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Post by alismyhart on Oct 8, 2021 17:28:03 GMT
That seems like quid pro quo. kwim? |
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Post by alitheia on Oct 8, 2021 17:43:43 GMT
This is a proven vaccine, in use for almost a year now, proven to be extremely effective for all groups, with the exception of the immumocompromised, who need herd immunity to protect them more fully. Im a big supporter of mandates for people who cant just be decent human beings who care about those around them. For much of the unvaccinated I don't think it's that they aren't being decent human beings. How many of them already had Covid and already have the antibodies? The question shouldn't be 'are you vaccinated?' It should be 'do you have antibodies?' For those who have had Covid-19, even before vaccines were available most likely have a better immunity to Covid,
Interesting facts: Obesity can triple the chance of hospitalization from Covid
and 9 out of 10 pediatric hospitilized patients with Covid are obese, and we all know that obesity has increased during Covid for our kids, besides their mental health decline.
I would rather believe that we can all be decent human beings and not be labelled because of our political party OR our vaccination status. FYI, I am vaccinated, did so when educators were eligible very early in the game in my state.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 8, 2021 17:56:07 GMT
Public health mitigations still say that your "personal decisions" don't always align with the need for wide scale protection. Again... this is why we don't allow people to shit in the street. Public health means some decisions are made at a larger level than you and your online America's Frontline doctor. Q-anon BS-spouting wacky aunt/friend/acquaintance on Facebook. there- fixed that for you, Sock. I may have had the flu a year or two ago, but I will still get THIS year's flu vaccine. I had a tetanus shot years ago but I will get a booster since it's been quite a few years. IT'S THE SAME THING. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 8, 2021 19:18:29 GMT
Getting my flu shot Tuesday. Will get Booster a few weeks after.
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Post by gar on Oct 8, 2021 19:25:07 GMT
For much of the unvaccinated I don't think it's that they aren't being decent human beings. How many of them already had Covid and already have the antibodies? The question shouldn't be 'are you vaccinated?' It should be 'do you have antibodies?' Thank you for pointing this out. I agree 100%. Except it’s not as simple as that…as been pointed out. |
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Post by hop2 on Oct 8, 2021 20:02:11 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 9, 2021 4:12:12 GMT
www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Vaccination-Requirements-Report.pdfThe rationale is simple: Vaccination requirements work. They drive up vaccination rates, which in turn makes our communities and schools safer, and strengthens our economic recovery. That is why they are widely supported—and becoming the standard across the country. Health care providers and states have adopted requirements for a simple reason— vaccination requirements work. At Houston Methodist, out of 25,000 employees, 98% got vaccinated.9 Trinity Health, one of the largest Catholic health care systems in the nation, went from 75% to 96% of its 123,000 employees vaccinated and in compliance. Henry Ford Health System in Detroit went from 68% vaccinated to 98% of its workforce vaccinated or in compliance. Two of the largest health systems in North Carolina, UNC Health and Novant Health, reached 97% and 99% staff vaccination rates respectively after implementing a vaccination requirement.11 In New York, 92% of employees at hospitals and nursing homes received a shot by the September 29 state-wide deadline to do so, a major increase from just a week earlier—when only 82% of nursing home employees had received a shot. Importantly, vaccination requirements have not led to widespread resignations, as some predicted. At Houston Methodist, the hospital lost only 153 out of 25,000 employees.13 A rural health system in Kentucky, St. Claire Healthcare, lost less than 4% of their 1,100 employees. Novant Health in North Carolina suspended only about 375 of its over 35,000 employees for failing to get vaccinated.14 200 of those suspended employees decided to get vaccinated so they could return to their jobs.15 Maine’s two largest health care providers, MaineHealth and NorthernLight, lost only 65 out of 33,000 employees.16 Medical University of South Carolina Health had to let go only five of its more than 17,000 employees for failing to comply with their requirement.17 At Hanceville Nursing & Rehab Center in Alabama, six of 250 workers quit rather than get a shot. Only five of 527 employees quit at Jewish Home Family in New Jersey, and only two of 250 employees left at Westminster Village in Illinois. 18 Health care worker vaccination requirements have been shown to work time and time again. They boost vaccination rates and result in limited resignations and dismissals. They are an essential tool to help protect U.S. patients and health care personnel.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 9, 2021 4:35:35 GMT
Please don’t tell me we have to explain the vaccine-is-better-than-“natural”-immunity thing AGAIN, do we? Look, if you folks want to kill off your old people and fat people and, especially, kids  … well, go for it, I guess. But don’t be surprised when we don’t want you working in close quarters with us, don’t want you infecting OUR old people and fat people and children, don’t want you needlessly taking up precious space in the ER and ICU, and keep bugging you to quit presenting specious arguments and just get the damn vaccine already. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 9, 2021 10:29:54 GMT
But Trump did not call out the network for its vaccine disinformation during a Thursday evening appearance on the network. Instead, he blamed President Joe Biden for the small minority of eligible Americans who are refusing to get vaccinated. www.rawstory.com/trump-vaccines-2655252185/Heh. This is kinda’ fascinating. Some Trump aides had been pressuring him to put out strong pro-vax messages several months ago. I assumed his avoidance had to do with not wanting to alienate his supporters/voters, even though he supports the vaccine and takes credit for its creation. What a pickle. So now he’s composed a dog whistle with this tune: “MY vaccine was beautiful but this addled jamoke stole the election so of course people don’t trust HIS vaccine.” Same vaccine, of course, but no matter. It’s so disappointing, as he could make such a difference to people’s attitudes if he put his shoulder into it. Once again, he disappoints as a human being. It’s the ego protection that will drive every message with this guy, regardless of the destruction it does to us a country. (Regarding this idea that people with Covid don’t need the vaccine, I’m reminded of that “medical research” meme with the split photos: top photo is research scientists in a lab with test tubes; bottom photo is a woman sitting on the toilet reading social media on her phone.) |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2021 11:06:48 GMT
But we were the doubters because of 'warp speed'
We waited and listened to the experts and took the vaccines .. it is his followers who refuse to listen to the experts and are dieing, because of it!!
