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Post by alitheia on Oct 19, 2021 4:04:19 GMT
I'm m so glad people didn't take the stand that getting polio was better the vaccines. Just how many people here talk about needing the shingles vaccine. Why is that? They need it because they had chicken pox!!!! It is rare to get chicken pox a second time, but it surely is the cause of shingles!! But those chicken pox 'anti-bodies' don't protect so well, do they? You can get polio from the vaccine and it is still happening. Check out this article.
The varicella-zoster virus stay latent in your nervous system to cause Shingles, it is not a second case of Chicken pox! You do have anti-bodies to the VZV BUT they do not prevent shingles. You can be educated here. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2021 4:25:26 GMT
Never said Shingles was a second case of chicken pox. But having had chicken pox manifests as shingles later in life in some people.
My concern is with all those out there who are now advocating to eliminate all vaccines. They seem to have no cares about the welfare of our citizens.
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Post by pjaye on Oct 19, 2021 4:42:04 GMT
You can’t possibly think that firing people including first responders who fought the front lines for months on end is a good thing. It may not be a "good" thing, but it is a necessary one. People in those jobs who refuse to be vaccinated are even more disappointing than 'lay' people. If they can't see the benefit outweighing the risks, then they have no business being in those jobs right now. They want to make that choice, then they give up their right to be employed in those jobs, Their jobs are to keep people safe and not to do things that harm them - being in a position to knowingly run the risk of passing on an infectious disease - is not compatible with the job they are trusted to do. We have babies admitted where I work, one of the nurses has refused to be vaccinated (happy to say she's the only one) and she's been taken off the roster. Would you want your 6 month old baby - who is too young to have a covid vaccine being looked after by her? Especially if as a parent you've been extra careful, and stayed at home, been vaccinated yourself etc and then you take that baby to a hospital - a place you should be able to trust and then discover one of the workers there is a potentially a risk to your child? And what if there's more than one nurse, maybe there will be several, and the cleaner, and the person who delivers the meals..." Should vaccinated parents be expected to play Russian roulette with their kid's lives if they need to go to hospital? They can't ask each individual worker for their vaccine status and make a decision - they need to be able to rely on the hospital to have done it for them. No-one is taking anyone being fired lightly, but they have now had plenty of time and plenty of warning and it's 100% their fault if they find themselves no longer employable in their chosen career. No-one else as made that decision for them. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 19, 2021 5:04:29 GMT
Your question was answered here, and has been answered before, and has also been addressed many times by public health experts. The vaccine is valuable, both to individuals and the community as a whole, on many levels. It not only prevents illness much of the time, it reduces the seriousness of the illness if you do get it, and makes it harder to spread to others. It lessens the possibility of hospitalization and death. It lessens the possibility of new strains spreading through the community. It lessens the burden on health workers, local governments, employers, schools, and more. It helps protect immune-compromised individuals and underage children from exposure. The fewer children who are exposed, the fewer old people they can spread it to. That is only a partial list. None of it is a secret; all of it has been widely discussed in the media. The doctors, “experts,” and studies you say disagree with the consensus tend to be outliers, unqualified, or misunderstood. The vast majority of health care professionals agree on this. What does it tell you that 96% of physicians are fully vaccinated? I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you. My question was never answered. you have read into it something that wasn't said/asked. I'll try to ask it in a clearer way... The vaccine is valuable, both to individuals and the community as a whole, on many levels. It not only prevents illness much of the time, it reduces the seriousness of the illness if you do get it, and makes it harder to spread to others. It lessens the possibility of hospitalization and death. It lessens the possibility of new strains spreading through the community. It lessens the burden on health workers, local governments, employers, schools, and more. It helps protect immune-compromised individuals and underage children from exposure. The fewer children who are exposed, the fewer old people they can spread it to. I understand all of that. I also understand having had covid does the same. The question is, if YOU are vaccinated, why are you so afraid of the unvaccinated? That is what I meant when I said "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?" I don’t understand how anyone who is the least bit interested can be unaware. So when you keep making the same unsubstantiated claims and asking the same uninformed questions, don’t be surprised that people get impatient with you. I am as aware as you are. Not unaware at all. You read something into my question that wasn't stated. I'll try to clear it up instead of becoming impatient and dismissive, like you did. My. Answer. Is. Right. There. In. The. Quoted. Response. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. They are the source of mutations that might be more dangerous, more easily spread, or vaccine resistant. When they work with the public in any manner, they are especially more likely to be spreading the disease. They are making this whole damn thing harder for all the rest of the community, the frontline workers, the employers, the government, every single one of us. When they fill up the ER, the rest of us with our non-COVID health issues can’t get in for care. They are a danger to themselves, their families and co-workers, the health care system, and all the rest of us. All of that is a threat to me and mine, even though we are all fully vaccinated except for the under-12s. That is why I feel unprotected because of the unvaccinated. More protected because I’ve had my shots, but not fully protected. Nowhere near. I really should not need to explain all this in such minute detail, but you insisted. And this is it. I ain’t gonna explain it one more time. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 19, 2021 5:40:23 GMT
My question was never answered. you have read into it something that wasn't said/asked. I'll try to ask it in a clearer way... I understand all of that. I also understand having had covid does the same. The question is, if YOU are vaccinated, why are you so afraid of the unvaccinated? That is what I meant when I said "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?" I am as aware as you are. Not unaware at all. You read something into my question that wasn't stated. I'll try to clear it up instead of becoming impatient and dismissive, like you did. My. Answer. Is. Right. There. In. The. Quoted. Response. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. They are the source of mutations that might be more dangerous, more easily spread, or vaccine resistant. When they work with the public in any manner, they are especially more likely to be spreading the disease. They are making this whole damn thing harder for all the rest of the community, the frontline workers, the employers, the government, every single one of us. When they fill up the ER, the rest of us with our non-COVID health issues can’t get in for care. They are a danger to themselves, their families and co-workers, the health care system, and all the rest of us. All of that is a threat to me and mine, even though we are all fully vaccinated except for the under-12s. That is why I feel unprotected because of the unvaccinated. More protected because I’ve had my shots, but not fully protected. Nowhere near. I really should not need to explain all this in such minute detail, but you insisted. And this is it. I ain’t gonna explain it one more time. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people who haven't had covid.
How many of the unvaccinated haven't had covid. The goal was to reach at least 75% vaccinated. We have. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 19, 2021 5:55:42 GMT
My. Answer. Is. Right. There. In. The. Quoted. Response. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. They are the source of mutations that might be more dangerous, more easily spread, or vaccine resistant. When they work with the public in any manner, they are especially more likely to be spreading the disease. They are making this whole damn thing harder for all the rest of the community, the frontline workers, the employers, the government, every single one of us. When they fill up the ER, the rest of us with our non-COVID health issues can’t get in for care. They are a danger to themselves, their families and co-workers, the health care system, and all the rest of us. All of that is a threat to me and mine, even though we are all fully vaccinated except for the under-12s. That is why I feel unprotected because of the unvaccinated. More protected because I’ve had my shots, but not fully protected. Nowhere near. I really should not need to explain all this in such minute detail, but you insisted. And this is it. I ain’t gonna explain it one more time. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. Unvaccinated people who haven't had covid.
How many of the unvaccinated haven't had covid. The goal was to reach at least 75% vaccinated. We have. It has been stated over and over again (with links to legitimate sources) that antibodies from having the illness itself are in no way as equally protective or as long-lasting as the vaccine series is at preventing reinfection. And we are not at 75% fully vaccinated. Current number is 57% of all Americans. |
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Post by used2scrap on Oct 19, 2021 6:01:53 GMT
I’ve had covid twce; as has 3 of my other immediate family members. Could someone please explain what we did wrong for natural immunity? My long haul covid self woud really like to know...
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 19, 2021 8:38:58 GMT
Unvaccinated people who haven't had covid.
How many of the unvaccinated haven't had covid. The goal was to reach at least 75% vaccinated. We have. It has been stated over and over again (with links to legitimate sources) that antibodies from having the illness itself are in no way as equally protective or as long-lasting as the vaccine series is at preventing reinfection. And we are not at 75% fully vaccinated. Current number is 57% of all Americans. And there are legitimate studies that say the natural antibodies are just as good as the vaccine. Science says that in general. The big benefit of vaccine immunity is that you do not need to risk complications of the illness to develop antibodies to the virus. But if you've already had it, that big benefit doesn't exist. So to mandate a one size fits all medicine is not following science. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else.
