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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2021 20:01:59 GMT
For those of you worrying about him overturning abortion rights, he won't do that. VA is still mostly a blue state. So is MD and we also have had a republican governor for the last 2 terms. In MD, when we have a dem governor, nothing gets done. No roads, nothing. Historically, we see more movement and positive change from republicans. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. It really irks me when someone says that we are doomed simply because a republican is in office. T was a whole different issue. I am a democrat and am interested to see how he governs. NH is a swing state, we voted for Hillary and President Biden. Our Republican governor who claims to be pro choice signed a bill restricting abortions and dictating to teachers what can be taught in classrooms. The abortion bill requires all women considering an abortion to have a medically unnecessary ultrasound. In addition, late term abortions were banned without exceptions. Just because Virginia is a blue state doesn't mean that a Republican governor won't pass a law restricting abortions. He's already promised on his first day to sign an executive order regarding what can be taught in classrooms. Former was bad, but there are politicians who are equally as terrible, if not worse. DeSantis and Abbott are trying to be trump 2.0 but more polished. I also disagree with your statement that Republicans do more in office. Republicans pass income tax cuts for the wealthy, look out for corporate interests and cut social programs. Recently, at every opportunity, Republicans have passed voter suppression bills. I don't see anything positive in that.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2021 20:11:21 GMT
Maybe you can take a break from calling everyone and everything you don't agree with racism to congratulate the first female, woman of color, Lt. Governor for Virginia Winsome Sears?!?
Next up looks like the first Latino Attorney General in Virginia, Jason Miyares.
Just because the Lieutenant governor is a woman of color, that does not exclude the reality that the governor's race was partly about fear, hate and racism. Youngkin stirred up parents with his false narrative about critical race theory. Separate races, both can be true at the same time. As someone else said, there are even Republicans of color who tow the party line and tell lies. The Republicans just like to point to them and say, see we're not racist. Just listen to Tim Scott's response to President Biden's state of the union address. www.c-span.org/video/?511326-1/senator-tim-scott-delivers-republican-response
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 20:12:40 GMT
I mean for real, it’s like when Candace Owens co signs something racist or bigoted or ignorant and these people say “See? She agrees, and she’s black - so it can’t be racist! 😵💫
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2021 20:21:27 GMT
www.npr.org/2021/11/03/1051974843/why-republicans-did-well-in-the-virginia-and-new-jersey-electionsThe result in the Virginia governor's race Tuesday night highlighted some major shifts in the electorate, according to exit polls. (There were no exit polls in New Jersey.) The shifts were notable, especially considering that education and how children are taught in schools about racism dominated as a campaign issue.Overall, the electorate in Virginia was older and whiter than in the 2020 presidential election — both were advantages for Republican Glenn Youngkin.
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Post by lbp on Nov 3, 2021 20:21:47 GMT
I believe this was less about racism and more about the nail Mcauliff drove into his own coffin by saying parents should not have any control over what is taught in schools.
Chris Hurst lost his race by being incredibly stupid the night before the election by driving around and taking his opponents signs out of the yards and was stopped by the police for it.
Like it or not, Virginia voted RED.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2021 20:37:13 GMT
I believe this was less about racism and more about the nail Mcauliff drove into his own coffin by saying parents should not have any control over what is taught in schools. Chris Hurst lost his race by being incredibly stupid the night before the election by driving around and taking his opponents signs out of the yards and was stopped by the police for it. Like it or not, Virginia voted RED. The issue about education is all about racism. Parents were concerned about how racism is taught in schools. Parents don't want their white children to feel guilty about slavery. McAuliffe vetoed a bill that would allow parents to remove books they found objectionable from libraries. McAuliffe's words were twisted and amplified by right wing media and Republicans in videos, ads and Parents Matter rallies. www.c-span.org/video/?c4979586/user-clip-terry-mcauliffe-i-parents-telling-schools-teachwww.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/27/viral-image/no-isnt-real-mcauliffe-campaign-sign/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/us/politics/virginia-governor-republicans-schools.htmlMr. McAuliffe shot back that he did not believe “parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” In the weeks since, he’s stood by those remarks, saying that the state Board of Education and local school boards should determine what is taught in the classroom. But Mr. Youngkin and Republicans, stripping the quotation from its context, have turned the footage into the core of their argument that Mr. McAuliffe would side with government over parents.
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Post by PLurker on Nov 3, 2021 20:43:50 GMT
I'm neither condemning or condoning the use of the middle finger on this thread. I do find it amusing though that the use of specific "ugly" words throw some into a tizzy, wanting to condemn and dismiss the whole thought because if choice of word(s) when you (general) can be just as foul, cruel or hateful using all the "pretty" words.
