crm1367
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Post by crm1367 on Jul 8, 2021 15:57:01 GMT
the mention of door-to-door proselytizing comes to mind, again... as well as door-to-door solar system salesmen, people selling security systems, etc. Somehow I doubt these people would be so verbally rabid about what they'd do if it was Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons on bicycles, though. Totally! They would be welcomed with open arms for sure!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 8, 2021 16:02:35 GMT
And this is just another reason I love California. Uber and Lyft offered free rides to and from vaccine clinics. Then my county offered rides which they offered accessible vans for those with disabilities. Then my county offered in home vaccines. Other counties have done this as well. We are doing what ever it takes to get vaccines in the arms of people. IRC and other Regional Centers did drive thru clinics of J&J for their clients and IDD/Disabled community members. Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
For me, it would depend on the approach of the person coming to my door as well as the purpose. If the person was friendly, helpful, and there to answer any questions and give me the vaccine if I wanted, I would be open to it. If the person was there to be rude, argumentative, nosy or seemed to just be gathering info about who was vaccinated and who wasn't, that would be a different story. I think going door to door could help those people who just haven't gotten around to it, or those without transportation.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 8, 2021 16:10:59 GMT
I wish Biden would just tell those fuckers no. I am so over stupid. Let them die. We need a good culling of this ignorant herd. The only problem with that is a lot of innocent kids and people with health problems will die along with the stupid.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 16:13:27 GMT
Door to door efforts have been underway in Houston since early in the vaccination process, precisely to reach people who lacked transportation or were afraid to go out in a public place due to serious health issues. Zero pushback from any Republican in the state on this until Biden suggested it.
I don’t get the “they’ll know if you’re vaccinated or not” thing. If you don’t want them to know, lie and tell them you are. Same thing you do if they come around wanting to register you to vote or anything else.
It really just seems to be refusing vaccination efforts to “own the libs.” Never have I seen a group of people so determined to cut off their noses to spite their own faces.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 16:16:16 GMT
I have not heard anyone even suggest compelling vaccinations in the private sector, particularly by the Biden administration. They seem not to understand the difference between educating/offering and compelling. Same as the “CRT” opponents who see any presentation of a viewpoint they disagree with, among other competing vjewpoints, as “brainwashing” or “pushing an agenda” in the public schools.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 8, 2021 16:16:22 GMT
Yeah probably pretty close. I may be slightly younger/older? I’m 47. I actually looked in that thing i posted and it was started in 70-71 which is much earlier than I remember, I got mine mid 80s. They had a short class before where they explained why we were getting it, and any reactions to look out for, then we all got them pretty much the same way as you did, assembly line style. 😂 Oh, you are much younger. I was in the 70-71 ‘generation’ of rubella vaccination, 😂 I didn’t want to assume your age. Yes, I’m thinking we were the ‘first’ in my high school to get it at school, hence the big deal made about being the first. Two years above me was the founding student year. My high school was founded in the 80s. The problem with school programs back then was the record keeping, they’re almost impossible to find from that era. Now it’s much better and tied to your Medicare number. I ran into that issue when I moved here and couldn’t find concrete records of vaccines my mum knew I’d had. I had to have them all again, in order to enter the US.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 16:18:35 GMT
Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
For me, it would depend on the approach of the person coming to my door as well as the purpose. If the person was friendly, helpful, and there to answer any questions and give me the vaccine if I wanted, I would be open to it. If the person was there to be rude, argumentative, nosy or seemed to just be gathering info about who was vaccinated and who wasn't, that would be a different story. I think going door to door could help those people who just haven't gotten around to it, or those without transportation. And in a city like mine, recruiting people who speak the language of those being visited would be huge. It’s not just Spanish/English here. We have over 100 languages spoken in Houston. I’m sure there are people who are concerned because they can’t get questions answered in their first language.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 16:20:23 GMT
I live in California. Did I say it was unique to my state? NO. I said this is just another reason why I love Ca. Don't assume I don't know other states do this or it is unique to my state. At least my state gives an F unlike Texas. It came across that way.
How does Texas fit into this?