The Hill: White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine doseAnd that was over a month ago so most that needed a second have more than likely gotten it. |
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 19, 2021 8:39:22 GMT
I’ve had covid twce; as has 3 of my other immediate family members. Could someone please explain what we did wrong for natural immunity? My long haul covid self woud really like to know... Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2021 11:36:58 GMT
It has been stated over and over again (with links to legitimate sources) that antibodies from having the illness itself are in no way as equally protective or as long-lasting as the vaccine series is at preventing reinfection. And we are not at 75% fully vaccinated. Current number is 57% of all Americans. And there are legitimate studies that say the natural antibodies are just as good as the vaccine. Science says that in general. The big benefit of vaccine immunity is that you do not need to risk complications of the illness to develop antibodies to the virus. But if you've already had it, that big benefit doesn't exist. So to mandate a one size fits all medicine is not following science. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else.
The Hill: White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine doseAnd that was over a month ago so most that needed a second have more than likely gotten it. Show me one study other than the one from Israel. The faults in that study have already been pointed out. There are studies like the CDC one from Arkansas or Kentucky that show acquired immunity does not offer the same protection. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2021 11:38:05 GMT
I’ve had covid twce; as has 3 of my other immediate family members. Could someone please explain what we did wrong for natural immunity? My long haul covid self woud really like to know... Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. No, the vaccine does not prevent it, but you are less likely to spread it. The vaccine slows the transmission of covid. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 19, 2021 11:42:18 GMT
You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. In addition, there’s increasing evidence that the transmission rates of people with breakthrough infections are lower than the unvaccinated. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/10/12/1044553048/covid-data-vaccines-breakthrough-infections-transmissionMandating vaccines reduces transmission of the virus. Full stop. You keep ignoring the facts that have been stated multiple times in this thread that antibodies from the virus ARE NOT THE SAME as antibodies from the vaccine. Antibodies from the virus might not work against other variants and most likely decline faster than antibodies from the vaccine. I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? Just showing you that you did say it’s possible the vaccine is not safe. You can argue semantics all you want, but it’s not any different than saying the vaccine is unsafe. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Oct 19, 2021 11:52:34 GMT
Did I read somewhere that people who have had Covid actually when they get Covid again, generally have a worse case the second time? I swear I read that somewhere. Maybe I'm hallucinating.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 13:16:17 GMT
Show me one study other than the one from Israel. The faults in that study have already been pointed out. There are studies like the CDC one from Arkansas or Kentucky that show acquired immunity does not offer the same protection. Man, you have the patience of a scientist. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Oct 19, 2021 13:53:43 GMT
The thing I just can't wrap my brain around is the utter selfishness of those who won't get vaccinated and they are in their 50's and above.
Dude, do you really want to burden your kids with your healthcare if you catch COVID and manage to survive? Do you really want to task them with helping you rehab, to feed you and change your Depends? Do you really want to risk dropping dead in the future of a blood clot, or heart attack or any of the other myriad of long haul COVID that they are still discovering?
Let alone leaving them to deal with the grief and mess of your finances and clean up of your home and belongings should you die unexpectedly. Honestly, life is freaking unfair and hard enough as it is, WITHOUT Covid.
Honestly. Those people on your tv like Ted Cruz and the rest don't give a F about you. THEY are all vaccinated, they don't care that you aren't. They'll just tell you what you all want to hear so you can keep them in office and in power. Its disgusting. The soul of these people, I tell you IDK how they lay in bed at night and not worry they'll meet their maker and have to atone for this.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 19, 2021 14:14:30 GMT
My question was never answered. you have read into it something that wasn't said/asked. I'll try to ask it in a clearer way... I understand all of that. I also understand having had covid does the same. The question is, if YOU are vaccinated, why are you so afraid of the unvaccinated? That is what I meant when I said "If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected?" I am as aware as you are. Not unaware at all. You read something into my question that wasn't stated. I'll try to clear it up instead of becoming impatient and dismissive, like you did. My. Answer. Is. Right. There. In. The. Quoted. Response. Unvaccinated people keep the pandemic alive. They are more likely to be infected, more likely to be symptomatic, more likely to have a serious case, more likely to be hospitalized, and more likely to die. They are more likely to spread the disease to others, either those who can’t be vaccinated, or those who have been but are immune-deficient, or those who are vaccinated and healthy, and unlikely to become really