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Post by myshelly on Sept 18, 2021 3:23:06 GMT
I don't understand how he can simply not talk to the police when a young women is missing and he was the last one with her. That’s what I think too. If it was something innocent - they had a fight and she took off, throwing the keys at him and telling him to F off or similar- why wouldn’t he tell the police his story. His not speaking speaks volumes to me. There is literally NOTHING good that can come out of him speaking to the police. Never talk to the police. There is no reason or incentive for him to do so and he is absolutely doing what I would do by not talking to them and hiring a lawyer. The police are not your friends. They are not there to help you. Don’t talk to them. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 3:58:38 GMT
I can see the scenario you’re saying Gennifer , save for 2 things. Her mental illness/breakdown and the fact that they were across the country from her home. Would her ex have left her, with her transportation, and not checked to make sure she made it home? Wouldn’t she want the vehicle when she got home? I try and remind myself that everyone’s life experience is different, I’m just having a hard time and can not fathom a partner leaving the other without transportation, across the country from their home, in a state of emergency with their mental health. Has there been anything stating if her mom left voicemail messages for him? They’re not married. They’re dating and in their 20s. Ugly breaks ups can and do happen and people are just DONE. Mental health issues or not, they can’t spend another minute together and literally just don’t care anymore. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t get it. Same for a friend. Geez, same for an acquaintance now that I really think about it. You don’t just leave someone alone who is in the middle of a mental health crisis. We’ve done better by people on the this board we’ve never met, even when we were a much younger group. At 22 years old would you have left someone in the middle of a mental health crisis alone, without transportation, across the country from home and family? The more I think about it the more the thought upsets me. And if you do, when you realize that they haven’t been heard from, you step up. Of course we don’t know what actually happened yet, just speaking on hypotheticals. |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 18, 2021 4:03:13 GMT
They’re not married. They’re dating and in their 20s. Ugly breaks ups can and do happen and people are just DONE. Mental health issues or not, they can’t spend another minute together and literally just don’t care anymore. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t get it. Same for a friend. Geez, same for an acquaintance now that I really think about it. You don’t just leave someone alone who is in the middle of a mental health crisis. We’ve done better by people on the this board we’ve never met, even when we were a much younger group. At 22 years old would you have left someone in the middle of a mental health crisis alone, without transportation, across the country from home and family? The more I think about it the more the thought upsets me. And if you do, when you realize that they haven’t been heard from, you step up. Of course we don’t know what actually happened yet, just speaking on hypotheticals. Even if *he* was in the middle of a mental health crisis? Even if she was abusing him? No pea on this board would fault a woman for walking away from a man who had hit her without making sure he gets home ok. Why do we have a different standard for a man? |
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2021 4:05:47 GMT
The problem with this is that it wasn't his van to drive back to Florida. Again, what would you expect them to do? They just broke up… should they ride back together, and continue fighting? Should she (a 22yo girl with no experience driving the van) drive it cross-country, on unfamiliar roads, by herself? If it was my daughter in that situation, I wouldn’t want her to do either of those. The most logical thing would be for him to drive the van home, and have her get a plane or bus ticket. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 4:07:25 GMT
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t get it. Same for a friend. Geez, same for an acquaintance now that I really think about it. You don’t just leave someone alone who is in the middle of a mental health crisis. We’ve done better by people on the this board we’ve never met, even when we were a much younger group. At 22 years old would you have left someone in the middle of a mental health crisis alone, without transportation, across the country from home and family? The more I think about it the more the thought upsets me. And if you do, when you realize that they haven’t been heard from, you step up. Of course we don’t know what actually happened yet, just speaking on hypotheticals. Even if *he* was in the middle of a mental health crisis? Even if she was abusing him? No pea on this board would fault a woman for walking away from a man who had hit her without making sure he gets home ok.Why do we have a different standard for a man? I would in this situation, at least a simple phone call to a family member to let them know what’s going on. Absolutely would. |
