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Post by Merge on Nov 8, 2021 22:54:00 GMT
That is not true. You are less likely to catch COVID if you are vaccinated, which also means you are less likely to spread COVID than a non-vaccinated person. OP, I am sorry you are dealing with this. I feel very fortunate that my work took this SUPER SERIOUSLY and mandated vaccines (before the state mandated them anyway for educators). They did think this in the early days of the vaccine. It’s been disproven, and is on the CDC website. Also, children have a 99.998% survival rate against COVID. That, or an experimental vaccine? Come on people. No. This is factually incorrect and you are misinformed. You are still much less likely to catch and transmit Covid if you are vaccinated. There is no current info on the CDC website that says differently. And I don’t know about you, but survival is not the only thing I want for my kids. I’d also like to prevent long Covid and MIS-C which, while rare, are serious and debilitating and far more common than any negative reaction to this vaccine. |
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 8, 2021 22:58:59 GMT
If you are vaccinated you are sick for a shorter amount of time, decreasing the amount of time you can pass it on. And yes you are also less likely to get it at all. This is on the cdc site.
And as we all know you are much, much less likely to be hospitalized, intubated and land in the ICU - if f you are not vaccinated you are selfishly putting our healthcare workers at risk. Let me tell you it’s really no fun to intubate and run a code on someone with covid.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 23:16:55 GMT
I find it interesting that those who do not want the government interfering with what they put in their body are the same folks (general folks) who want to prevent a woman from having dominion over her own body by preventing a woman's choice to have an abortion. Wrong. funny how many of you have stated pretty horrible things. unvaxx are assholes,ignorant, selfish, etc. Isn't that interesting. I do not say bad about those vaccinated. This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read here. Of course you don't say anything bad about those who are vaccinated, because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO! What "bad thing" could you possibly say to people who are vaccinated? "Oh you pathetic, weak fool, how dare you get vaccinated to help keep yourself and your family and the general public safe?! Why won't you think about the rest of us who are prepared to DIE and to take other people out with us!"  Actually, buggirl47 is right. This thread and especially this thread (and there are others) are proof of the disdain shown towards conservatives from those on this board who lean toward more liberal beliefs. As for determining how much breakthrough infections really happen...I always found this part from the CDC site interesting. If they are only tracking breakthrough cases for hospitalizations do they really know just how many breakthrough cases there are? No - because they can't know. They (the CDC) does not have the data. Beginning May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance. CDC will continue to lead studies in multiple U.S. sites to evaluate vaccine effectiveness and collect information on all COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections regardless of clinical status. Additional information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases are available at www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html.Source: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htmBefore anyone gets into a twist, I believe the vaccines are worthwhile. I am vaccinated. But, we are heading down a slippery slope making mandates on what people have to do with their own bodies based on recommendations supported by data that's not there. It's science. it's unfolding in realtime, in full view, and it's messy. I realize the CDC and world scientists are doing the best they can with what they have. However, when what they have doesn't provide a the clearest picture possible, making decisions and mandates while standing on thin glass 60,000 feet in the air never turns out well. There are other smart people in the world besides the CDC who work for well respected, governmental agencies. They don't always agree with how the US and the CDC messages and positions things because the US and the CDC aren't always right.[/i] |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 8, 2021 23:26:37 GMT
And how do you feel about those who now saying all vaccines should be choice. Are you really ready for polio, measles, pregnant women exposed and possibly catching rubella? What deadly small pox back? Chicken pox that leaves the virus for shingles?
The mRna vaccine base is over 10 years old... Not so new... Pfizer and Moderna are FULLY APPROVED by the FDA...
The anti-body treatment is still emergency use approval.. all the other 'cures' .. Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquin don't work!!
Long Covid IS a fact!!!