ill, but might pass the bug along to someone else who is less healthy and/or unvaccinated. They are the source of mutations that might be more dangerous, more easily spread, or vaccine resistant. When they work with the public in any manner, they are especially more likely to be spreading the disease. They are making this whole damn thing harder for all the rest of the community, the frontline workers, the employers, the government, every single one of us. When they fill up the ER, the rest of us with our non-COVID health issues can’t get in for care. They are a danger to themselves, their families and co-workers, the health care system, and all the rest of us. All of that is a threat to me and mine, even though we are all fully vaccinated except for the under-12s. That is why I feel unprotected because of the unvaccinated. More protected because I’ve had my shots, but not fully protected. Nowhere near. I really should not need to explain all this in such minute detail, but you insisted. And this is it. I ain’t gonna explain it one more time. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 All of this. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 19, 2021 14:20:32 GMT
I'll say it again... "It's also been pointed out that there are studies that show otherwise. That people, along with their doctor, should be allowed to make that decision for themselves as opposed to the current authoritarian "do it or else" tactic we have going on." There are doctors and scientists, epidemiologists that are saying it needs to be looked at and discussed BEFORE we mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe. If you need the vaccine to be protected, and you have the vaccine, why are you not protected? I am genuinely curious. Do you think that private businesses have a right to tell their employees to get vaccinated or be terminated? And do you think that businesses have a right to set masking rules/vaccination rules for customers entering their place of business? If pixiechick answered my question, I can’t find it. Do private businesses have the right to mandate vaccines for their employees as a condition of employment? I believe that they do. |
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Post by dewryce on Oct 19, 2021 14:29:25 GMT
I am genuinely curious. Do you think that private businesses have a right to tell their employees to get vaccinated or be terminated? And do you think that businesses have a right to set masking rules/vaccination rules for customers entering their place of business? If pixiechick answered my question, I can’t find it. Do private businesses have the right to mandate vaccines for their employees as a condition of employment? I believe that they do. Not in Texas if I understood the most recent edict from our idiot governor. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 19, 2021 14:33:27 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 19, 2021 14:37:32 GMT
If pixiechick answered my question, I can’t find it. Do private businesses have the right to mandate vaccines for their employees as a condition of employment? I believe that they do. Not in Texas if I understood the most recent edict from our idiot governor. I worded my question poorly. Sorry about that. I should have said SHOULD businesses have the right to mandate vaccines for employees? After all, the SC has ruled that “businesses are people too.” www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112711410 |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 19, 2021 14:42:30 GMT
Sincere kudos to those discussing in good faith here, but it seems we’ve again passed the Diminishing Returns Tipping Point of this week’s program.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 19, 2021 14:57:47 GMT
Texas legislature fails to pass Abbott's bill banning businesses mandates requiring vaccines!! Bills intended to block any Texas entity, including hospitals and private businesses, from mandating COVID-19 vaccines for employees failed to pass the Texas Legislature before lawmakers adjourned the third special legislative session early Tuesday morning."Signs that the legislation was in trouble came early as business groups spoke out against the proposals. Even though the issue had been added to the session agenda as a late priority by Gov. Greg Abbott, the House's version of the bill was unable to muster enough support to be voted out of committee. The Senate's proposal pushed by Sen. Bryan Hughes, R-Mineola, was quickly pushed out of committee but did not have the votes for approval by the whole chamber. *** More than two dozen medical and business advocacy groups quickly criticized SB 51, pushing back against the legislation in the days after it was introduced last week. Hughes filed the bill after Abbott asked lawmakers last week to take up this issue to ensure Texans aren't required to get vaccinated, saying that vaccines are "safe, effective, and our best defense against the virus, but should remain voluntary and never forced." www.rawstory.com/texas-bill-to-block-19-vaccine-mandates-for-employers-failed-in-legislature-after-business-groups-rallied-against-it/ |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 19, 2021 15:38:04 GMT
It has been stated over and over again (with links to legitimate sources) that antibodies from having the illness itself are in no way as equally protective or as long-lasting as the vaccine series is at preventing reinfection. And we are not at 75% fully vaccinated. Current number is 57% of all Americans. And there are legitimate studies that say the natural antibodies are just as good as the vaccine. Science says that in general. The big benefit of vaccine immunity is that you do not need to risk complications of the illness to develop antibodies to the virus. But if you've already had it, that big benefit doesn't exist. So to mandate a one size fits all medicine is not following science. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else.
