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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 10, 2021 12:55:54 GMT
In this day and age with all the technology sources(facetime, skype, etc....) and Hippa laws in the USA, I am surprised that Meghan didn't reach out to a mental health professional in the USA and seek treatment that way. Because of Hippa laws, the medical provider/therapist would not be allowed to disclose that they were treating her. If she were in the privacy of her home, the public wouldn't know she was being treated for mental health issues. If she kept it between herself, Harry and the therapist...no one else in the Royal Family would even know. With the current safety measures in place, there are currently many people who have communicated with their mental health professional, medical Physician (or PA or Nurse Practitioner), Clergy, Substance abuse counselor, etc... via technology sources. Why couldn't Meghan done that as well, back then. A provider in the US would then also need to be a provider/licensed in the UK in order to provide services to her. The laws regarding licensing are more complicated than that. Also, until Covid the rules regarding telehealth were not the same. Are there ways that she could have reached out? Yes, of course. But you could say that about anyone. Yet there are still various reasons why people don’t seek help. It isn’t uncommon for people to reach out to someone during a crisis or during the night when they are feeling particularly low, but then the next day they don’t return a call from the provider. It is very possible that she was told that it would look bad and her thoughts spiraled even more, especially with the way the media was treating her, so she decided against going further to try to get help. And again, all of this speculation and implication that she must be lying because “she could have gotten help” is damaging to a lot of people, not just Meghan. And it does seem to be related to racism since I have never heard anyone else questioned so much about what they are saying, particularly in regards to their mental health. If Kate had stated the same things, do you think people would be reacting the same way? Or would it be more likely they would say “poor thing. It’s so difficult to live in the public eye.”
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Post by pjaye on Mar 10, 2021 13:02:01 GMT
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Mar 10, 2021 13:15:26 GMT
In this day and age with all the technology sources(facetime, skype, etc....) and Hippa laws in the USA, I am surprised that Meghan didn't reach out to a mental health professional in the USA and seek treatment that way. Because of Hippa laws, the medical provider/therapist would not be allowed to disclose that they were treating her. If she were in the privacy of her home, the public wouldn't know she was being treated for mental health issues. If she kept it between herself, Harry and the therapist...no one else in the Royal Family would even know. With the current safety measures in place, there are currently many people who have communicated with their mental health professional, medical Physician (or PA or Nurse Practitioner), Clergy, Substance abuse counselor, etc... via technology sources. Why couldn't Meghan done that as well, back then. As it has been said before, when someone mental health is not stable, they do not think clearly. It is not easy for them to just pick up the phone and make a call. It is hard for people that do not have those struggles to understand.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Mar 10, 2021 14:31:28 GMT
Her response to him is the same as what many of us are trying to express on this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 14:40:52 GMT
In this day and age with all the technology sources(facetime, skype, etc....) and Hippa laws in the USA, I am surprised that Meghan didn't reach out to a mental health professional in the USA and seek treatment that way. Because of Hippa laws, the medical provider/therapist would not be allowed to disclose that they were treating her. If she were in the privacy of her home, the public wouldn't know she was being treated for mental health issues. If she kept it between herself, Harry and the therapist...no one else in the Royal Family would even know. With the current safety measures in place, there are currently many people who have communicated with their mental health professional, medical Physician (or PA or Nurse Practitioner), Clergy, Substance abuse counselor, etc... via technology sources. Why couldn't Meghan done that as well, back then. A provider in the US would then also need to be a provider/licensed in the UK in order to provide services to her. The laws regarding licensing are more complicated than that. Also, until Covid the rules regarding telehealth were not the same. Are there ways that she could have reached out? Yes, of course. But you could say that about anyone. Yet there are still various reasons why people don’t seek help. It isn’t uncommon for people to reach out to someone during a crisis or during the night when they are feeling particularly low, but then the next day