"Pretty" words with often get overlooked and an automatic pass? Fuq that.
Well bless your heart, it's what's in the package that counts, not always the way it's presented/wrapped.
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Post by circusjohnson on Nov 3, 2021 21:05:15 GMT
I also want to say that many people don't fully understand what "banning CRT" actually means. It sounds simple, and even this week I have heard many on CNN say, "Younkin says he will ban CRT, which isn't even taught in Virginia schools" but they and others are really missing the point here. When people started talking about CRT in the spring/early summer, we said that very thing. Why are they making such a big deal out of something that is taught in college law classes? And many left it at that. But they have now EXPANDED their definition of CRT to include many topics that are much different than CRT the law school theory. It has been so twisted and if people don't learn more about what their objectives are, things are not going to end well for the country. There are groups that are giving presentations around the country, and there is a toolkit that groups can use to attack their school boards and take over with their agenda. citizensrenewingamerica.com/issues/combatting-critical-race-theory-in-your-community/At one time I had a link to the list of words that they deem to be inappropriate, but I can't find it now. I think it might be somewhere in that kit that I posted above. But there was a very long list, including various forms of social emotional learning, equity, etc that they deem to be taboo topics that teachers shouldn't talk about. This and they are coming after library books. We all should be worried about this. They have lists of books they want gone and you can guess that they are about Ethnic diversity and LGBTQ+ people. I am sad and furious that republicans are ok with that.
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Post by ellen on Nov 3, 2021 21:05:51 GMT
I have a bad feeling that we're going to hear a lot about book banning and critical race theory for the next year in Minnesota. It will be very easy for the Virginia governor to ban the teaching of critical race theory on his first day in office because they don't teach it now.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 3, 2021 21:34:15 GMT
I'm neither condemning or condoning the use of the middle finger on this thread. I do find it amusing though that the use of specific "ugly" words throw some into a tizzy, wanting to condemn and dismiss the whole thought because if choice of word(s) when you (general) can be just as foul, cruel or hateful using all the "pretty" words. "Pretty" words with often get overlooked and an automatic pass? Fuq that. Well bless your heart, it's what's in the package that counts, not always the way it's presented/wrapped. I’m actually feeling more and more irked with this thread, and am feeling like now it was started with the intent to provoke exactly that response. Plenty of people asked thoughtful, valid questions of the OP trying to understand, and the only person that was acknowledged was the one that she felt warranted hand slapping. 🥴
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 3, 2021 22:14:22 GMT
Interesting video on Republicans in the Reagan area vs now and how far right they've moved. What makes America great is that we are a country of immigrants. As soon as you close the borders, we lose our standing in the world. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymqWuIMcilMAnd the quote from Ronald Reagan www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/syndicated-columnists/article232864812.htmlIt was stated best in a letter I received not long ago. A man wrote me and said: “You can go to live in France, but you cannot become a Frenchman. You can go to live in Germany or Turkey or Japan, but you cannot become a German, a Turk, or a Japanese. But anyone, from any corner of the Earth, can come to live in America and become an American.” Yes, the torch of Lady Liberty symbolizes our freedom and represents our heritage, the compact with our parents, our grandparents, and our ancestors. It is that lady who gives us our great and special place in the world. For it’s the great life force of each generation of new Americans that guarantees that America’s triumph shall continue unsurpassed into the next century and beyond. Other countries may seek to compete with us. But in one vital area, as a beacon of freedom and opportunity that draws the people of the world, no country on Earth comes close. This, I believe, is one of the most important sources of America’s greatness. We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people — our strength — from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation. While other countries cling to the stale past, here in America we breathe life into dreams. We create the future, and the world follows us into tomorrow. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost. This, I believe, is one of the most important sources of America’s greatness. We lead the world because, unique among nations, we draw our people — our strength — from every country and every corner of the world. And by doing so we continuously renew and enrich our nation. While other countries cling to the stale past, here in America we breathe life into dreams. We create the future, and the world follows us into tomorrow. Thanks to each wave of new arrivals to this land of opportunity, we’re a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas, and always on the cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality is vital to our future as a nation. If we ever closed the door to new Americans, our leadership in the world would soon be lost. A number of years ago, an American student traveling in Europe took an East German ship across the Baltic Sea. One of the ship’s crew members from East Germany, a man in his 60s, struck up a conversation with the American student. After a while the student asked the man how he had learned such good English. And the man explained that he had once lived in America.
