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Post by hop2 on Mar 24, 2021 23:44:35 GMT
I saw the screenshot if Zoey’s response but not the post.
BTW I do not belong to the FB group because I have no desire to deal with certain people there
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 0:14:54 GMT
I see her reply. Again, not racism. Do you think her response is acceptable? 😲 Is it rude? Yes. But she is entitled to respond any way she feels fit. Its not against the law to be rude.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 0:16:46 GMT
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 25, 2021 0:35:19 GMT
For all those who didn’t see the picture~ it was a black card with an embossed background and distress inks and the caption said something to the effect of black is beautiful, at least when combined with distress inks and some other techniques. It was the same poster and similar card as this one: That’s it. ETA ~ making sure to clarify, the above photo is NOT the one buttons posted. It’s the same poster (I only remember because buttons mentioned her earlier in this thread) and a similar card.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 0:53:53 GMT
Yeah, that is not racism. Not by a long shot.
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 25, 2021 1:56:45 GMT
I don't know anything about the history of the OP, or any Tim Holtz hate. And as a digital scrapper I don't use any of his products and have no desire to watch any videos. But I have to say, as someone who lives in a different time zone, it would annoy me if I was missing out on part of a video because I didn't want to get up at 3am to watch it live. That doesn't seem very inclusive.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 25, 2021 2:49:14 GMT
These are the two screenshots posted to flickr Zoe Hillman aka igirlzoe by Buttons Buttons, on Flickr Zoe Hillman aka igirlzoe by Buttons Buttons, on Flickr I took screenshots of them both as well in case the flickr links are broken (but for now I don't think they're worth using up attachment space for). The second one crosses several lines for me. I'm glad I have nothing to do with her Fbk group.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 2:53:34 GMT
Ok, the second one wasn't there when I looked. Honestly, *IF* this is not a doctored email, then yeah. Her response is out of line and inappropriate. But given the bullshit that has been said about this group in the past, only to be proven false later, well....Im not in a hurry to get upset.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 3:07:08 GMT
Ok, the second one wasn't there when I looked. Honestly, *IF* this is not a doctored email, then yeah. Her response is out of line and inappropriate. But given the bullshit that has been said about this group in the past, only to be proven false later, well....Im not in a hurry to get upset. The email response sounds too much like the fake posts that were made on this board months ago by someone posing as Zoe.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 3:16:33 GMT
Ok, the second one wasn't there when I looked. Honestly, *IF* this is not a doctored email, then yeah. Her response is out of line and inappropriate. But given the bullshit that has been said about this group in the past, only to be proven false later, well....Im not in a hurry to get upset. The email response sounds too much like the fake posts that were made on this board months ago by someone posing as Zoe. yep. 🙄
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Post by frenchie on Mar 25, 2021 3:27:56 GMT
The second one says March 25,2021 at 9pm-ish. How can that be?
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Post by AussieMeg on Mar 25, 2021 3:42:25 GMT
The second one says March 25,2021 at 9pm-ish. How can that be? Exactly, it's only about 14:40 in Australia and 16:40 on March 25th in NZ, there's no place in the world where it's already 9pm on 25/3
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Post by mcjunkin on Mar 25, 2021 15:42:34 GMT
The second one says March 25,2021 at 9pm-ish. How can that be? Exactly, it's only about 14:40 in Australia and 16:40 on March 25th in NZ, there's no place in the world where it's already 9pm on 25/3 Oops!!!! Somebody is off their game.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Mar 25, 2021 20:32:36 GMT
For real? This is about black CARDSTOCK. Last time I checked, you can't be racist towards a cardstock's colour.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 25, 2021 20:50:44 GMT
For real? This is about black CARDSTOCK. Last time I checked, you can't be racist towards a cardstock's colour. Oh come on now, don't you remember being outed as a racist in elementary school when you said you didn't like black jellybeans?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 25, 2021 21:19:29 GMT
The second one says March 25,2021 at 9pm-ish. How can that be? Exactly, it's only about 14:40 in Australia and 16:40 on March 25th in NZ, there's no place in the world where it's already 9pm on 25/3 The time travel is strong with this one. Cue the Outlander opening credits music.
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 25, 2021 21:24:14 GMT
The second one says March 25,2021 at 9pm-ish. How can that be? Exactly, it's only about 14:40 in Australia and 16:40 on March 25th in NZ, there's no place in the world where it's already 9pm on 25/3 Funny. Emails from the future is one of the ways Lara was tripped up, isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 21:47:00 GMT
I think it is about time an admin got involved for slander/libel and falsifying electronic documents.
I don't have any great love for TH as a person, frankly I don't know him.
