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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2021 21:25:11 GMT
Don't mess with the government in Singapore, EVER!! Singapore to stop paying medical bills for the 'unvaccinated by choice'Agence France-Presse November 09, 2021 Singapore will from next month stop paying coronavirus medical bills of those who are unvaccinated by choice, officials have said, as a fierce outbreak put the city-state's healthcare system under strain. The tiny country is experiencing its worst Covid-19 wave since the start of the pandemic, reporting around 2,000-3,000 cases a day and a handful of deaths. The government had always covered the medical bills of all Singaporeans and other residents in certain categories infected with the virus, except for those who tested positive soon after returning from overseas. But from December 8, authorities will begin charging Covid-19 patients who are unvaccinated by choice, the ministry of health said Monday.Unvaccinated persons make up a sizable majority of those who require intensive inpatient care, and disproportionately contribute to the strain on our healthcare resources," the ministry said in a statement. Those affected will still be able to use regular financing arrangements to cover the cost, such as private insurance. Bills for those who are ineligible for vaccination -- such as children under 12 or those with certain medical conditions -- will still be fully paid. Singapore has one of the world's highest vaccination rates, with 85 percent of its 5.5 million population fully inoculated. www.rawstory.com/singapore-to-stop-paying-medical-bills-for-the-unvaccinated-by-choice/ |
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 22:00:09 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 10, 2021 21:13:07 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 10, 2021 21:19:12 GMT
Yay to the parents.. I have seen many interviews where the kids are saying they were so happy to get the vaccinations, by their choice.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 17, 2021 21:05:10 GMT
The ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit calls Biden vaccine mandate ‘fatally flawed’ and ‘staggeringly overbroad’ and halted it.
Biden being above the law and all, told businesses to do it anyway. OSHA is smart enough to not comply with the Biden admin.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 17, 2021 21:16:55 GMT
The ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit calls Biden vaccine mandate ‘fatally flawed’ and ‘staggeringly overbroad’ and halted it. Biden being above the law and all, told businesses to do it anyway. OSHA is smart enough to not comply with the Biden admin. Not surprising. This is what happens when Republicans stack the courts. www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055194418/a-lottery-could-determine-the-fate-of-bidens-vaccine-rule-for-84-million-workersThe 5th Circuit Court of Appeals based in New Orleans, which temporarily halted the OSHA rule on Nov. 6 and then reaffirmed that decision on Nov. 12, is known as one of the most conservative in the country. The three-judge panel that stayed the OSHA rule is the same panel that allowed Texas's strict anti-abortion law to stand in September.
However, its ruling on the vaccine-or-test rule will be overtaken by decisions issued by the federal appeals court chosen in the lottery.
And OSHA did issue rules www.npr.org/2021/11/04/1048939858/osha-biden-vaccine-mandate-employers-100-workers |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 17, 2021 21:20:20 GMT
The ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit calls Biden vaccine mandate ‘fatally flawed’ and ‘staggeringly overbroad’ and halted it. Biden being above the law and all, told businesses to do it anyway. OSHA is smart enough to not comply with the Biden admin. Not surprising. This is what happens when Republicans stack the courts. www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055194418/a-lottery-could-determine-the-fate-of-bidens-vaccine-rule-for-84-million-workersThe 5th Circuit Court of Appeals based in New Orleans, which temporarily halted the OSHA rule on Nov. 6 and then reaffirmed that decision on Nov. 12, is known as one of the most conservative in the country. The three-judge panel that stayed the OSHA rule is the same panel that allowed Texas's strict anti-abortion law to stand in September. However, its ruling on the vaccine-or-test rule will be overtaken by decisions issued by the federal appeals court chosen in the lottery. The 5th circuit is the most egregiously stacked conservative court in the country. I wouldn’t be holding its decisions up as some kind of useful example of community sentiment. |
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Post by anonaname on Nov 17, 2021 22:01:31 GMT
Not surprising. This is what happens when Republicans stack the courts. www.npr.org/2021/11/15/1055194418/a-lottery-could-determine-the-fate-of-bidens-vaccine-rule-for-84-million-workersThe 5th Circuit Court of Appeals based in New Orleans, which temporarily halted the OSHA rule on Nov. 6 and then reaffirmed that decision on Nov. 12, is known as one of the most conservative in the country. The three-judge panel that stayed the OSHA rule is the same panel that allowed Texas's strict anti-abortion law to stand in September. However, its ruling on the vaccine-or-test rule will be overtaken by decisions issued by the federal appeals court chosen in the lottery. The 5th circuit is the most egregiously stacked conservative court in the country. I wouldn’t be holding its decisions up as some kind of useful example of community sentiment. Guess it's okay to invalidate decisions from any circuit court we don't agree with based on your "logic", lol. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 17, 2021 22:08:20 GMT
