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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 19, 2021 14:41:56 GMT
She was asked to help work with Central American governments and agencies to address the root causes of migration to the US. Visiting the border may be part of that, but certainly not the exact scope of the work. Asking why she didn't visit the border isn't a meaningful question in that light. When the democrats who live with this crisis at the border are asking her to come and saying why she should come and how it would help, it's a meaningful question being asked by people on both sides. No one is saying it’s not a meaningful question. She’s answered, as well as going to the root cause, and having administration staff making visits and collecting data. Problem is, that those criticizing her just got too used to trump running to make every photo op for his self grandiosity. Answer me this…why is it that people are criticizing and questioning our now Vice President 6 months into the job, when trump visited border cities, took all the snazzy photos and epically failed border security/immigration—issues he hammered on just about daily for 4 years (just like his empty promises for a much much tremendous better healthcare plan)!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 19, 2021 14:44:29 GMT
From Politico…. 3/24/2021. link“Vice President Kamala Harris will be the White House's point person on immigration issues at the nation's southern border, President Joe Biden announced Wednesday, tasking her with stemming the rising tide of migrants, many of them unaccompanied children, arriving in the U.S. "I can think of nobody who is better qualified to do this,” the president told reporters at the White House. Harris’ main focus, a senior administration official told reporters earlier Wednesday, will be two-pronged: working to slow the flow of “irregular migrants” by addressing “the root causes” that prompt them to leave their home countries as well as strengthening relationships with Mexico and the Northern Triangle countries where the bulk of the migrants arriving at the U.S. border come from.
The role puts Harris front-and-center at one of the most politically risky issues for the White House as it struggles with an influx of migrant children at the southern border. Harris acknowledged this, saying there “is no question this is a challenging situation,” but said that she would be looking forward to discussions with the leaders of the nations. On the call with reporters, aides made clear that Harris would not be owning the entire immigration portfolio for the administration and would be instead focused on long-term efforts in Central America.“[Harris] is going to be focused on overseeing our diplomatic efforts, working closely with these nations to look at the issues of migration and their own enforcement on their own borders," the senior administration official said. "More broadly, though, she's going to be working to implement a long-term strategy that gets at the root causes of migration.” As a presidential candidate, Biden proposed spending $4 billion over four years to tackle violence, climate change and government corruption in the Northern Triangle region — comprised of El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. This is the process Harris will oversee.“We can talk all day about the symptoms of the situation, but you really have to get at what is causing this phenomenon, and that will be her focus,” the official said. “We are proceeding both with a sense of decency about treating migrants like human beings and doing the very best we can to care for people and treating our neighbors with respect and dignity.” Harris’ new responsibility is similar to one Biden had while he was vice president. He visited the region several times as more migrants from the three countries began to make their way en masse to the U.S.-Mexico border. Those efforts were seen as largely unsuccessful, and the situation in the countries has grown even more precarious. When asked what the president learned from that effort, Ambassador Roberta Jacobson, a special assistant to the president who previously served as the U.S. envoy to Mexico, said in a press briefing: “Both the President and all of us who worked for him on that learned a great deal. And I think that it’s really important that we put that to use now. One of the things he thinks is so important is being really explicit with leadership in the countries from which migrants are coming about commitments that they need to make, because overcoming the reasons people migrate is not going to be the United States’ job alone.” The administration didn’t share details on when Harris would start conversations with leaders or when the vice president would make a trip to any of the countries. But in an interview with CBS on Wednesday, Harris said she and Biden would be headed to the border soon. “
Let me repeat this from the story… “On the call with reporters, aides made clear that Harris would not be owning the entire immigration portfolio for the administration and would be instead focused on long-term efforts in Central America.”Her responsibility is to get at the “root causes” of the reason people are coming to our southern border. And she did say both her and President Biden will visit the border. Yet the only person getting heat for not visiting the border for a photo op is Vice President Harris and not President Biden. Why is that I wonder? “ Vice President Kamala Harris will be the White House's point person on immigration issues at the nation's southern border, President Joe Biden announced Wednesday, tasking her with stemming the rising tide of migrants, many of them unaccompanied children, arriving in the U.S." You’ve always failed at reading thing in context. Instead you cherry pick words and phrases without the benefit of the complete statement made. Predictably Gia.