I’m guessing it fits in that California’s elected officials are not scare mongering about a door to door effort. No, it would be my home state leading that charge.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 8, 2021 16:21:36 GMT
And this is just another reason I love California. Uber and Lyft offered free rides to and from vaccine clinics. Then my county offered rides which they offered accessible vans for those with disabilities. Then my county offered in home vaccines. Other counties have done this as well. We are doing what ever it takes to get vaccines in the arms of people. IRC and other Regional Centers did drive thru clinics of J&J for their clients and IDD/Disabled community members. Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
Access might be available in your state if you have a car. That doesn’t mean that it’s universally true across all states. One of the states, Mississippi, I think, with lower vaccination rates has 4 counties that have no vaccination clinics. Or maybe, clinics are only open when someone has to work. Both Republican and Democratic Administrations do send people knocking - census workers. Sending government workers door to door to offer information or even vaccines, if wanted, is not something for anyone to lose their damn mind over. And, at the same time, I don’t see any Republicans offering useful suggestions or ideas for how to get people vaccinated. It’s all about obstructing or blocking the current administration. It’s not surprising that all of the states that voted for Trump and Georgia have the lowest vaccination rates. Their fearless leader got stabbed in secret.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jul 8, 2021 16:21:43 GMT
And this is just another reason I love California. Uber and Lyft offered free rides to and from vaccine clinics. Then my county offered rides which they offered accessible vans for those with disabilities. Then my county offered in home vaccines. Other counties have done this as well. We are doing what ever it takes to get vaccines in the arms of people. IRC and other Regional Centers did drive thru clinics of J&J for their clients and IDD/Disabled community members. Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
God, I get so sick of your stupidity.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 16:22:42 GMT
They've done that in some parts of the UK where the infection rates is very high and the uptake of the vaccine is low. It was a mixture of local councillors ( representative of the local council authorities) local religious leaders in particular the Asian community, local Black community representative and even local family doctors. It wasn't done on the instructions of the government but by them coming together at a local level on their own initiative to assist in answering any questions and to correct the mis-information being shared within those communities and to give them confidence in the vaccines. These representatives have worked very hard covering their communities and their peers. It worked in many areas, the Asian uptake increased dramatically. The black community is increasing but not as quick as one would hope but they are getting there. Most of the ones that need re assurance are in the older age groups and it's imperative that they speak to someone they trust. It's about protecting everyone in their community doesn't matter what religion, colour or political belief they are it's about their health.
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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jul 8, 2021 16:22:50 GMT
If I wasn't vaccinated, I would have made an intentional decision at this point. I have had the opportunity with no wait and for free for months. The number of people out there who don't know about the vaccination and its availability have to be minimal - you have to be living under a rock not to. Going door to door is a heavy handed tactic that I would expect very little return from, so I would object to much money being spent that way. It also isn't always safe for the person going door to door.
A better use of government money would be to:
A) Get full FDA approval. That's the biggest argument I still hear. There is a group of people who won't ever get the vaccine under "emergency authorization." The FDA and Congress can work together to make a new full approval path if they need to.
B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. ETA: Having spent time in those areas, in general, they don't trust a stranger's word over their next door neighbor.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Jul 8, 2021 16:24:20 GMT
I don't want anyone knocking on my door from the government. Thanks very much. But I would not be happy to see them either.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2021 16:24:20 GMT
Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
Access might be available in your state if you have a car. That doesn’t mean that it’s universally true across all states. One of the states, Mississippi, I think, with lower vaccination rates has 4 counties that have no vaccination clinics. Or maybe, clinics are only open when someone has to work. Both Republican and Democratic Administrations do send people knocking - census workers. Sending government workers door to door to offer information or even vaccines, if wanted, is not something for anyone to lose their damn mind over. My city and county did evening into night clinics AND 24 hour clinics at a hospital.