they don’t return a call from the provider. It is very possible that she was told that it would look bad and her thoughts spiraled even more, especially with the way the media was treating her, so she decided against going further to try to get help. And again, all of this speculation and implication that she must be lying because “she could have gotten help” is damaging to a lot of people, not just Meghan. And it does seem to be related to racism since I have never heard anyone else questioned so much about what they are saying, particularly in regards to their mental health. If Kate had stated the same things, do you think people would be reacting the same way? Or would it be more likely they would say “poor thing. It’s so difficult to live in the public eye.”Who is accusing her of lying? Question the reason of why she wasn't able to get help or pointing out the ways she could have got help when some of us know that the help would have been there isn't accusing anyone of lying. How can you strongly promote the tools and access to mental health to everyone else and yet admit that you made no effort to access it yourself. That goes for both of them. And yes, I would have asked exactly the same question if Kate or anyone else has said the same thing.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 10, 2021 14:50:14 GMT
Her response to him is the same as what many of us are trying to express on this thread. and again, that all depends if you believe that was her true motivation. They have a very clear history of suing the press when they aren't happy with what was said about them, this is just different way of achieving the same goal.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 10, 2021 15:25:48 GMT
Those who have an interest in body language and reading it may find this video discussing the H&M interview interesting.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 15:49:11 GMT
In this day and age with all the technology sources(facetime, skype, etc....) and Hippa laws in the USA, I am surprised that Meghan didn't reach out to a mental health professional in the USA and seek treatment that way. Because of Hippa laws, the medical provider/therapist would not be allowed to disclose that they were treating her. If she were in the privacy of her home, the public wouldn't know she was being treated for mental health issues. If she kept it between herself, Harry and the therapist...no one else in the Royal Family would even know. With the current safety measures in place, there are currently many people who have communicated with their mental health professional, medical Physician (or PA or Nurse Practitioner), Clergy, Substance abuse counselor, etc... via technology sources. Why couldn't Meghan done that as well, back then. As it has been said before, when someone mental health is not stable, they do not think clearly. It is not easy for them to just pick up the phone and make a call. It is hard for people that do not have those struggles to understand. You have no idea who has these struggles or not; most people don’t go on international television to announce them. And being too distraught to know how to lucidly seek help is a far cry from saying one tried to get help but was denied. Especially when Harry then flat out said he was too embarrassed to get her help; yet he wants to preach to the common folk about mental health? And insisting Catherine would be treated differently? Yes no one seems to be asking how her mental health was a few weeks post partum with her third child when she’s being painted as a bully who made Meghan cry. Of course the press went with the bridezilla angle...
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Post by joelise on Mar 10, 2021 15:50:05 GMT
There’s nothing I like better than a thread about the British Royal Family but this one has blown my mind!
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Post by oh yvonne on Mar 10, 2021 16:06:32 GMT
It’s not like they can find a ranch in the suburbs and settle down. Lemonade sales on the sidewalk, and putting your recycling at the curb. But they shouldn’t be stuck in the impossible situation they had been in, either. But for a couple who is seeking privacy, why did they pick Santa Barbara? Granted yes it's a city of less than a 100,000 but so close to LA (1.5 hrs). Yes I'm sure they aren't in Santa Barbara but one of the outlying areas but it's still a congested place to live with paparazzi etc. I guess if I wanted privacy and safety, I wouldn't have chosen that area. Montecito is a small community on the outskirts of Sant Barbara, it's nothing, nothing like LA. Very slow pace, rolling hills overlooking the Pacific...lots of very old beautiful tiny homes to big estates. I've been on Oprah's property due to my association with the local rose society. You feel like you are in another world out there, windy tree lined streets, not congested at all. I can't think of a more perfect place to live. No paparazzi out there, many celebs live there very quietly. Perfect weather, close to the beach. Not too far from LA and all the business there, but worlds away. I've always said if I won the lotto there is where I'd live. They made a great choice.