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Post by peasapie on Oct 9, 2021 12:50:26 GMT
We’ve pointed out multiple times that the antibodies from the vaccine are not the same as ones from the virus. The vaccine offers more and protects you for longer. The vaccine protects you and those around you by reducing the spread of the virus. It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on. Can you link those studies? I’d like to read them. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 9, 2021 12:58:18 GMT
He’s an idiot. No other reason to refuse the vaccine?
Maybe because you undermined the integrity of the elections so much, your supporters don’t trust the results or trust the government?
Maybe because for months you told them it was their choice?
Maybe because Republican politicians are cowards and refuse to disclose their vaccination status?
Maybe because you and Republicans downplayed and lied about the seriousness of the virus? You compared it to the flu and now they think there’s a 99% survival rate?
Maybe because when you had covid you lied about your symptoms and the severity?
Maybe because you neglected to mention you received top of the line, best in the country medical care? Or that you received monoclonal antibodies before they were available to everyone else?
Maybe because you and your family got the vaccine in secret, we didn’t find out until 2 months later?
Maybe because President Biden and every other living former President, including Jimmy Carter who is in his late 90’s, helped create an ad promoting the vaccine. And you refused to participate.
Maybe because right wing talk show hosts keep talking about crazy unproven treatments like ivermectin and inhaling hydrogen peroxide?
Maybe because you pushed hydroxycloroquine as a magical cure?
Maybe because your close buddies Abbott and DeSantis are pushing experimental monoclonal antibody treatment but not the vaccine?
Maybe because Republican governors to court your base have put bans on mask mandates and bans on vaccine mandates in place?
Let’s see if I have this right. Former and Republicans ignored the pandemic when he was in charge. He lied and repeatedly said it would go away or magically disappear. They have undermined measures like masks, social distancing etc and even prevented them every step of the way. They are currently undermining vaccination efforts. Their supporters are the ones filling hospitals and dying but it’s completely President Biden’s fault that covid hasn’t gone away.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 9, 2021 13:08:57 GMT
Interesting facts on people reading the vaccine. People refusing because they had covid I think are just a small percentage of the 100 million Americans refusing the vaccine. www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/09/05/by-the-numbers-whos-refusing-covid-vaccinations-and-why/?sh=568890f952eaAnother interesting article on vaccine hesitancy www.bbc.com/future/article/20210720-the-complexities-of-vaccine-hesitancyFortunately, scientists began studying vaccine hesitancy long before Sars-Cov-2 was first identified in Wuhan in December 2019, and they have explored various models which attempt to capture the differences in people's health behaviour. One of the most promising is known as the 5Cs model, which considers the following psychological factors: Confidence: the person's trust in the vaccines efficacy and safety, the health services offering them, and the policy makers deciding on their rollout Complacency: whether or not the person considers the disease itself to be a serious risk to their health Calculation: the individual's engagement in extensive information searching to weigh up the costs and benefits Constraints (or convenience): how easy it is for the person in question to access the vaccine Collective responsibility: the willingness to protect others from infection, through one's own vaccination |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 9, 2021 13:19:26 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2021 17:01:19 GMT
Thinking this is the Covid thread of choice .. So, seems to have a mild case. He will claim his drugs cured him, but many people were 'cured' of cases at home taking prescribed medications without fanfair!! He will injure how many with his claims?!?! In a series of tweets on Saturday morning, former GOP Rep. Allen West (R-FL) announced that he is showing symptoms of COVID-19 that he is treating with Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin since he has not been vaccinated. He added, "Col. West will be available through virtual means to do events until his family's health issue is rectified. He is already taking Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin protocols. The West family thanks y'all for your prayers. 'God's blessings and Texas First!" before clarifying that he is not anti-vaxx, but believes it is a personal choice. www.rawstory.com/allen-west-2655263286/ |
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Post by julieb on Oct 9, 2021 20:04:02 GMT
