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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 14, 2021 23:39:21 GMT
Given the public only knows basics about his parents, I wonder what makes bergdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer! What on earth are you going on about? Are you jesting with exaggeration because if so you've done a poor job of it. You mentioned twice in each of your postings about Brian being a serial killer. No one has suggested that Brain is a serial killer. Obviously you are free to have your own opinion on this case. But if you want people to respect your opinion then don't hand slap the other Pea's opinions. Don't call out in your thread by name other Pea's especially someone like our beloved Bergdorgblonde who I think you owe an apology to. Condescension & hypocrisy noted. Please read the thread. Given I quoted @bergdorfblonde, I'm obviously responding to & interested in her comment [bold is mine]: ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! |
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Post by birukitty on Oct 14, 2021 23:48:13 GMT
What on earth are you going on about? Are you jesting with exaggeration because if so you've done a poor job of it. You mentioned twice in each of your postings about Brian being a serial killer. No one has suggested that Brain is a serial killer. Obviously you are free to have your own opinion on this case. But if you want people to respect your opinion then don't hand slap the other Pea's opinions. Don't call out in your thread by name other Pea's especially someone like our beloved Bergdorgblonde who I think you owe an apology to. Condescension & hypocrisy noted. Please read the thread. Given I quoted @bergdorfblonde , I'm obviously responding to & interested in her comment [bold is mine]: ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! I already read your thread. I don't need to reread it-I have excellent reading comprehension. You didn't quote Berdorfblonde. You said, "Given the public only knows the basics about his parents, I wonder what makes berdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer!" |
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Post by mom on Oct 14, 2021 23:50:24 GMT
I do agree, partially. He has the right to a fair trial. HOWEVER, so far it doesn't look too good for him considering that quite a few people saw him being enraged with Gabby and with a waitress and manager at a bar/restaurant. People reported seeing his violence towards Gabby to Police. The fact that he took her car and (supposedly) drove it back to FL should have been grand larceny. The van was registered to only Gabby. He was charged with stealing and using her credit card. And the fact that he fled and didn't face the charges against him OR help with the search for her seems to be telling (again, we can't assume).... About Moab: ...She only defended him to the police out of fear. The police were so taken in by his personality, which amazes me! Aren't they trained to see what's really going on???... ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! (just like the parents' neighbors, eyewitnesses aren't reliable). None of us know the couple or the dynamics of their relationship. The UT police assessed the situation after spending an hour with them. While seated in the back of the police car, she spoke with her mom on the phone & was subsequently given possession of the van for the night (which she told them she didn't like to drive). It appears the only known person to express concern about their relationship during this incident was the female Arches National Park Ranger.
The fiance used accounts (the federal warrant doesn't specify the owner(s), but her family claimed in an interview they were in her name) & drove the van (registered in her name) home like always since they lived together & supposedly shared assets. Authorities quickly established that he returned to FL alone in the van on 9/1 due to traffic cameras & GPS from the van impounded on 9/11. Given a federal warrant for his arrest was issued on 9/22 (five days after he was reported missing on 9/17 & nine days after he was allegedly last seen on 9/13) for "use of unauthorized access devices...which affected interstate commerce," evidence must exist that he accessed a Capital One debit card & two Capital One bank accounts to obtain $1K+ on 8/30 & 9/1 in several states (e.g. ATM cameras) which confirms he made that cross country trip. According to the police spokesperson, he's never been questioned by the authorities regarding her disappearance; rather, local police were referred to the family's attorney. It's my understanding that it wasn't until a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' address (details are unknown since the report is heavily redacted) on 9/10 (the day before her mom reported her missing, two days after his family returned from camping, & nine days after he came home solo in the van) that his family hired an attorney, who not surprisingly advised his clients to remain silent. If it was planned that he return home for his family's Labor Day camping trip, since she reportedly scheduled to meet & spend a few days with a friend on 8/29 to celebrate the friend's birthday in Yellowstone which is notorious for poor cell service, it likely didn't seem odd to his family (especially since he'd come home solo earlier in the trip) & he may not have realized she was missing until now. Likewise, it's possible he's actually missing. How far & long can even an experienced recreational hiker, used to sleeping in a van or hotel & eating in restaurants, last as a survivalist living completely off the land & fugitive being hunted by the FBI & other agencies? Why do you assume his parents are so heavily involved in her murder &/or have the means & connections for him to escape or navigate a foreign country as a fugitive OR suspect that he may be a serial killer!?! Actually their volatility has been confirmed - a man called 911 after one of their fights and they saw Brian hit Gabby (Aug 12) and then when Brian was out of control in the restaurant, waitresses have come forward saying they saw it (Aug 27). Re: the family - have you looked into who his parents are? They are not just regular blue collar workers. They have assets. They have done next to nothing to help finding answers for Gabby and have done plenty to prevent answers from being found. Just because you only know the basics about his parents doesn't mean that others are in the same boat. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 15, 2021 0:11:40 GMT
