Is it too soon to congratulate Virginia??

pixiechick...have you ever looked at it this way:  YOU may not personally believe that he is racist and speaking to the white nationalists, but THEY DO BELIEVE THAT.  Many have said it numerous times.  They hear and believe the dog whistles.

And there are hundreds more times where he’s elevated them, supported them, gave them a voice.

No one is twisting former’s words. Yes, according to Fox he denounced white supremacy 38 times. I have not verified that, but we’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. All of those statements, clearly written by someone else, didn’t even sound like him. His supporters are perfectly capable of differentiating prepared statements vs his own. On a national stage, in front of millions of Americans on live TV, during the debate, he refused to denounce the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers. He told them to stand back and stand by. He was very deliberate with his choice of words. White supremecists certainly interpreted that statement as support and a rallying cry. They printed merchandise with that phrase. His presidency ended when he encouraged and incited his supporters including both organizations to storm the Capitol. His actions during his presidency speak louder than 38 statements written by someone else.

They know just how unintelligent 35-40% of Americans are and just how easily led they are. They've got the propaganda machine down to a science now.

Conservatives win election by using critical race theory propaganda…


www.insider.com/conservatives-won-elections-with-critical-race-theory-propaganda-2021-11?amp


conservatives—fear mongering, weaponizing racism because of their resentment and fears over race vs what is actually taught in schools.

For all those religious conservatives with their panties in a bunch…you subjecting your children/any children to religion is indoctrination—more so than any imagined CRT propaganda you’re supporting.

I did not want this comment to get missed. Because I am too, good with it.

There are issues where one side is right and one side is wrong. Critical thinking should lead you to this conclusion. I don't think it's indoctrination to present these ideas to kids. And the critical thinking piece is that these kids, after being presented with these theories make up their mind that the theories actually do hold water. You only need to look at the numbers of black people shot by the police vs. white people shot by the police, or sentencing for crimes white vs. black to see that structural racism does, in fact, exist. The fact that organizations like the Proud Boys still exist show that we are not living in a post racist society and there are a lot of people who still believe that whites are superior and should be in power over people of color. Our last president tweeted xenophobic things directed at Congresswomen of color about going back to their own country, which according to the Equal Employment Commission are racist words for the workplace. If anyone bothered to read the comments under these tweets, you can see a whole lot of people not only agreeing with these ideas but putting their own racist and xenophobic spins on the presidents words.

I recently attempted to read the book Caste. I was so horrified that I had to put the book down. My heart is simply too delicate to read over and over again the atrocities perpetuated against black people in our history. Is that what we are worried about teaching children? Empathy? We don't want to tell them about these things because we are afraid they will be as sickened as I was reading about it?

So nope, I think exposing kids to this kind of information does nothing but foster the common good. There just simply isn't a side that is worthy of discussion that allows for this kind of treatment of people of color to be OK. Critical thinking does sometimes lead to one conclusion. Inclusion and empathy are things we should be fostering in kids.

Honestly, after reading that book, I can't believe black people aren't taking to the streets to shout down racism every single day. It's disgusting. And if having your white children be disgusted by these actions is upsetting to you, maybe you ought to think harder about how black kids deal with these things every single day of their lives and how your white children need to be fighting against it.

What is going on is not OK. And I don't care if my children are presented with theories which lead them straight to the idea that it's not OK. Because by holding back facts about our history, current statistics on racial disparities related to justice and law enforcement, current statistics on hiring practices (we've all seen that there is discrimination just based on the name on your resume), pay inequities, we are saying that these things are OK. And they are just not.

I can't read your article without paying for it, but when I linked that there was an article from "5 hours ago", one from "8 hours ago", one from "1 day ago", "4 days ago", "6 days ago", "a week ago" and so on. They are still covering CRT on Fox.

Maybe before responding, you should ask for the article or clarification. The article and the data measure the number of times Fox mentions CRT on TV.  The google search is irrelevant and proves nothing.  The number of mentions didn't drop to zero, but there's a significant drop, compared to just before the election.  The graph won't copy, but the number of times Fox mentions critical race theory peaks in early summer, drops off, then in early October starts climbing to it's highest point just before the Virginia election, then precipitously drops off. MSNBC and CNN follow a similar pattern but at a much lower rate. The graph measures percent of 15 second segments mentioning CRT in a week.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/15/most-republicans-oppose-teaching-kids-about-lingering-effects-racism/
By Philip Bump
November 15, 2021 at 12:58 p.m. EST

