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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2021 4:18:56 GMT
Also think of how many other vaccines require boosters.
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Post by ntsf on Oct 14, 2021 5:25:44 GMT
we had a deadline of today for people working in gyms and restaurants and other public places had to be vaccinated. for a while, patrons have had to be vaccinated. the reporter walked down a busy street and interviewed restaurant owners and business owners about the new deadline. most did not even know about the deadline and it was a non-issue, as all the staff have been vaccinated long ago...
life in san francisco. the city is dealing with workers who have not reported their status or won't get the shot.. and they will probably be laid off.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 14, 2021 12:22:33 GMT
People want you to get the shot in order to get the antibodies. If you have had covid you already have the antibodies. If you want to get the shot in addition to having had it, that's a choice you get to make. If you don't want the shot because you already have the antibodies it will give you, that's also a choice you get to make. Neither choice makes you a bad person. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Mandating that you have the vaccine if you've already got the antibodies isn't preventing anything. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. In addition, there’s increasing evidence that the transmission rates of people with breakthrough infections are lower than the unvaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmissionMandating vaccines reduces transmission of the virus. Full stop. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2021 13:12:19 GMT
You might as well move to Ohio where the wonderful US representative is opting for NO mandated vaccines... Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) has been vaccinated against COVID-19, but he wants his home state to ban mandates for all vaccines -- even long-used shots against measles and the mumps -- as the partisan war against pandemic safety measures expands.The Republican Party is racing toward the bottom, wrote The Daily Beast columnist Margaret Carlson, with GOP governors taking away local authority to require masks and vaccines, and now the bombastic Ohio Republican is staking out a new front by chipping away at mandates for other safe and effective vaccines. *** "We no longer live in a country where there's agreement on what constitutes the common good," she wrote. "It's two decades since half the country told Gallup we were on the right track, and longer still since 600 children died in the early days of the polio vaccine but parents still followed the science and lined up their offspring for the immunization until iron lungs all but disappeared."www.rawstory.com/jim-jordan-vaccine/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 14, 2021 16:20:21 GMT
pixiechick Just once, again. The vaccine will prevent most serious cases and keep one out of the hospital. Death will rarely occur. With NOT getting Covid one will avoid long haul issues as well as other damages to the body. But you know that. You just chose to be obtuse!!
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Post by oh yvonne on Oct 14, 2021 16:28:22 GMT
I just found out DSIL hadn't gotten the vaccine until his work finally mandated it and he was forced to to keep his job. He works in the entertainment industry and they are super careful on set, he's been constantly tested etc since they all went back to work last year. He was so complacent about it.
They avoided telling me he wasn't vaxxed I guess because they know how strongly I feel about it. His only reason for not getting his vaccine was out of being 'afraid of needles' and honestly I think it was just procrastination/laziness. I think a LOT of people are in this category. I've seen lots of stories of people who got diagnosed and live to regret it because of procrastination. They had 'intended' to get the shot but didn't get around to it.
I'm glad he's fully vaxed now, and for this reason I think mandated vaccines are honestly the best way to go.
The unvaxed are going to cause this thing to keep on mutating and we will wind up with a super bug and I shudder to think about it. Its making it very hard for me to stay friends with people who 'don't believe in it'.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 14, 2021 16:46:39 GMT
From Wikipedia:
It doesn’t matter how many times we counter the same inaccurate statements. The questions just keep getting rearranged and repeated, under the pretense of reasonable debate.
