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Post by tracylynn on Mar 8, 2021 16:42:02 GMT
A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first. didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other? This is exactly what I thought! Of course they wanted something private. Their wedding was televised around the World for crying out loud. I think the interview was sad. Whether 'the firm' is malicious or not, I don't know. But they failed Harry (and William) 24 years ago, and they failed H&M now. I don't blame Harry one bit for wanting out. When you see history repeating itself, and this time with a racist twist, you do better. He's trying to do better for himself and his family.
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Post by joelise on Mar 8, 2021 16:45:34 GMT
A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first. didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other? Yes, I could see that they might want something more intimate to share together, but it wouldn’t have been a legal marriage. Not sure why they chose to share this with the world though.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Mar 8, 2021 16:46:38 GMT
didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other? This is exactly what I thought! Of course they wanted something private. Their wedding was televised around the World for crying out loud. I think the interview was sad. Whether 'the firm' is malicious or not, I don't know. But they failed Harry (and William) 24 years ago, and they failed H&M now. I don't blame Harry one bit for wanting out. When you see history repeating itself, and this time with a racist twist, you do better. He's trying to do better for himself and his family. I don’t know that they are malicious or not either, but I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they do want their children/grandchildren to be happy since I will never know their truth. I agree, I just don’t know how they couldn’t see where this was going to go.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 8, 2021 16:51:43 GMT
Has there ever been a more privileged couple who were the victims of more unfortunate events and challenges? It would almost seem that they have become professional victims of causes to champion.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 8, 2021 17:00:16 GMT
I read the WaPo article on the interview, so I did not see it in its entirety.
I cannot stop thinking about a group of people telling two young boys who just lost their mother in a tragic accident that they needed to walk behind her casket with thousands and thousands of people gazing on. And they had to stand strong in doing so. It breaks my heart.
So I am extrapolating, but after Diana's 90s interview, I am not surprised to hear that the "firm" controls a lot. Meghan apparently gave Harry the courage to make a change. Do I think she has some ulterior motives? Possibly, but it doesn't really matter, does it? Would we rather see her ragged and in tears throughout an interview to prove she's telling the truth? She's a strong woman and she has to be. Let's not knock her down because she's not following the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:06:23 GMT
I would encourage everyone to look online at the responses in the Black community to the interview. Of course there’s diversity of opinion there, because no demographic group al thinks the same. But on the whole, the reactions are very different than what we’re seeing here. I think we could all benefit from seeking out other viewpoints and giving real thought to them and why reactions are so divergent. I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of.
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 17:13:19 GMT
Nowhere did I say anything even remotely close to women of color are perfect and can’t be criticized. Your particular brand of bizarre hard-on for this couple aside, I don't have a penis, so what's with the constant "hard on" comments?...very negative language, and obviously you must have very negative transphobic thoughts to be constantly talking about women having penises and erections in such a derogatory way. But that's just another thing shitty cis women do. You also VERY conveniently ignore that I am just as critical of very white red haired Harry as I am of his wife, so how exactly does treating them as equal, make me racist? Because you revel in your hate for them. It’s like you get off on it. Then when you’re called out on your bizarre,hateful obsession, you get very defensive. As for your hate of Harry, well, he had the audacity to marry a black woman you despise. Carry on with your hatefest.
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 8, 2021 17:14:36 GMT
I do love starting the day with a good laugh. I'm surprised you can still manage to laugh with your tongue so far up Olan's arse. Wow! I will never think of you again the same way I have over the last few years, ever.
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 8, 2021 17:14:38 GMT
I would encourage everyone to look online at the responses in the Black community to the interview. Of course there’s diversity of opinion there, because no demographic group al thinks the same. But on the whole, the reactions are very different than what we’re seeing here. I think we could all benefit from seeking out other viewpoints and giving real thought to them and why reactions are so divergent. I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of. Spot on.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 8, 2021 17:16:08 GMT
There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Do you think this will be one of the "fact checking" that will or has gone on and then some kind of clarification?? I do believe that the truth about what they said lies in the middle somewhere. Someone once told me "There's 3 sides to every story with the truth being in between" I wish them no ill
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 17:18:41 GMT
A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first. didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other? Right? To listen to these haters though, it’s like the only other possible explanation is that they’re lying. They exchanged vows with each other and in the eyes of God privately and then made it legal a few days later. So? But the haters just want to catch her in “another lie”.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:19:24 GMT
A church wedding in England is legal, there is no need for a civil ceremony first. didn't watch the interview, but my thoughts- isn't there a chance that they wanted something private before the big Royal family wedding hoopla? Just something with an officiant, to do between JUST them, to make vows to each other? I mentioned that in another post. Fine if they wanted to make personal vows to each other and quite possibly that was done, why not say that was what they did? But saying they were married three days before the actual public ceremony is just not true, it can't be it would be illegal to do so and contributes to further social media discussions for a couple that has asked for privacy. There is a set of legally worded vows for anyone who is married in the UK otherwise their marriage isn't legal.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 8, 2021 17:22:27 GMT
I imagine “The Firm” could also include the network of royal aides, many of whom personally and professionally prioritize image and/or “their” royal - a network not unlike the Vatican Curia: old guard, hierarchal, tradition-bound, conservative, jockeying, class-conscious. I imagine family members might have much more daily contact with/advice from this network than with actual family members.