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Post by Zee on Nov 8, 2021 23:30:43 GMT
I feel sorry for those who think getting vaccinated you are safe. You can still get the virus, still carry the virus and still die from the virus. So why not everyone still wear masks for ever or until every variant of COVID passes. I have my reasons not to be vaccinated and I did get covid at the beginning of this pandemic. My parents are still unvaccinated and were out every day but still take precautions. My nephew almost died from it at 32. No one is safe (vaccinated or not, young or old, etc). But the fact is this has torn apart our nation and that infuriates me. The fact that people aren't seeing others have choices is crazy. I don't walk in others shoes so do not want to push my thoughts or actions on them. If I have done my research and made an informed decision for my body why would someone deny me the right to live my life and if I die because i didn't get the vaccine, i accept that decision. If I believe I could die getting the vaccine, why would someone else's fear be higher then my own fear of injecting something into my body that I feel could possibly kill me? Why isn't my fear accepted and acknowledged and I have the right to not put anything in my body i don't want to. How many of you took the vaccine for work, travel, going into restaurants, because your doctor told you to? What is in the vaccine? do you know all the ingredients and side effects? what does the clinical studies actually show? I did my research and no thank you. I have an exemption and I hope I do not lose my job over a freedom i have. I will tell you I do take it seriously enough to purchase 2 tests a week. I believe that is the only way out of this whole thing. if I get vaccinated and still pass or carry the virus, am i not dangerous to my neighbor or person at a grocery store in line? I feel like if I can test and be negative, then i know i am not carrying it and passing it to others. It is more than just a shot. It is removing my right as a human. Let me tell you that as a nurse I've seen countless people die from not having the vaccine, a few vaccinated die (generally, elderly), and absolutely no one die from the vaccine. That's not research, that's what I have personally witnessed just where I work which was hit very hard in the 3rd and 4th waves. You do you, at this point I don't care at all whether someone chooses to be vaccinated or not. But don't think for a minute your chances of dying from this "experimental" vaccine are anywhere near the chances of dying with Covid. As an aside, I have been vaccinated and a pleasant side effect was that I quit having immune flares afterward. For this reason alone I'm going to get a booster. I seem pretty incapable of actually getting the virus at this point. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 8, 2021 23:32:54 GMT
They are tracking breakthrough cases. I don't know where to find the actual facts. BUT I know for a fact because I was contacted and I had to fill out info on it from the Dept of Health. And it's not those hospitalized. It's those with a lab documented positive COVID test. Of course there are probably many more non tested cases, but usually people arnt sick enough to get tested. So again, that's a positive.
None of my posts were in disdain. They were asking clarifying questions and stating known facts back to misinformation. I live in a red area. My dh is a conservative, BUT is vaccinated. Trust me I've heard it all.
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Post by CardBoxer on Nov 8, 2021 23:34:57 GMT
I find it interesting that those who do not want the government interfering with what they put in their body are the same folks (general folks) who want to prevent a woman from having dominion over her own body by preventing a woman's choice to have an abortion. Wrong. This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read here. Of course you don't say anything bad about those who are vaccinated, because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO! What "bad thing" could you possibly say to people who are vaccinated? "Oh you pathetic, weak fool, how dare you get vaccinated to help keep yourself and your family and the general public safe?! Why won't you think about the rest of us who are prepared to DIE and to take other people out with us!" Actually, buggirl47 is right. This thread and especially this thread (and there are others) are proof of the disdain shown towards conservatives from those on this board who lean toward more liberal beliefs. This is about health, medicine and science. It is not a liberal belief - it’s a health belief. Disdain is toward people who are so selfish that they don’t care if they make others sick or die, and who only listen to conspiracy theorists who don’t believe in science. trump initially said covid was no big deal. He manacled top advisors and would not promote the vaccines. So yes, there’s sadly a political element to this mess - and there never had to be. Polio and influenza vaccines were not political but trump and his whackos made these vaccines political. The conservatives who live on my street got vaccinated as quickly as they could. That’s sanity, so there is zero disdain. |
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Post by bunnyhug on Nov 8, 2021 23:49:43 GMT