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Post by beebee on Mar 10, 2021 16:34:15 GMT
As it has been said before, when someone mental health is not stable, they do not think clearly. It is not easy for them to just pick up the phone and make a call. It is hard for people that do not have those struggles to understand. You have no idea who has these struggles or not; most people don’t go on international television to announce them. And being too distraught to know how to lucidly seek help is a far cry from saying one tried to get help but was denied. Especially when Harry then flat out said he was too embarrassed to get her help; yet he wants to preach to the common folk about mental health? And insisting Catherine would be treated differently? Yes no one seems to be asking how her mental health was a few weeks post partum with her third child when she’s being painted as a bully who made Meghan cry. Of course the press went with the bridezilla angle... The fact that Harry was embarrassed to ask for mental help and admitted this would be a good thing as an ambassador for mental health. Many people with mental health problems are embarrassed and don't want to admit it or ask for help. The fact that he admitted this makes him a good example. It shows not only how hard it is for people with mental problems to seek help but also how hard it is for the family.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Mar 10, 2021 16:38:39 GMT
I'm willing to bet she did. But her mother is unlikely to be familiar with the British NHS and how to access services. I wouldn't expect members of the RF to be free to walk into any clinic or comfortable calling a hotline. I'm another who is annoyed with Harry's inability to guide her on simple things like the curtsy. I do kind of love that it was Fergie who helped her. Of course they don't rely on the NHS. They have a Royal appointed medical team attached to the Monarchy. That is another aspect of concern with her statement about no one to help. Where as her midwife and her Obstetrician team throughout all of this? They're trained to pick up these things during pre-natal and post natal care. Precisely, and she could have expected absolute discretion and confidentiality.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 16:51:32 GMT
You have no idea who has these struggles or not; most people don’t go on international television to announce them. And being too distraught to know how to lucidly seek help is a far cry from saying one tried to get help but was denied. Especially when Harry then flat out said he was too embarrassed to get her help; yet he wants to preach to the common folk about mental health? And insisting Catherine would be treated differently? Yes no one seems to be asking how her mental health was a few weeks post partum with her third child when she’s being painted as a bully who made Meghan cry. Of course the press went with the bridezilla angle... The fact that Harry was embarrassed to ask for mental help and admitted this would be a good thing as an ambassador for mental health. Many people with mental health problems are embarrassed and don't want to admit it or ask for help. The fact that he admitted this makes him a good example. It shows how hard it is for people with mental problems to seek help. Maybe. I guess his own mental health issues precluded him from helping his wife, so it wasn’t really embarrassment but something deeper? So again, where were her doctors? I don’t think establishing a mental health foundation for the masses yet being too embarrassed to help your own pregnant wife get mental health help is a good example at all. It really makes it seem the mental health stuff is just pandering, like globetrotting in a private jet while railing against excessive carbon footprints.
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Post by mom on Mar 10, 2021 17:09:11 GMT
Several have said that if they’d have remained as “ working royals”, the security for Harry and Archie would have been paid for. Ok. So they were stuck? Remain in that situation where courtiers are telling them where they can go, and what they can say, and oh by the way no you can’t get treatment for your suicidal feelings because that won’t look good, and no you can’t have lunch with your friends because you’re already too much in the news. And can you please dial yourself back about 50%? and so they try the soft leave, we still serve her majesty, but need to step back a bit and are told it’s all or nothing , kids. So the choice was stay in that toxic environment, or go it alone even though Harry and Archie have targets on their backs just because of who they were born to? The reality is they must be protected by expensive security. But what I’m hearing is they would only get that security if they toed that very narrow and appalling line. No wonder Harry described it as trapped. I’m really glad there was enough resources to get them this far, and I hope for continued success to pay for the ongoing cost of their security as they make their lives from here. I remember the media latching on to the debates about their security costs when they still lived in Canada. It’s not like they can find a ranch in the suburbs and settle down. Lemonade sales on the sidewalk, and putting your