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Post by onelasttime on Jul 26, 2021 20:16:20 GMT
I could be wrong, but I think the full quote has already been posted. This is also not the first time we’ve had this argument with her. I couldn’t find it. I thought it might be in the Washington Post column I posted on this thread but it’s not exactly the quote. But we’ll see. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 26, 2021 21:22:36 GMT
Papercraftadvocate posted it on July 22 about halfway down page 4. Sorry, not sure how to link a specific post. I’m certain that the full quote was posted in previous discussions, but pixiechick continues to keep ignoring the context and the exact quote.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 26, 2021 21:24:22 GMT
The vaccine DID come out while he was in office. Regardless of what kind of person Trump is, Kamala ALSO undermined public confidence in the vaccine. So, I'm not the one reaching here. Typical, predictable Gia. You cherry pick and/or leave out context to try yo give your response “weight”. And once again you look silly. This is what Kamala actually said about the vaccine—when trump was in office AND before the vaccine came out. She did NOT undermine public trust with her words, given that fuck face Trump was promoting non-proven and dangerous substances pulling his advice out of his big fat ass. “Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said that President Donald Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough. Asked by CNN's Dana Bash in a clip released Saturday whether she would get a vaccine that was approved and distributed before the election, Harris replied, "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." "I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about," she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it." Just quoting this to show that the exact quote and context have been posted multiple times but pixiechick continues to ignore the exact quote and context. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 26, 2021 21:34:40 GMT
Typical, predictable Gia. You cherry pick and/or leave out context to try yo give your response “weight”. And once again you look silly. This is what Kamala actually said about the vaccine—when trump was in office AND before the vaccine came out. She did NOT undermine public trust with her words, given that fuck face Trump was promoting non-proven and dangerous substances pulling his advice out of his big fat ass. “Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said that President Donald Trump's word alone on any potential coronavirus vaccine is not enough. Asked by CNN's Dana Bash in a clip released Saturday whether she would get a vaccine that was approved and distributed before the election, Harris replied, "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." "I will say that I would not trust Donald Trump and it would have to be a credible source of information that talks about the efficacy and the reliability of whatever he's talking about," she continued in the clip from an exclusive interview airing Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union" at 9 a.m. ET. "I will not take his word for it." Just quoting this to show that the exact quote and context have been posted multiple times but pixiechick continues to ignore the exact quote and context. Then she can ignore it. Or take another run at it. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 26, 2021 23:06:15 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said this And dumpster don is basically telling his followers not to get vaccinated and trying to make it all President Biden’s fault. I asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2021 23:22:30 GMT
Seriously we're you there for this is 15 cases and soon it will be zero? We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone?
If we want to talk about dealing in reality, this cannot be overlooked. None of it. Trump bungled everything he touched. The mismanagement of this pandemic was epic. I watched all those press conferences with my anxiety running high hoping for something presidential. And I am a former republican. I got none of that. After this pandemic, I may never vote republican again. This is reality. They are lost in lunacy.
What you are discussing is not even close to undermining vaccine confidence. Trump did that. The people who aren't taking the vaccine are his supporters. You can't spend a year talking about car accidents being reported as covid deaths and holding super spreader events where people are infected even die (Herman Cain) and support the ridiculous kinds of protests we had going on in Michigan and then say yeah go get vaccinated.
You must be joking? But just in case you aren't I'll throw you a bone. Kamala's statement, well maybe that's why the Democratic party has like a 2% holdout rate on vaccination. But Trump is hands down responsible for like the 95% of his party that won't get vaccinated. There, did that help you feel better about your argument? There's your apples to oranges.
ETA: yeah I own that I was a bitch. This is getting ridiculous though.
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Post by sunshine on Jul 26, 2021 23:35:55 GMT
Seriously we're you there for this is 15 cases and soon it will be zero? We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? If we want to talk about dealing in reality, this cannot be overlooked. None of it. Trump bungled everything he touched. The mismanagement of this pandemic was epic. I watched all those press conferences with my anxiety running high hoping for something presidential. And I am a former republican. I got none of that. After this pandemic, I may never vote republican again. This is reality. They are lost in lunacy. What you are discussing is not even close to undermining vaccine confidence. Trump did that. The people who aren't taking the vaccine are his supporters. You can't spend a year talking about car accidents being reported as covid deaths and holding super spreader events where people are infected even die (Herman Cain) and support the ridiculous kinds of protests we had going on in Michigan and then say yeah go get vaccinated. You must be joking? But just in case you aren't I'll throw you a bone. Kamala's statement, well maybe that's why the Democratic party has like a 2% holdout rate on vaccination. But Trump is hands down responsible for like the 95% of his party that won't get vaccinated. There, did that help you feel better about your argument? There's your apples to oranges. ETA: yeah I own that I was a bitch. This is getting ridiculous though. That's interesting, I haven't seen that statistic. Where did you read that?
