Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 8, 2021 14:32:50 GMT
I did not watch the interview last night, but not out of any protest against it... we played board games with our son and his girlfriend instead. And now I'm thinking I didn't miss much.
I'm a firm believer in the one person's truth, the other person's truth, and the real truth lying somewhere in the middle theory. It's an unfortunate situation and sad that family rifts are being created and/or cemented.
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Regarding Meghan, it appears that the RF knowing she was to become part and being American—that they could have reached out with a person to help her navigate all the Royal idiosyncrasies and nuances no?
They helped Kate adjust for 10years, and they would have done the exact same thing for Meghan, but these two were in such a tearing hurry and thought they knew it all, they ignored all the advice they got. Remember the engagement video? She sold him a bill of goods claiming she was ready to "hit the ground running". Harry got angry with William for suggesting they slow down. They are the ones who thought they had this in the bag and it would be all sunshine and roses for them.
I 100% believe they could have had a small wedding, and then gone to live somewhere quietly for a few years and gradually eased themselves into royal life - like William and Kate did. But they convinced themselves and everyone else they were ready for this - and they clearly weren't. Then instead of accepting responsibility for not taking more time, they are just blaming everyone else for their failure to cope.
These weren't naïve 20yo like Diana, they were in their mid 30s and had careers so there's a reasonable expectation they apply themselves to learning about their roles, protocol etc, instead they wanted to be spoon fed every aspect. Harry knew full well if she'd have to curtsy to the Queen...WTF didn't he take responsibility for teaching her that?
Wait..did I just hear on GMA that they were married before their wedding day??
I was married twice with two weeks in between ,I don’t know the laws in England but in Switzerland a church wedding is not legal you have to be married in a civil ceremony first.
Of course she is having a girl, there was no doubt in my mind she did gender selection to ensure a girl. Can't be the woke much feminist as the mother of two boys, she needs a girl for that. A girl also gives her much netter marketing opportunities than a boy does.
Your hatred for Megan has been duly noted but that is just vile
This thread is a showcase of the kind of white women behavior that women of color rightly point out as toxic/damaging.
I forgot ALL women of colour are 100% perfect and can never do a single thing wrong and you can never criticize them for anything (because racist!!)
Did you delete your post about Harry's finances because it didn't back up your point? And you failed to answer - if he has all this money, then why is he the one bitching about being cut off financially?
Your hatred for Megan has been duly noted but that is just vile
OK, noted that you noted...you want a medal for that?
Why do you think this couple who refused to say when Archie was born are suddenly doing the big gender reveal on Oprah? Because they've got to give all the potential sponsors the head's up that's why.
Wait..did I just hear on GMA that they were married before their wedding day??
I was married twice with two weeks in between ,I don’t know the laws in England but in Switzerland a church wedding is not legal you have to be married in a civil ceremony first.
They didn't marry in Switzerland though did they? Yes, they are different in the UK, not much point in comparing the rest of the world to what she said in that interview. I don't doubt that she had a private ceremony where they chose to say their own personal vows to each other, that could very well be true but she didn't get MARRIED. That is what is in contention.
This thread is a showcase of the kind of white women behavior that women of color rightly point out as toxic/damaging.
I forgot ALL women of colour are 100% perfect and can never do a single thing wrong and you can never criticize them for anything (because racist!!)
Did you delete your post about Harry's finances because it didn't back up your point? And you failed to answer - if he has all this money, then why is he the one bitching about being cut off financially?
I deleted both of my posts because I decided I didn’t want to participate in this toxic shit.
And then I felt wrong about doing it because letting this kind of behavior go unchallenged is exactly another shitty thing that white women do.
Nowhere did I say anything even remotely close to women of color are perfect and can’t be criticized. Your particular brand of bizarre hard-on for this couple aside, there are lots of comments in this thread that would never be leveled at, say, Kate.
Meghan and Harry aren’t perfect, no one is. But the willingness to excuse really crappy treatment of her with some of the mental gymnastics- especially coming from peas who have a long history of telling other peas that no is a complete sentence and they shouldn’t take abuse from families - is quite disturbing.
I’ve never seen a Tyler Perry movie. I’m willing to bet I’m like 1 of 5 because Black people love a movie that has representation🤣. Now I feel like I have to binge watch all of them.
And then I felt wrong about doing it because letting this kind of behavior go unchallenged is exactly another shitty thing that white women do.
Ok OK, you win the most woke medal for today...now you can stop trying so hard.
But I'm still interested in your take on why Harry is bitching about being cut off when he has all those $$$$ you posted about from his mother...what was your point there?
And then I felt wrong about doing it because letting this kind of behavior go unchallenged is exactly another shitty thing that white women do.
Ok OK, you win the most woke medal for today...now you can stop trying so hard.
But I'm still interested in your take on why Harry is bitching about being cut off when he has all those $$$$ you posted about from his mother...what was your point there?