recycling at the curb. But they shouldn’t be stuck in the impossible situation they had been in, either. The curtsy story I thought was just funny. Harry didn’t realize Meghan would be meeting his grandmother at that point, and so asked if she knew how. No where did I get the idea Meghan looked down on the custom. It was just something she didn’t anticipate. No need to point fingers, it wasn’t that big a deal. The only reason the bridesmaid dresses story was relevant, was the extent with which the leaking of stories was twisted to create a narrative of good Catherine bad Meghan and the helplessness Meghan felt being caught up in it. I’m on my phone so can’t highlight text right...but the part where you’re taking about them being all in or nothing is not factual. They wanted to earn a separate income on top off of being Royal. That isn’t allowed. Remember they wanted to be financially independent? But not really financially independent like the rest of the world thinks of the phrase. They wanted the taxpayers and then Charles to pay for things. They also had a 6 week break in November before choosing to leave being a working Royal. So it’s not like no one was giving them exactly what they wanted. They wanted to be financially independent but not really.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 10, 2021 17:09:36 GMT
But for a couple who is seeking privacy, why did they pick Santa Barbara? Granted yes it's a city of less than a 100,000 but so close to LA (1.5 hrs). Yes I'm sure they aren't in Santa Barbara but one of the outlying areas but it's still a congested place to live with paparazzi etc. I guess if I wanted privacy and safety, I wouldn't have chosen that area. Montecito is a small community on the outskirts of Sant Barbara, it's nothing, nothing like LA. Very slow pace, rolling hills overlooking the Pacific...lots of very old beautiful tiny homes to big estates. I've been on Oprah's property due to my association with the local rose society. You feel like you are in another world out there, windy tree lined streets, not congested at all. I can't think of a more perfect place to live. No paparazzi out there, many celebs live there very quietly. Perfect weather, close to the beach. Not too far from LA and all the business there, but worlds away. I've always said if I won the lotto there is where I'd live. They made a great choice. It sounds like they could avoid press and publicity. If they wanted to.
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Post by gar on Mar 10, 2021 17:15:12 GMT
Those who have an interest in body language and reading it may find this video discussing the H&M interview interesting. That was interesting
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 10, 2021 17:19:48 GMT
I agree, the body language interpretation was interesting. but they quit right after Harry started speaking. I don't think it's unusual that Harry would be tense in a situation like this-- and that Meghan would be more comfortable in an interview situation with Oprah. I would imagine that Harry wouldn't be as comfortable speaking about family situations, considering that the royal life is business as well as family, and that he grew up having to 'protect the image' of the family, so to speak.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 10, 2021 17:26:33 GMT
Montecito is a small community on the outskirts of Sant Barbara, it's nothing, nothing like LA. Very slow pace, rolling hills overlooking the Pacific...lots of very old beautiful tiny homes to big estates. I've been on Oprah's property due to my association with the local rose society. You feel like you are in another world out there, windy tree lined streets, not congested at all. I can't think of a more perfect place to live. No paparazzi out there, many celebs live there very quietly. Perfect weather, close to the beach. Not too far from LA and all the business there, but worlds away. I've always said if I won the lotto there is where I'd live. They made a great choice. It sounds like they could avoid press and publicity. If they wanted to. The only press they've had since they moved there is press they wanted to have. There's a huge cry between that and the unwanted tabloid press of the UK, or even the paparazzi press of the US. They wanted to take control of the press that surrounds them. It seems they have. Good for them.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Mar 10, 2021 18:28:33 GMT
I agree, the body language interpretation was interesting. but they quit right after Harry started speaking. I don't think it's unusual that Harry would be tense in a situation like this-- and that Meghan would be more comfortable in an interview situation with Oprah. I would imagine that Harry wouldn't be as comfortable speaking about family situations, considering that the royal life is business as well as family, and that he grew up having to 'protect the image' of the family, so to speak. After being indoctrinated your whole life that you must make the RF look good at all costs, speaking openly about it had to have been hard. I compare it to being the child of alcoholics who insist the children deny the problem. I was about Harry’s age the first time I spoke aloud that my mother was an alcoholic. I instantly felt a deep seated sense of being a betrayal. Even though it took my mother’s death for me to face her alcoholism and what it did to me. So I did not have to fear her reaction. I cant imagine the stress Harry was feeling.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 10, 2021 18:34:32 GMT