According to the CDC, the black population has the lowest vaccination rate (24.5% fully vaxxed), and the Hispanic population is second lowest (30.5%). I don't think that falls in line with the 2% holdout rate of democrats. Unless the suggestion is they are big Trump/republican voters?
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 26, 2021 23:42:02 GMT
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2021 23:45:39 GMT
Seriously we're you there for this is 15 cases and soon it will be zero? We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? If we want to talk about dealing in reality, this cannot be overlooked. None of it. Trump bungled everything he touched. The mismanagement of this pandemic was epic. I watched all those press conferences with my anxiety running high hoping for something presidential. And I am a former republican. I got none of that. After this pandemic, I may never vote republican again. This is reality. They are lost in lunacy. What you are discussing is not even close to undermining vaccine confidence. Trump did that. The people who aren't taking the vaccine are his supporters. You can't spend a year talking about car accidents being reported as covid deaths and holding super spreader events where people are infected even die (Herman Cain) and support the ridiculous kinds of protests we had going on in Michigan and then say yeah go get vaccinated. You must be joking? But just in case you aren't I'll throw you a bone. Kamala's statement, well maybe that's why the Democratic party has like a 2% holdout rate on vaccination. But Trump is hands down responsible for like the 95% of his party that won't get vaccinated. There, did that help you feel better about your argument? There's your apples to oranges. ETA: yeah I own that I was a bitch. This is getting ridiculous though. That's interesting, I haven't seen that statistic. Where did you read that?
According to the CDC, the black population has the lowest vaccination rate (24.5% fully vaxxed), and the Hispanic population is second lowest (30.5%). I don't think that falls in line with the 2% holdout rate of democrats. Unless the suggestion is they are big Trump/republican voters?
I was being dramatic. But here's the for real: www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/poll-finds-startling-difference-vaccinations-among-us-republicans-and-democrats%3fampDemocrats are overwhelmingly vaccinated. Yes white Democrats are even higher with the biggest hold outs on vaccination being minorities. But republicans dont even come in at half vaccinated. Their statistic blows everything else out of the water. And you know what? It's not the black community posting meme after meme on Facebook full of vaccine ignorance. It's the Trump supporters. Just three weeks ago I had to explain to my DHs high school buddies all of them trump supporters why it wasnt appropriate to say "I identify as vaccinated" as in sexual identity slams. There's your wokeness right there. Which is what this thread was originally about. Forgive me for being upset and not documenting exact percentages. It doesn't take a brain surgeon though or a social scientist to see exactly who the holdouts are. And God forbid we actually do door to door outreach to our minority communities. We just had a thread about that. Can't go to people and try to give them information either. And that's your Trump supporters backing that position too. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 26, 2021 23:48:59 GMT
I pay no attention to the NYT, so forget that one.
Per the NPR article:
"Black Americans, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic, aren't getting the vaccine at the rate of whites. Less than a quarter of Black Americans had gotten at lease one vaccine dose as of Tuesday, according to the CDC. It's the lowest of any racial or ethnic group listed."
"Black Americans also make up a significant percentage of the population in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia. Those are seven of the 10 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates, though the gathering of data by race and ethnicity has been spotty depending on the state."
"Young people, who also lean heavily toward Democrats, are also less likely to get vaccinated. More than 80% of people over 65 have gotten at least one shot, compared with just 45% of 18- to 24-year-olds and 51% of those 25 to 39."
"The May NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found 75% of Black adults said they had gotten a shot or would get it when one came available. That was about the same as white adults, but Black adults trailed whites when it came to those who said they'd actually received one."
