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Post by birukitty on Oct 12, 2021 23:34:06 GMT
I thought that too. My ex strangled me once after I left him in broad daylight in a public parking lot when he came to pick up our 4 year old for visitation. He said, "This time I'm going to kill you". Somehow I got away and ran for my apartment building's elevator and made it up to my apartment and locked the door. I called 911 and the police showed up right away. The officers were so kind. They looked at my neck and said, "We can tell who's telling the truth". My ex got into big trouble for that one. He had to go to anger management, had to only see our son with supervised visitation for a long time and had to pick him up in a different location without me being there. He also got arrested and had to go to court. I went again to therapy and am fine. The only lasting problem I have is that I hate turtlenecks and I can't scuba dive because I don't trust a machine to breath for me-I've tried twice and same thing. My heart goes out to Gabby that she met her end this way. It must have been so horrifying for her. Gosh I want this slimy a-hole caught and made to face his crimes! I'm so, so sorry. How brutal and frightening. My heart breaks for you for having experienced that type of violence. And my heart breaks for you that you had to go through what you did. Mine only lasted for a short time. Yours lasted much longer. We are both survivors.
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Post by mom on Oct 12, 2021 23:35:14 GMT
I heard something on Tik Tok (so take that with a grain of salt) that Brian was being followed before he left. Does anyone know if this is true? Im too lazy to google. If they had him under surveillance, how the heck did he get away?
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Post by amp on Oct 12, 2021 23:41:10 GMT
I heard something on Tik Tok (so take that with a grain of salt) that Brian was being followed before he left. Does anyone know if this is true? Im too lazy to google. If they had him under surveillance, how the heck did he get away? Maybe he didn't really get away...maybe they are still trying to collect more evidence on him so he for sure gets convicted? Not sure...just a guess.
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Post by mom on Oct 12, 2021 23:50:50 GMT
I heard something on Tik Tok (so take that with a grain of salt) that Brian was being followed before he left. Does anyone know if this is true? Im too lazy to google. If they had him under surveillance, how the heck did he get away? Maybe he didn't really get away...maybe they are still trying to collect more evidence on him so he for sure gets convicted? Not sure...just a guess. I don't think they'd spend so much money and resources looking if they had any idea. But who knows.
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Post by amp on Oct 13, 2021 0:12:03 GMT
Maybe he didn't really get away...maybe they are still trying to collect more evidence on him so he for sure gets convicted? Not sure...just a guess. I don't think they'd spend so much money and resources looking if they had any idea. But who knows. That is a very good point...they'd not want to tip off his family that they knew where he was, but they wouldn't spend a lot of money looking for him.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 13, 2021 0:48:03 GMT
I heard something on Tik Tok (so take that with a grain of salt) that Brian was being followed before he left. Does anyone know if this is true? Im too lazy to google. If they had him under surveillance, how the heck did he get away? I read it somewhere last week that he was under surveillance but I can’t remember where I read it at. I usually only read news from CNN but occasionally open up an interesting headline I see on yahoo which comes from multiple different websites.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 13, 2021 0:52:10 GMT
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Post by h2ohdog on Oct 13, 2021 0:56:31 GMT
I’m so sorry to hear that. And there’s nothing accidental about that. No. Strangulation takes time - it isn’t accidental. It is a personal form of murder - one has to be up close for up to 5 minutes while you kill your victim. ☹️ The coroner didn’t revealed at the news conference whether they know whether she was strangled with hands or with a ligature. I am guessing/hoping that they may have evidence one way or the other, but don’t want to tip their hand yet until they have a suspect in custody. The coroner’s report (up on Reddit r/GabbyPetito) says “death by manual strangulation/throttling,” which means no ligature. I didn’t know that “throttling” meant manual strangulation- had to look it up. I’m not surprised, but I am so sad about this. I hope they find him soon. Azz.