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 19, 2021 18:34:56 GMT
When the democrats who live with this crisis at the border are asking her to come and saying why she should come and how it would help, it's a meaningful question being asked by people on both sides.
No one is saying it’s not a meaningful question. She’s answered, as well as going to the root cause, and having administration staff making visits and collecting data. Problem is, that those criticizing her just got too used to trump running to make every photo op for his self grandiosity. Answer me this…why is it that people are criticizing and questioning our now Vice President 6 months into the job, when trump visited border cities, took all the snazzy photos and epically failed border security/immigration—issues he hammered on just about daily for 4 years (just like his empty promises for a much much tremendous better healthcare plan)! This was quoted within the very post of mine that you quoted. Asking why she didn't visit the border isn't a meaningful question in that light. What was it you said of me? Oh yeah... You’ve always failed at reading thing in context.
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Post by Just T on Jun 19, 2021 18:42:40 GMT
What is more important? Harris working to figure out how to actually handle this crisis, while not posing for a meaningless photo op, or someone like our former First Lady traveling to the border for a meaningless photo op wearing a jacket that says on the back, "I really don't care, do U?"
Good grief, the fucking hypocrisy is astounding.
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 19, 2021 18:47:36 GMT
“ Vice President Kamala Harris will be the White House's point person on immigration issues at the nation's southern border, President Joe Biden announced Wednesday, tasking her with stemming the rising tide of migrants, many of them unaccompanied children, arriving in the U.S." You’ve always failed at reading thing in context. Instead you cherry pick words and phrases without the benefit of the complete statement made. Predictably Gia. The entire post was intending to steer me into coming to the same conclusion as she had. The only thing asking something was the question at the bottom. "Her responsibility is to get at the “root causes” of the reason people are coming to our southern border. And she did say both her and President Biden will visit the border. Yet the only person getting heat for not visiting the border for a photo op is Vice President Harris and not President Biden. Why is that I wonder?" Which I answered. In the only possible way *I* could. With what I thought the reason was. That is not cherry picking just because I didn't come to the conclusion you wanted me to. Again, it without a doubt, looks like you're the one who failed at reading things in context. Not me.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 19, 2021 18:54:27 GMT
OMG you are absolutely right! WTF does Europe have to do with the southern border, and what kind of moron would even bring it up (Ill give you a hint--there's a reason the OP said that).
And the bolded--ummmmm, okay. LOL
So, you’re good with Harris not being given the same respect as her male counterparts. Noted. I don't think it is disrespectful to refer to her as Kamala or VP, I'm not a fan of calling her Harris, but that is because I work with one and she's a moron. You can't just say Mike or Joe because they don't invoke a specific person. If someone said Barack, I'd totally know who they were talking about.
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 19, 2021 19:19:33 GMT
What is more important? Harris working to figure out how to actually handle this crisis, while not posing for a meaningless photo op, or someone like our former First Lady traveling to the border for a meaningless photo op wearing a jacket that says on the back, "I really don't care, do U?" Good grief, the fucking hypocrisy is astounding. Yes on both sides. Trashing Bush for not going to the crisis while while defending Biden or Harris for not going to the crisis. After 5 or 6 years of calling Trump every actual disrespectful thing under the sun, now whining that calling Kamala by her given name being disrespectful. Astounding.
