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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 1:12:57 GMT
^What she said. It always gets me when a woman is basically called a bitch just because she isn't sitting there smiling all the time. I did not call her a bitch, but that she was not welcoming. She had a diffirent demeanor when seen with Megan. All in all I think the brunt of the problems stem with Harry...not Meghan, Kate, William, etc. He should have helped her navigate through learning everything. She shouldn't have been expected to just drop into that role and know what to do from the start, especially given that she isn't from there. Who says Harry didn't prepare her BASED upon his experience being born and raised in the firm. His experiences and knowledge would be completely different from Kate's who came from outside. What would seem challenging for an outsider was just how it was for Harry. I think that Kate was eased into the role with help from the royal family. Even Diana was groomed by the Queen Mum for a long period, and she was still challenged. Megan gave up her home country, career, friends etc. She was alone in England, while Harry was carry out official duties. It would be a challenge for anyone, even a 35 year old woman. When she asked for mental health assistance, she was dismissed, by those managing the firm. It is not like she could go directly to the Queen, or Charles, etc. She had to first ask for an audience, and state her needs. Where or who was she to go to? It seems like we selectively give a pass to some women for some things and not for others. According to Meghan, Harry didn’t even let her know she had to curtsy to the Queen until moments before. That seems like royal minute 1 not “”eased in” gradually. Almost seems like Meghan’s interview is already laying the ground for blaming her husband as well as the “Firm”...
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Post by Olan on Mar 10, 2021 1:26:56 GMT
Just read a funny... “Imagine bringing your wife and child to the United States because it’s less racist” 🤣🤣
Also Mr. Morgan having that tantrum filled walk off stage is what every Black woman wanted to see this fine Tuesday! Loved it
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 1:34:37 GMT
Just read a funny... “Imagine bringing your wife and child to the United States because it’s less racist” 🤣🤣 Also Mr. Morgan having that tantrum filled walk off stage is what every Black woman wanted to see this fine Tuesday! Loved it Yeah except he allegedly already has another gig lined up.🙄
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 1:47:09 GMT
On the skin colour issue, Meghan refused to name the person because it would be damaging to that person. This leads me to think it was either Charles or William, as they have the most to lose, popularity wise. Both are in line for the "top job", so a comment like that from either of them, would make them very unpopular. Or it could have been either of their wives. Hard to imagine Kate saying it, but Camilla - I can easily see that. And comments from wives will certainly damage the husband in the eyes of the public. It’s hard to imagine that for the next decade the press won’t be yelling “who is the racist” at the royals and “who said it” at H&M. Which they should have known and been willing to name names if they were going to drop the bomb.
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Post by mom on Mar 10, 2021 1:52:57 GMT
On the skin colour issue, Meghan refused to name the person because it would be damaging to that person. This leads me to think it was either Charles or William, as they have the most to lose, popularity wise. Both are in line for the "top job", so a comment like that from either of them, would make them very unpopular. Or it could have been either of their wives. Hard to imagine Kate saying it, but Camilla - I can easily see that. And comments from wives will certainly damage the husband in the eyes of the public. Im not certain we can assume that, at all. Literally all she said was 'family'. And honestly, H&M weren't really trying to spare anyone any grief with the interview. Why would they decide that was the line they refused to cross?
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Post by Peamac on Mar 10, 2021 2:01:37 GMT
He seems like an awful person, but I would like to know what our British Peas think. He is ! He’s arrogant opinionated and rude. Good ridance,he deserves the consequence of his actions. I might start watching GMB again now that he’s gone. I always wondered why he thinks people value his opinion. I've seen him on a few tv shows commenting on American politics over the years. Why should I care what a British tv guy thinks about a country he's not from?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 2:22:09 GMT
He is ! He’s arrogant opinionated and rude. Good ridance,he deserves the consequence of his actions. I might start watching GMB again now that he’s gone. I always wondered why he thinks people value his opinion. I've seen him on a few tv shows commenting on American politics over the years. Why should I care what a British tv guy thinks about a country he's not from? Did he not work for CNN in the US for about 3 to 4 years? Must be about 8/9 years ago now.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 10, 2021 2:26:12 GMT
I always wondered why he thinks people value his opinion. Because it's his job? They hired him knowing full well what they were getting, his personality didn't change between jobs, TV bosses love those "shock jocks" BECAUSE they cause controversy and increase ratings by getting everyone talking about them. I think Piers has the right to his own opinion just like everyone else, and even though I don't like him, I agree with him on some of his main points about these two. However he made a huge mistake by making this the focus of his ongoing public commentary. He put himself in a lose/lose situation, at work, after a certain point he should have let his personal opinion drop and just focused on reporting the story. TV networks are all about a a "personality" being outspoken and encourage it UNTIL it becomes problem for them, then they are dispensed with very quickly.
