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Post by tryingtobewise on Sept 18, 2021 18:32:27 GMT
I have not watched the Tik Tok but I don’t know many women who pick up hitch hikers.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 18, 2021 18:39:37 GMT
I have not watched the Tik Tok but I don’t know many women who pick up hitch hikers. I thought the same but was with her boyfriend.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 18, 2021 19:43:32 GMT
I watched part of the video-the one where the police pulled them over and spoke to Gabby and Brian while keeping them apart. I couldn't watch the whole thing because the traffic noise was so loud and annoying. Anyway, Gabby was NOT sobbing uncontrollably and unable to talk to the police. Watch it yourself and see what I mean. She sounds like a bright young woman as she explains what happened. She is tearful but she is able to talk. She admits she has OCD and anxiety. Brian says she yanked on the steering wheel, she says she did not. She says she did was punch him in the arm when she saw they were getting pulled over while saying, "You idiot, see what you did?" He was speeding. I can see myself doing that, although I wouldn't. It sounds like a natural reaction to me.
He has superficial scratches on his face and arms. To me they seem like defensive wounds. In my gut after listening to him talking to the police and watching his body language I believe he was abusing her and not just on this trip but for awhile. When Gabby is asked if Brain hit her she says no. This is normal for an abused partner. She knew if she admitted it he'd go off on her even worse once they were alone. He admits that earlier on the trip he'd locked her out of her van, pocketed the keys, and told her to go for a walk to cool down her anxiety, and he'd go for a walk in the other direction-and he went. He admitted this to the police in the video. That's control. You can't force someone who has anxiety to lower that anxiety-it doesn't work that way. Control is a huge part of domestic violence.
He comes home with her van (without her) and doesn't report her missing for 10 days. Huge red flag. He lawyers up and doesn't contribute at all with the search for her or by talking to the police-his choice. Nor does he say a word to her family. The police get the van to search and the day they search the house we find out he's been gone for the last 3 days. Even bigger huge red flag! He could be out of the country by now and in a country without an extradition agreement (is that the right world)?
Anyway, that is where my thoughts are. Yes I know domestic violence does happen to men. I know it can happen both ways in a relationship. Or it can just happen from female to male. But I'm sorry, that's not what my gut is telling me here, or my experience, or when I add up all of the red flags. Read the posts that were posted after the police video.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 18, 2021 21:01:10 GMT
The police didn't just pull them over because of speeding/erratic driving. They were responding to the 911 call.
There was a witness to their interaction outside the Moonflower Community Co-op in Moab concerned enough by what he saw to call 911.
In the Moab police report, Brian is described as the victim and Gabby as the suspect.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 18, 2021 21:04:44 GMT
He comes home with her van (without her) and doesn't report her missing for 10 days. Huge red flag. He lawyers up and doesn't contribute at all with the search for her or by talking to the police-his choice. Nor does he say a word to her family. The police get the van to search and the day they search the house we find out he's been gone for the last 3 days. Even bigger huge red flag! He could be out of the country by now and in a country without an extradition agreement (is that the right world)? I agree with this. I don’t think he ever reported her missing though, I believe her family did. If I were to guess, I think they got into an argument & physical altercation & he unintentionally killed her & panicked. He went home & told his parents, who hired a lawyer for him. The lawyer, maybe knowing the truth or even not, advises him not to speak to anyone ( the police, her family, even his own sister). Three days ago, his parents either helped him get out of the country and waited to give him time to get to his destination before reporting he was gone OR he left on his own because of the guilt and he has perhaps gone off to end his own life. It seems pretty clear she is no longer alive -I just hope her body is recovered for her family’s sake. 😞
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Post by birukitty on Sept 18, 2021 21:16:58 GMT
The police didn't just pull them over because of speeding/erratic driving. They were responding to the 911 call. There was a witness to their interaction outside the Moonflower Community Co-op in Moab concerned enough by what he saw to call 911. In the Moab police report, Brian is described as the victim and Gabby as the suspect. You are correct. My mistake.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 18, 2021 21:22:23 GMT
Just read an article online by ABC news about Brian being missing. His parents are reporting that he said he was going to a massive preserve near their home which he would frequent for hiking-Carlton Preserve which is more than 24,000 acres. He's been missing for 4 days. More than 50 police are searching this preserve.
A lawyer for her family stated, "All of Gabby's family want the world to know that Brian is not missing, he is hiding. Gabby is missing."
What is odd is that Brian's vehicle was at the reserve and was then found again at the family home but when pressed as to who or how the car would have gotten back without a sign of Brian, the spokesperson said, "We are going by the family's word."