But this has gotten beyond ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 21:47:29 GMT
Exactly, it's only about 14:40 in Australia and 16:40 on March 25th in NZ, there's no place in the world where it's already 9pm on 25/3 Funny. Emails from the future is one of the ways Lara was tripped up, isn’t it? I’ve always thought Buttons was Lara.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 21:48:27 GMT
I think it is about time an admin got involved for slander/libel and falsifying electronic documents. I don't have any great love for TH as a person, frankly I don't know him. But this has gotten beyond ridiculous. I agree. I think Buttons should be banned.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 25, 2021 22:12:20 GMT
From the ProBoards TOS (section 18 'Objectionable content'):
Posting clearly falsified emails (again, the time travel argument, Your Honour) should fall under libel.
Anyhoo, the buttons account is now deleted so it doesn't matter anymore. But I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see it reemerge in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 22:18:20 GMT
From the ProBoards TOS (section 18 'Objectionable content'): Posting clearly falsified emails (again, the time travel argument, Your Honour) should fall under libel. Anyhoo, the buttons account is now deleted so it doesn't matter anymore. But I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see it reemerge in the future. Did Admins or Buttons delete the account?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 25, 2021 22:22:43 GMT
Anyhoo, the buttons account is now deleted so it doesn't matter anymore. But I wouldn't be surprised one bit to see it reemerge in the future. Did Admins or Buttons delete the account? I don't know. It just happened. As I was checking the Flickr image links posted by buttons on page 4, I suddenly noticed the account was gone. admin Was the now deleted @buttons account deleted due to TOS violation or on their own accord if you're at liberty to say?
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Post by JustTricia on Mar 25, 2021 22:52:20 GMT
Good. I am so annoyed at myself for being so invested in this. It’s beyond ridiculous.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 25, 2021 23:02:28 GMT
Good. I am so annoyed at myself for being so invested in this. It’s beyond ridiculous. It's the same story over and over again with buttons. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the first time until it just went bonkers nuts. Every time, buttons walks into the club like they own the place, antipathy for TH blazing hot, and starting crescendo with the claims. They manage to form some superficial connections with a few willing to hear them out on a more vague point. Then they just leap back, start running and throw themselves off the Zeus damn cliff of rationality. Capslock, leaning heavy into the pathos (won't somebody think of the 18h shift nurses?), ironically denouncing alleged performative allyship (for their own revenge purposes), wild claims, no evidence (or false evidence in this latest episode of Buttons vs "Tim Holtz"), exclamation point galore. Buttons then disappears. Eventually emerges again and woof, here we go for another ride on the merry-go-round. It's madness. Don't get sucked in, JustTricia. Not worth it. Buttons will eventually be back and do this all over again.
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Post by amp on Mar 25, 2021 23:32:52 GMT
Good. I am so annoyed at myself for being so invested in this. It’s beyond ridiculous. It's the same story over and over again with buttons. I gave them the benefit of the doubt the first time until it just went bonkers nuts. Every time, buttons walks into the club like they own the place, antipathy for TH blazing hot, and starting crescendo with the claims. They manage to form some superficial connections with a few willing to hear them out on a more vague point. Then they just leap back, start running and throw themselves off the Zeus damn cliff of rationality. Capslock, leaning heavy into the pathos (won't somebody think of the 18h shift nurses?), ironically denouncing alleged performative allyship (for their own revenge purposes), wild claims, no evidence (or false evidence in this latest episode of Buttons vs "Tim Holtz"), exclamation point galore. Buttons then disappears. Eventually emerges again and woof, here we go for another ride on the merry-go-round. It's madness. Don't get sucked in, JustTricia . Not worth it. Buttons will eventually be back and do this all over again. Will it be the same account name or a new one, but easy to pick up on because the intent, etc. will be the same? I'm going to attempt not to read it next time. There is just too much negativity in the world. But likely, curiosity will get the best of me...
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 25, 2021 23:41:59 GMT
Buttons then disappears. Eventually emerges again and woof, here we go for another ride on the merry-go-round. It's madness. Don't get sucked in, JustTricia . Not worth it. Buttons will eventually be back and do this all over again. Will it be the same account name or a new one, but easy to pick up on because the intent, etc. will be the same? I'm going to attempt not to read it next time. There is just too much negativity in the world. But likely, curiosity will get the best of me... Since the account was deleted this time around, it'll need to be a new one. Still, you'll recognise the modus operandi and the object of their obsession. There may be an initial misdirection but it'll be shortlived. You've just got to sit back and let it roll over you like a wave, not worth trying to reason or point out fallacies.
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Post by mom on Mar 25, 2021 23:57:58 GMT
No doubt in my mind buttons deleted it herself after getting caught. Im sure she will be back around...she cant resist stirring shit up and lying.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 26, 2021 0:01:34 GMT
Jenny aka Buttons used to like Tim Holtz. At least she has videos of his product on her blog. Wonder where it all went wrong...
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Post by quinmm14 on Mar 26, 2021 0:17:55 GMT
Well that made my head spin a little.
Ya'll are right, this is getting a bit ridiculous.
I'm also curious if the account was self deleted. It's so crazy to make up false emails, I mean the poster's IP address could be traced back to her if TH or Zoey wanted to take legal action. Right?
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