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Post by myshelly on Sept 18, 2021 4:09:02 GMT
Even if *he* was in the middle of a mental health crisis? Even if she was abusing him? No pea on this board would fault a woman for walking away from a man who had hit her without making sure he gets home ok.Why do we have a different standard for a man? I would in this situation, at least a simple phone call to a family member to let them know what’s going on. Absolutely would. That’s bizarre. |
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 18, 2021 4:11:07 GMT
The problem with this is that it wasn't his van to drive back to Florida. Again, what would you expect them to do? They just broke up… should they ride back together, and continue fighting? Should she (a 22yo girl with no experience driving the van) drive it cross-country, on unfamiliar roads, by herself? If it was my daughter in that situation, I wouldn’t want her to do either of those. The most logical thing would be for him to drive the van home, and have her get a plane or bus ticket. Or she flies home, the van is towed home, and he finds his own way home? You’re ready to believe she’s a domestic abuser yet you still think she can’t drive a freaking car? Or a family member or friend flies out and drives with her? |
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2021 4:16:33 GMT
Again, what would you expect them to do? They just broke up… should they ride back together, and continue fighting? Should she (a 22yo girl with no experience driving the van) drive it cross-country, on unfamiliar roads, by herself? If it was my daughter in that situation, I wouldn’t want her to do either of those. The most logical thing would be for him to drive the van home, and have her get a plane or bus ticket. Or she flies home, the van is towed home, and he finds his own way home? You’re ready to believe she’s a domestic abuser yet you still think she can’t drive a freaking car? Or a family member or friend flies out and drives with her? Where did I ever say I thought she was a domestic abuser? And, shit. A 30-mile tow costs a couple hundred dollars. I don’t even want to imagine the bill to tow a van from Wyoming to Florida! ETA: She said, herself, that she didn’t like to drive the van. But regardless of the car, I’d be concerned with my early-twenties daughter driving cross-country on her own. |
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 18, 2021 4:22:57 GMT
Or she flies home, the van is towed home, and he finds his own way home? You’re ready to believe she’s a domestic abuser yet you still think she can’t drive a freaking car? Or a family member or friend flies out and drives with her? Where did I ever say I thought she was a domestic abuser? And, shit. A 30-mile tow costs a couple hundred dollars. I don’t even want to imagine the bill to tow a van from Wyoming to Florida! ETA: She said, herself, that she didn’t like to drive the van. But regardless of the car, I’d be concerned with my early-twenties daughter driving cross-country on her own. Not an emergency tow; vehicles can be shipped. I can’t imagine my dd breaking up with someone and then just handing her vehicle over to them. Shit she wanted her box of “stuff” back within the hour. Different strokes different folks but it doesn’t make sense in many circles or people wouldn’t be so invested that somethings amiss. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 4:25:49 GMT
I would in this situation, at least a simple phone call to a family member to let them know what’s going on. Absolutely would. That’s bizarre. Bizarre that I would be concerned about someone, especially someone I had been engaged to and still cared enough about to travel cross country with, having a mental breakdown? I just call that decent. |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 4:32:29 GMT
Or she flies home, the van is towed home, and he finds his own way home? You’re ready to believe she’s a domestic abuser yet you still think she can’t drive a freaking car? Or a family member or friend flies out and drives with her? And, shit. A 30-mile tow costs a couple hundred dollars. I don’t even want to imagine the bill to tow a van from Wyoming to Florida! ETA: She said, herself, that she didn’t like to drive the van. But regardless of the car, I’d be concerned with my early-twenties daughter driving cross-country on her own. I think shellley is suggesting Gabby is, based on her slapping him when she was trying to climb through the window and slapping his arm while he was driving. Not having seen it, I can’t say if it’s considered abuse or not, but certainly not okay. And the police considered it a volatile enough situation to separate them for the evening. Haven’t read y’all’s posts and having thought about it, I really can see how they’d decide he would be the one to drive home; especially considering she said she didn’t like to drive the van and the safety issues a women driving alone cross country would encounter. |
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 18, 2021 4:33:45 GMT
I'm inclined to think he did something. I really have no idea. Hopefully, they are figuring out all the cell phone data quickly.