I don’t get it they have been encouraging women who are pregnant to get the vaccine. Begging. We are begging pregnant and breastfeeding women to get vaccinated. My dd is due in 2 weeks and got vaccinated while pregnant. Her OB originally said not to and then a few weeks later said she has seen a few cases with her pregnant patients and "if you can't breath, your baby can't breath".  A 38 yo relative of our Aunt died last month, 5 days after giving birth, from covid. It is heartwrenching. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 9, 2021 20:12:46 GMT
There have been numerous cases of patients with Covid giving birth while having Covid and not ever having a chance to hold their babies before they died. So the families had to deal with the mom's death and taking care of a motherless newborn! Or the possibility of both dieing, mom and baby.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 10, 2021 19:19:45 GMT
Allen West is a bold faced liar.... In a series of tweets on Sunday morning, Allen West -- the one-time U.S. House member representing Florida and current GOP candidate to become governor of Texas-- told supporters that he is still in the hospital and doing well after coming down with Covid-19-like symptoms. On Saturday he had tweeted that he was taking hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to deal with illness, only to later reveal he was headed to the hospital.During his Sunday morning tweetstorm he attributed his recovery to having undergone the expensive "monoclonal antibody infusion therapy at Advance ER in Dallas" before attacking readily available and free Covid-19 vaccines which he said only enrich "the pockets of Big Pharma and corrupt bureaucrats and politicians." As West wrote, "Yesterday my wife, Angela, and I underwent monoclonal antibody infusion therapy at Advance ER in Dallas -- special hat tip to the staff there for their care and professionalism. The results were immediate," before later adding, "I can attest that, after this experience, I am even more dedicated to fighting against vaccine mandates. Instead of enriching the pockets of Big Pharma and corrupt bureaucrats and politicians, we should be advocating the monoclonal antibody infusion therapy."www.rawstory.com/allen-west-2655266166/Where the hell does he think the monoclonal anti-bodies come from, emergence use only!!... OH TIGHT. BIG PHARA. And he is lining the regeneRon DeSantis pockets and his 10 million $$$ PAC donor..... |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 10, 2021 20:27:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2021 20:35:31 GMT
140,000 kids have lost a parent, primary caregiver from Covid!! 65% are minorities. Do you have a link? I've seen tons of stories of both idiotic-thinking parents dying, but that number surprises me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 10, 2021 20:36:26 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 12, 2021 22:17:38 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 13, 2021 19:10:02 GMT
Mandates do work... Unfortunately there are studies that those who get Covid, even asymptomatic are developing ongoing damages, physical and mental. In some case damages enough to actually age the body ten years, may speed up dementia.. This could lead to mass numbers if disabled elderly people far sooner the would be normal. More than 44.5 million Americans have been diagnosed with COVID-19 since the beginning of the pandemic. Of them, over 715,000 have died. But what about the millions who lived? Have they fully recovered? According to new research, perhaps not. We often talk about the symptoms of a disease as the immediate impacts such as a runny nose or fever. Yet, sometimes, we can't see the impacts to our health as internal signs of disease can go undetected for months or years. In this respect, COVID-19 might be of greater concern than initially realized. A full understanding will require years of study, but researchers are starting to unravel some of the complexities. So far, a key theme is emerging: The range of impact is not limited to patients with moderate to severe symptoms, but rather cognitive deficits might be seen even in asymptomatic or mild cases. Given roughly a third of cases might be asymptomatic, this could have stunning implications. *** Most recently, in one preliminary large-scale study, researchers used a biobank of 45,000 brain scans since 2014. They then followed up with patients who had since been diagnosed with COVID-19, and completed new scans and neurological assessments post-disease. It's become incredibly clear that society has gravely underestimated the long-term impact of the virus. After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases such as dementia or Alzheimer's. *** Few will come out of the pandemic unscathed, whether financially, physically or emotionally. But time and time again, we're reminded that no matter how much we are done with this virus, it is definitely not done with us. www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/Whole lot more at the link... |
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Post by catmom on Oct 13, 2021 21:02:18 GMT
In Ontario, 2 additional vaccine mandates have been added to the existing (indoor dining/theatre/gym/government staff) mandate. Weddings and funeral attendance now require proof of vaccination. I fully support the mandates to date, but I have mixed feelings on the newest additions. First, these are private citizen events that are fully optional, unlike the commercial/workplace mandates.