I agree, the body language interpretation was interesting. but they quit right after Harry started speaking. I don't think it's unusual that Harry would be tense in a situation like this-- and that Meghan would be more comfortable in an interview situation with Oprah. I would imagine that Harry wouldn't be as comfortable speaking about family situations, considering that the royal life is business as well as family, and that he grew up having to 'protect the image' of the family, so to speak. After being indoctrinated your whole life that you must make the RF look good at all costs, speaking openly about it had to have been hard. I compare it to being the child of alcoholics who insist the children deny the problem. I was about Harry’s age the first time I spoke aloud that my mother was an alcoholic. I instantly felt a deep seated sense of being a betrayal. Even though it took my mother’s death for me to face her alcoholism and what it did to me. So I did not have to fear her reaction. I cant imagine the stress Harry was feeling. I agree, I watched that video and kinda rolled my eyes on it honestly. The amount of internal anguish he must feel over all of this must be immense. The need to protect his wife and children warring with allegiance to a family he feels doesn't support him.
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Post by papersilly on Mar 10, 2021 18:37:03 GMT
I agree, the body language interpretation was interesting. but they quit right after Harry started speaking. I don't think it's unusual that Harry would be tense in a situation like this-- and that Meghan would be more comfortable in an interview situation with Oprah. I would imagine that Harry wouldn't be as comfortable speaking about family situations, considering that the royal life is business as well as family, and that he grew up having to 'protect the image' of the family, so to speak. i think harry, like the rest of the RF, is a keeper of family/institution/firm secrets. that entity and the legacy are bigger than them as individuals so i think there is an unspoken rule to preserve the façade. regardless of how far and estranged he ever gets from them, he will preserve the secrets.
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Post by myshelly on Mar 10, 2021 18:46:51 GMT
Several have said that if they’d have remained as “ working royals”, the security for Harry and Archie would have been paid for. Ok. So they were stuck? Well, here in the good ol’ real world, a lot of people are in a position where they don’t like their job and want to quit, but if they quit their employer would stop paying their health insurance and salary and things like that. H&M were no more stuck than any other person. Do the job, get the benefits, quit the job, lose the benefits. That’s how shit works. Most people don’t quit their job and then whine that their former employer is no longer paying for their life.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 10, 2021 18:50:26 GMT
Most people don’t quit their job and then whine that their former employer is no longer paying for their life. I'd imagine it might be a bit different if your employer is also the only life you've ever known, and is also your FAMILY. Maybe more akin to quitting the mob or quitting a gang than just leaving a job at a regular employer. eta: my point about the body language video is to say that the fact that Meghan seemed to be 'controlling' the interview isn't necessarily something nefarious that means she's controlling their marriage. It's perfectly normal that he would be tense, and that she would be more controlling in an interview situation.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 10, 2021 18:51:07 GMT
Those who have an interest in body language and reading it may find this video discussing the H&M interview interesting. That was super interesting!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for sharing!
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 18:57:24 GMT
Most people don’t quit their job and then whine that their former employer is no longer paying for their life. I'd imagine it might be a bit different if your employer is also the only life you've ever known, and is also your FAMILY. Maybe more akin to quitting the mob or quitting a gang than just leaving a job at a regular employer. eta: my point about the body language video is to say that the fact that Meghan seemed to be 'controlling' the interview isn't necessarily something nefarious that means she's controlling their marriage. It's perfectly normal that he would be tense, and that she would be more controlling in an interview situation. Ok but how many late 30 somethings get to complain about having to pay their own way when they’re personally worth millions? If a pea was posting about their 30 something kid calling and making financial requests/demands while sitting on inherited millions and not wanting to work in the family business anymore most everyone would be telling the pea it’s time for tough love and cut them off.