Condescension & hypocrisy noted. Please read the thread. Given I quoted @bergdorfblonde , I'm obviously responding to & interested in her comment [bold is mine]: I already read your thread. I don't need to reread it-I have excellent reading comprehension. You didn't quote Berdorfblonde. You said, "Given the public only knows the basics about his parents, I wonder what makes berdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer!" Huh? This thread was started by gina on 9/14. My 2nd post on page 15 of this thread, where I first inquired about the suggestion he is a serial killer, included the quote excerpt from @bergdorfblonde noted above. My comment you continue to quote is obviously in response to her stating "Maybe he's done this before," suggesting he is a serial killer. Actually their volatility has been confirmed - a man called 911 after one of their fights and they saw Brian hit Gabby (Aug 12) and then when Brian was out of control in the restaurant, waitresses have come forward saying they saw it (Aug 27). Re: the family - have you looked into who his parents are? They are not just regular blue collar workers. They have assets. They have done next to nothing to help finding answers for Gabby and have done plenty to prevent answers from being found. Just because you only know the basics about his parents doesn't mean that others are in the same boat. Eyewitness accounts exist, but, just like the parents' FL neighbors who spotted him mowing the lawn & bike riding, they're not reliable & can be easily disputed unlike video which, surprisingly, neither the coop where the altercation occured nor the restaurant where the bill was in dispute had security cameras. I’m unaware of his parents’ socioeconomic status, only read they run a commercial juicing equipment business out of their relatively small home, so thanks for sharing they may have the financial ability to fund an escape. Anyone know if their business sells &/or ships internationally? |
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Post by birukitty on Oct 15, 2021 0:21:44 GMT
Huh? This thread was started by gina on 9/14. My 2nd post on page 15 of this thread, where I first inquired about the suggestion he is a serial killer, included the quote excerpt from bergdorfblonde noted above. My comment you continue to quote is obviously in response to her stating "Maybe he's done this before," suggesting he is a serial killer. You think the sentence "Maybe he's done this before" is the same thing as Bergdorfblonde and other Peas saying that Brian is a serial killer? Wow-what a stretch! It could have meant many things. Like maybe Brian has been in trouble before and his parents have covered up for him. Maybe they have covered up for him his entire life bailing him out of whatever trouble he's ever gotten into. For you to jump to serial killer based on one ambiguous comment makes as much sense to me as you defending Brain and his parents now. |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 15, 2021 0:34:47 GMT
Huh? This thread was started by gina on 9/14. My 2nd post on page 15 of this thread, where I first inquired about the suggestion he is a serial killer, included the quote excerpt from bergdorfblonde noted above. My comment you continue to quote is obviously in response to her stating "Maybe he's done this before," suggesting he is a serial killer. You think the sentence "Maybe he's done this before" is the same thing as Bergdorfblonde and other Peas saying that Brian is a serial killer? Wow-what a stretch! It could have meant many things. Like maybe Brian has been in trouble before and his parents have covered up for him. Maybe they have covered up for him his entire life bailing him out of whatever trouble he's ever gotten into. For you to jump to serial killer based on one ambiguous comment makes as much sense to me as you defending Brain and his parents now. I have no dog in this fight and honestly couldn’t care less but to be fair I interpreted that comment as serial killer as well. However, I have seen plenty of tik toks implying this theory so it wasn’t much of a stretch to make. These tik toks are because of the books Brian was reading, Lullaby and Annihilation. One is about a guy going on a murder spree and the other is about 3 out of 4 women go missing in an abandon area. Since 2 other women were murdered in an area that Brian had ties to is what has fueled this theory. So the serial killer commentary is out there so it is easy to understand why that comment was interpreted as such. You may not have interpreted it that way but this is a common theory that is out there. |
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Post by birukitty on Oct 15, 2021 1:20:41 GMT