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Post by uksue on Oct 13, 2021 12:07:13 GMT
Apparently the parents can’t be charged with anything as things stand. If/when they helped him ( of course they did) he wasn’t charged with a crime, so neither can they. They can only be charged if they helped him after the charges for use of the bank cards . It would take a stretch to prove whether they know where he is and are hiding his whereabouts although I suppose it’s a possibility, but as mum worked for the DA office I’m thinking she knows enough for them not to fall foul of the law. If they dropped him off and he didn’t disclose his real destination they are ‘safe’.
I don’t know how they sleep at night.
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Post by gar on Oct 13, 2021 12:54:41 GMT
I don’t know how they sleep at night. I agree. They have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives (assuming they did help him disappear) and that may become harder as time goes on I would think.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 13, 2021 13:22:54 GMT
Apparently the parents can’t be charged with anything as things stand. If/when they helped him ( of course they did) he wasn’t charged with a crime, so neither can they. They can only be charged if they helped him after the charges for use of the bank cards . It would take a stretch to prove whether they know where he is and are hiding his whereabouts although I suppose it’s a possibility, but as mum worked for the DA office I’m thinking she knows enough for them not to fall foul of the law. If they dropped him off and he didn’t disclose his real destination they are ‘safe’. I don’t know how they sleep at night. You can be charged with accessory to a crime if you helped them even if they have not yet been charged.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 16:11:03 GMT
I don’t know how they sleep at night. I agree. They have to live with their decision for the rest of their lives (assuming they did help him disappear) and that may become harder as time goes on I would think. Yes if you have a conscious. And a heart like most people. But I'm still convinced that the parents are malignant narcissists themselves.
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Post by elaine on Oct 13, 2021 16:44:05 GMT
Apparently the parents can’t be charged with anything as things stand. If/when they helped him ( of course they did) he wasn’t charged with a crime, so neither can they. They can only be charged if they helped him after the charges for use of the bank cards . It would take a stretch to prove whether they know where he is and are hiding his whereabouts although I suppose it’s a possibility, but as mum worked for the DA office I’m thinking she knows enough for them not to fall foul of the law. If they dropped him off and he didn’t disclose his real destination they are ‘safe’. I don’t know how they sleep at night. You can be charged with accessory to a crime if you helped them even if they have not yet been charged. I’m not asking to be snarky - this is a sincere-I-really-don’t-know question- if they only helped him leave the area undetected AFTER he committed the crimes (credit card fraud, and potentially murder) and before he was charged, and didn’t help commit the crimes in any way (because their actions were after the crimes), would they still be able to be charged with accessory to a crime? Or does the timeline not really matter in these cases, and they would be considered accessories regardless of when they provided aid? If so, why haven’t the parents been charged as accessories to the crime yet, since he has been charged (with fraud, at least)?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 13, 2021 17:11:35 GMT
You can be charged with accessory to a crime if you helped them even if they have not yet been charged. I’m not asking to be snarky - this is a sincere-I-really-don’t-know question- if they only helped him leave the area undetected AFTER he committed the crimes (credit card fraud, and potentially murder) and before he was charged, and didn’t help commit the crimes in any way (because their actions were after the crimes), would they still be able to be charged with accessory to a crime? Or does the timeline not really matter in these cases, and they would be considered accessories regardless of when they provided aid? If so, why haven’t the parents been charged as accessories to the crime yet, since he has been charged (with fraud, at least)? Yes accessory is specifically if you help after the fact while aiding and abetting requires you to provide assistance before the crime and typically the punishment for accessory is less than aiding and abetting where you can actually receive the same sentence as for committing the crime. I don't know why they haven't been charged - I'm actually not sure which jurisdiction it would be - Wyoming I guess as that's where the actual crime was committed. Accessory for a felony where the individual is a relative is a misdemeanor punishable by up to 6 months and/or $750. Maybe they believe it's better to have their cooperation?!? FYI Wyoming's statute on accessory after the fact:
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 13, 2021 17:14:59 GMT
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Oct 13, 2021 20:05:51 GMT
Justice rarely works as quickly as we'd like it to. It's very possible his parents eventually WILL be charged. This case really is only a month(ish) old.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 13, 2021 20:33:22 GMT
If it's true that the Florida police had Brian under surveillance and he still got away then they did a piss poor job watching him, didn't they? If it's a lie and they didn't have him under surveillance but made that up to cover their asses then they are also in trouble for lying about it-so either way they boggled this big time.