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2021 4:44:30 GMT
The fact that Brian is missing now really throws a kink in everything. Is he overcome with guilt? Worried about her? Spiraling and a danger to himself?
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Post by Gennifer on Sept 18, 2021 4:49:07 GMT
Where did I ever say I thought she was a domestic abuser? And, shit. A 30-mile tow costs a couple hundred dollars. I don’t even want to imagine the bill to tow a van from Wyoming to Florida! ETA: She said, herself, that she didn’t like to drive the van. But regardless of the car, I’d be concerned with my early-twenties daughter driving cross-country on her own. Not an emergency tow; vehicles can be shipped. I can’t imagine my dd breaking up with someone and then just handing her vehicle over to them. Shit she wanted her box of “stuff” back within the hour. Different strokes different folks but it doesn’t make sense in many circles or people wouldn’t be so invested that somethings amiss. I get what you’re saying. My daughter, who’s relationship recently ended, moved home with “her” vehicle that is actually in both their names. Her ex has “his” side-by-side that is in both their names. Her car insurance is with his, and her phone is on his family’s plan. We’re still in the process of getting all of these things worked out. A serious relationship leads to complicated breakups. It’s not always as simple as take a box home, particularly when you’re on an extended vacation when it happens. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 18, 2021 5:06:28 GMT
Even if a person drove away would you not stop and tell someone that a young women needed assistance?
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Post by used2scrap on Sept 18, 2021 5:18:48 GMT
Not an emergency tow; vehicles can be shipped. I can’t imagine my dd breaking up with someone and then just handing her vehicle over to them. Shit she wanted her box of “stuff” back within the hour. Different strokes different folks but it doesn’t make sense in many circles or people wouldn’t be so invested that somethings amiss. I get what you’re saying. My daughter, who’s relationship recently ended, moved home with “her” vehicle that is actually in both their names. Her ex has “his” side-by-side that is in both their names. Her car insurance is with his, and her phone is on his family’s plan. We’re still in the process of getting all of these things worked out. A serious relationship leads to complicated breakups. It’s not always as simple as take a box home, particularly when you’re on an extended vacation when it happens. True But the legal situation is far different with vehicles/insurance/phones in both names vs a single name. I can’t imagine a scenario where two guys get into it physically and the one not on the title legally drives off with the vehicle not in their name. Just not happening. Maybe she’s the problem here, maybe he is...but the just drive off in her vehicle with no questions asked or info where she is just isn’t ok. If she really couldn’t drive and turned the van over, there should be a paper trail, a text stream, a voice mail or something. Heck if she owned the van and said he could take it, but calls the same day to cancel insurance or report it stolen, what recourse does he have? Surely he’d be saying she handed me the keys in BOISE and told me to drive it home to her parents. Or that crazy chick threw an ax at me so I drove off in the van and didn’t look back for three days. Instead of refusing to answer anything about how the van came into his possession. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 18, 2021 5:44:37 GMT
used2scrapI did do that when no so dh at the time, did not come home with the vehicle. I gave him time, reported it to the police, filed papers with the court, cancelled the insurance. Authorized a repo, got my car back, $$$. Haven't seen him since he took the car.