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Post by meriannj on Mar 10, 2021 2:38:03 GMT
I can't agree with this more. I imagine Harry like a tour guide. His client was Meghan and his responsibility was to guide her in this foreign land call BRF. He did a pretty shitty job. While the outcome might have been the same, perhaps much of her experience could have been different had he prepared her for the role that only a hundred or so people in the world are familiar with. I totally agree with you. Harry failed to help set Meghan up for success. Fergie had to rush out and teach her how to curtsy before her first meeting with the Queen? How about give her a day or even an hour notice so that she can do it right. This was so telling to me. Jennifer I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning.
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Post by bc2ca on Mar 10, 2021 2:46:50 GMT
Isn't her mother a social worker who worked in the mental health field? She could start with her. I'm willing to bet she did. But her mother is unlikely to be familiar with the British NHS and how to access services. I wouldn't expect members of the RF to be free to walk into any clinic or comfortable calling a hotline. I'm another who is annoyed with Harry's inability to guide her on simple things like the curtsy. I do kind of love that it was Fergie who helped her.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 10, 2021 2:48:13 GMT
I totally agree with you. Harry failed to help set Meghan up for success. Fergie had to rush out and teach her how to curtsy before her first meeting with the Queen? How about give her a day or even an hour notice so that she can do it right. This was so telling to me. Jennifer I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. See I totally got her on this one. I too would have thought it was part of the pageantry that would happen in public at events but not just when you're meeting your boyfriend's grandma amongst the family. I would have been completely shocked at the expectation.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 10, 2021 2:53:42 GMT
On the skin colour issue, Meghan refused to name the person because it would be damaging to that person. This leads me to think it was either Charles or William, as they have the most to lose, popularity wise. Both are in line for the "top job", so a comment like that from either of them, would make them very unpopular. Or it could have been either of their wives. Hard to imagine Kate saying it, but Camilla - I can easily see that. And comments from wives will certainly damage the husband in the eyes of the public. Im not certain we can assume that, at all. Literally all she said was 'family'. And honestly, H&M weren't really trying to spare anyone any grief with the interview. Why would they decide that was the line they refused to cross? Could be one of two reasons. First if they don't name names, it saves burning all the bridges. They can simply deny that they meant Charles or William if and when they want to get back into the good graces or need something. The other reason is because it causes more talk and fallout by just letting people speculate. It is the full metal jacket of accusations and takes out the most people in one shot while they look good for not actually naming names. Look how many people here guessed different members of the RF.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 10, 2021 2:56:40 GMT
I totally agree with you. Harry failed to help set Meghan up for success. Fergie had to rush out and teach her how to curtsy before her first meeting with the Queen? How about give her a day or even an hour notice so that she can do it right. This was so telling to me. Jennifer I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. See I took it totally differently - that sure there are public rituals that she expected, but that they were just public rituals - not something that people actually thought were appropriate in a casual, meet your grandson's girlfriend kind of setting. As an American I totally get it - I think the monarchy is kinda hilarious. Why in the world would these other people expect some kind of special treatment - I mean do people actually still believe in the whole annoited by God bullshit? Why would I curtsey to the Queen? I could see doing it for show in public, but is she actually delusional enough to think that she deserved some kind of special respect? - oh wait I forgot who we were talking about. Do I think Charles or William are actually due something special because of their birth? The whole thing is such a farce.