BF waste of everyone’s time. Including her own. I guess it must be fun for her on some level.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 14, 2021 20:13:25 GMT
I know I should quit, but here's a little more info on acquired vs immunity from vaccines. First of all, the study in Israel that people frequently point to regarding acquired immunity has been misquoted. Secondly, there were problems with that study. The study has not yet been peer reviewed. Also, testing was voluntary, it was not required as part of the study so there may have been undocumented cases. The study did not control for other measures like mask wearing or social distancing. The study did not look specifically at the delta strain and included cases of the original strain. Right now, in the US, delta is the predominant strain. Furthermore, there are other studies including a CDC one from Kansas that contradict the Israeli study. Until there is more concrete information, the current recommendation and the general consensus of doctors and epidemieologists is for people who were previously infected with Covid to get the vaccine. If that recommendation changes, then people can contest mandated vaccines. www.wsj.com/articles/covid-vaccine-natural-immunity-infection-israel-study-cdc-11632151556www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-instagram-post-missing-context-about-israeli-study-on-covid-19-natural-immunity/The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also recommends that people still get vaccinated regardless of whether they already had COVID-19, because it’s not known how long someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again after recovering from the disease. A small proportion of people who had an infection may not develop much immunity at all. The authors also said that because they conducted an “observational real-world study,” where polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, screening for the coronavirus was not required, “we might be underestimating asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested.” |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 14, 2021 20:16:57 GMT
you've put up such a valiant effort, but I'm afraid it will fall / has fallen on deaf ears...
on the other hand, I learned a new internet term today- sea lioning.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 14, 2021 22:18:58 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 15, 2021 8:47:42 GMT
From Wikipedia: It doesn’t matter how many times we counter the same inaccurate statements. The questions just keep getting rearranged and repeated, under the pretense of reasonable debate.
BF waste of everyone’s time. Including her own. I guess it must be fun for her on some level. I've posted on this thread 6 times. I asked 1 question, once. "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?"I have not made persistent requests for evidence, I have not rearranged the question OR repeated it. I asked thinking someone would be able to give a thoughtful, rational answer to an idea being pushed that makes no sense to so many people. I guess it doesn't make sense to you either, or it would have been so much easier to answer than it was for you to smear me with made up accusations. From the Urban Dictionary: |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 15, 2021 11:50:18 GMT
You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. In addition, there’s increasing evidence that the transmission rates of people with breakthrough infections are lower than the unvaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmissionMandating vaccines reduces transmission of the virus. Full stop. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? The vaccine is safe. There are no doubts or questions that it might not be safe. Millions of Americans and millions of people around the world have taken them. Those claiming that we don’t know the effects 10 years from now don’t understand how vaccines work. In the US, we tried carrots and incentives to get people to take the vaccine. We tried answering questions from trusted sources. Those tactics didn’t work, white conservative evangelical male Republicans still refused the vaccine. Perhaps if Republican politicians had done more to advocate for the vaccine, we wouldn’t be in this situation. It’s a public health crisis and now we’re looking at mandates. As we’ve already stated, you are protected from the vaccine. You are protected from hospitalization, severe illness and death. And vaccines slow the transmission. Vaccines are safe and effective. Anyone that suggests otherwise is spreading misinformation. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 15, 2021 12:01:34 GMT
You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. In addition, there’s increasing evidence that the transmission rates of people with breakthrough infections are lower than the unvaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmissionMandating vaccines reduces transmission of the virus. Full stop. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? I am genuinely curious. Do you think that private businesses have a right to tell their employees to get vaccinated or be terminated? And do you think that businesses have a right to set masking rules/vaccination rules for customers entering their place of business? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2021 13:29:44 GMT
pixiechick Just once, again. The vaccine will prevent most serious cases and keep one out of the hospital. Death will rarely occur. With NOT getting Covid one will avoid long haul issues as well as other damages to the body. But you know that. You just chose to be obtuse!! I guess you missed my answer AGAIN!! I will add that Covid is a transmitted respiratory disease. There has never been a vaccine to prevent one. It is a coronavirus, like a cold, but far far worse. The present vaccines for Covid prevent most serious diseases, which is beneficial to everyone. Why are you and so many others so willing to pass the infection on to others, rather then protect them? The only answer I can find is that selfish people don't care about their neighbors! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2021 13:58:24 GMT
BTW: There are VALID medical exemptions to be excused from the Covid vaccines.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 15, 2021 17:10:38 GMT
From Wikipedia: It doesn’t matter how many times we counter the same inaccurate statements. The questions just keep getting rearranged and repeated, under the pretense of reasonable debate.