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Post by busy on Sept 18, 2021 5:46:50 GMT
They’re not married. They’re dating and in their 20s. Ugly breaks ups can and do happen and people are just DONE. Mental health issues or not, they can’t spend another minute together and literally just don’t care anymore. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t get it. Same for a friend. Geez, same for an acquaintance now that I really think about it. You don’t just leave someone alone who is in the middle of a mental health crisis. We’ve done better by people on the this board we’ve never met, even when we were a much younger group. At 22 years old would you have left someone in the middle of a mental health crisis alone, without transportation, across the country from home and family? The more I think about it the more the thought upsets me. And if you do, when you realize that they haven’t been heard from, you step up. Of course we don’t know what actually happened yet, just speaking on hypotheticals. I would not. Most people would not. It would be wrong and unkind to do so. But some people would and that doesn’t say good things about their character, it doesn’t necessarily make them capable of murder. |
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Post by sunnyd on Sept 18, 2021 6:53:35 GMT
So now the boyfriend is "missing"? And he has been "missing" since Tuesday? And his parents just reported that he is missing today, Friday? So his parents gave him a 3 day head start to flee the country before they notified police that he is missing? That's not suspicious at all.  |
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 7:11:50 GMT
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, I just don’t get it. Same for a friend. Geez, same for an acquaintance now that I really think about it. You don’t just leave someone alone who is in the middle of a mental health crisis. We’ve done better by people on the this board we’ve never met, even when we were a much younger group. At 22 years old would you have left someone in the middle of a mental health crisis alone, without transportation, across the country from home and family? The more I think about it the more the thought upsets me. And if you do, when you realize that they haven’t been heard from, you step up. Of course we don’t know what actually happened yet, just speaking on hypotheticals. I would not. Most people would not. It would be wrong and unkind to do so. But some people would and that doesn’t say good things about their character, it doesn’t necessarily make them capable of murder. I agree completely, as I said earlier it might just make him an asshole. But I did find it suspect. And while I understand the points (in other posts) about not saying anything to the police as a way to protect yourself…a young woman’s life is likely in danger so I think he should definitely work with his lawyers to answer some questions that could help locate her. “When we parted she was at this location,” at the minimum. But everything I’ve read said he has refused to speak with law enforcement at all. Even if he is completely innocent of wrong-doing and simply showed bad judgement, which is certainly a possibility even if statistically unlikely, it really bothers me that when he was contacted about her location and spoke with his lawyers they provided no information. |
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Post by elaine on Sept 18, 2021 14:07:16 GMT
Or she flies home, the van is towed home, and he finds his own way home? You’re ready to believe she’s a domestic abuser yet you still think she can’t drive a freaking car? Or a family member or friend flies out and drives with her? Where did I ever say I thought she was a domestic abuser? And, shit. A 30-mile tow costs a couple hundred dollars. I don’t even want to imagine the bill to tow a van from Wyoming to Florida! ETA: She said, herself, that she didn’t like to drive the van. But regardless of the car, I’d be concerned with my early-twenties daughter driving cross-country on her own. I drove from California to Ohio and back by myself at least once per year, sometimes twice, when I was in my early 20’s and going to Ohio State for grad school. The second time I drove a huge Ford Econoline van (bigger than hers) with all my stuff; I was 23. The year before, when I was 22, I drove all the way out to look over Ohio State and the other grad programs I applied to before deciding where to go. Driving a van is not that hard. Nor is driving on interstates. She may not have liked driving the van, but I’d guess that she’d rather drive it than be left without transportation over 1000 miles from home. 22 years old is not a child. I have a hard time with the notion that because they were in their early 20’s that it is somehow reasonable that he left her because they supposedly broke up (according to him) and refuses to let anyone know where he left her. What is the magic age where one can expect young adults to act with minimal responsibility? |
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Post by disneypal on Sept 18, 2021 14:41:54 GMT
So now the boyfriend is "missing"? And he has been "missing" since Tuesday? And his parents just reported that he is missing today, Friday? So his parents gave him a 3 day head start to flee the country before they notified police that he is missing? That's not suspicious at all. That was my thought as well |
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Post by johnnysmom on Sept 18, 2021 14:42:51 GMT
Everyone is stuck on this being “her car”. When dh & I were young, engaged and living together we bought a truck. We put it in my name because to get insurance you had to have a car and he already had a car his parents gifted him as a teen. While the truck was in my name it was his in every other way…..he was the daily driver, he gassed it up, he drove it when we went out together. The only thing I did was renew the plates. If anyone beyond the state asked who’s car it was we would have said it was his.
While the rest of the story seems a bit fishy that part doesn’t bother me in the least. I’m also hesitant to assume it was him because the last time I assumed it was the boyfriend (a local story that makes national news) I was wrong in a very big way.