Related: I would not be at all surprised that racism exists within this structure - family members or aides. Why is it so hard to believe people make offensive - if veiled - comments or innuendo?
Also related: I can also imagine that seeking emergency mental health treatment within this structure - or even deciding whether to access the help yourself - would be fraught. Again: image, protocol, tradition, media. How could that not create hesitance, indecision, reluctance? This would be a far different situation than morning sickness.
Detail: my young adult American children posed in front of Buckingham Palace. At the time (pre”The Crown” LOL), they probably would have said “The Queen of England” (yes, inaccurate) lives there and could come up with her name and no others. I wonder if people are taking what Meghan said too literally.
(Nah, I didn’t watch. Just reacting to what I read here. I agree that the royal intra-family struggles are probably way more complicated and nuanced than our under informed speculation allows. I also think it’s kind of fascinating culturally. I wish this couple and their children well.)
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Post by Olan on Mar 8, 2021 17:25:33 GMT
I would encourage everyone to look online at the responses in the Black community to the interview. Of course there’s diversity of opinion there, because no demographic group al thinks the same. But on the whole, the reactions are very different than what we’re seeing here. I think we could all benefit from seeking out other viewpoints and giving real thought to them and why reactions are so divergent. I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of. Offensive? Really? What does what you’ve said have anything to do with someone suggesting you look for an online presence that will give you a different viewpoint. You’ve mentioned not an ounce of racism went into not giving Archie a title but didn’t touch on the shit ton of other accusations of racism and colorism the interview mentioned. What do you think about even the one instance where she describes being asked about the coloring of a child she hadn’t yet given birth to. Listen anyone not acknowledging Meghan being a Black woman contributed to her negative reception should stop lying to themselves. Do note one doesn’t have to be British to have the same knowledge of its inner workings. Pjaye is in Australia and obsessed so you dismissing the idea that the Black community could have an informed opinion about the Meghan and Harry debacle says a lot.
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 17:28:13 GMT
I'm surprised you can still manage to laugh with your tongue so far up Olan's arse. Wow! I will never think of you again the same way I have over the last few years, ever. She’s Lauren 2.0. Vile, racist, and crazy.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Mar 8, 2021 17:30:38 GMT
Just for fun, I searched for my post here from when this couple got engaged. It was rather gloomy...
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Post by busy on Mar 8, 2021 17:31:07 GMT
I would encourage everyone to look online at the responses in the Black community to the interview. Of course there’s diversity of opinion there, because no demographic group al thinks the same. But on the whole, the reactions are very different than what we’re seeing here. I think we could all benefit from seeking out other viewpoints and giving real thought to them and why reactions are so divergent. I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of. I'm not talking about the Archie title thing at all, nor just to Brits. I'm talking about how much Meghan's descriptions of her experiences resonated with a seemingly large segment of Black Americans. Things here that are being dismissed as "just the way it is, suck it up" are being perceived as painful microaggressions (and some not micro- at all) and gaslighting that many people of color have regularly experienced in different contexts. There's an undercurrent here that she's lying about her experiences and feelings but the fact that they clearly ring true with a lot of people who've been on the receiving end of similar treatment (again, obviously in different contexts) is something I think we should all consider.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:31:45 GMT
There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Do you think this will be one of the "fact checking" that will or has gone on and then some kind of clarification?? I do believe that the truth about what they said lies in the middle somewhere. Someone once told me "There's 3 sides to every story with the truth being in between" I wish them no ill From who, the production team? No use doing it now, they've already perpetuated the falsehood. Meghan and or Harry could have truthfully answered the reason why he doesn't have one quite easily when they were asked the question without tagging on the suggestion of racism. Both of them would have/should have known why and that it had nothing to do with the colour of Archie's skin. Harry has cousins with children, all white and non of them have titles but they are all great-grandchildren of the Queen. Why should they expect different for theirs?