BF waste of everyone’s time. Including her own. I guess it must be fun for her on some level. I've posted on this thread 6 times. I asked 1 question, once. "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?"I have not made persistent requests for evidence, I have not rearranged the question OR repeated it. I asked thinking someone would be able to give a thoughtful, rational answer to an idea being pushed that makes no sense to so many people. I guess it doesn't make sense to you either, or it would have been so much easier to answer than it was for you to smear me with made up accusations. From the Urban Dictionary: Your question was answered here, and has been answered before, and has also been addressed many times by public health experts. The vaccine is valuable, both to individuals and the community as a whole, on many levels. It not only prevents illness much of the time, it reduces the seriousness of the illness if you do get it, and makes it harder to spread to others. It lessens the possibility of hospitalization and death. It lessens the possibility of new strains spreading through the community. It lessens the burden on health workers, local governments, employers, schools, and more. It helps protect immune-compromised individuals and underage children from exposure. The fewer children who are exposed, the fewer old people they can spread it to. That is only a partial list. None of it is a secret; all of it has been widely discussed in the media. The doctors, “experts,” and studies you say disagree with the consensus tend to be outliers, unqualified, or misunderstood. The vast majority of health care professionals agree on this. What does it tell you that 96% of physicians are fully vaccinated? I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Oct 15, 2021 18:42:52 GMT
I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you.  X 100. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 15, 2021 20:22:10 GMT
I've posted on this thread 6 times. I asked 1 question, once. "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?"I have not made persistent requests for evidence, I have not rearranged the question OR repeated it. I asked thinking someone would be able to give a thoughtful, rational answer to an idea being pushed that makes no sense to so many people. I guess it doesn't make sense to you either, or it would have been so much easier to answer than it was for you to smear me with made up accusations. From the Urban Dictionary: We have given thoughtful, rational answers but you continue to ignore them. And move the goal posts. First you claimed that acquired immunity is the same as immunity from the vaccines. After thoughtful, respectful responses with evidence to contradict that, you moved the goal posts. Now the vaccine is not safe or effective? The overwhelming evidence shows that the vaccine is both safe and effective. People who already had covid are encouraged to get the vaccine. Hybrid immunity is more effective than acquired immunity. It lasts longer and protects against variants. |
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 15, 2021 22:16:38 GMT
Welp, my school district (the Seattle public schools, so a large district) just cancelled school bus service for everyone but kids with disability-guaranteed transportation. The bus drivers at the private company the district uses did not comply with the vaccine mandate.
“This sucks” is an understatement.
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Post by MichyM on Oct 15, 2021 22:29:05 GMT
Welp, my school district (the Seattle public schools, so a large district) just cancelled school bus service for everyone but kids with disability-guaranteed transportation. The bus drivers at the private company the district uses did not comply with the vaccine mandate. “This sucks” is an understatement. That’s a shame and going to cause a ruckus. However, it’s better than kids riding on a bus with an unvaccinated driver, yes? Looks like we’re going to have a bunch of disruptions in the Puget Sound area. Ferry workers ✅, Boeing employees ✅, SPD ✅, SFD ✅. Who’s up next 😖 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 15, 2021 22:46:50 GMT
MichyM are the checks for vaccinated or not?