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Post by elaine on Oct 13, 2021 22:00:59 GMT
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 13, 2021 22:03:53 GMT
Given about half of homicides with a female victim are committed by partners, & manual strangulation is considered personal, the likely suspect is the fiance. However, people are innocent in this country until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
The media, LE, & even the ME have created/contributed to a narrative that has convicted him in the court of public opinion (& likely helps the defense, should he ever be found alive, charged, & tried for murder). Although unlikely based on statistics, it’s possible that he was neither responsible for nor had any knowledge of her death & is actually missing.
My sincerest condolences to her family & others whose loved ones were murdered. May justice be served in each case.
I hope the other ~20K active missing persons cases are pursued with the same urgency; each person is found alive; & their families get answers.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Oct 14, 2021 3:13:28 GMT
I posted this earlier in the thread.... I still think his Parents need to be watched and followed into current and long term future. They helped him go into hiding. They likely made a rendezvous plan for the future. Meet somewhere, probably deeper in the woods, by a specific rock or tree, off a hiking trail, so they can give him or bury >> money, throw away type phone to call their throw away phone, supplies, etc...
I think he is currently deep in the mountains-woods hiding, living off the grid. Growing his hair, growing a bushy beard, changing his appearance so he can eventually go into a store undetected for supplies, with the cash that his Parents likely gave him.
I've watched movies and read books, with this type of scenario happening.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 3:16:21 GMT
Given about half of homicides with a female victim are committed by partners, & manual strangulation is considered personal, the likely suspect is the fiance. However, people are innocent in this country until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The media, LE, & even the ME have created/contributed to a narrative that has convicted him in the court of public opinion (& likely helps the defense, should he ever be found alive, charged, & tried for murder). Although unlikely based on statistics, it’s possible that he was neither responsible for nor had any knowledge of her death & is actually missing. My sincerest condolences to her family & others whose loved ones were murdered. May justice be served in each case. I hope the other ~20K active missing persons cases are pursued with the same urgency; each person is found alive; & their families get answers. I do agree, partially. He has the right to a fair trial. HOWEVER, so far it doesn't look too good for him considering that quite a few people saw him being enraged with Gabby and with a waitress and manager at a bar/restaurant. People reported seeing his violence towards Gabby to Police. The fact that he took her car and (supposedly) drove it back to FL should have been grand larceny. The van was registered to only Gabby. He was charged with stealing and using her credit card. And the fact that he fled and didn't face the charges against him OR help with the search for her seems to be telling (again, we can't assume). This case has a lot of attention because she was working on her blogging platform, she had a following in IG, etc. I also hope that many other missing persons cases are pursued and solved. Hope this one will be solved too!