A wedding I kind of understand, as people will be eating and drinking (masks off), dancing, in close quarters, and probably have their guard down due to alcohol. And there's time to plan if you want to get vaccinated in order to attend, or for the couple to amend their guest list as needed.
But a funeral isn't so clear to me. No or minimal eating or drinking, masks stay on the whole time, and no advance notice to get vaccinated. Am I missing something?
I have a family member who hasn't been vaccinated. She has tremendous anxiety around putting any medication/vaccine in her body, like a pretty serious phobia. As a result she's been super careful not to get Covid and has hardly left her house. I can't imagine telling her she couldn't go to a close family member's funeral - it would just seem so cruel to me when she's already struggling with a mental health issue.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 13, 2021 21:58:06 GMT
catmom all your aunt needs to do is read the paper all the way back to the begining.. Family in Freehold, NJ.. gathered. I forget wedding or funeral, ended up to old mother dies as did several of her adult children.. I think it ended up, seven people or more. Or the wedding in Maine, people caught it at the wedding and it spread to over 100+ people killing about 10.. or the article I posted above yours where many who have had Covid even asymptomatic have possible forever issues.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 14, 2021 0:27:34 GMT
For much of the unvaccinated I don't think it's that they aren't being decent human beings. How many of them already had Covid and already have the antibodies? The question shouldn't be 'are you vaccinated?' It should be 'do you have antibodies?' For those who have had Covid-19, even before vaccines were available most likely have a better immunity to Covid,
Interesting facts: Obesity can triple the chance of hospitalization from Covid
and 9 out of 10 pediatric hospitilized patients with Covid are obese, and we all know that obesity has increased during Covid for our kids, besides their mental health decline.
I would rather believe that we can all be decent human beings and not be labelled because of our political party OR our vaccination status. FYI, I am vaccinated, did so when educators were eligible very early in the game in my state.
People want you to get the shot in order to get the antibodies. If you have had covid you already have the antibodies. If you want to get the shot in addition to having had it, that's a choice you get to make. If you don't want the shot because you already have the antibodies it will give you, that's also a choice you get to make. Neither choice makes you a bad person. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Mandating that you have the vaccine if you've already got the antibodies isn't preventing anything. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2021 1:47:07 GMT
I'm m so glad people didn't take the stand that getting polio was better the vaccines.
Just how many people here talk about needing the shingles vaccine. Why is that? They need it because they had chicken pox!!!! It is rare to get chicken pox a second time, but it surely is the cause of shingles!! But those chicken pox 'anti-bodies' don't protect so well, do they?
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 14, 2021 2:47:25 GMT
Just because you have antibodies does not mean that they are effective at neutralizing the virus. You need "productive" antibodies. Antibodies are made against the current infection/virus that you have encountered. If you encounter a mutation of the virus...uhm.... delta, your antibodies may not help against this new variant. The titer of antibody will fade over time and your acquired immunity may not be effective.
ETA: If anyone wants a better explanation, I can expand about what neutralizing means and how the assays work to detect antibodies.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2021 2:55:03 GMT
Sorry New Hampshire... A loss.. New Hampshire Republicans turn on each other after GOP-run council votes down increased vax funding Matthew Chapman October 13, 2021 On Wednesday, the Associated Press reported that the New Hampshire Executive Council, a body analogous to the office of lieutenant governor in some other states, voted down a $27 million proposal to increase vaccine outreach in the state, following a pressure campaign by anti-vaccine activists and efforts to disrupt the meeting that led to multiple arrests. "Among other things, the money would have allowed the state to hire a public health manager and a dozen workers to promote the COVID-19 vaccine and address public concerns about it," reported Holly Ramer. "Opponents argued the grant language would have required the state to comply with any 'future directives' issued by the Biden administration regarding COVID-19, such as vaccine mandates. The same language has appeared in other grants accepted by the council, a five-member body that approves state contracts." The Executive Council has been under control of Republicans since 2020. www.rawstory.com/new-hampshire-republicans-vaccine-2655293203/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 14, 2021 3:45:21 GMT
People want you to get the shot in order to get the antibodies. If you have had covid you already have the antibodies. If you want to get the shot in addition to having had it, that's a choice you get to make. If you don't want the shot because you already have the antibodies it will give you, that's also a choice you get to make. Neither choice makes you a bad person. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Mandating that you have the vaccine if you've already got the antibodies isn't preventing anything. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. In addition, there’s increasing evidence that the transmission rates of people with breakthrough infections are lower than the unvaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmissionMandating vaccines reduces transmission of the virus. Full stop. |
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… well, go for it, I guess. But don’t be surprised when we don’t want you working in close quarters with us, don’t want you infecting OUR old people and fat people and children, don’t want you needlessly taking up precious space in the ER and ICU, and keep bugging you to quit presenting specious arguments and just get the damn vaccine already.