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Post by angel97701 on Mar 10, 2021 19:09:54 GMT
Maybe it has already been mentioned as I haven't read all 19 pages regarding the interview. Just my 2 cents worth here . . . but remember M is an actress, so anything the body language expert saw in the interview could also be "acting skills". I just think the whole horrid series of events is sad. Sad for H and M, and the "Firm".
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Post by Jennifer C on Mar 10, 2021 19:13:05 GMT
Several have said that if they’d have remained as “ working royals”, the security for Harry and Archie would have been paid for. Ok. So they were stuck? Well, here in the good ol’ real world, a lot of people are in a position where they don’t like their job and want to quit, but if they quit their employer would stop paying their health insurance and salary and things like that. H&M were no more stuck than any other person. Do the job, get the benefits, quit the job, lose the benefits. That’s how shit works. Most people don’t quit their job and then whine that their former employer is no longer paying for their life. Princess Madeline of Sweden stopped being a Senior Royal after she married. She even moved to New York then Florida. She's a King's daughter with 3 kids that hold Prince and Princess titles, just no HRH. Her family moved to New York, were her husband worked and she started at chair of a children's charity that her Mom started. They had no security, none. They then moved to Florida, still with no security, and both hold jobs, his as a banker and her as head of a charity. I've only seen them do publicity when they or just she goes back to Sweden for events. From what I've seen on Instagram and read, they live a very quiet life. Jennifer
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Post by lesserknownpea on Mar 10, 2021 21:08:54 GMT
Well, here in the good ol’ real world, a lot of people are in a position where they don’t like their job and want to quit, but if they quit their employer would stop paying their health insurance and salary and things like that. H&M were no more stuck than any other person. Do the job, get the benefits, quit the job, lose the benefits. That’s how shit works. Most people don’t quit their job and then whine that their former employer is no longer paying for their life. Princess Madeline of Sweden stopped being a Senior Royal after she married. She even moved to New York then Florida. She's a King's daughter with 3 kids that hold Prince and Princess titles, just no HRH. Her family moved to New York, were her husband worked and she started at chair of a children's charity that her Mom started. They had no security, none. They then moved to Florida, still with no security, and both hold jobs, his as a banker and her as head of a charity. I've only seen them do publicity when they or just she goes back to Sweden for events. From what I've seen on Instagram and read, they live a very quiet life. Jennifer Do you really see that as a safe option for H and M? As for the comparison to those of us who work at our own jobs, my employers have never told me what I could do on my days off, or required that I accept being hated, threatened, isolated, and much more. I don’t care what palace they live in, clothes they wear, jewels, ect, even before this interview I’ve never felt that would be any kind of way to live. Something I read recently called the RF puppets living in fear of the press.
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Post by mom on Mar 10, 2021 21:28:05 GMT
It sounds like they could avoid press and publicity. If they wanted to. The only press they've had since they moved there is press they wanted to have. There's a huge cry between that and the unwanted tabloid press of the UK, or even the paparazzi press of the US. They wanted to take control of the press that surrounds them. It seems they have. Good for them. This is not true. Its not true to the extent they have sued newspapers/magazine (cant recall which it was) for climbing the area behind their home (Tyler Perry's home) and using drones to capture images of Meghan doing yoga and Archie outside. There was a big lawsuit about it. There have also been complaints from them about the general public snapping photos while they were out and about (if I recall, it was when they were pumpkin hunting maybe? Archie wasn't there). So to say they only get the press they want is not true.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Mar 10, 2021 21:37:59 GMT
Former presidents retain security for their entire lives. I think that’s a better comparison than losing health insurance when average people leave a job.
During the interview, a bunch of front pages from tabloids were displayed on the screen. Some of those headlines were horrific. That is not press *anyone* would want.
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