I think the family (his parents) are covering up for him and have since he returned from the trip with Gabby.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 18, 2021 21:23:27 GMT
He comes home with her van (without her) and doesn't report her missing for 10 days. Huge red flag. He lawyers up and doesn't contribute at all with the search for her or by talking to the police-his choice. Nor does he say a word to her family. The police get the van to search and the day they search the house we find out he's been gone for the last 3 days. Even bigger huge red flag! He could be out of the country by now and in a country without an extradition agreement (is that the right world)? I agree with this. I don’t think he ever reported her missing though, I believe her family did. If I were to guess, I think they got into an argument & physical altercation & he unintentionally killed her & panicked. He went home & told his parents, who hired a lawyer for him. The lawyer, maybe knowing the truth or even not, advises him not to speak to anyone ( the police, her family, even his own sister). Three days ago, his parents either helped him get out of the country and waited to give him time to get to his destination before reporting he was gone OR he left on his own because of the guilt and he has perhaps gone off to end his own life. It seems pretty clear she is no longer alive -I just hope her body is recovered for her family’s sake. 😞 You are right. Her family reported her missing, Brian never did.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 18, 2021 21:28:28 GMT
He's been gone for 3 days and his family just call the police today. That's fucked up. So he was free to travel anywhere, including leaving the country. Also, her family has put out a statement that SHE is missing, HE is not (or something to that effect). ETA: birukitty had the correct quote: A lawyer for her family stated, "All of Gabby's family want the world to know that Brian is not missing, he is hiding. Gabby is missing." ETA: they were living together, at his parents house, so I assume that is also why the police were allowed to go in, and then found out he hasn't been there.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 18, 2021 22:40:43 GMT
I bet he's dead in that preserve in Florida. I think she's dead also...
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Post by juanita on Sept 18, 2021 23:27:55 GMT
This whole case just get more bizarre and is one you can't stop looking at!!
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Post by ~summer~ on Sept 18, 2021 23:32:03 GMT
I would agree I bet they are both dead which is very sad. Though a tiny part of my brain keeps wondering if this is just a giant publicity.
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Post by beachbum on Sept 18, 2021 23:45:21 GMT
The local news channels have all been blowing up my phone all day - I live about 15 miles from North Port where the couple lives and 12 miles from Carlton Reserve (where they are searching for Brian). I really don't know what to think, but it seems pretty strange that he was 'missing' from his parents' house for 3 days and they didn't let anyone (like the police) know. I hope we do finally find out what really happened.
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Post by gina on Sept 19, 2021 0:24:50 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed.....
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Post by kluski on Sept 19, 2021 0:41:26 GMT
I would agree I bet they are both dead which is very sad. Though a tiny part of my brain keeps wondering if this is just a giant publicity.This. I totally thought this was a skit to gain viewers for her blog. I pray the parents get their answers.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 19, 2021 1:02:34 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... Something that bothered me with this possibility is the other van that was found at the campgrounds, it had items of the murdered women, including mail. That detail only I’d think it was maybe just stolen, even if odd they had so much mail in the vehicle. But they didn't mention knowing where the owner of that van was. And it also had newspaper clippings and one other item, which escapes me right now, that I thought it was odd that they mentioned.
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Post by katlady on Sept 19, 2021 1:50:15 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... So they both saw/heard/did something and they are now in both in hiding? Why didn't they hide together so they would both be "missing"? This entire thing is so odd. I hope we find out some truths soon.
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Post by beachbum on Sept 19, 2021 2:22:28 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... The local news here is saying "Gabby Petito disappearance not related to Utah couple’s murder, deputies say" link
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Post by theshyone on Sept 19, 2021 9:40:11 GMT
This couple thinks they have footage of the white van from the 27th in the Spread creek area. youtu.be/PBp3aNAGuFMChannel is Red white and Bethune I’m not sure about all the stickers on the back though are the same. Tabby’s father said early on he feared if Brian was pushed too hard that they would never find Gabby, I assumed that to mean they knew brian had mental health issues and might suicide.
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Post by theshyone on Sept 19, 2021 9:41:19 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... Something that bothered me with this possibility is the other van that was found at the campgrounds, it had items of the murdered women, including mail. That detail only I’d think it was maybe just stolen, even if odd they had so much mail in the vehicle. But they didn't mention knowing where the owner of that van was. And it also had newspaper clippings and one other item, which escapes me right now, that I thought it was odd that they mentioned. What other van? Which campgrounds?
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Post by dewryce on Sept 19, 2021 13:41:59 GMT
Something that bothered me with this possibility is the other van that was found at the campgrounds, it had items of the murdered women, including mail. That detail only I’d think it was maybe just stolen, even if odd they had so much mail in the vehicle. But they didn't mention knowing where the owner of that van was. And it also had newspaper clippings and one other item, which escapes me right now, that I thought it was odd that they mentioned. What other van? Which campgrounds? At the campgrounds where the murdered women were found. I’ll do a quick look and see if I can find the article, I think it was one posted on this thread. kutv.com/news/local/warrants-in-moab-murders-reveal-second-vehicle-multiple-gunshots-creepy-man-drugs
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 19, 2021 16:12:50 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... For some reason the hiding in grandma's basement doesn't surprise me if true. Gabby had such a carefully curated image of carefree perfection that, if she is in grandma's basement, it is going to be so hard to come forward and deal with SM turning on her. I am having a harder time connecting them to a murder. Something that bothered me with this possibility is the other van that was found at the campgrounds, it had items of the murdered women, including mail. That detail only I’d think it was maybe just stolen, even if odd they had so much mail in the vehicle. But they didn't mention knowing where the owner of that van was. And it also had newspaper clippings and one other item, which escapes me right now, that I thought it was odd that they mentioned. From this article, the Econoline van belonged to the murdered couple and was found in the McDonald's parking lot where one worked.