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Post by hop2 on Mar 10, 2021 2:58:09 GMT
I read several blogs on the BRF, and this one is transitioning over to a new platform, but she did publish an article a couple of days ago. She's clearly very pro-Kate, BUT I feel like she gives a fair assessment of why Meghan is stumbling: fromberkshiretobuckingham.com/2021/03/meghans-slap-in-the-face-to-kate-at-the-royal-foundation-forum-in-2018/A snippet from the blog post: "When Meghan and Harry got engaged, I expressed some concern that Meghan would not understand and thrive within the British Royal Family. As the months rolled by and Meghan challenged royal convention, it became clear that Meghan did not recognize a very important principle of the British monarchy: The Palace will ruthlessly protect its central figures. It is a machine that will show no mercy in its quest to ensure the survival of the institution. It was before the Sussexes even married that I saw this crisis looming. Meghan “hit the ground running,” and came in with the attitude of a CEO hired to save a failing company. She was praised as the breath of fresh air the stodgy monarchy needed. With her Hollywood glamour and her American can-do attitude, she was the darling of the media. Inevitably, the press compared her to Kate, and the narrative formed that Kate was dull next to Meghan’s shining stardom." My point in sharing this is that Meghan didn't understand what being a member of the BRF truly meant back in 2018 and doesn't seem to have increased her knowledge much at all since. It think that once Harry had decided to marry her the business of the BRF decided that they wanted to appear more modern and cool but they didn't want to put in any work on that front. They USED Meagan & Harry without putting in the work to make their 'breath of fresh air that the Stodgy monarchy needed' successful. The didn't want to protect her from the press and they allowed the racist comparison to go on& on. Meagan holding her pregnant stomach is vain but Catherine is fine and all that bullshit. The 'firm' thought oh fine Harry will marry her and we will be seen as modern and that will be that. But that is not how things like that work they didn't want to actually BE modern, they didn't actually want a 'breath of fresh air' they just wanted the appearance of being cool and modern without actually putting in the work. They were used.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 10, 2021 3:31:28 GMT
I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. See I took it totally differently - that sure there are public rituals that she expected, but that they were just public rituals - not something that people actually thought were appropriate in a casual, meet your grandson's girlfriend kind of setting. As an American I totally get it - I think the monarchy is kinda hilarious. Why in the world would these other people expect some kind of special treatment - I mean do people actually still believe in the whole annoited by God bullshit? Why would I curtsey to the Queen? I could see doing it for show in public, but is she actually delusional enough to think that she deserved some kind of special respect? - oh wait I forgot who we were talking about. Do I think Charles or William are actually due something special because of their birth? The whole thing is such a farce. I dunno; I was surprised that someone who was marrying a Prince wouldn’t have known that. Someone should have told her the protocol. When actors are made dames or knights, the ceremony protocol is explained to them. I’m not a royal watcher, just a fan of Judy Dench and Maggie Smith. This whole situation is sad all the way round. I hope that they can resolve it someday.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Mar 10, 2021 4:20:55 GMT
I totally agree with you. Harry failed to help set Meghan up for success. Fergie had to rush out and teach her how to curtsy before her first meeting with the Queen? How about give her a day or even an hour notice so that she can do it right. This was so telling to me. Jennifer I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. This was the feeling I got too. The way she stares down Harry at times is unnerving to me.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 4:52:26 GMT
I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. See I totally got her on this one. I too would have thought it was part of the pageantry that would happen in public at events but not just when you're meeting your boyfriend's grandma amongst the family. I would have been completely shocked at the expectation. So wouldn’t you have wanted your boyfriend/fiancé to clue you in that everyone pays courtesy to the monarch the first time they see them each day? And how is it that as an American who has never met let alone dated a royal I know this yet Harry couldn’t be bothered to tell Meghan?
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 4:53:51 GMT
Isn't her mother a social worker who worked in the mental health field? She could start with her. I'm willing to bet she did. But her mother is unlikely to be familiar with the British NHS and how to access services. I wouldn't expect members of the RF to be free to walk into any clinic or comfortable calling a hotline. I'm another who is annoyed with Harry's inability to guide her on simple things like the curtsy. I do kind of love that it was Fergie who helped her. Wouldn’t she have been under the care of an OBGYN who could attend to her medical needs? Mine certainly screened for physical and mental health through three pregnancies.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 10, 2021 5:05:02 GMT
I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. Honestly? I would absolutely be shocked. I get that I’m an ignorant American when it comes to what is apparently common knowledge with a royal family, but I would think that someone meeting “the queen” in a public setting would absolutely be different than me meeting my boyfriend’s grandma. Not that I think she is beneath me, but I also don’t think I’m beneath her. I’d be nervous because I wanted to make a good impression on the family, and I want them to like me, not that I might inadvertently offend someone with some breach of etiquette that no one uses in their normal, day-to-day life. I mean... Do they call her grandma? Or always by a title? Can they ring her up on the phone? Greet her with a hug? At what point does this family get to be a family? Never? ETA: I should have read all the comments, so ditto to chaosisapony and Darcy Collins .