I just don't see how all of the above can lead to a conclusion that there's only a 2% vax holdout by democrats.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 26, 2021 23:52:37 GMT
I pay no attention to the NYT, so forget that one. Per the NPR article: "Black Americans, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic, aren't getting the vaccine at the rate of whites. Less than a quarter of Black Americans had gotten at lease one vaccine dose as of Tuesday, according to the CDC. It's the lowest of any racial or ethnic group listed." "Black Americans also make up a significant percentage of the population in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia. Those are seven of the 10 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates, though the gathering of data by race and ethnicity has been spotty depending on the state." "Young people, who also lean heavily toward Democrats, are also less likely to get vaccinated. More than 80% of people over 65 have gotten at least one shot, compared with just 45% of 18- to 24-year-olds and 51% of those 25 to 39." "The May NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found 75% of Black adults said they had gotten a shot or would get it when one came available. That was about the same as white adults, but Black adults trailed whites when it came to those who said they'd actually received one." I just don't see how all of the above can lead to a conclusion that there's only a 2% vax holdout by democrats. I just said and I'll say it again...I was being dramatic. You guys really put up a good fight. I have to wonder how many of you are exposed on the regular to people different than yourselves. Like in real life. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 26, 2021 23:55:49 GMT
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Post by sunshine on Jul 26, 2021 23:58:44 GMT
I pay no attention to the NYT, so forget that one. Per the NPR article: "Black Americans, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic, aren't getting the vaccine at the rate of whites. Less than a quarter of Black Americans had gotten at lease one vaccine dose as of Tuesday, according to the CDC. It's the lowest of any racial or ethnic group listed." "Black Americans also make up a significant percentage of the population in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina and Georgia. Those are seven of the 10 states with the lowest adult vaccination rates, though the gathering of data by race and ethnicity has been spotty depending on the state." "Young people, who also lean heavily toward Democrats, are also less likely to get vaccinated. More than 80% of people over 65 have gotten at least one shot, compared with just 45% of 18- to 24-year-olds and 51% of those 25 to 39." "The May NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found 75% of Black adults said they had gotten a shot or would get it when one came available. That was about the same as white adults, but Black adults trailed whites when it came to those who said they'd actually received one." I just don't see how all of the above can lead to a conclusion that there's only a 2% vax holdout by democrats. I just said and I'll say it again...I was being dramatic. You guys really put up a good fight. I have to wonder how many of you are exposed on the regular to people different than yourselves. Like in real life. First, I was typing when you responded you were being dramatic. Then, I was looking up and reading your link when you made this post.
Sheesh.
By the way, I'm fully vaxxed, as is everybody in my family (except for one), and we're a mixed-party family. And the one not vaxxed is definitely on the left.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 27, 2021 0:04:16 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said this And dumpster don is basically telling his followers not to get vaccinated and trying to make it all President Biden’s fault. I asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. The only one spinning here is you. In addition to ignoring the entire quote and context, you keep ignoring months of Trump’s attempts to downplay the virus and lie about it. And you keep ignoring the fact that 86% of Democrats have been vaccinated. The only politicians that undermined confidence in the vaccine are Trump and Trump Republicans. False premise, false comparison, false equivalency, ignoring facts and ignoring context. Spin & gaslight |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 27, 2021 0:05:01 GMT
I just said and I'll say it again...I was being dramatic. You guys really put up a good fight. I have to wonder how many of you are exposed on the regular to people different than yourselves. Like in real life. First, I was typing when you responded you were being dramatic. Then, I was looking up and reading your link when you made this post.
Sheesh.
By the way, I'm fully vaxxed, as is everybody in my family (except for one), and we're a mixed-party family. And the one not vaxxed is definitely on the left.
Then I'll cut you some slack.  I'm sorry. I wasn't aiming at you in the first place. I just hate how this thread derailed. Because it's clear to anyone with a mixed friends circle that the reasons white people and black people aren't vaccinated are completely different. And the more I'm digging into caste the less I'm thinking about race in terms of social science measures. I wonder about about it terms of wealth, education, etc. Meaning it is an outreach issue. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 27, 2021 0:26:42 GMT
That’s really funny that you’re accusing the current White House and Democrats about lying and disinformation. Former lied over 20,000 times. He lied so many times about election fraud and undermined confidence in the election process. He led an insurrection in an attempt to overturn the results of a free and fair election because he refused to concede. He continues to lie about the election. Republicans have now taken up his lies as an excuse to pass voter suppression laws. Republicans are lying about the insurrection and trying to change history. McCarthy blew up the investigation and committee because he doesn’t want the truth to come out - former and the Republicans who objected to the election are directly responsible for the insurrection. Typical Republican playbook - accuse others of what you are guilty. The biggest threat to our country, our democracy, our foundation is former and the Republicans in office who support him. The Washington Post has accused AND backed up their accusation on the White House lying about who wants to defund the police. Whatever Trump has done, doesn't excuse the Biden administration's lying. The biggest threat to our democracy is the Biden Administration's Facebook collusion in trashing the first amendment. Funny. Biggest threat to our democracy are republicans. Bunch o big fat liars. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 27, 2021 0:27:22 GMT
Care to comment? This was put on the Miscellaneous thread so I dug around and got the rest of the story. You really should pay attention to context. From BuzzFeed… linkSen. Kamala Harris said during Wednesday's vice presidential debate that she would take a COVID-19 vaccine only if medical professionals recommended it, not on President Donald Trump's word alone.