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Post by PaperAngel on Sept 19, 2021 16:21:09 GMT
People are innocent until proven guilty in this country. Given the search remains a “missing person investigation,” there’s no evidence a crime has even been committed! Yet, it seems the court of public opinion has already convicted him.
I hope authorities find both of them - & the other two hikers reported missing in WY - alive & well. My thoughts are with the families of all missing persons, including those whose names are unknown; I hope their loved ones are returned home safe & sound.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 19, 2021 16:25:37 GMT
This couple thinks they have footage of the white van from the 27th in the Spread creek area. That looks like a good hit. I'm assuming the pool of white Transit vans with Florida plates is pretty small and investigators will be able to enhance it to get a good read on the license plate.
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Post by sunny1016 on Sept 19, 2021 18:29:57 GMT
This couple thinks they have footage of the white van from the 27th in the Spread creek area. That looks like a good hit. I'm assuming the pool of white Transit vans with Florida plates is pretty small and investigators will be able to enhance it to get a good read on the license plate. That's 100% their van. If you watch the police body cam and the YT video they both have the same exact hat on the dashboard. Now what that means I'm not sure. Other than pinpointing another last whereabout. Her last verified contact with her family was on the 25th in Grand Teton park, supposedly leaving the park for Yellowstone. He was picked up by that tiktocker still in the same park on the 29th. Four days after she told her family they were headed out. They didn't seem to stay in one place for more than 2 days. The family received texts on the 27th and 29th but do not believe they were from her. I think she was killed on the 27th or night of 26th. And I think the police need to head to that area from the YT video.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 19, 2021 19:29:01 GMT
There's speculation on LI (obv all hearsay but something did come from a more reputable source) that she's up here in hiding in her grandma's basement. And it has to do with that couple that was found murdered. I think this case may not be at all what it originally seemed..... For some reason the hiding in grandma's basement doesn't surprise me if true. Gabby had such a carefully curated image of carefree perfection that, if she is in grandma's basement, it is going to be so hard to come forward and deal with SM turning on her. I am having a harder time connecting them to a murder. Something that bothered me with this possibility is the other van that was found at the campgrounds, it had items of the murdered women, including mail. That detail only I’d think it was maybe just stolen, even if odd they had so much mail in the vehicle. But they didn't mention knowing where the owner of that van was. And it also had newspaper clippings and one other item, which escapes me right now, that I thought it was odd that they mentioned. From this article, the Econoline van belonged to the murdered couple and was found in the McDonald's parking lot where one worked. I really hope Gabby is hiding in her grandmother's basement and that she is still alive. But why then hasn't she contacted her father and let him know that she is still alive? Her father is on national news begging for help to find his daughter. He is devastated and so is her family. This just doesn't ring true to me.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 19, 2021 19:45:52 GMT
My theory is that Brian isn't missing, he isn't dead and he isn't in that nature preserve. His parents have been covering for him since he returned from the west with Gabby's van. They and his lawyer didn't tell anyone he was gone for 4 days which gave him time to hide wherever he wanted to (it was enough time to go out of he country) and they probably figured the noose was tightening-with the FBI in on the case they'd pull Brian in for questioning sooner rather than later. There is a reason he's behaved this way since he got back from the trip out west with the van without Gabby and won't talk to her family. Maybe he's innocent. I don't know. Only he knows this. But in my opinion innocent people don't act this way.
I hope Gabby is still alive somewhere. I really do-for her and for her family. I want to be wrong about my theories more than anything. If Brian has fled and can't be found we might not know the answer to where Gabby is for a long time if search and rescue can't find her. It reminds me of the case of Natalee Holloway years ago in Aruba. Does anyone remember that case? It happened in 2005 and the prime suspect was/is Joran van der Sloot. Sadly there wasn't enough evidence to convict him so he got away with it. For years he teased her mother that he'd tell her where Natalee's body was, led her on wild goose chases and then at the last minute wouldn't tell her a thing. In 2010 he killed another young woman in Peru and was caught and convicted. I hope so much that what happened to Natalee's mother doesn't happen to Gabby's parents if Brian killed her and if he stays in hiding for a long time.
Yes, I'm assuming and theorizing a lot. I know that. If I'm right I would hope that Brian's parents could be brought in for questioning and be charged with something (obscuring justice?) but because Brian isn't a suspect yet and is only a person of interest in this case I don't think that can be applied yet.
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 19, 2021 20:06:29 GMT
And I think the police need to head to that area from the YT video. Looks like they are on it. SM reports that the camping area has been closed and LE is on the scene.
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Post by yinzer on Sept 19, 2021 21:18:34 GMT
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Post by yinzer on Sept 19, 2021 21:20:07 GMT
The FBI will be conducting a news conference today at 4 pm MDT
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