The Hill: White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine doseAnd that was over a month ago so most that needed a second have more than likely gotten it. Please do link your multiple legitimate studies that have not been debunked and that show a prior case of COVID confers the equivalent immunity that full vaccination does. Please link your multiple legitimate infectious disease specialists who don’t feel that everyone who CAN be vaccinated, SHOULD be vaccinated, including those who have already had the disease. I don’t know who you’re listening to. But every real expert (not chiropractors who are hawking ivermectin or whatever) I’ve heard or read about says actually having COVID confers some level of immunity, but not nearly what the vaccine does. No matter how many times you claim the opposite, I’m listening to them, not you. And for updated U.S. vaccination numbers and goals, here is the Mayo Clinic for you, updated as of Sunday. www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker |
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2021 16:49:55 GMT
And there are legitimate studies that say the natural antibodies are just as good as the vaccine. Science says that in general. The big benefit of vaccine immunity is that you do not need to risk complications of the illness to develop antibodies to the virus. But if you've already had it, that big benefit doesn't exist. So to mandate a one size fits all medicine is not following science. Having had covid doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else. Having the vaccine ALSO doesn't prevent you from getting it and passing it to someone else.
The Hill: White House: 75 percent of adults have at least one COVID-19 vaccine doseAnd that was over a month ago so most that needed a second have more than likely gotten it. Please do link your multiple legitimate studies that have not been debunked and that show a prior case of COVID confers the equivalent immunity that full vaccination does. Please link your multiple legitimate infectious disease specialists who don’t feel that everyone who CAN be vaccinated, SHOULD be vaccinated, including those who have already had the disease. I don’t know who you’re listening to. But every real expert (not chiropractors who are hawking ivermectin or whatever) I’ve heard or read about says actually having COVID confers some level of immunity, but not nearly what the vaccine does. No matter how many times you claim the opposite, I’m listening to them, not you. And for updated U.S. vaccination numbers and goals, here is the Mayo Clinic for you, updated as of Sunday. www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-trackerOh lucyg, don’t you know? It’s not for her to do that! You should do that yourself…for some apparent reason that I can’t recall right now 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 17:46:31 GMT
Oh lucyg, don’t you know? It’s not for her to do that! You should do that yourself…for some apparent reason that I can’t recall right now 😉 Positions asserted without evidence (or with disreputable evidence) can be dismissed without evidence." - Hitchen's Razor |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2021 1:03:58 GMT
www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-justice-rejects-challenge-maine-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-2021-10-19/U.S. Supreme Court justice rejects challenge to Maine COVID-19 vaccine mandate WASHINGTON, Oct 19 (Reuters) - U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer on Tuesday turned away a religious challenge to a requirement that healthcare workers in Maine be vaccinated against COVID-19, the latest such bid rejected by the nation's top judicial body. In a brief order, Breyer wrote that the challengers - unnamed plaintiffs who said they are healthcare workers and object to taking the vaccine on religious grounds - could make another request for a mandate exemption once the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled on their case. Shortly after Breyer's order, the Boston-based appeals court ruled against the healthcare workers, setting up the case to return to the Supreme Court. The Maine mandate required that all healthcare workers be fully vaccinated by the beginning of October, but the state said it would not enforce it until Oct. 29. Maine removed religious exemptions from mandated vaccines in 2019 and voters overwhelmingly rejected a referendum challenging the law last year. Breyer handled the case for the Supreme Court because he is the justice assigned to deal with emergency requests arising from cases in states in a region that includes Maine. A federal judge rejected the bid for an exemption. Breyer's order is the third time the Supreme Court has rejected an attempt to challenge a COVID-19 vaccine mandate. Justice Sonia Sotomayor this month refused to block New York City's requirement that public school teachers and employees be vaccinated. Justice Amy Coney Barrett in August denied a bid by Indiana University students to block that school's vaccination mandate.