I don't know how it works in the US, but here my kids were all required to have a series of vaccinations before they were allowed to be in school ... and I really have no idea what's in a measles vaccination or a polio one, and I'm more than happy to have them in my body! I also have no idea what's in Tylenol or my shampoo or the slurpee I might have on a hot day. And I have zero issue with giving up some of my 'freedoms' to protect others or to make our society function ... but I am firmly at the democratic socialist end of the scale, and Canadian to boot! Fun fact, my friend who works at our local hospital told our book group last week that once someone in ICU has been there for two weeks, they are no longer counted as a 'covid patient' because theoretically they are no longer sick from covid, but just suffering from one of the effects of it. So that makes numbers look better for our health district/system in the province because covid numbers seem to drop ... until you realize that the people who no longer have covid are being replaced by new ones, and not really getting out of the hospital  I would have real issues working with unvaccinated folks, I think ... I'd question their 'team player' ability, if nothing else. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 9, 2021 0:12:08 GMT
This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read here. Of course you don't say anything bad about those who are vaccinated, because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO! What "bad thing" could you possibly say to people who are vaccinated? "Oh you pathetic, weak fool, how dare you get vaccinated to help keep yourself and your family and the general public safe?! Why won't you think about the rest of us who are prepared to DIE and to take other people out with us!" Actually, buggirl47 is right. This thread and especially this thread (and there are others) are proof of the disdain shown towards conservatives from those on this board who lean toward more liberal beliefs. Oh, I'm not disputing that plenty of people have said some things that anti vaxxers would consider "pretty horrible" (in her words). You don't have to link me up to any threads. I'm one of the people who says "pretty horrible" things about idiot conspiracy theorist anti vaxxers. What I found hilarious was her claim that she would never say anything bad about people who are vaccinated. I mean, what bad thing could anyone possibly say about those of us who are vaccinated? |
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 0:14:59 GMT
I find it interesting that those who do not want the government interfering with what they put in their body are the same folks (general folks) who want to prevent a woman from having dominion over her own body by preventing a woman's choice to have an abortion. Wrong. This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read here. Of course you don't say anything bad about those who are vaccinated, because IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO! What "bad thing" could you possibly say to people who are vaccinated? "Oh you pathetic, weak fool, how dare you get vaccinated to help keep yourself and your family and the general public safe?! Why won't you think about the rest of us who are prepared to DIE and to take other people out with us!" Actually, buggirl47 is right. This thread and especially this thread (and there are others) are proof of the disdain shown towards conservatives from those on this board who lean toward more liberal beliefs. As for determining how much breakthrough infections really happen...I always found this part from the CDC site interesting. If they are only tracking breakthrough cases for hospitalizations do they really know just how many breakthrough cases there are? No - because they can't know. They (the CDC) does not have the data. Beginning May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections to investigating only those among patients who are hospitalized or die, thereby focusing on the cases of highest clinical and public health significance. CDC will continue to lead studies in multiple U.S. sites to evaluate vaccine effectiveness and collect information on all COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infections regardless of clinical status. Additional information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases are available at www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html.Source: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7021e3.htmBefore anyone gets into a twist, I believe the vaccines are worthwhile. I am vaccinated. But, we are heading down a slippery slope making mandates on what people have to do with their own bodies based on recommendations supported by data that's not there. It's science. it's unfolding in realtime, in full view, and it's messy. I realize the CDC and world scientists are doing the best they can with what they have. However, when what they have doesn't provide a the clearest picture possible, making decisions and mandates while standing on thin glass 60,000 feet in the air never turns out well. There are other smart people in the world besides the CDC who work for well respected, governmental agencies. They don't always agree with how the US and the CDC messages and positions things because the US and the CDC aren't always right. [/i][/quote] You’re connecting two things that don’t go together. The fact that vaccinated, non-hospitalized cases cannot be tracked in the general population is not related to the studies being run where they are tracking exactly that thing in a subset of the population. The misinformation and paranoia being spread by the anti-vax people on the right is killing people. It simply is. We can see across the country that hospitalizations and deaths are highest where vaccination numbers are the lowest. Meanwhile, the number of verified serious negative reactions to the vaccine are vanishingly small. Much smaller than the number of childhood deaths, and the anti-vaxxers are all about Covid being “no threat” to children. The fact is that no one is being forced to get this vaccine. It is, however, a condition of employment in some cases. That’s because being unvaccinated is a much greater safety risk to others than being vaccinated. If we can drug test people to keep the workplace safe, we can require vaccinations to keep the workplace safe. Those who don’t like it can seek employment elsewhere. We could have a whole other discussion about drug testing in the workplace, which is arguably more of a burden on the employee as it monitors not only whether the employee is safe at work but whether they are using outside of work hours when no one else is affected. Drug testing excludes POC from employment more often than white people, and no one in the GOP had jack to say about that. Vaccine requirements affect lots and lots of white people, so now it’s an unfair burden. Yeah. Whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 0:30:59 GMT