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Post by marmargirl on Jun 19, 2021 19:30:07 GMT
What is more important? Harris working to figure out how to actually handle this crisis, while not posing for a meaningless photo op, or someone like our former First Lady traveling to the border for a meaningless photo op wearing a jacket that says on the back, "I really don't care, do U?" Good grief, the fucking hypocrisy is astounding. Yes on both sides. Trashing Bush for not going to the crisis while while defending Biden or Harris for not going to the crisis. After 5 or 6 years of calling Trump every actual disrespectful thing under the sun, now whining that calling Kamala by her given name being disrespectful. Astounding. But Trump has shown himself to be a horrible human being, not just a horrible president. Calling him names, while maybe not the most mature thing, is certainly not unwarranted.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 19, 2021 19:41:38 GMT
I hope you get to see the photo op you're looking for and that it provides you some piece of mind regarding whatever you are so afraid of at the US/Mexico border. In general, I think addressing the things that threaten us is better done through actual policy changes but ymmv. I'll stick to the topic of the thread and not the bash fox news bs you diverted attention to. Small child ren being abandoned in the desert by the coyotes, toddlers being dropped over the wall. People now owing what? to the cartels and coyotes. They come in with wrist bands identifying which cartel/coyote/human trafficker they "belong" to? Me: The parents of this kids are paying these folks to bring their kids and “drop” them off at the border.
All those kids in cages that were being used as a political weapon? Me: actually no, the kids are not kept in cages. They are processed and moved to other locations. The Biden Administration, while at first were overwhelmed with these kids have gotten the process down to two-three days before they are moved. Guess what? there are still hundreds of kids in cages. Only now, they have built more of them and they are at capacity and overflowing. They hid them when they let representatives tour the new facilities in order to "be transparent", but it took a Democrat whistle blower to point out that they moved the kids and were hiding just how many kids were there. And still in "cages". Smuggling drugs such as Fentanyl is up 800% according to the Texas Department of Public Safety. Me: The vast majority of drugs are smuggled in through legal checkpoints, via tunnels, & by sea.If she wants to address the "root cause" she only needs to look at Biden's reversal of the remain in Mexico policy, Biden's suspension of the safe third country agreement that required them to apply for asylum in the first country they entered, Biden putting a moratorium on deportations, Biden lifting the emergency declaration. Me: That reversal was to get the folks out of terrible living conditions, something former didn’t care about. Actually the Biden Administration is deporting folks under article 42. Quit a few actually.
Her own tweet "Say it loud, say it clear, everyone is welcome here. #NoBanNoWall" Every single democrat candidate agreed to decriminalize coming across the border illegally and to hand out healthcare to those that come. Me: oh bullshit. That’s not true.So the people in office now, in essence said come here and we'll cover you. Now they scratch their head and play dumb as to what the "root cause" is? Kamala is playing dumb a lot these days. Event the president of Guatemala who she went to see to determine the "root cause" says it's Biden's policies. He said they started seeking asylum in record numbers on Jan 20. Me: For giggles sake I asked my friend google if the President of Guatemala said what you’re claiming. Couldn’t find it. So if you have a link….Definition of “root” (non plant related) - “The basic cause , source, or origin of something”. Contrary to what you are pushing, finding the root cause won’t be found at the southern border but at the point of origin. Which happens to be the countries these folks are leaving from. Seeking asylum is legal. While some still try and enter the country illegally the vast majority are doing it by seeking asylum. The reality is this country can’t let in everyone who comes knocking at our door. The only people who don’t believe that are the activists. And that is definitely not everyone who calls themselves Democrats. The trick is finding the right balance. Both the Obama and Biden Administrations feel the answer is addressing the “root causes”. Unfortunately they are dealing with semi corrupt or full on corrupt governments south of the border. Who like the Republicans in this country don’t care a jig about poor people. Will they be successful? Who knows but in the meantime The Biden Administration , unlike the previous guy, will not treat those who are given are court date for seeking asylum as garbage to be tossed aside as they wait. Immigration is a complex issue which means there are no easy answers or solutions. But one thing for sure whether or not Vice President Harris goes to the border for a photo op, nothing is going to change. Well other than Fox News finding another non issue to exploit. Her real work is south of the border.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 19, 2021 19:50:23 GMT