You think the sentence "Maybe he's done this before" is the same thing as Bergdorfblonde and other Peas saying that Brian is a serial killer? Wow-what a stretch! It could have meant many things. Like maybe Brian has been in trouble before and his parents have covered up for him. Maybe they have covered up for him his entire life bailing him out of whatever trouble he's ever gotten into. For you to jump to serial killer based on one ambiguous comment makes as much sense to me as you defending Brain and his parents now. I have no dog in this fight and honestly couldn’t care less but to be fair I interpreted that comment as serial killer as well. However, I have seen plenty of tik toks implying this theory so it wasn’t much of a stretch to make. These tik toks are because of the books Brian was reading, Lullaby and Annihilation. One is about a guy going on a murder spree and the other is about 3 out of 4 women go missing in an abandon area. Since 2 other women were murdered in an area that Brian had ties to is what has fueled this theory. So the serial killer commentary is out there so it is easy to understand why that comment was interpreted as such. You may not have interpreted it that way but this is a common theory that is out there. I'm not on Tik Tok. I did read on websleuths.com for a few days but then gave up on it because it was moving too fast. The folks on websleuths.com discounted both the theory of the books having anything to do with Brian as far as giving him the idea to murder Gabby, and the idea that Brian had anything to do with the murder of the other two women. I've never heard one iota of anything regarding the term "serial killer" to identify Brian. I don't believe he is a serial killer. I believe he is an abusive partner who ended up killing his abused partner. I believe this based on the evidence I saw in the video of the police stop in Moab. I knew as I watched this video that Gabby was being abused by Brian. At that point we hadn't yet heard of the 911 calls by witnesses who'd seen the abuse taking place. We didn't yet know about Gabby telling the police that Brian had grabbed her face. I knew based on my experience as an abused wife of 7 years and I knew based on my therapy that was given to me after I left my ex. Many others knew too. John Walsh did. Experts on domestic violence did. Domestic violence doesn't ever get better. It always gets worse. The violence escalates and escalates. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 15, 2021 12:11:22 GMT
Probably for the same reason you assume that they didn’t help him or that he’s not (yet) guilty. It’s human nature to try to put the puzzle pieces into place. She’s dead. He was the last known person to be with her. He said absolutely nothing as to why he had the van that was in her name, leaving her without a home/vehicle essentially stranded (or dead) where they had been traveling. Hired a lawyer right at the point her parents started worrying. Refused to say anything about her, location where he left her, what transpired. He Disappeared. And that was BEFORE she was found murdered. I think most assume he’s guilty because of his own actions and not because of “LE or ME fueling to the narrative” that he’s guilty. They report the facts as they’ve found them. In your own post quoted, to make assumption of his actions—just like everyone else is doing. It’s just a part of a “process” to make sense of things. I don't assume that "he's not (yet) guilty." People in this country are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Given about half of homicides with a female victim are committed by partners, & manual strangulation is considered personal, the likely suspect is the fiance. The police report of a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' house on 9/10 is heavily redacted, so we have no idea what transpired & allegedly prompted the family to hire an attorney (or the dynamics of the various relationships - between his & her parents, the fiance & each of her parents, etc. - prior to this date). Him/his family exercising their right to have an attorney &/or follow his advice to remain silent does not equate to guilt. IMHO LE & ME have not merely report facts. For example, the ME stated in the official press conference that her death was "involved with domestic violence," which the FBI has not officially concluded, then later admitted in an interview that it was speculation. These things will only help the defense, should he be found alive, charged, & tried for her murder. It seems any case brought against him without a confession would be challenging as is, considering the time of death could not be pinpointed, his DNA would be expected on her body since they lived together, etc. Also, I don't assume his parents did or "didn't help him" since the public has no idea if he's actually on the run. Authorities incurring millions to search the preserve/park for a month suggests they believe he's there & appear to be targeting areas previously uninhabitable for recovery (perhaps since experts opine he likely wouldn't survive this long). Unlike others, I recognize the possibility he both told his parents that he was going to the preserve & actually went on a hike, but got injured, killed due to a fall/wildlife/etc, or a community watchman, like Zimmerman, decided to be judge, jury, & executioner. Given the public only knows basics about his parents, I wonder what makes @bergdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer! I hope the person responsible for her death is found & convicted as well as the other ~20K active missing person cases are solved. You ignored a huge point of my post. It’s human nature to speculate. The ME is allowed to speculate to some degree—it’s part of their job based in their years of training, experience, history. As for his own parents, they too have been extremely suspicious in their reported actions/behaviors. And in regards to those you’ve named here and their thoughts and speculation —it’s all part of the thought/discussion process here. You sound as if they’re forcing others to believe everything they type as gospel. I’m sure if you’d ask them they too will say that they also believe innocent until proven guilty. And right now, by most accounts (and given little of what we know), he looks guilty AF. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 15, 2021 12:14:04 GMT