The 5th circuit is the most egregiously stacked conservative court in the country. I wouldn’t be holding its decisions up as some kind of useful example of community sentiment. Guess it's okay to invalidate decisions from any circuit court we don't agree with based on your "logic", lol. No one is invalidating the decision. Just pointing out that it's not surprising given the very conservative nature of the court. And the decision is only temporary. The 6th Circuit court and possibly, the Supreme Court will have the final say. |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 17, 2021 22:22:05 GMT
Ugh the fact I have to see any of the drivel either of them says because they’re quoted is aggravating.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 1:43:10 GMT
If Covid numbers are out of control and hospitals are overwhelmed, a lockdown for the unvaccinated seems fair and reasonable to me at this point. I'm tired of everyone paying the consequences for the selfish unvaccinated. I don't hold children or people who can't get vaccinated for valid medical reasons accountable. And this would never work in the US, but it's an interesting approach. I'm all for making life difficult for the unvaccinated who are putting everyone else at risk. The vaccination rate in Austria is only slightly lower than the US. www.npr.org/2021/11/19/1057182839/austria-lockdown-covid-vaccination-mandatory-mandateVIENNA — Austria will go into a national lockdown to contain a fourth wave of coronavirus cases, Chancellor Alexander Schallenberg announced Friday, as new COVID-19 infections hit a record high amid a pandemic surge across Europe.
Earlier this month, Austria introduced rules that barred unvaccinated people from restaurants, hotels and large events.
And starting Monday, the government is imposing a national lockdown only for the unvaccinated.
apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-europe-austria-health-d00bebed71fbf5b69a19a549ef7279b9BERLIN (AP) — The Austrian government has ordered a nationwide lockdown for unvaccinated people starting at midnight Sunday to combat rising coronavirus infections and deaths.
The move prohibits unvaccinated people 12 and older from leaving their homes except for basic activities such as working, grocery shopping, going for a walk — or getting vaccinated.
The chancellor said the details would be finalized in the coming weeks but those who continued to refuse to get vaccinated would have to expect to be fined. In addition, booster shots are now available to all vaccinated individuals starting four months after their second dose.
"For a long time, the consensus in this country was that we didn't want mandatory vaccination," Schallenberg said. "For a long time, perhaps too long." |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 20, 2021 6:42:49 GMT
Ugh the fact I have to see any of the drivel either of them says because they’re quoted is aggravating. I don’t see anyone I have blocked, even when they’re quoted, unless I select ‘display quote’. I’m view this site on Safari, perhaps that’s the difference? |
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Post by hookturnian on Nov 20, 2021 13:52:06 GMT
The vaccination rate in Austria is only slightly lower than the US. Hate to possibly be the bearer of bad news, but according to Our World in Data, Austria has a higher vaccination rate than the US, 64.3% fully vaxxed versus the US rate of 57.8%. Austria has also administered more booster doses. I hope the covid situation in Europe isn't a glimpse into the US in a month or so. |
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Post by sueg on Nov 20, 2021 14:53:39 GMT
The vaccination rate in Austria is only slightly lower than the US. Hate to possibly be the bearer of bad news, but according to Our World in Data, Austria has a higher vaccination rate than the US, 64.3% fully vaxxed versus the US rate of 57.8%. Austria has also administered more booster doses. I hope the covid situation in Europe isn't a glimpse into the US in a month or so.I read an article in The Guardian this week that said exactly that. The US ignored what was happening in Europe in March 2020, and again before that winter, and both times it didn't go well for them. To be sitting back and thinking this is a Europe problem, and not looking at what is happening here, and how it can be avoided/minimised, would seem to be foolish. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 15:37:24 GMT
Hate to possibly be the bearer of bad news, but according to Our World in Data, Austria has a higher vaccination rate than the US, 64.3% fully vaxxed versus the US rate of 57.8%. Austria has also administered more booster doses. I hope the covid situation in Europe isn't a glimpse into the US in a month or so.I read an article in The Guardian this week that said exactly that. The US ignored what was happening in Europe in March 2020, and again before that winter, and both times it didn't go well for them. To be sitting back and thinking this is a Europe problem, and not looking at what is happening here, and how it can be avoided/minimised, would seem to be foolish. Sorry, I thought the US had passed the 60% threshold for fully vaxxed but regrettably, we haven't. I agree completely. In March of 2020, Europe was a preview of what would happen in the US and is probably a preview now. I know the cases in my school, my town and state are all spiking. Heading into the holidays, winter etc, none of that is good news. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/16/1056232480/u-s-covid-cases-rising-holidaysAmericans are moving around like they were before the pandemic, mask wearing is low compared to last year, people are spending more time indoors because of cooler weather, and protection against infection, both from vaccinations and prior infection, is waning, says Ali Mokdad, professor of Health Metrics Sciences at the University of Washington's Institute of Health Metrics and Evaluation.