You may agree with the Covid vaccine, but one day soon, there will be something the government will try to force you to do, that you will NOT agree with. If we all cave to these mandates now, it will be too late then to make a choice. This is the biggest load of bullshit I've seen in a long time. How about we wait until the government tries to "FORCE" something that's not beneficial to society and then get all riled up about THAT instead of all this pre-emptive FREEDUMBING about mandates, like vaccines, that we've had for decades and that are trying to spare people's lives and health? |
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Post by CardBoxer on Nov 9, 2021 1:12:16 GMT
[snip] You may agree with the Covid vaccine, but one day soon, there will be something the government will try to force you to do, that you will NOT agree with. If we all cave to these mandates now, it will be too late then to make a choice. Whether you believe in taking the vaccine or not, everyone should be concerned about this. Also, I did NOT vote for Trump. Please stop insinuating that anyone who doesn’t want to take an experimental drug without their consent is either a Trump fanatic or a hippie. 🙄 I’m a hippie. Well, I was in the early 70s. What’s that got to do with anything? Being part of a society run by a government we’re forced to do all kinds of things. Kids can’t go to school without being “forced” to get vaccinated. I’m “forced” by the government to stop at red lights even if no one is around. I’m “forced” to pay taxes for things that don’t interest me. I’m “forced” to appear for jury duty and “forced” to do or not do hundreds of things. So it goes (with a nod to Kurt Vonnegut). And I don’t call people who refuse to get vaccinated trump fanatics, and certainly not hippies. I call them ignorant about the science of these vaccines, and extremely, cruelly selfish. |
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Post by CardBoxer on Nov 9, 2021 1:12:43 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 9, 2021 1:21:55 GMT
Also, children have a 99.998% survival rate against COVID. That, or an experimental vaccine? Come on people. My son has had a seizure the last two times he had an ear infection. Severe lack of sleep; seizure. He's been vaccinated and he'll likely recover from Covid but fuck those special needs children. The same people that are pro-life are the same people that don't give a shit once these kids are born. Die from Covid, God's will. Have side effects, God's will. No expanded Medicaid, no funding waivers in my state for over two years, but yes save those babies to have a shitty quality of life. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 9, 2021 1:26:16 GMT
You do know right, that the vaccine does NOT prevent spread. You, being vaccinated, can give COVID to the other employees, at the exact same rate that they can give it to you. Check it out on the CDC website. It only helps YOU, and your symptoms. So why do you care what they’re doing? My kids are all vaccinated with their needed vacs. I just took my college freshman son for his meningitis vaccine. I am not opposed to anyone who wants to get the vax, but I strongly believe we should all get to choose whether or not to have an experimental drug inserted into our body. You may agree with the Covid vaccine, but one day soon, there will be something the government will try to force you to do, that you will NOT agree with. If we all cave to these mandates now, it will be too late then to make a choice. Whether you believe in taking the vaccine or not, everyone should be concerned about this. Also, I did NOT vote for Trump. Please stop insinuating that anyone who doesn’t want to take an experimental drug without their consent is either a Trump fanatic or a hippie. 🙄 People DO get to choose. No one is forced to get vaccinated. However, that does not mean that your choice is free from consequences, including the possible loss of a job. During a public health emergency, this seems reasonable to me; obviously not so to you. But cheer up. The new pills from Pfizer and Merck look to be highly effective at preventing severe illness. Hopefully Covid will eventually turn into a much less severe illness. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 9, 2021 1:39:54 GMT
You do know right, that the vaccine does NOT prevent spread. You, being vaccinated, can give COVID to the other employees, at the exact same rate that they can give it to you. Check it out on the CDC website. It only helps YOU, and your symptoms. So why do you care what they’re doing? My kids are all vaccinated with their needed vacs. I just took my college freshman son for his meningitis vaccine. I am not opposed to anyone who wants to get the vax, but I strongly believe we should all get to choose whether or not to have an experimental drug inserted into our body. You may agree with the Covid vaccine, but one day soon, there will be something the government will try to force you to do, that you will NOT agree with. If we all cave to these mandates now, it will be too late then to make a choice. Whether you believe in taking the vaccine or not, everyone should be concerned about this. Also, I did NOT vote for Trump. Please stop insinuating that anyone who doesn’t want to take an experimental drug without their consent is either a Trump fanatic or a hippie. 🙄 People DO get to choose. No one is forced to get vaccinated. However, that does not mean that your choice is free from consequences, including the possible loss of a job. During a public health emergency, this seems reasonable to me; obviously not so to you. But cheer up. The new pills from Pfizer and Merck look to be highly effective at preventing severe illness. Hopefully Covid will eventually turn into a much less severe illness. Oh no no!! That pill is way too new and experimental! But they’ll take horse dewormer. Can someone explain that one to me???!! Blink blink |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 9, 2021 1:46:11 GMT