What on earth are you going on about? Are you jesting with exaggeration because if so you've done a poor job of it. You mentioned twice in each of your postings about Brian being a serial killer. No one has suggested that Brain is a serial killer. Obviously you are free to have your own opinion on this case. But if you want people to respect your opinion then don't hand slap the other Pea's opinions. Don't call out in your thread by name other Pea's especially someone like our beloved Bergdorgblonde who I think you owe an apology to. Condescension & hypocrisy noted. Please read the thread. Given I quoted @bergdorfblonde, I'm obviously responding to & interested in her comment [bold is mine]: ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! See right here—bergdorfblonde is CLEARLY stating that it what SHE believes. No where does she make any claims that it’s gospel truth or documented fact. This isn’t doing what you think you’re doing— |
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 15, 2021 16:29:17 GMT
I don't assume that "he's not (yet) guilty." People in this country are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Given about half of homicides with a female victim are committed by partners, & manual strangulation is considered personal, the likely suspect is the fiance. The police report of a "public service incident" involving her dad at his parents' house on 9/10 is heavily redacted, so we have no idea what transpired & allegedly prompted the family to hire an attorney (or the dynamics of the various relationships - between his & her parents, the fiance & each of her parents, etc. - prior to this date). Him/his family exercising their right to have an attorney &/or follow his advice to remain silent does not equate to guilt. IMHO LE & ME have not merely report facts. For example, the ME stated in the official press conference that her death was "involved with domestic violence," which the FBI has not officially concluded, then later admitted in an interview that it was speculation. These things will only help the defense, should he be found alive, charged, & tried for her murder. It seems any case brought against him without a confession would be challenging as is, considering the time of death could not be pinpointed, his DNA would be expected on her body since they lived together, etc. Also, I don't assume his parents did or "didn't help him" since the public has no idea if he's actually on the run. Authorities incurring millions to search the preserve/park for a month suggests they believe he's there & appear to be targeting areas previously uninhabitable for recovery (perhaps since experts opine he likely wouldn't survive this long). Unlike others, I recognize the possibility he both told his parents that he was going to the preserve & actually went on a hike, but got injured, killed due to a fall/wildlife/etc, or a community watchman, like Zimmerman, decided to be judge, jury, & executioner. Given the public only knows basics about his parents, I wonder what makes @bergdorfblonde & others assume they are criminal masterminds whose 23 yo son is a serial killer! I hope the person responsible for her death is found & convicted as well as the other ~20K active missing person cases are solved. You ignored a huge point of my post. It’s human nature to speculate. The ME is allowed to speculate to some degree—it’s part of their job based in their years of training, experience, history. As for his own parents, they too have been extremely suspicious in their reported actions/behaviors. And in regards to those you’ve named here and their thoughts and speculation —it’s all part of the thought/discussion process here. You sound as if they’re forcing others to believe everything they type as gospel. I’m sure if you’d ask them they too will say that they also believe innocent until proven guilty. And right now, by most accounts (and given little of what we know), he looks guilty AF. Condescension & hypocrisy noted. Please read the thread. Given I quoted @bergdorfblonde , I'm obviously responding to & interested in her comment [bold is mine]: ...About neighbors (or 1??) seeing Brian mow the lawn, I don't know if I believe it. I'd love to hear solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip. Did the police see him in person and question him? I have a strong feeling that the Dad drove the van back and Brian never went home. The parents probably urged and helped him leave the country. Just a feeling....... Who knows? Maybe he's done this before. Hope we find out! See right here—bergdorfblonde is CLEARLY stating that it what SHE believes. No where does she make any claims that it’s gospel truth or documented fact. This isn’t doing what you think you’re doing— Huh? Obviously, this entire thread is speculation! I simply quoted & responded to posts (by @bergdorfblonde ); suggested the federal arrest warrant for "use of unauthorized access devices...which affected interstate commerce" on 8/30 & 9/1 was "solid proof that he ever came back to FL after their van trip;" noted the police had not questioned the fiance, according to the department spokesperson; & inquired about her "strong feelings" he may be a serial killer & his parents criminal masterminds. My only intent in participating in this (or any other) thread is discussion. |
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Post by gina on Oct 20, 2021 17:12:00 GMT
*bump*
Brian Laundrie's Belongings Found; Medical Examiner Called To Scene
Its all over every news channel right now.... Also reading it was his PARENTS who found his items? Whole thing continues to remain fishy.