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Post by pierogi on Nov 3, 2021 22:22:52 GMT
I also want to say that many people don't fully understand what "banning CRT" actually means. It sounds simple, and even this week I have heard many on CNN say, "Younkin says he will ban CRT, which isn't even taught in Virginia schools" but they and others are really missing the point here. When people started talking about CRT in the spring/early summer, we said that very thing. Why are they making such a big deal out of something that is taught in college law classes? And many left it at that. But they have now EXPANDED their definition of CRT to include many topics that are much different than CRT the law school theory. It has been so twisted and if people don't learn more about what their objectives are, things are not going to end well for the country. There are groups that are giving presentations around the country, and there is a toolkit that groups can use to attack their school boards and take over with their agenda. citizensrenewingamerica.com/issues/combatting-critical-race-theory-in-your-community/At one time I had a link to the list of words that they deem to be inappropriate, but I can't find it now. I think it might be somewhere in that kit that I posted above. But there was a very long list, including various forms of social emotional learning, equity, etc that they deem to be taboo topics that teachers shouldn't talk about. This and they are coming after library books. We all should be worried about this. They have lists of books they want gone and you can guess that they are about Ethnic diversity and LGBTQ+ people. I am sad and furious that republicans are ok with that. I was astounded when I heard about them wanting to ban Toni Morrison's "Beloved." Just unthinkable. But those are Republicans for you. Woot! Woot!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 3, 2021 22:47:09 GMT
I have a bad feeling that we're going to hear a lot about book banning and critical race theory for the next year in Minnesota. It will be very easy for the Virginia governor to ban the teaching of critical race theory on his first day in office because they don't teach it now. Yes, it is maddening. There is a group in our district who keep posting small parts of what they say are the curriculum from English and social studies classes. They provide no context, just things that look inflammatory to anyone who has fallen for the anti-CRT agenda. They are all about race. There have been numerous threats towards teachers and staff after a parent went on Fox this summer. Last week a parent, who is also a police officer in a neighboring town, went to school to "talk" with teachers about the 9th grade English curriculum. He refused to wear a mask (our school has a mandate) and was escorted out of the building. All the while, he was yelling and swearing at the teachers and staff--in front of kids. AND his wife is a HS English teacher who apparently has similar views as he does and is making things difficult for the other teachers. This group also wants any posters taken down that support embracing LGBTQ or equity. I have seen posts from other districts in the state where they were petitioning to have posters taken down that simply showed several hands of different colors. It is really ridiculous.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 3, 2021 23:01:18 GMT
What term should be used then? How can one vote for racist policies and not be one? I mean, if you (speaking generally) think you’re not one, but you’re ok with voting FOR people who are clearly racist or for policies that are racist, then while you yourself may not feel you’re racist, you’re perfectly fine with enabling it or turning a blind eye to it. So I’m really not sure how to nuance any difference there.
She does seem like she was a decent candidate, in my observation. Her stated goals on a couple of things seem a little at odds with the governor in some respects though, so that should be interesting.
I'm curious if you knew anything about her before reading this thread (and maybe looking her up after reading here?). If not, do you still feel like she's automatically a racist because she has a R after her name?
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Post by ellen on Nov 3, 2021 23:14:10 GMT
I have a bad feeling that we're going to hear a lot about book banning and critical race theory for the next year in Minnesota. It will be very easy for the Virginia governor to ban the teaching of critical race theory on his first day in office because they don't teach it now. Yes, it is maddening. There is a group in our district who keep posting small parts of what they say are the curriculum from English and social studies classes. They provide no context, just things that look inflammatory to anyone who has fallen for the anti-CRT agenda. They are all about race. There have been numerous threats towards teachers and staff after a parent went on Fox this summer. Last week a parent, who is also a police officer in a neighboring town, went to school to "talk" with teachers about the 9th grade English curriculum. He refused to wear a mask (our school has a mandate) and was escorted out of the building. All the while, he was yelling and swearing at the teachers and staff--in front of kids. AND his wife is a HS English teacher who apparently has similar views as he does and is making things difficult for the other teachers. This group also wants any posters taken down that support embracing LGBTQ or equity. I have seen posts from other districts in the state where they were petitioning to have posters taken down that simply showed several hands of different colors. It is really ridiculous. Those of us who aren't assholes need to be vocal. I was reading about a group of moms who are upset that books about Ruby Bridges are being read to students. They don't want white kids to feel bad about what happened. I read books and we watch a movie about Ruby Bridges. Kids are appalled by how she was treated. They know they aren't responsible for it. I don't think many parents in my district are going to be difficult, but we'll see.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 3, 2021 23:38:18 GMT