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Post by Laurie on Oct 14, 2021 3:26:56 GMT
Have you seen the video of the dad weed eating around her memorial in their yard and appears that he is maintaining it and keeping it up. A lot of people speculating that he will be the one to crack and that the mom is the mastermind keeping Brian in hiding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 3:27:44 GMT
I still have SO many questions about this. How do we know that he left and flew back to FL for the supposed locker-clearing at the insistence of his dad?? If he DID go back home, maybe the Dad flew back with him?? Maybe the Dad helped him dispose of all of her belongings & her phone, and then sent Brian on a plane somewhere far away while he (the Dad) drove Gabby's van to FL? How do we know that Brian went back to FL at the beginning of September? How do we even know that he was there at all? I just had a feeling that he never went back home, the Dad possibly provided him with some passport and sent him away. Just a hunch. I remember that there were two neighbors (a couple I believe) who stated that they saw Brian after he returned to Florida in early September. They said he mowed the lawn and then he went on a bike ride with (I think) his mother. After that there were no other sightings of Brian, but when his parents were at that campground in Fort De Soto someone snapped a photo (not a very clear one) that shows a young man that looks very much like Brian in the background at that campground. I do think that the Florida police have bungled this case from the beginning. The fact that Brian was in possession of Gabby's van and Gabby was nowhere to be found-why wasn't that checked out? It wasn't Brian's van-it wasn't in his name. Why wasn't there some surveillance on Brian's house during all that time that suspicion was starting to build against him? What really makes me so mad and upset are the police who stopped Gabby and Brian during their trip in Moab. They had the evidence of the 911 calls and the witness statements about the abuse. Gabby herself told them how Brian had grabbed her face. And these idiots were considering charging Gabby with abuse? They even went so far as to give Brian the hotel room that domestic abuse shelters paid for! What the actual f?! They had a chance to save Gabby and they blew it big tie me! About Moab: ITA!! I haven't seen the 2nd bodycam footage that supposedly addressed the witness seeing Brian slapping her and grabbing her outside of the van. What if he grabbed her by the throat and she scratched his face to get away? Makes sense. She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on??? No one addressed the witnesses calling 911 about Brian abusing Gabby. About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out!
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Post by Laurie on Oct 14, 2021 3:31:49 GMT
I remember that there were two neighbors (a couple I believe) who stated that they saw Brian after he returned to Florida in early September. They said he mowed the lawn and then he went on a bike ride with (I think) his mother. After that there were no other sightings of Brian, but when his parents were at that campground in Fort De Soto someone snapped a photo (not a very clear one) that shows a young man that looks very much like Brian in the background at that campground. I do think that the Florida police have bungled this case from the beginning. The fact that Brian was in possession of Gabby's van and Gabby was nowhere to be found-why wasn't that checked out? It wasn't Brian's van-it wasn't in his name. Why wasn't there some surveillance on Brian's house during all that time that suspicion was starting to build against him? What really makes me so mad and upset are the police who stopped Gabby and Brian during their trip in Moab. They had the evidence of the 911 calls and the witness statements about the abuse. Gabby herself told them how Brian had grabbed her face. And these idiots were considering charging Gabby with abuse? They even went so far as to give Brian the hotel room that domestic abuse shelters paid for! What the actual f?! They had a chance to save Gabby and they blew it big tie me! About Moab: ITA!! I haven't seen the 2nd bodycam footage that supposedly addressed the witness seeing Brian slapping her and grabbing her outside of the van. What if he grabbed her by the throat and she scratched his face to get away? Makes sense. She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on??? No one addressed the witnesses calling 911 about Brian abusing Gabby. About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! I am starting to forget everything I have read but I believe someone that was camping at the campground where his parents stayed at in the beginning of September have pictures where he (and his parents) are in them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 3:38:26 GMT
About Moab: ITA!! I haven't seen the 2nd bodycam footage that supposedly addressed the witness seeing Brian slapping her and grabbing her outside of the van. What if he grabbed her by the throat and she scratched his face to get away? Makes sense. She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on??? No one addressed the witnesses calling 911 about Brian abusing Gabby. About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! I am starting to forget everything I have read but I believe someone that was camping at the campground where his parents stayed at in the beginning of September have pictures where he (and his parents) are in them. The police (or FBI) were going by Roberta's reservation at DeSoto for 3 people. I think that they do count the people in the cars, but do we know for sure it was Brian?? The pics that we've seen of him at that spot (with his sister Cassie's 2 sons) could have been old. Who knows? I don't believe a word from any of them. I haven't seen any real actual confirmation of him being back to FL since his trip. I'd believe it if the North Port police had him come in for questioning, etc.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 14, 2021 5:32:30 GMT