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Post by sunshine on Jul 8, 2021 16:28:22 GMT
Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
God, I get so sick of your stupidity. Oh, believe me when I tell you the feeling is mutual.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 8, 2021 16:28:31 GMT
B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. it doesn't GET any more 'targeted' than going door to door!! And no one is saying that 'education' isn't part of what the idea is FOR, for Christ's sake!! I can't imagine people are knocking on the door, and when someone opens it, they say 'hold out your arm, or else!' I'm 99.5% certain that the conversation would START with some education, asking if they know about the vaccine, know where they could get it, ask if they have any problems with access or want more information about the vaccine safety, etc., and IF SO, suggestions for how to overcome those issues. What is the big, f'ing, hairy deal with this idea of people going to individual houses? And BTW, the counties in MO with lower vaccination rates ARE the more rural counties. NEWS FLASH: NOT EVERYONE EVERYWHERE HAS ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION, OR CAN LEAVE THEIR HOUSE FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER WHENEVER THEY WANT TO. Someone works nights, because the other spouse works days? Can't exactly go traipsing off to the Walgreens (which might take 3 bus rides and an hour one-way to get to) in your off hours if you have to watch the baby or the four other kids, or stay home with the elderly grandmother, parent, sick spouse, etc. etc. etc. GOD, I GET SO SICK OF THIS ATTITUDE!!! NOT EVERYONE LEADS THE CHARMED LIVES THAT ALL OF US HERE APPARENTLY DO.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 8, 2021 16:33:58 GMT
If I wasn't vaccinated, I would have made an intentional decision at this point. I have had the opportunity with no wait and for free for months. The number of people out there who don't know about the vaccination and its availability have to be minimal - you have to be living under a rock not to. Going door to door is a heavy handed tactic that I would expect very little return from, so I would object to much money being spent that way. It also isn't always safe for the person going door to door. A better use of government money would be to: A) Get full FDA approval. That's the biggest argument I still hear. There is a group of people who won't ever get the vaccine under "emergency authorization." The FDA and Congress can work together to make a new full approval path if they need to. B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. ETA: Having spent time in those areas, in general, they don't trust a stranger's word over their next door neighbor. Full FDA approval is expected in September. Rushing the process or creating a new approval path will not reassure anyone who’s already hesitant. There are some people, especially young adults willing to get the vaccine if it’s easy for them. They’re not going to go out of their way to get it, but are willing if someone brings it to them, basically. Some restaurants offered vaccination clinics. More primary care offices need to have them available. My husband who is a nurse practitioner has patients asking almost every day if they have them (they don’t). He also has long conversations with at least 1 or 2 patients every day who are unwilling to get it. Some of them he is able to convince. I think when the vaccine becomes available to younger children, there will be hesitancy among parents.
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Post by oliquig on Jul 8, 2021 16:40:05 GMT
And this is just another reason I love California. Uber and Lyft offered free rides to and from vaccine clinics. Then my county offered rides which they offered accessible vans for those with disabilities. Then my county offered in home vaccines. Other counties have done this as well. We are doing what ever it takes to get vaccines in the arms of people. IRC and other Regional Centers did drive thru clinics of J&J for their clients and IDD/Disabled community members. Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
Um, no. Considering the majority of people who are not Trump supporters WANT people who can to get the vaccine.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 8, 2021 16:48:42 GMT
I wish Biden would just tell those fuckers no. I am so over stupid. Let them die. We need a good culling of this ignorant herd. The only problem with that is a lot of innocent kids and people with health problems will die along with the stupid. Yeah, my sympathies are also with the folks and kids who can’t get vaccinated. At this point, if you are able to get the vaccine and refuse to, then that’s your decision and you will live or die with it.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 16:48:43 GMT
Another funny thing I've seen popping up lately - Republicans blaming Democrats for vaccine hesitancy among conservative voters, and saying it's on the Democrats to show the vaccine is trustworthy.
Their rationale seems to be that Dems sowed distrust in vaccines when the expressed skepticism about Trump's claims of a vaccine before election day (after 7 months of science-denying and promotion of outright quackery by the Trump administration), so now it's the Democrats' responsibility to explain why this vaccine is OK.
Even if that wasn't the enormous load of BS it actually is, the same people turn around and say, "Oh, but you can't explain or educate by going door to door! That's not OK!"
I'll be really glad when everyone who wants to be vaccinated can be vaccinated, and we can be relatively sure that the only people who will keep suffering from this virus are those who are too mired in politics to show basic common sense.