From the CBP aka Customs & Border Protection. June 9, 2021… linkU.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) today released operational statistics for May 2021, which can be viewed here. CBP Enforcement NumbersIn May 2021, CBP encountered 180,034 persons attempting entry along the Southwest Border. This total represented a 1 percent increase over April 2021. Single adults continue to make up the majority of these encounters. In May 2021, CBP expelled 112,302 individuals under Title 42. CBP continues to expel single adults and family units that are encountered pursuant to CDC guidance under Title 42 authority. 62 percent of all May encounters resulted in a Title 42 expulsion. Encounters along the Southwest Border of unaccompanied children and single minors from Northern Triangle countries dropped again this month by 23 percent, with 10,765 encounters in May 2021 compared with 13,940 in April 2021. Encounters of family units from Northern Triangle countries also dropped again, decreasing by 31 percent to 22,630 in May 2021, down from 32,674 in April. The large number of expulsions during the pandemic has contributed to a larger-than-usual number of noncitizens making multiple border crossing attempts, and means total encounters somewhat overstate the number of unique individuals arriving at the border. Thirty-eight percent of encounters in May 2021 were individuals who had at least one prior encounter in the previous 12 months, compared to an average one-year re-encounter rate of 15 percent for Fiscal Years 2014-2019. CBP enforcement numbers for May 2021 can be found here. Life-saving RescuesSmuggling organizations are abandoning migrants in remote and dangerous areas, leading to a dramatic rise in the number of rescues CBP performs. In May 2021, CBP conducted 7,084 rescues nationwide, and CBP has rescued 35 percent more individuals in Fiscal Year 2021 than all of Fiscal Year 2020. Migrant Protection ProtocolsOn January 20, 2021, the Department of Homeland Security suspended new enrollments into the Migrant Protection Protocols (MPP) program, which returned certain noncitizens to Mexico pending removal proceedings before an immigration judge under Section 240 of the Immigration and Naturalization Act. Shortly thereafter, President Biden issued EO 14010 directing the secretary to "consider a phased strategy for the safe and orderly entry into the United States, consistent with public health and safety and capacity constraints, of those individuals who have been subjected to MPP for further processing of their asylum claims," and to review MPP and determine whether to modify or terminate the program. On February 19, 2021, CBP began processing into the United States those individuals previously enrolled in MPP who had pending immigration court proceedings. Over the last several months, DHS has worked with interagency partners to establish such a process and has permitted more than 11,000 individuals enrolled in MPP with cases pending before EOIR to enter the country. And on June 1, 2021, after completing the review, Secretary Mayorkas formally terminated the program. Unaccompanied Children in CustodyThe average daily number of children in CBP custody has decreased significantly to 640 in May 2021 from 2,895 in April 2021. In April, unaccompanied children spent an average of 92 hours in CBP custody. In May, unaccompanied children held in CBP facilities spent an average of 26 hours.This sustained progress is a result of the steps DHS took to reengineer processes and mobilize personnel Department-wide, including designating FEMA to lead a whole of government effort to assist the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) with establishing temporary facilities that provide a safe, sanitary, and secure environment for unaccompanied children as well as detailing to HHS more than 350 officers from U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to more efficiently and effectively verify claimed sponsors to support the reunification process. Drug SeizuresCBP officers, Border Patrol agents, and Air and Marine Operations agents continue to interdict the flow of illicit narcotics across the border. Nationwide, drug seizures were up 18 percent in May from April 2021. Cocaine interceptions decreased 18 percent. Seizures of methamphetamine increased 53 percent. Seizures of heroin increased 7 percent and seizures of fentanyl increased 9 percent. CBP continues to see a surge in fentanyl seizures. Seizures in Fiscal Year 2021 through May are 56 percent higher than all of Fiscal Year 2020. Additional CBP drug seizure statistics can be found here. CBP COVID-19 ResponseThe safety of our workforce, our communities, and individuals in our care is a top priority. CBP personnel put themselves and their families at risk with every encounter at the border. Since the start of the pandemic, more than 8,800 CBP employees have tested positive for COVID-19, and 32 have passed away. CBP is continuing to explore possible adjustments to workforce posture and health protocols based on widespread vaccine access and easing public health metrics. TradeCBP continues to aggressively investigate and prevent goods made by forced labor from entering the U.S. commerce. Forced labor is a form of modern-day slavery that violates international labor standards and universal human rights. Foreign companies use forced labor to produce goods at lower costs, which hurts law-abiding businesses in the United States. Since the beginning of Fiscal Year 2021, CBP has: Published two forced labor findings that instruct U.S. ports of entry to immediately seize certain disposable glove and stevia imports. Issued five Withhold Release Orders that instruct U.S. ports of entry to detain certain cotton products, tomato products, palm oil, tuna, and other seafood produced using forced labor. Targeted 1,255 shipments arriving in the United States that contained more than $765 million of goods suspected to be made by forced labor. Detained almost $84 million of goods suspected of being made by forced labor in the 623 shipments that applied for entry and deterred the remainder of the targeted shipments from entering the United States. The United States will not tolerate forced labor in our supply chains and will always stand up against cruel and inhumane labor practices.