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 15, 2021 23:11:59 GMT
Welp, my school district (the Seattle public schools, so a large district) just cancelled school bus service for everyone but kids with disability-guaranteed transportation. The bus drivers at the private company the district uses did not comply with the vaccine mandate. “This sucks” is an understatement. That’s a shame and going to cause a ruckus. However, it’s better than kids riding on a bus with an unvaccinated driver, yes? Looks like we’re going to have a bunch of disruptions in the Puget Sound area. Ferry workers ✅, Boeing employees ✅, SPD ✅, SFD ✅. Who’s up next 😖 I don’t know. You should see the email chains right now — one of my kids, eg, attends a magnet school where there are almost no neighborhood students and more than 95% of kids normally bus (it’s up at 90th and Wallingford, so you can have a sense of the distance from our neighborhood) — parents are going to have to quit jobs or pull their kids from the school their kids have attended for years. |
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Post by MichyM on Oct 15, 2021 23:13:06 GMT
MichyM are the checks for vaccinated or not? The check-marks are for current and anticipated disruptions in the Puget Sound. We’ve had rolling sick outs for ferry workers for weeks. Schedules finally had to be adjusted, so much so that many routes are running 50% as often as they used to, causing massive backups and disruptions. Particularly for those who live on the islands (and Olympic and Kitsap peninsulas) and either commute in to the mainland and for those who have to come to the mainland for medical care. We’re also expecting to lose many SPD and SFD employees when our vaccine mandate goes into effect on Monday. Boeing employees are making noise as well since the company adopts a vaccine or test mandate in a little over a month. More to come I’m sure regarding WA state and more specifically, the Puget Sound region. I personally am ok dealing with some disruptions in order to help ensure the health of our residents. That said, I don’t have young children who rely on school buses to get them to and from school. That’s going to be a major pain until the district finds new drivers and sorts it all out. I don’t foresee a quick fix to any of this. |
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Post by MichyM on Oct 15, 2021 23:15:42 GMT
That’s a shame and going to cause a ruckus. However, it’s better than kids riding on a bus with an unvaccinated driver, yes? Looks like we’re going to have a bunch of disruptions in the Puget Sound area. Ferry workers ✅, Boeing employees ✅, SPD ✅, SFD ✅. Who’s up next 😖 I don’t know. You should see the email chains right now — one of my kids, eg, attends a magnet school where there are almost no neighborhood students and more than 95% of kids normally bus (it’s up at 90th and Wallingford, so you can have a sense of the distance from our neighborhood) — parents are going to have to quit jobs or pull their kids from the school their kids have attended for years. Yeah, it’s gonna get bad. And I’m very sorry about that. Hopefully some patchwork carpooling, etc can be worked out to take some of the pressure off of parents and caregivers. If you end up in a pinch, you know where to find me and I’m happy to help out whenever I can. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 17, 2021 18:22:43 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/10/17/1046598351/the-political-fight-over-vaccine-mandates-deepens-despite-their-effectivenessNiambi Carter, an associate professor of political science and Woodrow Wilson fellow at Howard University, said that Republican politicians have been exploiting the political expediency of vaccine hesitancy to advance their own political goals, an argument the White House has made as well. "Unfortunately we have politicians who will participate in this kind of nonsense because it serves them politically, not necessarily because they believe it," Carter said, referencing the lawmakers' own vaccination status. "They're telling us to gamble our lives, but they're not willing to take that same gamble with theirs. And I think that is what is the most galling about this."
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2021 0:10:38 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/10/18/1047066325/espns-allison-williams-explains-why-shes-giving-up-her-job-over-a-vaccine-mandatESPN college basketball and football reporter Allison Williams has joined a small minority of workers who have quit or been fired from their jobs over a vaccine mandate. "I have been denied my request for accommodation by ESPN and the Walt Disney Company, and effective next week, I will be separated from the company," she said in a video posted to Instagram on Friday. ESPN's parent company, Disney, had announced a vaccine mandate over the summer with a deadline of this Friday, Oct. 22.