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Post by lizacreates on Jul 8, 2021 16:52:40 GMT
B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. it doesn't GET any more 'targeted' than going door to door!! And no one is saying that 'education' isn't part of what the idea is FOR, for Christ's sake!! I can't imagine people are knocking on the door, and when someone opens it, they say 'hold out your arm, or else!' I'm 99.5% certain that the conversation would START with some education, asking if they know about the vaccine, know where they could get it, ask if they have any problems with access or want more information about the vaccine safety, etc., and IF SO, suggestions for how to overcome those issues. That’s precisely what it is. So much fury and overreaction over something so anodyne. The door-to-door outreach is only to inform people where to go for shots and answer questions about efficacy and safety. That’s all it is. I think part of the problem is the way this was delivered inasmuch as it caused unnecessary furor. It should have been said by Biden right then and there that no one will be jabbing anyone, no one will be asking intrusive questions, and no one will be forcing anybody to do something against their will.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 8, 2021 16:54:09 GMT
And this is just another reason I love California. Uber and Lyft offered free rides to and from vaccine clinics. Then my county offered rides which they offered accessible vans for those with disabilities. Then my county offered in home vaccines. Other counties have done this as well. We are doing what ever it takes to get vaccines in the arms of people. IRC and other Regional Centers did drive thru clinics of J&J for their clients and IDD/Disabled community members. Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? Why do you think any of this is unique to California? These things have been happening across the entire country. Access to vaccines has been available for months. If people want a vaccine, there's numerous ways to get vaccinated.
Also, I guaranfuckingtee if a republican administration wanted to send people knocking the left would lose their damn minds.
You would be wrong there. I'm about as left as they come without falling off the edge and if a Republican president/governor/mayor suggested a door-to-door campaign to push vaccines I'd be all for it. Since of course public health is, in theory, non-partisan.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 8, 2021 16:57:07 GMT
In a press briefing, Jen Psaki did specifically say door to door education. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/06/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-jen-psaki-july-6-2021/One: targeted, community-by-community, door-to-door outreach to get remaining Americans vaccinated by ensuring they have the information they need on how both safe and accessible the vaccine is. And President Biden did mention door to door, but none of the 5 targeted ways they’re reaching out are actually door to door. Now we need to go to community by community, neighborhood by neighborhood, and oftentimes, door to door — literally knocking on doors — to get help to the remaining people protected from the virus. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/06/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-covid-19-response-and-the-vaccination-program-6/I think its Republicans taking something out of context and making a big to do about nothing. For whatever reason, Republicans are lashing out at the idea of door to door as an invasion of privacy. The cynical part of me thinks part of it is a deliberate effort to sabotage the vaccination process. Republicans objected to something every step of the way - masks, mask mandates, closures, vaccination passports, vaccination mandates, proof of vaccination etc.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jul 8, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
If I wasn't vaccinated, I would have made an intentional decision at this point. I have had the opportunity with no wait and for free for months. The number of people out there who don't know about the vaccination and its availability have to be minimal - you have to be living under a rock not to. Going door to door is a heavy handed tactic that I would expect very little return from, so I would object to much money being spent that way. It also isn't always safe for the person going door to door. A better use of government money would be to: A) Get full FDA approval. That's the biggest argument I still hear. There is a group of people who won't ever get the vaccine under "emergency authorization." The FDA and Congress can work together to make a new full approval path if they need to. B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. ETA: Having spent time in those areas, in general, they don't trust a stranger's word over their next door neighbor. Chicago has actual mobile vaccination services. People are still using it, even many months after eligibility. I read that some people just took a while to decide…or were convinced after a conversation with their physician or visiting health provider. Related: I read in an article - it was when the Biden administration announced they wanted to get vaccines into doctors offices - that physicians are finding that patients are often much more amenable to the vaccine after having a personal conversation about it. One guy interviewed was a Black primary care physician who reported he has been able to allay his Black patients distrust (based on history) of the vaccination program by answering questions about it during unrelated office visits. I remember telling my friend, a pediatrician, about the article, and she wasn’t at all surprised. She said that the most successful argument she used when the HPF vaccine came out was that her own children had gotten it. So, there’s something about personal outreach and question-answering, and those connections just might be forged in door to door conversation. (Of course, an education and then a jab would be optimal, but a lot of people don’t regularly go to a doctor…and then there’s the whole refrigeration and expiration thing.)