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 8, 2021 17:32:48 GMT
Wow! I will never think of you again the same way I have over the last few years, ever. She’s Lauren 2.0. Vile, racist, and crazy. Your comparison is apt.
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Post by bethany102399 on Mar 8, 2021 17:33:22 GMT
Also related: I can also imagine that seeking emergency mental health within this structure - or even deciding whether to access the help yourself - would be fraught. Again: image, protocol, tradition, media. How could that not create hesitance, indecision, reluctance? This would be a far different situation than morning sickness. I think this hits it on the nose. I also think it's got to be tied in with generational views on seeking help for mental issues. I see this in my own family, my mothers generation and certainly her mothers had a real bias against getting help in this area. That coupled with the structure of "the firm" has led to I'm sure more than one person not getting the help they need.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:34:04 GMT
I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of. Offensive? Really? What does what you’ve said have anything to do with someone suggesting you look for an online presence that will give you a different viewpoint. You’ve mentioned not an ounce of racism went into not giving Archie a title but didn’t touch on the shit ton of other accusations of racism and colorism the interview mentioned. What do you think about even the one instance where she describes being asked about the coloring of a child she hadn’t yet given birth to. Listen anyone not acknowledging Meghan being a Black woman contributed to her negative reception should stop lying to themselves. Do note one doesn’t have to be British to have the same knowledge of its inner workings. Pjaye is in Australia and obsessed so you dismissing the idea that the Black community could have an informed opinion about the Meghan and Harry debacle says a lot. Yes, I do find it offensive and insulting when someone from another country tells me to go look on line and benefit from some strangers knowledge about the constitution and governance of my own country. ETA and for the record I haven't watched the whole show so I am not prepared to comment on something that I haven't seen or heard as yet. There have been extract shared on social media regarding Archie's title. It was that and that alone I was commenting on from a constitutional aspect only.
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Post by busy on Mar 8, 2021 17:35:32 GMT
Offensive? Really? What does what you’ve said have anything to do with someone suggesting you look for an online presence that will give you a different viewpoint. You’ve mentioned not an ounce of racism went into not giving Archie a title but didn’t touch on the shit ton of other accusations of racism and colorism the interview mentioned. What do you think about even the one instance where she describes being asked about the coloring of a child she hadn’t yet given birth to. Listen anyone not acknowledging Meghan being a Black woman contributed to her negative reception should stop lying to themselves. Do note one doesn’t have to be British to have the same knowledge of its inner workings. Pjaye is in Australia and obsessed so you dismissing the idea that the Black community could have an informed opinion about the Meghan and Harry debacle says a lot. Yes, I do find it offensive and insulting when someone from another country tells me to go look on line and benefit from some strangers knowledge about the constitution and governance of my own country. I am sorry I was not more clear about the scope of what I was referring to. I'm talking about feelings and experiences, not constitution and governance. And I do believe there is a lot of value in listening to others about that.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 8, 2021 17:35:39 GMT
From who, the production team? No use doing it now, they've already perpetuated the falsehood. Meghan and or Harry could have truthfully answered the reason why he doesn't have one quite easily when they were asked the question without tagging on the suggestion of racism. Both of them would have/should have known why and that it had nothing to do with the colour of Archie's skin. Harry has cousins with children, all white and non of them have titles but they are all great-grandchildren of the Queen. Why should they expect different for theirs? True..thanks
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Post by Montannie on Mar 8, 2021 17:36:15 GMT
I find it quite offensive that you should suggest that we, as Brits and others who know how the constitutional Monarchy and the Governance of this country is laid down would benefit from the viewpoints of others online when we're actually pointing out the constitutional anomalies in some of the things Meghan has said. What possible benefit would be gained through their view point when most of them know nothing about the workings of this country? There was not an ounce of racism in the fact that Archie wasn't given a title, not one bit. It's shocking that no one on that production team didn't fact check this, the details are easy to find. Yet, they were quite happy to let it go and share it with others so they could form their own opinion, viewpoint and reactions on something that wasn't true, especially when she linked it to the accusation of racism from one unnamed person. But I guess to do so would not make such sensational viewing figure and would continue perpetuating falsehoods that they so readily accuse the RF of. I'm not talking about the Archie title thing at all, nor just to Brits. I'm talking about how much Meghan's descriptions of her experiences resonated with a seemingly large segment of Black Americans. Things here that are being dismissed as "just the way it is, suck it up" are being perceived as painful microaggressions (and some not micro- at all) and gaslighting that many people of color have regularly experienced in different contexts. There's an undercurrent here that she's lying about her experiences and feelings but the fact that they clearly ring true with a lot of people who've been on the receiving end of similar treatment (again, obviously in different contexts) is something I think we should all consider. I thought it was interesting that Oprah contrasted the different treatment by the tabloids between Kate and Meghan, re: cradling their baby bumps, and the avocado toast "crisis." Practically the same photos, with decidedly different commentary.