One of the less-remarked-upon details about the elections in Virginia and New Jersey earlier this month was that, for all of the focus on Virginia in the weeks before Election Day, it was New Jersey that saw the bigger shift to the right since the 2020 presidential election (13 points vs. 12). In other words, for all of the emphasis on tumult in Virginia’s schools — and there was a lot — voters in New Jersey turned out and voted in much the same way.
In other words, it’s possible that the focus on how critical race theory, in particular, was allegedly integrated into Virginia schools’ curriculums was not the decisive factor in the outcome of the election, something that The Washington Post’s Scott Clement suggested was possible shortly afterward.
New polling from The Post and ABC News offers some additional insight into partisan views of education. For example, one of the factors that was identified as being a source of frustration for those evaluating how schools are run in each state was the response to the coronavirus pandemic. It’s certainly the case that there was a lot of expressed frustration about mask rules. But The Post-ABC poll finds that half of Republicans think the rules governing the pandemic in their local schools were either about right or not strict enough. There is, however, a 41-point gap between the parties when considering just those who think the policies were “too strict.”

The Virginia race also focused heavily on the question of how much say parents should have in educational curriculums, thanks in part to the Democratic nominee, Terry McAuliffe, making a comment that parents shouldn’t dictate what children are taught. Most Americans think that parents should have some say in what children are learning, with nearly half saying that parents should have a lot of say. On that question, there was again a wide partisan divide, with three-quarters of Republicans saying parents should have “a lot” of say, 48 percentage points more than among Democrats.

That question heavily centered on how issues of race are taught in schools. Thanks largely to right-wing activism and the focus of conservative media, the idea that schools are teaching critical race theory — an intellectual movement that examines the way policies and laws perpetuate systemic racism — gained traction in the months leading up to the election. Schools almost universally aren’t teaching critical race theory but, instead, have often (though, again, not universally) increased the attention paid to how historic racism still has effects in American society.
The Post-ABC poll asked specifically about that: How much should those lingering effects be taught? More than two-thirds of adults said they should be taught a “great deal” or a “good amount” — but most Republicans thought it should be taught “not so much” or “not at all.”

This is a more nuanced question than one posed by Monmouth University in a recent poll (though, of course, I’m a bit biased). Monmouth asked if schools should teach the history of racism, finding that 4-in-10 Republicans said they shouldn’t. The question in our poll focused specifically on the effects of racism, with a greater percentage of Republicans expressing disapproval.

There have been some efforts to suggest that the attention being paid to this issue is primarily a function of parental discontent, that the conservative media’s emphasis on critical race theory was the hatched chicken, not the egg. This argument is hard to adjudicate since the lines can get blurry, but it is clearly the case that one conservative activist, Chris Rufo, is heavily and proudly responsible for both elevating critical race theory and repurposing the term to refer to a wide array of race-related concepts. It is also worth noting that Fox News’s focus on the issue, frequent during the spring and summer, reemerged in October — and faded quickly after the elections in Virginia and New Jersey.

Perhaps this is because the network was mostly discussing it in the context of schools because it had become a salient issue for the election (again to some significant extent because Fox had helped elevate it and Rufo). Perhaps it was because those on the right who hoped to see Republican gains in the Virginia and New Jersey elections believed that the mission had largely been accomplished.
The targeting of critical race theory and the skepticism of teaching about race broadly overlap, obviously. In North Dakota last week, the governor signed a law banning any teaching of the subject — specifically redefining the range of blocked subject matter to include arguments that “racism is systemically embedded in American society and the American legal system to facilitate racial inequality.” In other words, they answered “not at all” to the question posed in our poll. Republican lawmakers in other states have passed similar laws.
Whether you expect this change to negatively affect students in those places probably depends on your politics. Whether we might expect this to be a centerpiece of future elections probably depends on Fox News.

That question heavily centered on how issues of race are taught in schools. Thanks largely to right-wing activism and the focus of conservative media, the idea that schools are teaching critical race theory — an intellectual movement that examines the way policies and laws perpetuate systemic racism — gained traction in the months leading up to the election. Schools almost universally aren’t teaching critical race theory but, instead, have often (though, again, not universally) increased the attention paid to how historic racism still has effects in American society.
The Post-ABC poll asked specifically about that: How much should those lingering effects be taught? More than two-thirds of adults said they should be taught a “great deal” or a “good amount” — but most Republicans thought it should be taught “not so much” or “not at all.”

Thanks for the bolded comment.  It gave me a good laugh. 😀

You are deaf to what is actually being said.  Over in the GOP violence thread I posted a speech by Senator Josh Hawley from MO.  In that speech he talks about the left’s attack on manhood.  He makes reference to the attack on their culture.  What exactly do you think “their culture” is?  Put on your critical thinking cap and maybe just maybe if you think hard enough you will see and understand what the right is pushing.  