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jul 8, 2021 17:57:40 GMT
I think providing rides for those without cars is essential. Devoting resources in multiple languages so people are comfortable and educated is awesome. I'm not sure sending people to randomly knock on people's doors is helpful and the best use of resources. I'm not outraged by it, just think that there might be better ways of reaching people.
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Post by Merge on Jul 8, 2021 18:08:00 GMT
I think providing rides for those without cars is essential. Devoting resources in multiple languages so people are comfortable and educated is awesome. I'm not sure sending people to randomly knock on people's doors is helpful and the best use of resources. I'm not outraged by it, just think that there might be better ways of reaching people. I would imagine they'll focus efforts on areas/zip codes that are known to have low vaccination rates, so it's not totally random.
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Post by papersilly on Jul 8, 2021 18:37:15 GMT
Did they forget their fearless idiotic leader got jabbed? hard to forget when most never even knew. Fearless leader never told his minions that he did it on the down low and neither did his spawn. had he not been outed in the media months later, he probably would have tried to keep as mum about it as possible.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 8, 2021 18:55:55 GMT
I think providing rides for those without cars is essential. Devoting resources in multiple languages so people are comfortable and educated is awesome. I'm not sure sending people to randomly knock on people's doors is helpful and the best use of resources. I'm not outraged by it, just think that there might be better ways of reaching people. The door-to-door approach may help the elderly, disabled, or impoverished who lack access to free/affordable/accessible transportation.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 8, 2021 19:18:50 GMT
If I wasn't vaccinated, I would have made an intentional decision at this point. I have had the opportunity with no wait and for free for months. The number of people out there who don't know about the vaccination and its availability have to be minimal - you have to be living under a rock not to. Going door to door is a heavy handed tactic that I would expect very little return from, so I would object to much money being spent that way. It also isn't always safe for the person going door to door. A better use of government money would be to: A) Get full FDA approval. That's the biggest argument I still hear. There is a group of people who won't ever get the vaccine under "emergency authorization." The FDA and Congress can work together to make a new full approval path if they need to. B) Targeted education for specific areas with low vaccination rates. This is especially important in states with large rural areas that may spread more information via word of mouth than by social media. ETA: Having spent time in those areas, in general, they don't trust a stranger's word over their next door neighbor. Chicago has actual mobile vaccination services. People are still using it, even many months after eligibility. I read that some people just took a while to decide…or were convinced after a conversation with their physician or visiting health provider. Related: I read in an article - it was when the Biden administration announced they wanted to get vaccines into doctors offices - that physicians are finding that patients are often much more amenable to the vaccine after having a personal conversation about it. One guy interviewed was a Black primary care physician who reported he has been able to allay his Black patients distrust (based on history) of the vaccination program by answering questions about it during unrelated office visits. I remember telling my friend, a pediatrician, about the article, and she wasn’t at all surprised. She said that the most successful argument she used when the HPF vaccine came out was that her own children had gotten it. So, there’s something about personal outreach and question-answering, and those connections just might be forged in door to door conversation. (Of course, an education and then a jab would be optimal, but a lot of people don’t regularly go to a doctor…and then there’s the whole refrigeration and expiration thing.) One of my friends who lives in Chicago, took Covid seriously, being high risk. However, was initially reluctant on the vaccine, due to this same history, understandably. She didn’t get it as soon as she was eligible, but was actively paying attention to those who did, and asking questions of us as well as her GP. What finally pushed her over was wanting desperately to see her grandchildren (she lives alone and had been isolated the last year) but she said she also felt like by the time she got it, she was making as informed a choice as she could.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 8, 2021 20:04:58 GMT
And what office does Beto O'Rourke hold? Is he a decision maker? NO! pixiechickPlease try better with your links.. ETA: truthfully if someone were coming for you guns they would look more like a SWAT team then probably two people in scrubs to discuss and/or administer a shot.
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