’m sure you saw the racist headlines about Meghan. It’s really not that hard to come out and say that’s not okay. Silence = complicity. I commented on the innocent members of the Royal Family and yes until Meghan or Harry reveals WHO it was then they have both tarred everyone with the same brush. People can't go round calling people out as being racists if they are not prepared to stand up and back their story. That goes for everyone not just them. When did I change topics, exactly? Just because you don’t have an answer doesn’t mean my post is off topic. AGAIN, as I said, anyone who knew about any racist attacks (within the family or in the media) and stayed silent is complicit. Does that make you uncomfortable? Good. |
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