Shaming other people for being “woke” is such a racist thing to do. You must provide the absolute best care for every patient you come across 🙄
And then I felt wrong about doing it because letting this kind of behavior go unchallenged is exactly another shitty thing that white women do.
Ok OK, you win the most woke medal for today...now you can stop trying so hard.
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The fact that you think the only reason people would stand up to behavior like this is to look “woke” - wow. Thanks for showing us exactly who you are.
Nowhere did I say anything even remotely close to women of color are perfect and can’t be criticized. Your particular brand of bizarre hard-on for this couple aside,
I don't have a penis, so what's with the constant "hard on" comments?...very negative language, and obviously you must have very negative transphobic thoughts to be constantly talking about women having penises and erections in such a derogatory way. But that's just another thing shitty cis women do.
You also VERY conveniently ignore that I am just as critical of very white red haired Harry as I am of his wife, so how exactly does treating them as equal, make me racist?
I was married twice with two weeks in between ,I don’t know the laws in England but in Switzerland a church wedding is not legal you have to be married in a civil ceremony first.
They didn't marry in Switzerland though did they? Yes, they are different in the UK, not much point in comparing the rest of the world to what she said in that interview. I don't doubt that she had a private ceremony where they chose to say their own personal vows to each other, that could very well be true but she didn't get MARRIED. That is what is in contention.
Growing up in England I knew there was a fondness and reverence for the Queen but it seemed very distant. I had no idea that people thought the way they do and get so passionate about every detail. My Mum used to enjoy reading / watching things to do with the royal family but it was a passing interest and relaxed never intense.
My take on the royal family is one of feeling sorry for the way that Princess Diana was treated by them ,feeling sorry for her sons having to walk behind her coffin , feeling sorry for the relentless way the press harassed her. So with that I can see the possibility of history repeating itself despite not knowing the details.
I am also finding the way royal correspondents on tv claim to know everything that goes on behind closed doors very irritating. Their choice of words and delivery style showing their bias. I just turned the news off .
I would encourage everyone to look online at the responses in the Black community to the interview. Of course there’s diversity of opinion there, because no demographic group al thinks the same. But on the whole, the reactions are very different than what we’re seeing here. I think we could all benefit from seeking out other viewpoints and giving real thought to them and why reactions are so divergent.
Having never walked in their shoes I certainly have no dog in this fight. I do wish Harry and Meghan all the best as they continue to navigate life and raise their family.
Pjaye, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but you really are invested in letting us know how much you dislike Meghan. You have around a dozen replies/retorts in this thread alone.
We get your view. Everything the woman does or says will be through that lens for you.
Pjaye, I don’t have a dog in the fight, but you really are invested in letting us know how much you dislike Meghan. You have around a dozen replies/retorts in this thread alone.
We get your view. Everything the woman does or says will be through that lens for you.
We get your opinion.
Well clearly you don't because you've missed half of it.
Why are you choosing to focus ONLY on Meghan?...I've said just as much about Harry, but you focus on Meghan...makes for better bitchy handslapping doesn't it? If my whole opinion isn't getting through - might have to post some more.
I think it's insane to equate a discussion regarding coloring of potential offspring - without putting it in the context of an extremely visible woman who had been vilified by certain elements of the British press for her ancestry in an overt racist manner. I can't imagine even speculating on whether the children would have her brown eyes or Harry's blue, in this context. She'd already been subjected to way too much racist commentary. Again fully acknowledging that I didn't see the interview in the entirety, but the fact that Harry took the comment differently to me is utterly irrelevant.
Post by The Great Carpezio on Mar 8, 2021 16:28:38 GMT
I would imagine the truth is muddled up somewhere in the middle. No one is innocent and no one is the villain. The fact that some people continue to try to paint them as some type of movie trope is telling.
There appears to be a systemic failure that is concerning but not all that surprising with the British royalty. I do not think the couple is lying, but they really should have been more proactive in preparing for all of this and perhaps been more assertive in asking for more support. I don’t think “The Firm” is malicious. I think they are made up of humans with a long history of making a mess of things due to their unique and narrow perspective.
I do think a lot of their decision making is due to fear of the public moving against them (aka media helps to control that). They need to be loved or at least tolerated in order to survive, so they see everything through that lens (survival, duty and history) and it keeps them from being able to forge healthy new paths. I think it must be incredibly hard to do that.
They ALL should have been much more prepared for this...including how they would address racism against Meghan. They all should be MUCH more aware of mental health and how to deal with all of this better. There should be discussions, on the regular, with The Firm, working through issues and concerns openly and honestly.
My god, I know it isn’t easy, but they continue to be reactive instead of proactive. I wish the Queen and Phillip no ill will, but hopefully the next generations will be able to do this (not really hopeful about Charles though).
Wait..did I just hear on GMA that they were married before their wedding day??
I was married twice with two weeks in between ,I don’t know the laws in England but in Switzerland a church wedding is not legal you have to be married in a civil ceremony first.
A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first.
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A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first.
didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other?