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Post by busy on Mar 10, 2021 5:24:50 GMT
I totally agree with you. Harry failed to help set Meghan up for success. Fergie had to rush out and teach her how to curtsy before her first meeting with the Queen? How about give her a day or even an hour notice so that she can do it right. This was so telling to me. Jennifer I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. I guess I makes me profoundly American, but I too would have been surprised that curtsying to my boyfriend’s grandmother in private was expected. In public, when she’s The Queen, sure.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 10, 2021 5:33:45 GMT
See I totally got her on this one. I too would have thought it was part of the pageantry that would happen in public at events but not just when you're meeting your boyfriend's grandma amongst the family. I would have been completely shocked at the expectation. So wouldn’t you have wanted your boyfriend/fiancé to clue you in that everyone pays courtesy to the monarch the first time they see them each day? And how is it that as an American who has never met let alone dated a royal I know this yet Harry couldn’t be bothered to tell Meghan? I watched the whole interview and to me it sounds like he did tell her. Hence the "do you know how to curtsy?" when he found out his grandmother was going to be present. Then he and Fergie helped her learn and practice. I can see why this may not have come up prior in their relationship because Grandma hadn't been present. If he hadn't prepared her and then just had her walk into the room without knowing what to do would have been an asshole move.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 5:35:18 GMT
I think even more telling was that she was "shocked" that she was expected to curtsy, almost like that was beneath her to have to show respect to the queen. That to me showed me her attitude from the beginning. I guess I makes me profoundly American, but I too would have been surprised that curtsying to my boyfriend’s grandmother in private was expected. In public, when she’s The Queen, sure. She’s always the Queen.
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Post by used2scrap on Mar 10, 2021 5:35:44 GMT
So wouldn’t you have wanted your boyfriend/fiancé to clue you in that everyone pays courtesy to the monarch the first time they see them each day? And how is it that as an American who has never met let alone dated a royal I know this yet Harry couldn’t be bothered to tell Meghan? I watched the whole interview and to me it sounds like he did tell her. Hence the "do you know how to curtsy?" when he found out his grandmother was going to be present. Then he and Fergie helped her learn and practice. I can see why this may not have come up prior in their relationship because Grandma hadn't been present. If he hadn't prepared her and then just had her walk into the room without knowing what to do would have been an asshole move. Ok then why did Meghan complain she was unprepared then?
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Post by pjaye on Mar 10, 2021 5:59:34 GMT
Wouldn’t she have been under the care of an OBGYN who could attend to her medical needs? Mine certainly screened for physical and mental health through three pregnancies. and not only that, there were plenty of reports that she ditched the Queens regular doctors because she " didn't want men in suits delivering her baby" and she hired her own female obstetrician. Good for her, I'd want a female as well. I fully support that move. But I do then find it hard to accept that while she was able to fully & successfully advocate for her own birth team and plan, that no-one would help her when she was suicidal? Let's also not forget that although claims her passport and keys were taken away from her but she was still able to organize to fly to the USA for her baby shower. I think even Royals still require a passport to fly overseas so they must have given it back to her when she asked for it. And even though she didn't organize the shower herself, there's still logistics at this end she would have had to deal with. I honestly cannot believe in this day and age and with all the awareness of mental health AND they royal family having failed Diana and all the fall out from that, AND with so many of their causes by William and Harry being mental health based with the theme of "asking for help" that when a distressed pregnant woman tells someone in the Palace that she feels like harming herself that their response is simply "nope, can't help you, it would look bad" Nor does her husband make sure she gets that help. It just doesn't ring true. She is allowed to choose her own birth doctors, but she is refused mental health help? She's in such a dark place, but she can still advocate for her birth plan and fly out to a baby shower in another country? The Royals have her passport and try to stop her going out for lunch - yet she gets to fly overseas to her shower? Some parts of those stories are direct contradictions, can people not see why some of us are doubting some of the current claims when they don't match up with the facts of what already happened?
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 10, 2021 6:27:34 GMT
In this day and age with all the technology sources(facetime, skype, etc....) and Hippa laws in the USA, I am surprised that Meghan didn't reach out to a mental health professional in the USA and seek treatment that way.
Because of Hippa laws, the medical provider/therapist would not be allowed to disclose that they were treating her. If she were in the privacy of her home, the public wouldn't know she was being treated for mental health issues. If she kept it between herself, Harry and the therapist...no one else in the Royal Family would even know.