And if you do become enlighten then you will understand why I laughed at your bolded comment.

pixiechick I shared *my* thoughts. How about you state what *your* objections specifically are? What exact parts are you having trouble with? What parts of my post do you take issue with children learning? At what point do you feel that educators cross the line?

How about we just have a conversation? Because really the facts are humbling for me as a white person. And critical thinking is always in play. It just naturally leads to one conclusion, IMO. So why don't you tell me from that statement full of quotes which you stand behind and why?

Quit trying to argue for the anti-CRT movement. Why don't we simply have a conversation and see if we can have a meeting of the minds?

And the 17 points have absolutely no thought process attached to them. They are just meaningless words floating in the stratosphere.

I know I'm not the link queen, but when I share it is with my own thoughts, ideas, and experience. Just once I would like to see someone on that team put forth their own ideas, experience, and thoughts. What is the specific problem? What is troubling you so badly about this you have to come to a message board and argue about it? What is it?

Because I can honestly say I have no problem with kids being taught these concepts appropriate to grade level. I say that as a parent. And I would stand in front of my school board and say the same. Luckily I live in a very diverse community that embraces these things so I don't have to.

So what is exactly the problem? What points of CRT do you specifically object to? What don't you want taught?

Not any of this was aimed at you specifically. But I just don't get the opposition. I don't get what they are objecting to.

I take great joy in teaching Native American music this week instead of the old tired whitewashed stuff about pilgrims. Subversive teaching is the best kind.

I did share my thoughts. I also backed them up with why I feel that way.

I'll try again.



I think the hostile culture of "this is the only conclusion you can reach" is dangerous.

Why do I think that? Because the people that are pushing that idea are basing "this is the only conclusion you can reach" on a twisted version of what the opposing side ACTUALLY said/think. They state what the opposing side said in such a twisted from all reality way, that no one on the planet would think is anything but evil or at least wrong. And yet, the way they state what was said, in NO WAY conveys what the opposing side has actually SAID in reality.
It's dishonest, because it's a way to insist that you are right when you may not actually be. But by doing so, the type of person that would do that, thinks it's a way to push their opinion and thinks they're coming from a from the moral high ground, because they start to believe their own "propaganda". How to recognize it? It's backed up by, some form of "if you disagree, it's only because you're a racist."

All of that teaches silence. It teaches not to think, just conform.


I think it's wrong to tell the teachers "you'd fire all the white ones if you could".
Why do I think that? Because that actually IS racist. We're supposed to hire based on ability, not skin color. 

I think teaching children that white people are all racist even if they don't mean to be is wrong. Teaching them that you're a victim or a privileged oppressor depending on your skin color, is wrong.

Why do I think that? Because if you're not teaching children (and adults at this point in time) that "The individual that can do something that the world wants done, will, in the end, make his way.", then you're doing it wrong. And yes that's true no matter the color of your skin, gender, or what neighborhood you live in. It's a universal truth.
Is it easy? No, but we all have some sort of advantages and we all have some sort of disadvantages compared to others. All of us. 




You might not realize this, because it isn't your experience, but this board has become a culture where conservatives "have to prove" everything they think and say. If we don't, our opinions and/or facts are dismissed. It's absolutely idiotic though, because even those times when we do back it up with indisputable facts, it's all dismissed anyway, and almost always, for some moronic reason.

This pull yourself up by the bootstraps theory does not hold true for everyone.  It is not a universal truth.  Not everyone has the same advantages.  Having disadvantages because of the color of your skin is simply wrong.  Economic inequality and health disparities for people of color are well documented and genuinely indisputable.  As a result of systematic racism, people of color face disadvantages their entire life from birth to death because of the color of their skin.

www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2019/02/15/how-racial-and-regional-inequality-affect-economic-opportunity/

graphics.reuters.com/GLOBAL-RACE/USA/nmopajawjva/

ihpi.umich.edu/news/why-its-hard-blacks-pull-themselves-bootstraps-when-it-comes-health

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/health-equity/race-ethnicity.html

www.brookings.edu/blog/usc-brookings-schaeffer-on-health-policy/2020/02/19/there-are-clear-race-based-inequalities-in-health-insurance-and-health-outcomes/

www.axios.com/hard-truths-deep-dive-health-care-race-0f9a1f9e-f280-45dd-84e3-1c6cc04dc4f8.html

news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2021/06/racial-wealth-gap-may-be-a-key-to-other-inequities/