I do agree, partially. He has the right to a fair trial. HOWEVER, so far it doesn't look too good for him considering that quite a few people saw him being enraged with Gabby and with a waitress and manager at a bar/restaurant. People reported seeing his violence towards Gabby to Police. The fact that he took her car and (supposedly) drove it back to FL should have been grand larceny. The van was registered to only Gabby. He was charged with stealing and using her credit card. And the fact that he fled and didn't face the charges against him OR help with the search for her seems to be telling (again, we can't assume).... About Moab: ...She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on???... ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! People have disputes; it appears none of the couple's violatility was recorded or confirmed (just like the parents' neighbors, eyewitnesses aren't reliable). None of us know the couple or the dynamics of their relationship. The UT police assessed the situation after spending an hour with them. While seated in the back of the police car, she spoke with her mom on the phone & was subsequently given possession of the van for the night (which she told them she didn't like to drive). It appears the only known person to express concern about their relationship during this incident was the female Arches National Park Ranger. The fiance used accounts (the federal warrant doesn't specify the owner(s), but her family claimed in an interview they were in her name) & drove the van (registered in her name) home like always since they lived together & supposedly shared assets. Authorities quickly established that he returned to FL alone in the van on 9/1 due to traffic cameras & GPS from the van impounded on 9/11. Given a federal warrant for his arrest was issued on 9/22 (five days after he was reported missing on 9/17 & nine days after he was allegedly last seen on 9/13) for "use of unauthorized access devices...which affected interstate commerce," evidence must exist that he accessed a Capital One debit card & two Capital One bank accounts to obtain $1K+ on 8/30 & 9/1 in several states (e.g. ATM cameras) which confirms he made that cross country trip. According to the police spokesperson, he's never been questioned by the authorities regarding her disappearance; rather, local police were referred to the family's attorney. It's my understanding that it wasn't until a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' address (details are unknown since the report is heavily redacted) on 9/10 (the day before her mom reported her missing, two days after his family returned from camping, & nine days after he came home solo in the van) that his family hired an attorney, who not surprisingly advised his clients to remain silent. If it was planned that he return home for his family's Labor Day camping trip, since she reportedly scheduled to meet & spend a few days with a friend on 8/29 to celebrate the friend's birthday in Yellowstone which is notorious for poor cell service, it likely didn't seem odd to his family (especially since he'd come home solo earlier in the trip) & he may not have realized she was missing until now. Likewise, it's possible he's actually missing. How far & long can even an experienced recreational hiker, used to sleeping in a van or hotel & eating in restaurants, last as a survivalist living completely off the land & fugitive being hunted by the FBI & other agencies? Why do you assume his parents are so heavily involved in her murder &/or have the means & connections for him to escape or navigate a foreign country as a fugitive OR suspect that he may be a serial killer!?!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 14, 2021 9:38:45 GMT
I do agree, partially. He has the right to a fair trial. HOWEVER, so far it doesn't look too good for him considering that quite a few people saw him being enraged with Gabby and with a waitress and manager at a bar/restaurant. People reported seeing his violence towards Gabby to Police. The fact that he took her car and (supposedly) drove it back to FL should have been grand larceny. The van was registered to only Gabby. He was charged with stealing and using her credit card. And the fact that he fled and didn't face the charges against him OR help with the search for her seems to be telling (again, we can't assume).... About Moab: ...She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on???... ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! People have disputes; it appears none of the couple's violatility was recorded or confirmed (just like the parents' neighbors, eyewitnesses aren't reliable). None of us know the couple or the dynamics of their relationship. The UT police assessed the situation after spending an hour with them. While seated in the back of the police car, she spoke with her mom on the phone & was subsequently given possession of the van for the night (which she told them she didn't like to drive). It appears the only known person to express concern about their relationship during this incident was the female Arches National Park Ranger. The fiance used accounts (the federal warrant doesn't specify the owner(s), but her family claimed in an interview they were in her name) & drove the van (registered in her name) home like always since they lived together & supposedly shared assets. Authorities quickly established that he returned to FL alone in the van on 9/1 due to traffic cameras & GPS from the van impounded on 9/11. Given a federal warrant for his arrest was issued on 9/22 (five days after he was reported missing on 9/17 & nine days after he was allegedly last seen on 9/13) for "use of unauthorized access devices...which affected interstate commerce," evidence must exist that he accessed a Capital One debit card & two Capital One bank accounts to obtain $1K+ on 8/30 & 9/1 in several states (e.g. ATM cameras) which confirms he made that cross country trip. According to the police spokesperson, he's never been questioned by the authorities regarding her disappearance; rather, local police were referred to the family's attorney. It's my understanding that it wasn't until a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' address (details are unknown since the report is heavily redacted) on 9/10 (the day before her mom reported her missing, two days after his family returned from camping, & nine days after he came home solo in the van) that his family hired an attorney, who not surprisingly advised his clients to remain silent. If it was planned that he return home for his family's Labor Day camping trip, since she reportedly scheduled to meet & spend a few days with a friend on 8/29 to celebrate the friend's birthday in Yellowstone which is notorious for poor cell service, it likely didn't seem odd to his family (especially since he'd come home solo earlier in the trip) & he may not have realized she was missing until now. Likewise, it's possible he's actually missing. How far & long can even an experienced recreational hiker, used to sleeping in a van or hotel & eating in restaurants, last as a survivalist living completely off the land & fugitive being hunted by the FBI & other agencies? Why do you assume his parents are so heavily involved in her murder &/or have the means & connections for him to escape or navigate a foreign country as a fugitive OR suspect that he may be a serial killer!?! Probably for the same reason you assume that they didn’t help him or that he’s not (yet) guilty. It’s human nature to try to put the puzzle pieces into place. She’s dead. He was the last known person to be with her. He said absolutely nothing as to why he had the van that was in her name, leaving her without a home/vehicle essentially stranded (or dead) where they had been traveling. Hired a lawyer right at the point her parents started worrying. Refused to say anything about her, location where he left her, what transpired. He Disappeared. And that was BEFORE she was found murdered. I think most assume he’s guilty because of his own actions and not because of “LE or ME fueling to the narrative” that he’s guilty. They report the facts as they’ve found them. In your own post quoted, to make assumption of his actions—just like everyone else is doing. It’s just a part of a “process” to make sense of things.
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 14, 2021 17:38:16 GMT
People have disputes; it appears none of the couple's violatility was recorded or confirmed (just like the parents' neighbors, eyewitnesses aren't reliable). None of us know the couple or the dynamics of their relationship. The UT police assessed the situation after spending an hour with them. While seated in the back of the police car, she spoke with her mom on the phone & was subsequently given possession of the van for the night (which she told them she didn't like to drive). It appears the only known person to express concern about their relationship during this incident was the female Arches National Park Ranger. The fiance used accounts (the federal warrant doesn't specify the owner(s), but her family claimed in an interview they were in her name) & drove the van (registered in her name) home like always since they lived together & supposedly shared assets. Authorities quickly established that he returned to FL alone in the van on 9/1 due to traffic cameras & GPS from the van impounded on 9/11. Given a federal warrant for his arrest was issued on 9/22 (five days after he was reported missing on 9/17 & nine days after he was allegedly last seen on 9/13) for "use of unauthorized access devices...which affected interstate commerce," evidence must exist that he accessed a Capital One debit card & two Capital One bank accounts to obtain $1K+ on 8/30 & 9/1 in several states (e.g. ATM cameras) which confirms he made that cross country trip. According to the police spokesperson, he's never been questioned by the authorities regarding her disappearance; rather, local police were referred to the family's attorney. It's my understanding that it wasn't until a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' address (details are unknown since the report is heavily redacted) on 9/10 (the day before her mom reported her missing, two days after his family returned from camping, & nine days after he came home solo in the van) that his family hired an attorney, who not surprisingly advised his clients to remain silent. If it was planned that he return home for his family's Labor Day camping trip, since she reportedly scheduled to meet & spend a few days with a friend on 8/29 to celebrate the friend's birthday in Yellowstone which is notorious for poor cell service, it likely didn't seem odd to his family (especially