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Post by Olan on Mar 8, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
Other countries like to pretend as if America is the only country with a marked history of troubled race relations.
Ummm duh her experience is just as she relayed it because anti-blackness is global lovelies!!!
No one harping on how little Americans know about “the firm” has touched on racism in the UK or even stated an argument that racism isn’t the culprit for them upping and leaving the UK.
What a missed opportunity a Black women in the Royal family was. But better for their family that they can walk away from it all and find real community. The type that will house you when your own family withdraws protection and support.
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Post by Olan on Mar 8, 2021 17:43:45 GMT
Offensive? Really? What does what you’ve said have anything to do with someone suggesting you look for an online presence that will give you a different viewpoint. You’ve mentioned not an ounce of racism went into not giving Archie a title but didn’t touch on the shit ton of other accusations of racism and colorism the interview mentioned. What do you think about even the one instance where she describes being asked about the coloring of a child she hadn’t yet given birth to. Listen anyone not acknowledging Meghan being a Black woman contributed to her negative reception should stop lying to themselves. Do note one doesn’t have to be British to have the same knowledge of its inner workings. Pjaye is in Australia and obsessed so you dismissing the idea that the Black community could have an informed opinion about the Meghan and Harry debacle says a lot. Yes, I do find it offensive and insulting when someone from another country tells me to go look on line and benefit from some strangers knowledge about the constitution and governance of my own country. ETA and for the record I haven't watched the whole show so I am not prepared to comment on something that I haven't seen or heard as yet. There have been extract shared on social media regarding Archie's title. It was that and that alone I was commenting on from a constitutional aspect only. What do you think about racism in the UK?
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Post by gabby80 on Mar 8, 2021 17:46:11 GMT
I imagine “The Firm” could also include the network of royal aides, many of whom personally and professionally prioritize image and/or “their” royal - a network not unlike the Vatican Curia: old guard, hierarchal, tradition-bound, conservative, jockeying, class-conscious. I imagine family members might have much more daily contact with/advice from this network than with actual family members. Related: I would not be at all surprised that racism exists within this structure - family members or aides. Why is it so hard to believe people make offensive - if veiled - comments or innuendo? Isn't it also possible that someone wondered out loud "I wonder what color hair he or she will have?" and now it is being interpreted as being a racist comment. Not every curious thought is rooted in racism but you can certainly turn it that way if it benefits you (them)
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Post by Olan on Mar 8, 2021 17:47:35 GMT
I imagine “The Firm” could also include the network of royal aides, many of whom personally and professionally prioritize image and/or “their” royal - a network not unlike the Vatican Curia: old guard, hierarchal, tradition-bound, conservative, jockeying, class-conscious. I imagine family members might have much more daily contact with/advice from this network than with actual family members. Related: I would not be at all surprised that racism exists within this structure - family members or aides. Why is it so hard to believe people make offensive - if veiled - comments or innuendo? Isn't it also possible that someone wondered out loud "I wonder what color hair he or she will have?" and now it is being interpreted as being a racist comment. And her treatment by the media? And it going unchecked?
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Post by beebee on Mar 8, 2021 17:47:59 GMT
I was shocked at the tabloid headlines and racist comments targeting Meghan. I wasn't aware she was being attacked to that degree. Why would the queen or another member of that family not shut that down? It doesn't get more disrespectful than that. These are the same tabloids that were invited to the castle? Did I understand that right? This is where I am at. The press is going to do what the press wants to do, completely racist I might add. But I don't understand why anyone in the family did not respectfully come out to speak against the treatment of H and M. Instead, they invited the press into the palace for a party. It is such a missed opportunity for inclusiveness in the royal family. The family should have embraced it, but instead they let Meghan get pummeled.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 17:49:08 GMT
Also related: I can also imagine that seeking emergency mental health treatment within this structure - or even deciding whether to access the help yourself - would be fraught. Again: image, protocol, tradition, media. How could that not create hesitance, indecision, reluctance? This would be a far different situation than morning sickness. Harry has had mental help in the past though and both he and Prive Eilliam and Kate have been championing mental health and how important is is for someone's well being for the last 5 years and more recently over the last year before H & M left they championed another charity they founded. They were very active in promoting it, all four of them. So the help was there and certainly the contacts.
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