"If Dr. Fauci, the doctors, tell us that we should take it, I'll be the first in line to take it," Harris said. "But if Donald Trump tells us we should take it, I'm not going to take it."There is also a CNN story linked in the Buzzfeed story…. CNNShe's been told this multiple times but continues to insist that VP Harris undermined confidence on the same level as former. She keeps insisting that it's a double standard. She refuses to concede that she took Kamala Harris's quote out of context. Per her usual style, she starts with a false premise, makes false comparisons and false equivalencies. Typical Gia. Typical republican. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 27, 2021 0:27:50 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 27, 2021 0:29:07 GMT
She's been told this multiple times but continues to insist that VP Harris undermined confidence on the same level as former. She keeps insisting that it's a double standard. She refuses to concede that she took Kamala Harris's quote out of context. Per her usual style, she starts with a false premise, makes false comparisons and false equivalencies. She didn’t have the full quote. Now she does. She has two choices, acknowledge she is comparing apples to oranges or try another way to “spin it” to make a valid point. That could be highly entertaining. Actually she has three choices, she could just ignore it. I posted the full quote in full context, in it entirety, but Gia did what Gia does—double down on the lies from the Republican playbook. She’s 100% fine in gaslighting, lying, spreading disinformation. |
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Post by onelasttime on Jul 27, 2021 3:05:06 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said this And dumpster don is basically telling his followers not to get vaccinated and trying to make it all President Biden’s fault. I asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. What you are pushing is your opinion. Opinions are subjective and not everyone is going to agree with the general you’s opinions. Some people have a hard time accepting that folks are not going to agree with the way they see things. And when is a good time to walk away. I like voicing my opinion but I also accept there will be those that agree, those that disagree and those that are silent on my opinions. To me the silent ones are saying “there she goes again”. But in my opinion you are one of the ones that has a hard time accepting people not agreeing with your opinion no matter how you voice/write it. I say this based on the first sentence in this post. I took that sentence out of your post about wokeness. You’ve use a version of that theme in a lot of your posts when you don’t see things going your way. But it’s just simply people not agreeing with you. There is no sinister plot out to get you. It’s just people are not agreeing with how you see things. At least on this board. I also understand wanting to defend your opinion. But, IMO, you need to learn to know when to walk a way. I knew when I posted the latest on what Kamala Harris said you would pop up to defend your version once again and you did not disappoint. IMO you should have cut your losses on this subject and ignored my last post. I use to try and defend my opinions a lot more but finally came to the realization there is a point when the best thing to do is walk away. So out comes the old “ we are going to have to agree to disagree” and then I’m gone. Based on your comment I took from another post I imagine it’s not fun for you to have to keep defending your opinions because you know you’re right. But that’s not how it works, we, as individuals, get to chose what we believe and what we don’t believe for whatever reason. I’m not changing what I believe about Kamala Harris and what she said or the belief trump is undermining the safety of the vaccine so he can use it against the Biden Administration. Actually after listening to trump Saturday night in AZ I think it may be worse then blaming the Biden Administration for the failure to get everyone vaccinated. I think the fool thinks if there is a coup against the Federal Government and the coup is successful that somehow he will become president again. He’s not only nuts, he’s danger to this country. IMO. Anyway the point of this long post is that it is clear that the majority of the folks who post on the political threads don’t agree with your opinions. So rather then continuing to go back and forth in a lost cause, maybe you should take a step back until you can accept the simple truth that not everyone is going to agree with everyone’s opinion. And you’re not always seen as right in your assessment. Once you fully accept this truth, come back and post your opinions but know when to walk away. I’m pretty sure there will “silence” about this post which means some believe “there she goes again”. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 27, 2021 6:27:46 GMT