since he'd come home solo earlier in the trip) & he may not have realized she was missing until now. Likewise, it's possible he's actually missing. How far & long can even an experienced recreational hiker, used to sleeping in a van or hotel & eating in restaurants, last as a survivalist living completely off the land & fugitive being hunted by the FBI & other agencies? Why do you assume his parents are so heavily involved in her murder &/or have the means & connections for him to escape or navigate a foreign country as a fugitive OR suspect that he may be a serial killer!?! Probably for the same reason you assume that they didn’t help him or that he’s not (yet) guilty. It’s human nature to try to put the puzzle pieces into place. She’s dead. He was the last known person to be with her. He said absolutely nothing as to why he had the van that was in her name, leaving her without a home/vehicle essentially stranded (or dead) where they had been traveling. Hired a lawyer right at the point her parents started worrying. Refused to say anything about her, location where he left her, what transpired. He Disappeared. And that was BEFORE she was found murdered. I think most assume he’s guilty because of his own actions and not because of “LE or ME fueling to the narrative” that he’s guilty. They report the facts as they’ve found them. In your own post quoted, to make assumption of his actions—just like everyone else is doing. It’s just a part of a “process” to make sense of things. I don't assume that "he's not (yet) guilty." People in this country are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Given about half of homicides with a female victim are committed by partners, & manual strangulation is considered personal, the likely suspect is the fiance. The police report of a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' house on 9/10 is heavily redacted, so we have no idea what transpired & allegedly prompted the family to hire an attorney (or the dynamics of the various relationships - between his & her parents, the fiance & each of her parents, etc. - prior to this date). Him/his family exercising their right to have an attorney &/or follow his advice to remain silent does not equate to guilt. IMHO LE & ME have not merely report facts. For example, the ME stated in the official press conference that her death was "involved with domestic violence," which the FBI has not officially concluded, then later admitted in an interview that it was speculation. These things will only help the defense, should he be found alive, charged, & tried for her murder. It seems any case brought against him without a confession would be challenging as is, considering the time of death could not be pinpointed, his DNA would be expected on her body since they lived together, etc. Also, I don't assume his parents did or "didn't help him" since the public has no idea if he's actually on the run. Authorities incurring millions to search the preserve/park for a month suggests they believe he's there & appear to be targeting areas previously uninhabitable for recovery (perhaps since experts opine he likely wouldn't survive this long). Unlike others, I recognize the possibility he both told his parents that he was going to the preserve & actually went on a hike, but got injured, killed due to a fall/wildlife/etc, or a community watchman, like Zimmerman, decided to be judge, jury, & executioner. Given the public only knows basics about his parents, I wonder what makes @bergdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer! I hope the person responsible for her death is found & convicted as well as the other ~20K active missing person cases are solved.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 14, 2021 20:55:13 GMT
I think it is plausible that he came back home and lied to his parents about why she wasn’t with him or that it was planned to come back to go camping with them. He could have told his parents that she ran off with someone else or something of the like. They may have thought it was a bad breakup. Then her parents report her missing. At this point he had no idea that this was going to bring national attention and that there would be thousands of tik toks of people speculating which brought even more attention to the case where people that came in his path would speak out about these encounters. Now his parents start getting suspicious of him after seeing all these incidents involving him and start questioning his story and grilling him. He is feeling the pressure so he bolts from their house.
Two days ago I was convinced that his parents were helping him hide. Now I am not as confident. He clearly knows how to manipulate his way out of a situation as evident in the police encounter. He probably has a lifetime experience of pulling the wool over his parents eyes.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 14, 2021 22:52:43 GMT
Given the public only knows basics about his parents, I wonder what makes bergdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer! What on earth are you going on about? Are you jesting with exaggeration because if so you've done a poor job of it. You mentioned twice in each of your postings about Brian being a serial killer. No one has suggested that Brain is a serial killer. Obviously you are free to have your own opinion on this case. But if you want people to respect your opinion then don't hand slap the other Pea's opinions. Don't call out in your thread by name other Pea's especially someone like our beloved Bergdorgblonde who I think you owe an apology to.
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