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Post by Just T on Jun 19, 2021 19:55:04 GMT
What is more important? Harris working to figure out how to actually handle this crisis, while not posing for a meaningless photo op, or someone like our former First Lady traveling to the border for a meaningless photo op wearing a jacket that says on the back, "I really don't care, do U?" Good grief, the fucking hypocrisy is astounding. Yes on both sides. Trashing Bush for not going to the crisis while while defending Biden or Harris for not going to the crisis. After 5 or 6 years of calling Trump every actual disrespectful thing under the sun, now whining that calling Kamala by her given name being disrespectful. Astounding. Well, I never once trashed Bush for not going to the crisis. I am also not whining that calling her Kamala is disrespectful. I also think that anyone going to the border, just to pose for a stupid photo is stupid. Problems can be worked on without actually visiting the border and posing for pics. I also think it was sooooo disrespectful for Melania to go there wearing that ridiculous jacket. I would never have criticized her for not going, if she didn't go, but that was beyond disrespectful. That you don't see that says a lot.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 19, 2021 20:04:03 GMT
US News - March 16, 2022. link“ Biden Administration Acknowledges ‘Especially Difficult’ Challenge at the Border”From the article…. “And the Trump administration shoulders much of the blame, Mayorkas said. The prior administration completely dismantled the asylum system. The system was gutted, facilities were closed, and they cruelly expelled young children into the hands of traffickers. We have had to rebuild the entire system, including the policies and procedures required to administer the asylum laws that Congress passed long ago," Mayorkas said. The Trump administration also cut funding to the Northern Triangle countries of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala, Mayorkas noted. And "there was no appropriate planning for the pandemic at all." Border agents a year ago began expelling migrants immediately at the border under a public health order issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention at the request of the Trump administration, turning them back to Mexico without arresting and processing them as normal. Biden has kept that order in place but announced early last month that his administration would stop turning away minors caught crossing the border by themselves. Border agents are currently expelling most single adults and families but processing unaccompanied minors as they are required to do by law. As crossings by minors and families jump, the CDC order has led to significant recidivism among single adults crossing the border, leading to a dramatic increase in overall encounters by border agents. "We are on pace to encounter more individuals on the southwest border than we have in the last 20 years," Mayorkas said in the statement. Thousands of migrant children are currently being held in border facilities well past the three-day legal limit. Border facilities are not designed to hold children and border agents are not trained to deal with minors. Minors are transferred from border facilities to shelters run by the Department of Health and Human Service's Office of Refugee Resettlement, where they stay until the government can find a vet sponsor to take responsibility for them – typically a family member or parent already in the U.S.” As a reminder, the June 9 CDC report says they are making progress in cutting down the time the kids stay in their custody.
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Post by spottiedottie on Jun 19, 2021 22:17:18 GMT
Every single democrat candidate agreed to decriminalize coming across the border illegally and to hand out healthcare to those that come. Me: oh bullshit. That’s not true.So the people in office now, in essence said come here and we'll cover you. Now they scratch their head and play dumb as to what the "root cause" is? Kamala is playing dumb a lot these days. No, it's not BS. Yes, it is true. June 27, 2019.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 19, 2021 23:00:48 GMT
No, it's not BS. Yes, it is true. June 27, 2019. “ Every single democrat candidate agreed to decriminalize coming across the border illegally ” The video says nothing about this. And that was what my response was to. If you have a video showing they said that, please share and I will acknowledge it. But I will disagree with them. Coming across the border illegally is just that illegally. They have a legal option of seeking asylum. As to giving healthcare to undocumented folks, I believe CA already does that. And I don’t have a problem with it. Without it if they get sick they go emergency rooms who can’t turn them away. Or they aren’t suppose to. Often they won’t be able to pay for their care which means one way or another the rest of us do. So it makes sound financial sense to make sure they have healthcare insurance and be able to go to the doctor for the little things before they turn into the big things.