Seriously we're you there for this is 15 cases and soon it will be zero? We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? If we want to talk about dealing in reality, this cannot be overlooked. None of it. Trump bungled everything he touched. The mismanagement of this pandemic was epic. I watched all those press conferences with my anxiety running high hoping for something presidential. And I am a former republican. I got none of that. After this pandemic, I may never vote republican again. This is reality. They are lost in lunacy. What you are discussing is not even close to undermining vaccine confidence. Trump did that. The people who aren't taking the vaccine are his supporters. You can't spend a year talking about car accidents being reported as covid deaths and holding super spreader events where people are infected even die (Herman Cain) and support the ridiculous kinds of protests we had going on in Michigan and then say yeah go get vaccinated. You must be joking? But just in case you aren't I'll throw you a bone. Kamala's statement, well maybe that's why the Democratic party has like a 2% holdout rate on vaccination. But Trump is hands down responsible for like the 95% of his party that won't get vaccinated. There, did that help you feel better about your argument? There's your apples to oranges. ETA: yeah I own that I was a bitch. This is getting ridiculous though. We're you there for inject bleach? We're you there for open up churches on Easter because it will be gone? He never said it would be over by Easter, it was a goal to open back up, much like Biden's goal for 4th of July. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jul 27, 2021 6:30:46 GMT
Just to refresh your memory you said thisI asked for the link where he said that and you quoted him saying WHY PEOPLE ARE VACCINE HESITANT. You tried to twist that into meaning don't take it. No where in his words were the words I won't take it, or don't take it. As a matter of fact he has said to take it. KAMALA ACTUALLY SAID THE WORDS "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if..."
I understand there was other context, I understand it and can even agree with it. IF you apply the same standard for both. I've been saying, and you and ajhall keep ignoring it, you can NOT honestly spin Trump's words to mean something entirely different than what the words mean and then give excuses for Kamala who actually said the words "Well, I think that's going to be an issue for all of us." and "I won't take it if...". That's not dealing in reality, that's pushing dishonest spin. What you are pushing is your opinion. Opinions are subjective and not everyone is going to agree with the general you’s opinions. Some people have a hard time accepting that folks are not going to agree with the way they see things. And when is a good time to walk away. I like voicing my opinion but I also accept there will be those that agree, those that disagree and those that are silent on my opinions. To me the silent ones are saying “there she goes again”. But in my opinion you are one of the ones that has a hard time accepting people not agreeing with your opinion no matter how you voice/write it. I say this based on the first sentence in this post. I took that sentence out of your post about wokeness. You’ve use a version of that theme in a lot of your posts when you don’t see things going your way. But it’s just simply people not agreeing with you. There is no sinister plot out to get you. It’s just people are not agreeing with how you see things. At least on this board. I also understand wanting to defend your opinion. But, IMO, you need to learn to know when to walk a way. I knew when I posted the latest on what Kamala Harris said you would pop up to defend your version once again and you did not disappoint. IMO you should have cut your losses on this subject and ignored my last post. I use to try and defend my opinions a lot more but finally came to the realization there is a point when the best thing to do is walk away. So out comes the old “ we are going to have to agree to disagree” and then I’m gone. Based on your comment I took from another post I imagine it’s not fun for you to have to keep defending your opinions because you know you’re right. But that’s not how it works, we, as individuals, get to chose what we believe and what we don’t believe for whatever reason. I’m not changing what I believe about Kamala Harris and what she said or the belief trump is undermining the safety of the vaccine so he can use it against the Biden Administration. Actually after listening to trump Saturday night in AZ I think it may be worse then blaming the Biden Administration for the failure to get everyone vaccinated. I think the fool thinks if there is a coup against the Federal Government and the coup is successful that somehow he will become president again. He’s not only nuts, he’s danger to this country. IMO. Anyway the point of this long post is that it is clear that the majority of the folks who post on the political threads don’t agree with your opinions. So rather then continuing to go back and forth in a lost cause, maybe you should take a step back until you can accept the simple truth that not everyone is going to agree with everyone’s opinion. And you’re not always seen as right in your assessment. Once you fully accept this truth, come back and post your opinions but know when to walk away. I’m pretty sure there will “silence” about this post which means some believe “there she goes again”. “Not allowing anyone to disagree with the narrative of the moment.”