With the current safety measures in place, there are currently many people who have communicated with their mental health professional, medical Physician (or PA or Nurse Practitioner), Clergy, Substance abuse counselor, etc... via technology sources. Why couldn't Meghan done that as well, back then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 11:14:17 GMT
Isn't her mother a social worker who worked in the mental health field? She could start with her. I'm willing to bet she did. But her mother is unlikely to be familiar with the British NHS and how to access services. I wouldn't expect members of the RF to be free to walk into any clinic or comfortable calling a hotline. I'm another who is annoyed with Harry's inability to guide her on simple things like the curtsy. I do kind of love that it was Fergie who helped her. Of course they don't rely on the NHS. They have a Royal appointed medical team attached to the Monarchy. That is another aspect of concern with her statement about no one to help. Where as her midwife and her Obstetrician team throughout all of this? They're trained to pick up these things during pre-natal and post natal care.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Mar 10, 2021 12:01:20 GMT
Several have said that if they’d have remained as “ working royals”, the security for Harry and Archie would have been paid for.
Ok. So they were stuck? Remain in that situation where courtiers are telling them where they can go, and what they can say, and oh by the way no you can’t get treatment for your suicidal feelings because that won’t look good, and no you can’t have lunch with your friends because you’re already too much in the news. And can you please dial yourself back about 50%?
and so they try the soft leave, we still serve her majesty, but need to step back a bit and are told it’s all or nothing , kids.
So the choice was stay in that toxic environment, or go it alone even though Harry and Archie have targets on their backs just because of who they were born to? The reality is they must be protected by expensive security. But what I’m hearing is they would only get that security if they toed that very narrow and appalling line. No wonder Harry described it as trapped.
I’m really glad there was enough resources to get them this far, and I hope for continued success to pay for the ongoing cost of their security as they make their lives from here.
I remember the media latching on to the debates about their security costs when they still lived in Canada.
It’s not like they can find a ranch in the suburbs and settle down. Lemonade sales on the sidewalk, and putting your recycling at the curb. But they shouldn’t be stuck in the impossible situation they had been in, either.
The curtsy story I thought was just funny. Harry didn’t realize Meghan would be meeting his grandmother at that point, and so asked if she knew how. No where did I get the idea Meghan looked down on the custom. It was just something she didn’t anticipate. No need to point fingers, it wasn’t that big a deal.
The only reason the bridesmaid dresses story was relevant, was the extent with which the leaking of stories was twisted to create a narrative of good Catherine bad Meghan and the helplessness Meghan felt being caught up in it.
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Post by gar on Mar 10, 2021 12:11:02 GMT
Several have said that if they’d have remained as “ working royals”, the security for Harry and Archie would have been paid for. Ok. So they were stuck? Remain in that situation where courtiers are telling them where they can go, and what they can say, and oh by the way no you can’t get treatment for your suicidal feelings because that won’t look good, and no you can’t have lunch with your friends because you’re already too much in the news. And can you please dial yourself back about 50%? and so they try the soft leave, we still serve her majesty, but need to step back a bit and are told it’s all or nothing , kids. So the choice was stay in that toxic environment, or go it alone even though Harry and Archie have targets on their backs just because of who they were born to? The reality is they must be protected by expensive security. But what I’m hearing is they would only get that security if they toed that very narrow and appalling line. No wonder Harry described it as trapped. I’m really glad there was enough resources to get them this far, and I hope for continued success to pay for the ongoing cost of their security as they make their lives from here. I remember the media latching on to the debates about their security costs when they still lived in Canada. It’s not like they can find a ranch in the suburbs and settle down. Lemonade sales on the sidewalk, and putting your recycling at the curb. But they shouldn’t be stuck in the impossible situation they had been in, either. The curtsy story I thought was just funny. Harry didn’t realize Meghan would be meeting his grandmother at that point, and so asked if she knew how. No where did I get the idea Meghan looked down on the custom. It was just something she didn’t anticipate. No need to point fingers, it wasn’t that big a deal. The only reason the bridesmaid dresses story was relevant, was the extent with which the leaking of stories was twisted to create a narrative of good Catherine bad Meghan and the helplessness Meghan felt being caught up in it. As has also been said before, other royals have managed to live quiet private lives without all the drama - there are ways of achieving it clearly as we can see by those who have gone before.
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Post by YooHoot on Mar 10, 2021 12:20:33 GMT
It’s not like they can find a ranch in the suburbs and settle down. Lemonade sales on the sidewalk, and putting your recycling at the curb. But they shouldn’t be stuck in the impossible situation they had been in, either. But for a couple who is seeking privacy, why did they pick Santa Barbara? Granted yes it's a city of less than a 100,000 but so close to LA (1.5 hrs). Yes I'm sure they aren't in Santa Barbara but one of the outlying areas but it's still a congested place to live with paparazzi etc. I guess if I wanted privacy and safety, I wouldn't have chosen that area.
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