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Post by java on Jun 20, 2021 0:19:11 GMT
I respectfully disagree. It would be one thing if there was some other well known “Harris” that she could be confused with, but there’s not. Even if her first name is unique, I feel it is still disrespectful to address her in such a familiar way when any other high ranking politician (especially if they’re male) would normally be addressed by their title and last name. Fair enough. I've known her as Kamala since she held office in CA. I will try because the office deserves that respect, you are right. Is this respect for office a new concept? Or were the various names used to refer to the past administration to be thought of as "respectful". I don't care what side of the political aisle you are on; but the double standard needs to go. And personal attacks on those that post are not an acceptable way of having a "respectful" conversation. It is not up to any of us to decide what the motivation for one's post is. And for those that decide to personally attack me in lieu of any type of adult conversation; do your homework first and check what my typical post content is or is not.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 20, 2021 3:10:44 GMT
oh, I fully accept and acknowledge that the times I would refer to Donald Trump as "Donnie," Mitch McConnell as 'the turtle' et. al. were totally a disrespect thing. But I didn't do it very often (with DT, I avoided saying or writing his name as much as possible)... so there is no double standard from me as it pertains to VP Harris. However, I do still see it more as a sexist thing done more by men to women (so to speak), than by men to other men.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 20, 2021 3:59:14 GMT
Fair enough. I've known her as Kamala since she held office in CA. I will try because the office deserves that respect, you are right. It is not up to any of us to decide what the motivation for one's post is. It actually is up to each us to decide that. I don’t engage with people who have a history of making bad faith posts. That’s entirely my decision to make.
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Post by purplebee on Jun 20, 2021 4:17:43 GMT
Fair enough. I've known her as Kamala since she held office in CA. I will try because the office deserves that respect, you are right. Is this respect for office a new concept? Or were the various names used to refer to the past administration to be thought of as "respectful". I don't care what side of the political aisle you are on; but the double standard needs to go. And personal attacks on those that post are not an acceptable way of having a "respectful" conversation. It is not up to any of us to decide what the motivation for one's post is. And for those that decide to personally attack me in lieu of any type of adult conversation; do your homework first and check what my typical post content is or is not. You are missing the point that as a miserable excuse for a human being, trump did not deserve respect. He repeatedly proved that fact by his actions, his tweets, his ridicule of anyone who did not worship at his feet. The office may have deserved respect, the man holding that office proved to be completely unworthy of that respect. He was and still is a complete and utter self-serving jackass.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 20, 2021 4:24:51 GMT
oh, I fully accept and acknowledge that the times I would refer to Donald Trump as "Donnie," Mitch McConnell as 'the turtle' et. al. were totally a disrespect thing. But I didn't do it very often (with DT, I avoided saying or writing his name as much as possible)... so there is no double standard from me as it pertains to VP Harris. However, I do still see it more as a sexist thing done more by men to women (so to speak), than by men to other men. Scootch over a bit and make room, I’m right on that bench with you. I have no respect for Trump because he has shown no respect for anyone.