"You put all of this together — and what you see in Europe where many countries with higher vaccination rates than the United States are seeing a surge — of course, it's going to happen," he says.
And unlike last year, the U.S. has to contend with a much more contagious version of the virus "that makes it really hard to snuff out chains of transmission," not to mention "human nature, which is wanting us to get back to pre-pandemic life," says Reich at UMass Amherst. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 22, 2021 0:07:11 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 22, 2021 0:17:33 GMT
Ugh the fact I have to see any of the drivel either of them says because they’re quoted is aggravating. I don’t see anyone I have blocked, even when they’re quoted, unless I select ‘display quote’. I’m view this site on Safari, perhaps that’s the difference? I use Tapatalk app predominantly. It works differently, I guess. I don’t see the initial or single post, but I do when it’s quoted. Sometimes it’s very buggy. But is far more convenient for posting pics/links etc. I have very few people blocked so it’s normally not an issue, but I’m tired of people that ruin threads by posting entirely in bad faith. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 22, 2021 1:28:58 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 22, 2021 4:11:07 GMT
Biden said that he would not do mandates. He said it wasn't necessary and he set a goal of 70% vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity to be safe.
60–70% is what's needed to reach herd immunity. We surpassed that a while ago. So they changed the FACT that we DID hit percentage needed, by adding in children to the vaccine rates. That didn't change the percentage needed to reach herd immunity. It DID change the "percentage reached" in order to "justify" mandate under threat of your job. Or threat of participating in society.
That's not science, that's tyranny.
The vaccine mandate was set to go into effect in January. Leaving the unvaccinated to be unvaccinated for 2 more months so businesses wouldn't be affected during the holidays. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to protect everyone, but not important enough to stop the unvaccinated from shopping and "putting the vaccinated at risk".
That's not safety. That's not science.
The vaccine mandate doesn't require businesses under 99 employees to require the oh so required vaccine. If you have a business with under 99 employees, they won't get or spread covid?
Thats not safety. That's not science.
Of all the leaders telling us how important it is to continue to wear a mask and mandating everyone else do so, why are so many of them being caught in situations where they don't follow the rules? Still. Over a year later.
That's not safety.
How do they expect anyone to give a shit about protecting others if THEY don't even give a shit about protecting others?