What you are pushing is your opinion. Opinions are subjective and not everyone is going to agree with the general you’s opinions. Some people have a hard time accepting that folks are not going to agree with the way they see things. And when is a good time to walk away. You do realize I moved on from the topic of Kamala and Trump and on to the original topic 3 days ago?YOU are the one that dragged it back up to try to beat me into submission. YOU are the one that is having a hard time accepting that I don't agree with you. Not me.
I like voicing my opinion but I also accept there will be those that agree, those that disagree and those that are silent on my opinions. Your actions show otherwise. But in my opinion you are one of the ones that has a hard time accepting people not agreeing with your opinion no matter how you voice/write it. You might try a little self awareness. I also understand wanting to defend your opinion. But, IMO, you need to learn to know when to walk a way.walked away from the topic 3 days ago.Instead of you dragging it back up, maybe take your own advice, Sister.IMO you should have cut your losses on this subject and ignored my last post. In other words, you desperately need the last word. Anyway the point of this long post is that it is clear that the majority of the folks who post on the political threads don’t agree with your opinions. So rather then continuing to go back and forth in a lost cause, maybe you should take a step back until you can accept the simple truth that not everyone is going to agree with everyone’s opinion. And you’re not always seen as right in your assessment. Once you fully accept this truth, come back and post your opinions but know when to walk away. Have someone you trust read this to you in a calm, soothing voice until you understand that your own advice applies more to you in this particular situation, than it does to me. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 27, 2021 7:18:18 GMT
Another stupid argument. Former’s suggestion to health officials to study the injection of bleach was stupid, reckless and dangerous. So dangerous that Clorox issued a warning. He did claim that the numbers would somehow magically go from 15 to zero, a complete lie at the time. Even he knew it wasn’t true but all he cared about were his chances of re-election so he downplayed the seriousness of the virus. And he wanted businesses back to fully open and packed churches on Easter. You can argue semantics all you want. Bottom line, he had stupid, reckless, dangerous ideas. He downplayed the seriousness of the virus, undermined science and undermined health experts, epidemiologists and doctors. The point that all of us are making, one that you refuse to acknowledge, is that Trump undermined confidence in the vaccine and is directly responsible for many of his supporters refusing the vaccine. One of the biggest ways that he undermined the vaccine was by downplaying the seriousness of his own case of covid. He falsely compared covid to the flu and failed to acknowledge that he received state of the art, cutting edge medical treatment not available to everyone. He also censored the medical information that his doctors released. www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trumps-covid-19-misinformation-since-testing-positive/He further undermined confidence in the vaccine by getting it in secret in January. We didn’t find out until March that he had been vaccinated. His ego was more important, he didn’t want to look weak. Every other former President was involved in a public ad campaign to encourage people to get vaccinated, but not him. eta - I forgot that even before Covid, even before he became president, former was undermining vaccine safety. He falsely claimed that a child developed autism from a vaccine. www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-41-percent-of-republicans-dont-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 27, 2021 10:35:52 GMT
You are amazing pixiechick . You can take what people see and hear with their own eyes and ears and try to twist into something else. It's fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics you are willing to play with yourself. I watched all those press conferences. I read his words on Twitter. I see what his supporters are posting. You all need your heads examined because you're not dealing in reality. And that's as nice as I can be. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 27, 2021 10:44:35 GMT
I dismiss the NYT because it's a left-wing rag mag.
If people want to form their positions based on never ending opinions coming from biased "news" outlets, whether it be the right or the left (and they do as seen here all the time with the relentless biased opinion tweets and articles linked here all.the.time), that's obviously their choice. I chose to go directly to a source that would track actual data, the CDC.
edited to add: The more I think about it, who are you to decide that I "can't" dismiss the NYT? If I post something from Fox News, I can say you "can't" dismiss it? That's messed up. I find the NYT to be an extremely biased publication. Don't agree? Fine. But don't tell me what I can and can't dismiss because you say so.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 27, 2021 11:28:26 GMT
You are amazing pixiechick . You can take what people see and hear with their own eyes and ears and try to twist into something else. It's fascinating to watch the mental gymnastics you are willing to play with yourself. I watched all those press conferences. I read his words on Twitter. I see what his supporters are posting. You all need your heads examined because you're not dealing in reality. And that's as nice as I can be. 1,000,000x this. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 27, 2021 12:20:13 GMT
I dismiss the NYT because it's a left-wing rag mag.