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Post by Merge on Jun 20, 2021 11:41:57 GMT
No, it's not BS. Yes, it is true. June 27, 2019. You have to stop taking out of context Trump campaign ads as gospel truth. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/01/donald-trump/fact-checking-trump-ad-democrats-health-care-immig/Honestly, though, I think anyone who is here doing a job that most Americans don’t want to do deserves access to health care. I just find it so ridiculous that the right is like, this is the greatest country in the world! The best! The most free! And then they’re also like, omg, stop making people want to come here. Most of us are descendants of people who came here looking for more freedom and opportunity. Now, because the blessings of civilization mean that opportunity comes with access to education and healthcare, well, sorry, the doors are closed. And don’t give me bullshit about how they could come here legally. The path to legal immigration for a poor person from south of our border is so onerous that it’s effectively impossible.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 20, 2021 13:54:48 GMT
oh, I fully accept and acknowledge that the times I would refer to Donald Trump as "Donnie," Mitch McConnell as 'the turtle' et. al. were totally a disrespect thing. But I didn't do it very often (with DT, I avoided saying or writing his name as much as possible)... so there is no double standard from me as it pertains to VP Harris. However, I do still see it more as a sexist thing done more by men to women (so to speak), than by men to other men. Mayor Pete, Bernie, and Jeb are all pretty commonly referred to by their first names - I really do think there's context that's important. Mayor Pete has a difficult to pronounce and spell last name - had to add the Mayor as Pete is too common. Even though he's no longer a mayor, I still hear many people who are big fans refer to him in that manner, with no disrespect intended. Jeb obviously has same issue as Hillary, they're either going to be referred to by their full name or first, to avoid confusion - or title when that was relevant. I'm not sure why so many refer to Bernie by his first name - I guess cause it's a fun name?? As I said earlier, I think it's pretty easy to see when people are doing it to disparage the vice president, but it's not a universal dig imo.
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 20, 2021 15:10:39 GMT
Just exactly how do you think her going to the border is going to “stem the rising tide”? Democrat Representative Henry Cuellar “We don’t just go visit the border, we live at the border. We talk to the NGOs there, we talk to the mayors, the county judges, to the border patrol, to the men and women in blue, green, and other folks, ICE agents also. We understand this very well.” “I still will encourage them to do more, to reach out to the folks on the border communities and keep talking to them, to make sure that they get a balanced view of what’s happening there at the border itself.” She and others know she should be making the effort to be there and see first hand what is happening there and hear from the people living it, knowing they more than likely have productive solutions. That's why she tried to brush it off with the statement that she has been to the border. The article is clear, her task is to get at and try and solve the “root causes “ for people leaving their country and trying to get into ours. If she wants to address the "root cause" she only needs to look at Biden's reversal of the remain in Mexico policy, Biden's suspension of the safe third country agreement that required them to apply for asylum in the first country they entered, Biden putting a moratorium on deportations, Biden lifting the emergency declaration. Her own tweet "Say it loud, say it clear, everyone is welcome here. #NoBanNoWall" Every single democrat candidate agreed to decriminalize coming across the border illegally and to hand out healthcare to those that come. Event the president of Guatemala who she went to see to determine the "root cause" says it's Biden's policies. He said they started seeking asylum in record numbers on Jan 20.[ ] This just illustrates how completely ignorant you are to the existing conditions in Central America and the history of US involvement in the politics of Central America — including financing and planning the over throw of democratically elected governments because they are too far “left”.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 20, 2021 15:23:59 GMT
No one is saying it’s not a meaningful question. She’s answered, as well as going to the root cause, and having administration staff making visits and collecting data. Problem is, that those criticizing her just got too used to trump running to make every photo op for his self grandiosity. Answer me this…why is it that people are criticizing and questioning our now Vice President 6 months into the job, when trump visited border cities, took all the snazzy photos and epically failed border security/immigration—issues he hammered on just about daily for 4 years (just like his empty promises for a much much tremendous better healthcare plan)! This was quoted within the very post of mine that you quoted. Asking why she didn't visit the border isn't a meaningful question in that light. What was it you said of me? Oh yeah... You’ve always failed at reading thing in context. Again context. Plus, you’re responding to something I didn’t comment/quote to you and you know it. Another Gia tactic—move the goal posts. I commented on your cherry picking through only part of what you were trying to hammer home on “one last times” post. But you knew that and did your usual semantics/wordsplay/move the goal posts. You’re just dishonest when it comes to this.you know you’re wrong so you deflect your something not even being quoted. Disingenuous at best.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 20, 2021 15:28:25 GMT