People DO get to choose. No one is forced to get vaccinated. However, that does not mean that your choice is free from consequences, including the possible loss of a job. During a public health emergency, this seems reasonable to me; obviously not so to you. But cheer up. The new pills from Pfizer and Merck look to be highly effective at preventing severe illness. Hopefully Covid will eventually turn into a much less severe illness. Oh no no!! That pill is way too new and experimental! But they’ll take horse dewormer. Can someone explain that one to me???!! Blink blink I can’t explain that one; no sane person can. |
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Post by prapea on Nov 9, 2021 2:56:39 GMT
You do know right, that the vaccine does NOT prevent spread. You, being vaccinated, can give COVID to the other employees, at the exact same rate that they can give it to you. Check it out on the CDC website. It only helps YOU, and your symptoms. So why do you care what they’re doing? My kids are all vaccinated with their needed vacs. I just took my college freshman son for his meningitis vaccine. I am not opposed to anyone who wants to get the vax, but I strongly believe we should all get to choose whether or not to have an experimental drug inserted into our body. You may agree with the Covid vaccine, but one day soon, there will be something the government will try to force you to do, that you will NOT agree with. If we all cave to these mandates now, it will be too late then to make a choice. Whether you believe in taking the vaccine or not, everyone should be concerned about this. Also, I did NOT vote for Trump. Please stop insinuating that anyone who doesn’t want to take an experimental drug without their consent is either a Trump fanatic or a hippie. 🙄 Here is to hoping you don’t end up on Redditt’s r/Hermancainaward sub. I wish this much ignorance and arrogance hurt you. |
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Post by laurasw on Nov 9, 2021 3:34:30 GMT
My good friend's daughter-in-law works as a county grief counselor for families that lose loved ones in the Houston area due to car wrecks, fires, accidents, disease, etc...
Here is part of what she wrote to an anti-vaxxer that said something about their freedom being taken away:
"I wish I understood why you're against the Covid vaccine. It's frustrating for me because I have spoken to so many grieving families in my work. Not getting vaccinated puts vulnerable people at risk and it's an insult to everyone who has lost someone during the pandemic. We make choices for public interest in order to live in a society. It doesn't mean you're less free. It's patriotic and respectful of those who have lost so much to Covid to do what we can to prevent more loss."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 4:14:34 GMT
No one can make a sound decision if they do not have the best possible data available to work with.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 9, 2021 9:45:44 GMT
Employees, even vaxxed ones should have the right to feel safe and protected at work from those who refused to be vaccinated —for whatever reason.
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Post by oliquig on Nov 9, 2021 10:58:32 GMT
No one can make a sound decision if they do not have the best possible data available to work with. The data is available at both a local health and state health level. The CDC isn’t the only health entity out there. There is a lot of data to handle and not all is handled on a federal level. Higher vaccinated states and counties have a far different level off what needs to be handled than those with lower vaccination levels. It doesn’t always make sense to have federal health tracked when there is a great disparity depending on where you live, so it is handled locally. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 11:16:44 GMT
No one can make a sound decision if they do not have the best possible data available to work with. You do understand that all medical research is done with small groups and not the entirety of the population, right? |
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Post by paulao on Nov 9, 2021 13:46:00 GMT
I find it interesting that those who do not want the government interfering with what they put in their body are the same folks (general folks) who want to prevent a woman from having dominion over her own body by preventing a woman's choice to have an abortion. Preach it, sister! |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 9, 2021 14:20:26 GMT
also, for those who do believe in the vaccine, yet believe everyone has a right on what is injected into their body, i wonder what is next. what freedom of yours will be removed if you do not get the boosters every 6 months? do you know the ingredients in each of those? Has anyone had blood work done after vaccines? I would love to see the blood work. no one I talk to has presented me their blood work after the vaccines. I would love to have an open honest conversation without attacking but I find most cannot do this who are against those who choose to not get vaccinated for their own decision/health. For brevity, let’s accept as reasonable your concern that blood tests have not been personally presented to you by any vaccinated people you have talked to. Were they presented, would you have prepared baseline data for each person, including pre-vaccine blood tests and medical/family history? Are you able to evaluate all bloodwork? Would you assume that any concerning result (cholesterol, diabetes, thyroid, whatever) is the result of a Covid vaccination? That would be akin to all these people who are attributing all post-vaccine deaths and illness to the vaccine, as if the very existence of the vaccine in the world has halted the normal incidence of heart attacks, cancer, fertility problems and falling off ladders. |