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Post by kluski on Oct 19, 2021 0:17:21 GMT
You can’t possibly think that firing people including first responders who fought the front lines for months on end is a good thing.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2021 1:41:54 GMT
You can’t possibly think that firing people including first responders who fought the front lines for months on end is a good thing. I don't think firing first responders or health care workers is a good thing. But, I also don't think unvaccinated first responders and health care workers is a good thing. Certain jobs like first responders, health care workers and educators come with a degree of responsibility to protect vulnerable people, patients and children. Many hospitals, primary care offices etc require the flu vaccine for workers. Schools require vaccinations for illnesses with community spread. The covid vaccine is no different. First responders and health care workers are stressed and getting burned out dealing with covid for months on end. At the moment, over 90% of hospitalizations and deaths are the unvaccinated and completely preventable. Health care workers are frustrated that we have a solution but people are choosing their personal freedom over the good of the community. The way out of this pandemic is through vaccinations. States tried incentives like lotteries and even cash to get people vaccinated. They removed barriers, added time off for the vaccine etc. They tried community outreach through pastors and churches. But, we were stuck at only 67% vaccinated. Delta Airlines tried charging a $200 per month health insurance premium to unvaccinated employees but only achieved an 85% vaccination rate. We tried other methods that didn't get enough people vaccinated and we're left with no other choice but mandates. Furthermore, the mandates are working. Many places that implemented them have over a 90% vaccination rate. Many employers have an opt out with testing. The companies that don't have an opt out discovered that only a small percentage of workers quit. Out of 67,000 employees at United, only a few hundred left. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 19, 2021 3:21:03 GMT
I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? The vaccine is safe. There are no doubts or questions that it might not be safe. Millions of Americans and millions of people around the world have taken them. Those claiming that we don’t know the effects 10 years from now don’t understand how vaccines work. In the US, we tried carrots and incentives to get people to take the vaccine. We tried answering questions from trusted sources. Those tactics didn’t work, white conservative evangelical male Republicans still refused the vaccine. Perhaps if Republican politicians had done more to advocate for the vaccine, we wouldn’t be in this situation. It’s a public health crisis and now we’re looking at mandates. As we’ve already stated, you are protected from the vaccine. You are protected from hospitalization, severe illness and death. And vaccines slow the transmission. Vaccines are safe and effective. Anyone that suggests otherwise is spreading misinformation. No one is spreading misinformation here. We have given thoughtful, rational answers but you continue to ignore them. And move the goal posts. Calling me a troll is neither thoughtful, nor rational. THAT is what I was responding to. you moved the goal posts. Now the vaccine is not safe or effective? No moving of the goal posts from me. You need to read the above quoted bolded/underlined again. I have never ever said the vaccine was unsafe. Stop saying that I did. Read what I said again. "BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need." THAT is what doctors and epidemiologists are saying could be unsafe. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 19, 2021 3:33:18 GMT
I've posted on this thread 6 times. I asked 1 question, once. "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?"I have not made persistent requests for evidence, I have not rearranged the question OR repeated it. I asked thinking someone would be able to give a thoughtful, rational answer to an idea being pushed that makes no sense to so many people. I guess it doesn't make sense to you either, or it would have been so much easier to answer than it was for you to smear me with made up accusations. From the Urban Dictionary: Your question was answered here, and has been answered before, and has also been addressed many times by public health experts. The vaccine is valuable, both to individuals and the community as a whole, on many levels. It not only prevents illness much of the time, it reduces the seriousness of the illness if you do get it, and makes it harder to spread to others. It lessens the possibility of hospitalization and death. It lessens the possibility of new strains spreading through the community. It lessens the burden on health workers, local governments, employers, schools, and more. It helps protect immune-compromised individuals and underage children from exposure. The fewer children who are exposed, the fewer old people they can spread it to. That is only a partial list. None of it is a secret; all of it has been widely discussed in the media. The doctors, “experts,” and studies you say disagree with the consensus tend to be outliers, unqualified, or misunderstood. The vast majority of health care professionals agree on this. What does it tell you that 96% of physicians are fully vaccinated? I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you. My question was never answered. you have read into it something that wasn't said/asked. I'll try to ask it in a clearer way... The vaccine is valuable, both to individuals and the community as a whole, on many levels. It not only prevents illness much of the time, it reduces the seriousness of the illness if you do get it, and makes it harder to spread to others. It lessens the possibility of hospitalization and death. It lessens the possibility of new strains spreading through the community. It lessens the burden on health workers, local governments, employers, schools, and more. It helps protect immune-compromised individuals and underage children from exposure. The fewer children who are exposed, the fewer old people they can spread it to. I understand all of that. I also understand having had covid does the same. The question is, if YOU are vaccinated, why are you so afraid of the unvaccinated? That is what I meant when I said "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?" I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you. I am as aware as you are. Not unaware at all. You read something into my question that wasn't stated. I'll try to clear it up instead of becoming impatient and dismissive, like you did. |
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