If they don't give a shit, why ask everyone else to give a shit?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 22, 2021 4:26:19 GMT
Biden said that he would not do mandates. He said it wasn't necessary and he set a goal of 70% vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity to be safe. 60–70% is what's needed to reach herd immunity. We surpassed that a while ago. So they changed the FACT that we DID hit percentage needed, by adding in children to the vaccine rates. That didn't change the percentage needed to reach herd immunity. It DID change the "percentage reached" in order to "justify" mandate under threat of your job. Or threat of participating in society. That's not science, that's tyranny. The vaccine mandate was set to go into effect in January. Leaving the unvaccinated to be unvaccinated for 2 more months so businesses wouldn't be affected during the holidays. It's so important to be vaccinated in order to protect everyone, but not important enough to stop the unvaccinated from shopping and "putting the vaccinated at risk". That's not safety. That's not science. The vaccine mandate doesn't require businesses under 99 employees to require the oh so required vaccine. If you have a business with under 99 employees, they won't get or spread covid? Thats not safety. That's not science. Of all the leaders telling us how important it is to continue to wear a mask and mandating everyone else do so, why are so many of them being caught in situations where they don't follow the rules? Still. Over a year later. That's not safety. How do they expect anyone to give a shit about protecting others if THEY don't even give a shit about protecting others? If they don't give a shit, why ask everyone else to give a shit? Oh, I don’t know. To me, since I am a member of a community, it seems right to get the vaccine and the booster-to do my part. Of course, this inconveniences people, and disrupts their fun. To some people, that matters more. I’m sure glad that those people weren’t alive during WW2. Imagine how angry they would be about food and gas rationing. Why, the nerve of the government asking them to give up their “freedom” to drive as much as they want! The unvaccinated are getting sicker and dying in higher numbers than the vaccinated. And that’s a fact. |
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Post by gar on Nov 22, 2021 9:16:21 GMT
How do they expect anyone to give a shit about protecting others if THEY don't even give a shit about protecting others? Because people can think for themselves and make sensible decisions...oh wait... |
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How do they expect anyone to give a shit about protecting others if THEY don't even give a shit about protecting others? If they don't give a shit, why ask everyone else to give a shit? Because it called personal responsibility and common sense. Do you drink and drive because others do so? Do you drive above the speed limit because others do so? Do you drive through the red light because others do so? All the above are legally binding but it makes no difference to the ones that do as they don't give a s*** about others either. But for the ones that don't. it's not so much that it is against the law to do so but that there is the risk that they are going to affect other people's lives with dire consequences. That was the reason that they were made illegal - because some couldn't give a s***. They lacked personal responsibility and/or common sense! Not against the law:- Would you go to work when infected with Rubella knowing your colleague sitting next to you was in the early stages of pregnancy? Would you expose a person you work with going through chemo by coughing and sneezing in their presence because you decided to go to work infected with the flu or pneumonia? I'm assuming you would know the risk involved to others for both the above. Both the above are selfish attitudes and has nothing to do with taking the stance of THEY don't do it so why should I. Using that excuse is lame and missing that personal responsibility for ones actions towards others. It's no different with this virus. It's not mandated to wear a mask in the UK but many of us do, not only to protect ourselves but to protect others if by chance, unknowingly, we could be infecting others. I want to make a personal contribution to breaking that chain of infection so I wear a mask, keep my distance and good hygiene. I'm fully vaccinated and have an appointment, which I was able to make as of today, to receive my booster. Would you not wish to do the same regardless of what anyone else is doing? Obviously not, if you are unable to comprehend the risk involved unless it's mandated to do so or if Mr X or Mrs Y is not doing the same. It's very easy to shift the blame to others when you choose to be " I'm alright Jack to hell with anyone else" but one is too weak/guilty to admit it. THEY don't do it so I won't and FREEDOM excuses is just plain selfish, whichever way one looks at it. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 22, 2021 14:06:37 GMT
Today was the deadline for federal workers - not January www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1057484060/today-is-the-deadline-for-federal-workers-to-be-vaccinatedEach branch of the military has a different deadline Nov 4, Nov 28 & Dec 28 www.nytimes.com/2021/11/03/us/politics/air-force-reaches-vaccine-deadline.htmlFor businesses with more than 100 employees, private contractors and health care workers the deadline is Jan 4 because of pressure from businesses www.politico.com/news/2021/11/04/biden-vaccine-mandates-private-employers-519477The Biden administration’s forthcoming vaccine mandates for millions of private employers, certain health care workers and federal contractors will not be enforced until after the holiday season, following weeks of pressure from business leaders who complained the rules would wreak havoc on the supply chain and aggravate worker shortages.
While employers were given a brief reprieve from immediately implementing the test piece of the rule, the administration clarified that businesses must be in compliance on Dec. 5 with all other requirements, such as providing paid time off for employees to get vaccinated and requiring unvaccinated workers to wear a mask in the workplace.