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Post by blue tulip on Nov 9, 2021 14:24:28 GMT
also, for those who do believe in the vaccine, yet believe everyone has a right on what is injected into their body, i wonder what is next. what freedom of yours will be removed if you do not get the boosters every 6 months? do you know the ingredients in each of those? Has anyone had blood work done after vaccines? I would love to see the blood work. no one I talk to has presented me their blood work after the vaccines. I would love to have an open honest conversation without attacking but I find most cannot do this who are against those who choose to not get vaccinated for their own decision/health. what bloodwork results are you specifically looking for? i have had bloodwork done for my physical after being vaccinated. there were no changes for the worse. or are you specifically looking for viral content or something? |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 9, 2021 14:28:19 GMT
also, for those who do believe in the vaccine, yet believe everyone has a right on what is injected into their body, i wonder what is next. what freedom of yours will be removed if you do not get the boosters every 6 months? do you know the ingredients in each of those? Has anyone had blood work done after vaccines? I would love to see the blood work. no one I talk to has presented me their blood work after the vaccines. I would love to have an open honest conversation without attacking but I find most cannot do this who are against those who choose to not get vaccinated for their own decision/health. From what I understand the ingredients in the Pfizer three shots don’t change and the Moderna booster is a half dose. No, I don’t know the specific ingredients of the vaccine I got, but I’m fairly sure I could access that info from the manufacturer. I don’t know the ingredients of any vaccines or treatments I’ve gotten and have no way to evaluate them. I rely on virologists, immunologists, public health agencies and physicians for that evaluation. Maybe instead of asking us these questions, you should share your own experience and expertise in the areas of vaccine ingredients and side effects as measured by bloodwork. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 9, 2021 14:46:04 GMT
It’s the people like my DH’s friend’s adult DD who have me scratching my head. She is someone who refuses to get the vaccine. Her workplace implemented a vaccine mandate that all employees needed to show proof of vaccination by Nov. 1st or they would lose their job. She works in a hospital, not sure what she does exactly, but still. DH was curious how that played out so he asked his friend if his kid got the axe. Nope, she didn’t. She is getting around it by taking a religious exemption.   Yeah. She’s Catholic like the rest of her family, and the last thing I heard was that the Pope himself was urging all Catholics to get vaccinated back in August! So just how the heck does that exemption work? What really doesn’t compute for me is that this person in particular is morbidly obese (as in, probably 200 lbs overweight) and has other related health issues. As a result, if she caught Covid statistically she wouldn’t fare well and would likely die from it. Seriously, I just can’t with these people anymore. |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 9, 2021 15:04:12 GMT
The the CDC is not the only source of info or data. I’ve found my own state health departments figures to be quite helpful and informative. Each week they produce these. I check it on. Friday just to keep up to date with what’s happening in my state/county. So I can make informed decisions on risk. Because I live in a state with a vaxx rate under 60%, where most people are acting like it’s all over, and have been for months. 🤷🏼♀️   Most of us understand that vaccination does not give us sterilizing immunity. We were never actually promised that either, but I digress. It does however, substantially reduce our risk in getting it, spreading it, getting sick enough to be hospitalized, or very sick and needing ICU care and/or dying from it. And the stats bear that out week after week after week. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 9, 2021 15:15:58 GMT
But the fact is this has torn apart our nation and that infuriates me. We can agree on that. It infuriates me too, that this pandemic was made a political issue from Day 1. It never should have been, and I believe we would be much better off right now if it hadn't been. If I have done my research and made an informed decision for my body why would someone deny me the right to live my life and if I die because i didn't get the vaccine, i accept that decision. I wonder if my brother in laws family still feels that way after they watched their sweet, sweet 69 year old dad/husband/grandfather spend 3 weeks in ICU gasping for breath, the last week of that on a ventilator before he died. I guess if you are okay with the possibility of spending weeks drowning in your own fluids, go for it. Or did your research not tell you that is often how people die from Covid?? Me, I am willing to take a chance on a vaccine that might shorten the illness, make it milder, or by chance prevent it all together. |
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Yeah. She’s Catholic like the rest of her family, and the last thing I heard was that the Pope himself was urging all Catholics to get vaccinated back in August! So just how the heck does that exemption work?