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Post by nicolep on Sept 18, 2021 16:09:56 GMT
Just listened to a girl on tiktok claiming that she and her boyfriend picked up Brian Laundrie, wearing a backpack, long sleeves, hiking pants, asking for a ride 10 miles down the road and offered to pay them $200 for the ride. She claims they picked him up at Coulter Bay in Grand Tetons National Park on August 29 at 5:30pm. He wanted a ride to "Jackson" and as they talked awhile, mentioning that he had been camping multiple days without his fiance while she was working on her social media at her van. She claims he suddenly asked to be let out before they reached Jackson at 6:09pm. she says she has given the tip to authorities and has several videos with maps, more details. Her name on tiktok is @mirandabaker_ So weird to live in time where there are so many tips and theories are appearing through social media, like when CNN first became a thing with round the clock news, only way more so these days. I also just read about this in this NY Post article. nypost.com/2021/09/17/tiktoker-says-she-picked-up-brian-laundrie-hitchhiking-in-grand-teton/amp/ |
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Post by hopemax on Sept 18, 2021 16:16:55 GMT
I'm only paying attention to this because of this thread, and one on another forum. No outside details.
The impression, I am getting is along the lines of unfortunate escalating circumstances, compounded by both of their mental illnesses.
A fight that gets out of control that results in her accidental death. Could have been instigated by either, by the sounds of things.
A fight that gets out of control, she storms off or he left and when he goes back she's not where he left her. He assumes she hitched a ride, and will come back to the van in a couple hours. She doesn't. He assumes she hooked up with someone, but she'll come back in a couple days. She doesn't. He assumes she got herself back home and finds out she hasn't been in contact with anyone, and now he's up a creek because of how bad it all looks.
I don't get he intentionally intended to kill her, which makes this one different from a lot of these types of stories.
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Post by refugeepea on Sept 18, 2021 16:17:33 GMT
It's interesting, but at the same time I'm annoyed that she went public, if true. It just seems in poor taste. This case isn't cold or anything. |
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 18, 2021 16:25:29 GMT
I would in this situation, at least a simple phone call to a family member to let them know what’s going on. Absolutely would. I would, but we are talking about two people dealing with mental health issues. And I am still willing to believe he didn't leave with malicious intent. He may have left for another agreed cooling off and returned. They decided she would fly/bus home to Florida or to her mom and he would drive the van. He may have arrived in Florida expecting her to meet him and didn't want to answer her family's questions until she showed up.  The fact that Brian is missing now really throws a kink in everything. Is he overcome with guilt? Worried about her? Spiraling and a danger to himself? I'm leaning to all of the above.  22 years old is not a child. I have a hard time with the notion that because they were in their early 20’s that it is somehow reasonable that he left her because they supposedly broke up (according to him) and refuses to let anyone know where he left her. What is the magic age where one can expect young adults to act with minimal responsibility? I have a young person with OCD and anxiety in my life. They don't respond to stressful situations in the same way I do. They just don't. And now he is following the advise of a lawyer. I also don't think there is any nefarious about him driving the car home. It was a vehicle they bought together for the trip. It may be in her name only simply because, at their ages, insurance is cheaper. |
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Post by Laurie on Sept 18, 2021 16:36:09 GMT
The fact that Brian is missing now really throws a kink in everything. Is he overcome with guilt? Worried about her? Spiraling and a danger to himself? I was leaning towards this but then you would think his parents would have alerted the police sooner as an endangered person. |
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Post by grammanisi on Sept 18, 2021 16:39:29 GMT
He loved her enough to get engaged. Yet, he would leave her far away from family and friends, by herself, and not look back?
I would assume they have friends in North Port, yet he was home for 10 days and no one saw him or her vehicle and wondered where she was?
Where are her things? Personal items, clothes, shoes?
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 18, 2021 16:41:47 GMT
From the article: A quick look at Google maps tells me Jackson and Jackson Hole are two different places. If he thought they were heading south to Jackson and realized they were heading north to Jackson Hole, I'm not surprised he got agitated and wanted out of the vehicle. |
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