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Post by gizzy on Oct 20, 2021 1:52:41 GMT
Another reason to consider getting a vaccine is that even though you've had covid, you have no idea how many antibodies your body has produced. You could have zilch or it could be plentiful. You don't know unless you're tested.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 20, 2021 2:36:15 GMT
Show me one study other than the one from Israel. The faults in that study have already been pointed out. There are studies like the CDC one from Arkansas or Kentucky that show acquired immunity does not offer the same protection. The objection to it is that it hasn't yet been peer reviewed. Where does it show that the studies you cite are peer reviewed? No, the vaccine does not prevent it, but you are less likely to spread it. The vaccine slows the transmission of covid. Where does it say that natural antibodies don't slow the spread? Just showing you that you did say it’s possible the vaccine is not safe. You can argue semantics all you want, but it’s not any different than saying the vaccine is unsafe. Just showing you, that no matter how many times you say I said it, I absolutely NEVER said the VACCINE is unsafe. I said "mandate vaccinations for all regardless of need. That it's quite possible that might not be safe." Read it again. And then if you still can't comprehend it, have someone you trust to be honest with you read it to you until you can comprehend what is being said. If pixiechick answered my question, I can’t find it. Do private businesses have the right to mandate vaccines for their employees as a condition of employment? I believe that they do. I think what medicine you put into your body is between your doctor and you. Your doctor would have more knowledge of your health needs and health issues than your employer. Please do link your multiple legitimate studies that have not been debunked and that show a prior case of COVID confers the equivalent immunity that full vaccination does. Not having been peer reviewed yet, doesn't mean they're debunked. Please link your multiple legitimate infectious disease specialists who don’t feel that everyone who CAN be vaccinated, SHOULD be vaccinated, including those who have already had the disease. Even Fauci couldn't say yes you need the vaccine if you've already been infected, just a couple of weeks ago. If You Had Covid, Do You Need the Vaccine? - We hope to show that there is an urgent need for debate on the issue of vaccinating people who have already recovered from Covid-19.(not chiropractors who are hawking ivermectin or whatever) Extremely lame dismissal of doctors, scientists and epidemiologists. The goal posts have been moved, but not by me. They added in younger ages and NOW it doesn't meet the goal. I've lost track of how many times they moved the goal posts but we're in the dozens and dozens by now. Starting with Fauci: “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask” and "15 days to slow the spread" Oh lucyg, don’t you know? It’s not for her to do that! You should do that yourself…for some apparent reason that I can’t recall right now 😉 Oh, you mean the one time someone told me their thoughts and when I asked them for links or info on how they came to that opinion, they told me to look it up to figure out what THEY think? Of course, I know you realize that's not possible. Another reason to consider getting a vaccine is that even though you've had covid, you have no idea how many antibodies your body has produced. You could have zilch or it could be plentiful. You don't know unless you're tested. That's true. My original point in this thread was to push back against the idea that if you don't vaccinate, it's only because you're selfish. There are other reasons that have nothing to do with being selfish. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2021 3:13:37 GMT
As I pointed out before, the faults in the Israeli study are more than not being peer reviewed. Here are some others www.factcheck.org/2021/09/scicheck-instagram-post-missing-context-about-israeli-study-on-covid-19-natural-immunity/www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/01/gateway-pundit/immunity-gained-covid-19-infection-ignores-risks-g/I'll ask the question again. What study other than the Israeli study shows that acquired immunity is better than immunity from the vaccine? Where is the proof that acquired immunity slows the spread? There are studies that show vaccinations slow the spread. Again semantics. Saying that its quite possible the vaccine might not be safe is not any different from saying the vaccine is unsafe. All of the evidence and more than 1 billion doses given show that the vaccine is safe. No, its not quite possible Also, the hypocrisy of your rude, insulting statement is unbelievable. You went after other posters for being rude, but its Ok for you to insult my intelligence and suggest I can't read? I'm perfectly capable of reading your statement which implies the vaccine is unsafe - a bold lie. Even the Supreme Court agrees states have the right to mandate vaccines for employees and health care workers. Employers have an ethical and legal obligation to ensure the workplace is safe. During a global pandemic, that means using every measure available to stop the transmission of the virus. If you choose not to get vaccinated, time to get tested if your employer allows that or look for another job. We've all asked the question repeatedly. Other than the Israeli study and the Washington Post opinion, what scientists, epidemiologists and doctors are suggesting that acquired immunity is the same as immunity from the vaccine? Still waiting for that. Without evidence, it's not a stretch or a dismissal to suggest chiropractors pushing ivermectin. Yes, the recommendations changed as the situation evolved and more information became available. We've covered that ad naseum but you continue to ignore that and repeatedly bring up the changing recommendations on masks. As many of us have pointed out multiple times, having covid is not a valid reason or an excuse for not getting vaccinated. Acquired immunity is not the same as immunity from a vaccine and does not offer the same protection against variants. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 20, 2021 4:35:10 GMT
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