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Post by christine58 on Oct 20, 2021 17:16:21 GMT
gina Per CNN: After a "brief search" off a trail Laundrie frequented, the family and law enforcement found "some articles" belonging to him, Bertolino said. He would not give any further information on what or how many items were found.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 20, 2021 17:33:50 GMT
If LE wasn’t with thin the whole time I would question the items. The park has been closed for a month snd they have been searching snd then they just go to a trail and find some of his things? Just like that.
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 20, 2021 17:42:43 GMT
Also reading it was his PARENTS who found his items? Whole thing continues to remain fishy. LEO were with the parents and the items were found off a trial. Like the parents gave LEO suggestions on where to look.  Why didn't they do this a month ago? ETA Realize now this area was underwater until recently, so makes sense to me why they went out today.  |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2021 17:43:47 GMT
Also reading it was his PARENTS who found his items? Whole thing continues to remain fishy. LEO were with the parents and the items were found off a trial. Like the parents gave LEO suggestions on where to look. Why didn't they do this a month ago? The dad did a couple of weeks ago. |
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Post by dewryce on Oct 20, 2021 17:45:50 GMT
Laurie, was he accompanied at the time?
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Post by papersilly on Oct 20, 2021 17:46:06 GMT
i'm sorry but if the cadaver dogs find no signs of human decay belonging to BL, i'm inclined to think that stuff was planted there to keep the goose chase going.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2021 17:47:35 GMT
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Post by kelbel827 on Oct 20, 2021 17:47:46 GMT
Am I missing something or does it seem like the parents knew about this the entire time? Coincidence that they found his items, knowing that he frequents that area.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2021 17:47:48 GMT
Laurie, was he accompanied at the time? Yes, same as this time. |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2021 17:53:57 GMT
I can’t make up my mind if I think he is dead or alive. I go back and forth on this part of the puzzle.
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Post by grammanisi on Oct 20, 2021 17:56:24 GMT
Human remains have been found.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 20, 2021 17:59:53 GMT
I don't trust the parents. They could have been out there any time.
When there is a body, we will know he is dead not before!!
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Post by christine58 on Oct 20, 2021 18:02:44 GMT
I think he’s dead and has been.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 20, 2021 18:19:59 GMT
Human remains have been found. wow. i can't imagine it being anyone else but him then. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 20, 2021 18:22:19 GMT
I saw on TikTok that they havent been searching in this part of the reserve, which is why they are just finding these items today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2021 18:23:22 GMT
Well I hope it isn't his body, I want him found alive and go to trial and prison.
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Post by essiejean on Oct 20, 2021 18:25:14 GMT
Human remains have been found. is there a link to this official update? |
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Post by Laurie on Oct 20, 2021 18:33:36 GMT
Human remains have been found. is there a link to this official update? I have only seen it on Fox News and NBC news so far. The coroner has been called in. |
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Post by PaperAngel on Oct 20, 2021 18:33:45 GMT
Human remains have been found. is there a link to this official update? |
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