You’ve always failed at reading thing in context. Instead you cherry pick words and phrases without the benefit of the complete statement made. Predictably Gia. The entire post was intending to steer me into coming to the same conclusion as she had. The only thing asking something was the question at the bottom. "Her responsibility is to get at the “root causes” of the reason people are coming to our southern border. And she did say both her and President Biden will visit the border. Yet the only person getting heat for not visiting the border for a photo op is Vice President Harris and not President Biden. Why is that I wonder?" Which I answered. In the only possible way *I* could. With what I thought the reason was. That is not cherry picking just because I didn't come to the conclusion you wanted me to. Again, it without a doubt, looks like you're the one who failed at reading things in context. Not me. Sorry sweetheart but nope. You’re pulling the same crap you always do. If you’re wrong you work yourself into a smoke and mirror deflection twisting and turning to try to keep your point. My comment was clear—you only chose to use PART of what was said to try yo make your point without including the other part of what was said in the same conversation. You’re disingenuous. More often than not.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Jun 20, 2021 17:02:35 GMT
oh, I fully accept and acknowledge that the times I would refer to Donald Trump as "Donnie," Mitch McConnell as 'the turtle' et. al. were totally a disrespect thing. But I didn't do it very often (with DT, I avoided saying or writing his name as much as possible)... so there is no double standard from me as it pertains to VP Harris. However, I do still see it more as a sexist thing done more by men to women (so to speak), than by men to other men. Scootch over a bit and make room, I’m right on that bench with you. I have no respect for Trump because he has shown no respect for anyone. I am getting close to 60 years old. I have been voting since Reagan was president, and there have been a lot of presidents I have not liked. Even ones I voted for that I ended up not liking. But, I have never not respected them, or the office of POTUS. Even though I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, I honestly thought to myself, "How bad can he be? We have checks and balances, and I will give him a chance." Then, we got the shit show that we got. A president who on the daily, made fun of people, called them names, said on press conferences who he did or didn't like. And tweeting nasty things constantly. He is a bully. I am sure we have had bullies as president before, but this is the first one in my lifetime that I remember acting the way Trump acted. It may surprise people to know that I did not vote for Obama and was not a fan. BUT...had he done a tiny fraction of the shit Trump got away with...he would have been tarred and feathered and lynched. It was really hard to respect Trump as president. Biden and Harris are on a whole different level in a whole other galaxy. Am I a fan of all Biden is doing? NO!!! But he doesn't bully people. I have never heard him or Harris call anyone names. To me, that is the difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 20:11:04 GMT
To paraphrase John Lennon: The [respect] you take is equal to the [respect] you make. Former deserves no respect. He is an insult to the Office of the President. He is just a disgusting human and worthy only of the respect he gives to others….which is none. ———————
I think I saved this from NSBR last year.
Voting is not about checking a box next to “Perfect.” It is asking and answering: “Which candidate, who we will still have to challenge on some issues, gives us the best opportunity to be on the path to a more just, humane, peaceful world?”
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jayfab
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Post by jayfab on Jun 20, 2021 22:20:07 GMT
What is more important? Harris working to figure out how to actually handle this crisis, while not posing for a meaningless photo op, or someone like our former First Lady traveling to the border for a meaningless photo op wearing a jacket that says on the back, "I really don't care, do U?" Good grief, the fucking hypocrisy is astounding. THIS!
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 22, 2021 4:38:49 GMT
My guess both Fox News and Republicans in Congress will go bonkers when they see this and go and on and on about her not going to the border for a photo op.
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Post by onelasttime on Jun 23, 2021 17:23:56 GMT
So Kamala Harris is going to the southern border which some have been screaming about, mainly Fox News..
Their response to her going?
This is exactly why one should ignore the whiny other side. Nothing she does or President Biden does will ever be good enough for these folks.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 23, 2021 18:15:36 GMT
She is going to El Paso ... Rude rude Cruz... She is not Kamala to you! She is Vice President Harris!!
Former and his hoard of sitting US Representatives are going to Texas next week too. All to support Abbott and 'his' wall. That is Abbott's wall.
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