The administration’s move to delay the federal contractor mandate comes after trade groups, businesses and Republicans complained that the requirements will force employers to fire workers who refuse to get the vaccine or lead to mass resignations among workers who don’t want to comply, leading to more disruption in the labor market and the supply chain ahead of the crucial holiday season.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 22, 2021 21:32:53 GMT
How do they expect anyone to give a shit about protecting others if THEY don't even give a shit about protecting others? If they don't give a shit, why ask everyone else to give a shit? Because it called personal responsibility and common sense. Do you drink and drive because others do so? Do you drive above the speed limit because others do so? Do you drive through the red light because others do so? All the above are legally binding but it makes no difference to the ones that do as they don't give a s*** about others either. But for the ones that don't. it's not so much that it is against the law to do so but that there is the risk that they are going to affect other people's lives with dire consequences. That was the reason that they were made illegal - because some couldn't give a s***. They lacked personal responsibility and/or common sense! Not against the law:- Would you go to work when infected with Rubella knowing your colleague sitting next to you was in the early stages of pregnancy? Would you expose a person you work with going through chemo by coughing and sneezing in their presence because you decided to go to work infected with the flu or pneumonia? I'm assuming you would know the risk involved to others for both the above. Both the above are selfish attitudes and has nothing to do with taking the stance of THEY don't do it so why should I. Using that excuse is lame and missing that personal responsibility for ones actions towards others. It's no different with this virus. It's not mandated to wear a mask in the UK but many of us do, not only to protect ourselves but to protect others if by chance, unknowingly, we could be infecting others. I want to make a personal contribution to breaking that chain of infection so I wear a mask, keep my distance and good hygiene. I'm fully vaccinated and have an appointment, which I was able to make as of today, to receive my booster. Would you not wish to do the same regardless of what anyone else is doing? Obviously not, if you are unable to comprehend the risk involved unless it's mandated to do so or if Mr X or Mrs Y is not doing the same. It's very easy to shift the blame to others when you choose to be " I'm alright Jack to hell with anyone else" but one is too weak/guilty to admit it. THEY don't do it so I won't and FREEDOM excuses is just plain selfish, whichever way one looks at it. You're arguing a point I never made. My statement was addressing the leaders do as I say, not as I do entitlement attitude. It wasn't addressing anyone else. But you knew that. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 23, 2021 2:39:52 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1057427047/republicans-are-changing-state-laws-to-try-and-get-out-of-federal-vaccine-mandatRepublican lawmakers across the country look determined to take on the Biden administration's insistence that employers require their workers to get vaccinated against COVID-19Exemptions hurt the effort to end the pandemic
If the Iowa law does end up allowing a lot of people to avoid vaccine mandates, it could hurt efforts to end the coronavirus pandemic.
"If we don't have people actually get vaccinated, we're going to continue to have these pockets of people who aren't protected," says Dr. Christy Petersen, the director of the Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases at the University of Iowa. "Even if they have gotten sick ... the evidence is that they don't stay protected for very long. And we will just continue to go through cycles of illness and death within these groups."
Petersen says workplace vaccine mandates have been effective and information from past vaccine campaigns shows that making it easier to get out of a mandate drives down vaccination rates, according to Petersen. She says exemptions for childhood vaccines have required getting a signature or showing some kind of proof.
"It turns out that that one extra step does make it so that people are less likely to try to use the exemption," Petersen says. "So any small hurdle does lead to more people getting vaccinated and providing greater protection across the state."[/i]
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 23, 2021 2:43:10 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-delta-unvaccinated-higher-health-insurance-premiumsCompanies are telling unvaccinated workers to pay more for health insuranceOne employer is trying a different tactic. Mercyhealth, which has more than 7,000 employees at hospitals and clinics in Wisconsin and Illinois, introduced what it called a "risk pool fee," instead of higher health care premiums. Since mid-October, unvaccinated employees have had $60 deducted from their wages each month to go into this pool.
In a memo to employees, Mercyhealth compared the fee to 16-year-old drivers having to pay more for auto insurance to cover the heightened risks they present as new drivers.
Alen Brcic, Mercyhealth's vice president of people and culture, says $60 per month is a nominal amount, even symbolic. Mercyhealth still bears most of the costs when someone misses work or is hospitalized because of Covid.
But after the policy was announced in September, the vaccination rate among the health system's employees rose to 91% from around 70%, according to Brcic.