If people want to form their positions based on never ending opinions coming from biased "news" outlets, whether it be the right or the left (and they do as seen here all the time with the relentless biased opinion tweets and articles linked here all.the.time), that's obviously their choice. I chose to go directly to a source that would track actual data, the CDC.
edited to add: The more I think about it, who are you to decide that I "can't" dismiss the NYT? If I post something from Fox News, I can say you "can't" dismiss it? That's messed up. I find the NYT to be an extremely biased publication. Don't agree? Fine. But don't tell me what I can and can't dismiss because you say so.
I’m curious - which data used to inform the NYT article posted did you find to be suspect? What evidence of reporter bias did you see? Was the data misrepresented in some way? |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 27, 2021 13:06:13 GMT
I dismiss the NYT because it's a left-wing rag mag.
If people want to form their positions based on never ending opinions coming from biased "news" outlets, whether it be the right or the left (and they do as seen here all the time with the relentless biased opinion tweets and articles linked here all.the.time), that's obviously their choice. I chose to go directly to a source that would track actual data, the CDC.
edited to add: The more I think about it, who are you to decide that I "can't" dismiss the NYT? If I post something from Fox News, I can say you "can't" dismiss it? That's messed up. I find the NYT to be an extremely biased publication. Don't agree? Fine. But don't tell me what I can and can't dismiss because you say so.
I’m curious - which data used to inform the NYT article posted did you find to be suspect? What evidence of reporter bias did you see? Was the data misrepresented in some way? I didn’t read the NYT link. The NYT lost all credibility in my eyes and I’d rather get facts straight from the source (in this case the CDC) and leave out the biased middleman. I did read the npr link and the link posted by the WaPo. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 27, 2021 13:43:36 GMT
I’m curious - which data used to inform the NYT article posted did you find to be suspect? What evidence of reporter bias did you see? Was the data misrepresented in some way? I didn’t read the NYT link. The NYT lost all credibility in my eyes and I’d rather get facts straight from the source (in this case the CDC) and leave out the biased middleman. I did read the npr link and the link posted by the WaPo. Ok, since you went to the exact same data that the NYT and others have used to show that Trump-voting states and counties are much less vaccinated than others, let me probe a little further. You seem above to be using the low vaccination rate among Black Americans to attempt to disprove the NYT premise by reminding us that Black people vote overwhelmingly Democratic. What, if any, consideration do you give to the fact that Black people only represent 13% of the total US population, and only 26% of the population of a more Black, but still heavily unvaccinated state like Alabama? The CDC link, when you navigate to data aggregates by state, seems to me to show that Trump-voting states are overwhelmingly less vaccinated than Biden-voting states. That’s true in almost entirely white states like Wyoming and in states like Louisiana, where the Black population is still a significant minority at 32%. You seem to be implying that the vaccination rate among Black people in those states is the root of the problem, but mathematically, it’s difficult for me to see how that can be true. The difficulty becomes greater when you consider that larger cities within red states tend to have both higher minority populations and higher vaccination rates than the state as a whole. So perhaps you can enlighten me as to how you’re drawing your conclusions. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 27, 2021 14:23:43 GMT
I dismiss the NYT because it's a left-wing rag mag.
If people want to form their positions based on never ending opinions coming from biased "news" outlets, whether it be the right or the left (and they do as seen here all the time with the relentless biased opinion tweets and articles linked here all.the.time), that's obviously their choice. I chose to go directly to a source that would track actual data, the CDC.
edited to add: The more I think about it, who are you to decide that I "can't" dismiss the NYT? If I post something from Fox News, I can say you "can't" dismiss it? That's messed up. I find the NYT to be an extremely biased publication. Don't agree? Fine. But don't tell me what I can and can't dismiss because you say so.
Another false comparison and false equivalency. While I agree that the opinion pieces may have a left leaning bias, NYT has won 132 pulitzer prizes for journalism. Fox News loses all credibility with self admitted entertainers like Tucker Carlson. There’s no comparison to the garbage and lies on his show or Sean Hannity’s. Even Fox admits that Tuckers show is not news. A few reporters from Fox have won awards, but the network has never won the Edward R. Murrow award. NPR won 8 in 2020 alone. |
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I'm sorry. I wasn't aiming at you in the first place. I just hate how this thread derailed. Because it's clear to anyone with a mixed friends circle that the reasons white people and black people aren't vaccinated are completely different. And the more I'm digging into caste the less I'm thinking about race in terms of social science measures. I wonder about about it terms of wealth, education, etc. Meaning it is an outreach issue. 