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Because it called personal responsibility and common sense. Do you drink and drive because others do so? Do you drive above the speed limit because others do so? Do you drive through the red light because others do so? All the above are legally binding but it makes no difference to the ones that do as they don't give a s*** about others either. But for the ones that don't. it's not so much that it is against the law to do so but that there is the risk that they are going to affect other people's lives with dire consequences. That was the reason that they were made illegal - because some couldn't give a s***. They lacked personal responsibility and/or common sense! Not against the law:- Would you go to work when infected with Rubella knowing your colleague sitting next to you was in the early stages of pregnancy? Would you expose a person you work with going through chemo by coughing and sneezing in their presence because you decided to go to work infected with the flu or pneumonia? I'm assuming you would know the risk involved to others for both the above. Both the above are selfish attitudes and has nothing to do with taking the stance of THEY don't do it so why should I. Using that excuse is lame and missing that personal responsibility for ones actions towards others. It's no different with this virus. It's not mandated to wear a mask in the UK but many of us do, not only to protect ourselves but to protect others if by chance, unknowingly, we could be infecting others. I want to make a personal contribution to breaking that chain of infection so I wear a mask, keep my distance and good hygiene. I'm fully vaccinated and have an appointment, which I was able to make as of today, to receive my booster. Would you not wish to do the same regardless of what anyone else is doing? Obviously not, if you are unable to comprehend the risk involved unless it's mandated to do so or if Mr X or Mrs Y is not doing the same. It's very easy to shift the blame to others when you choose to be " I'm alright Jack to hell with anyone else" but one is too weak/guilty to admit it. THEY don't do it so I won't and FREEDOM excuses is just plain selfish, whichever way one looks at it. You're arguing a point I never made. My statement was addressing the leaders do as I say, not as I do entitlement attitude. It wasn't addressing anyone else. But you knew that. The same principle would apply to both, whether they are the President or ones neighbours, family or co-worker . Did you apply the same expectation to everything Trump encouraged people to do or not do during the four years he was in office? An interesting observation on the use of your vocabulary though. To me personally, to lead by example has a very different connotation when referring to a Democratically elected President and a representative government rather than calling them " leaders" Maybe you've moved to North Korea or China and got confused! |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 23, 2021 13:51:01 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/11/22/1056238770/covid-delta-unvaccinated-higher-health-insurance-premiumsCompanies are telling unvaccinated workers to pay more for health insuranceOne employer is trying a different tactic. Mercyhealth, which has more than 7,000 employees at hospitals and clinics in Wisconsin and Illinois, introduced what it called a "risk pool fee," instead of higher health care premiums. Since mid-October, unvaccinated employees have had $60 deducted from their wages each month to go into this pool.
In a memo to employees, Mercyhealth compared the fee to 16-year-old drivers having to pay more for auto insurance to cover the heightened risks they present as new drivers.
Alen Brcic, Mercyhealth's vice president of people and culture, says $60 per month is a nominal amount, even symbolic. Mercyhealth still bears most of the costs when someone misses work or is hospitalized because of Covid.
But after the policy was announced in September, the vaccination rate among the health system's employees rose to 91% from around 70%, according to Brcic. And this is the correct way to encourage folks to get vaccinated. Don’t get it if you don’t want to. But in case you don’t, get Covid and incur very expensive hospital bills, you are going to pay higher premiums. It’s fair because there is no reason why the rest of us should have our premiums be higher just because you-general you- refused to get vaccinated. It’s a logical consequence. |
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Post by gar on Nov 23, 2021 14:20:05 GMT
The German Health Minister (I believe) has said that "By Spring everyone will either be vaccinated, recovered or dead."
No beating around the bush there!!
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Post by sueg on Nov 23, 2021 14:31:06 GMT
The German Health Minister (I believe) has said that "By Spring everyone will either be vaccinated, recovered or dead." No beating around the bush there!! Yes, it was Jens Spähn, the Health minister. He has said in the past few weeks that with Delta around and the rate at which our infection rate skyrocketed a couple of weeks ago, that he believed there was no escaping getting Covid if you weren't vaccinated. He was NOT saying, as some people inferred, that all the unvaxxed would die, just that they would most probably get infected, and therefore would count among the 'recovered' if they survived. |
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