Yes, it is maddening. There is a group in our district who keep posting small parts of what they say are the curriculum from English and social studies classes. They provide no context, just things that look inflammatory to anyone who has fallen for the anti-CRT agenda. They are all about race. There have been numerous threats towards teachers and staff after a parent went on Fox this summer. Last week a parent, who is also a police officer in a neighboring town, went to school to "talk" with teachers about the 9th grade English curriculum. He refused to wear a mask (our school has a mandate) and was escorted out of the building. All the while, he was yelling and swearing at the teachers and staff--in front of kids. AND his wife is a HS English teacher who apparently has similar views as he does and is making things difficult for the other teachers. This group also wants any posters taken down that support embracing LGBTQ or equity. I have seen posts from other districts in the state where they were petitioning to have posters taken down that simply showed several hands of different colors. It is really ridiculous. Those of us who aren't assholes need to be vocal. I was reading about a group of moms who are upset that books about Ruby Bridges are being read to students. They don't want white kids to feel bad about what happened. I read books and we watch a movie about Ruby Bridges. Kids are appalled by how she was treated. They know they aren't responsible for it. I don't think many parents in my district are going to difficult, but we'll see. I feel like this sums up the current motivating ‘rage’ behind CRT pretty well.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 3, 2021 23:50:19 GMT
What term should be used then? How can one vote for racist policies and not be one? I mean, if you (speaking generally) think you’re not one, but you’re ok with voting FOR people who are clearly racist or for policies that are racist, then while you yourself may not feel you’re racist, you’re perfectly fine with enabling it or turning a blind eye to it. So I’m really not sure how to nuance any difference there.
She does seem like she was a decent candidate, in my observation. Her stated goals on a couple of things seem a little at odds with the governor in some respects though, so that should be interesting.
I'm curious if you knew anything about her before reading this thread (and maybe looking her up after reading here?). If not, do you still feel like she's automatically a racist because she has a R after her name?
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. I also don’t believe I said anyone with an R behind their name was racist. I also assume I’m not going to get an answer to my how do I tell the difference question?
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 0:05:37 GMT
Heads up, we’re storming the Virginia state capitol tomorrow at noon, right after the Antifa meeting and the gay agenda brunch.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 0:06:38 GMT
I'm curious if you knew anything about her before reading this thread (and maybe looking her up after reading here?). If not, do you still feel like she's automatically a racist because she has a R after her name?
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. I also don’t believe I said anyone with an R behind their name was racist. I also assume I’m not going to get an answer to my how do I tell the difference question? Oh good lord.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 4, 2021 0:25:26 GMT
But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. FFS, she was a Marine.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 4, 2021 0:29:06 GMT
FFS, she was a Marine. There are a 1,000 different ways to show your military service that don’t involve holding an assault weapon.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 4, 2021 0:30:33 GMT
FFS, she was a Marine. There are a 1,000 different ways to show your military service that don’t involve holding an assault weapon. And? So what? This is who she is and it's how she choose to portray herself, she's not looking to please you.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 4, 2021 0:37:16 GMT
I'm curious if you knew anything about her before reading this thread (and maybe looking her up after reading here?). If not, do you still feel like she's automatically a racist because she has a R after her name?
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. I also don’t believe I said anyone with an R behind their name was racist. I also assume I’m not going to get an answer to my how do I tell the difference question? Haven’t we ALL left the house in a dress, jacket and (probably) heels, toting a large gun? To, you know, do a bit of light target practice? If only one could fit it into a purse! 👀 I mean, really, this is such obvious pandering to the second amendment crowd. I am not against guns-although personally I would not want to own one-but I think that changes need to be made.
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Post by Blind Squirrel on Nov 4, 2021 0:43:58 GMT
As my teacher friend said, "I can't wait for parents to tell me what to teach."
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 4, 2021 0:57:18 GMT
As my teacher friend said, "I can't wait for parents to tell me what to teach." Yeah, I was thinking about that. How on earth would you get a consensus? It’s an absurd idea.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 1:29:20 GMT
But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. FFS, she was a Marine. My husband was a Marine and would never use a weapon as a prop like that.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 1:30:44 GMT
There are a 1,000 different ways to show your military service that don’t involve holding an assault weapon. And? So what? This is who she is and it's how she choose to portray herself, she's not looking to please you. No, she’s clearly looking to please ammosexuals who think a gun like that is a toy or prop to make someone look cool. I’ll pass. No respect for that whatsoever.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2021 1:39:42 GMT
As my teacher friend said, "I can't wait for parents to tell me what to teach." Yeah, I was thinking about that. How on earth would you get a consensus? It’s an absurd idea. Whoever is the loudest and most obnoxious wins, it seems.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2021 1:43:22 GMT
There are a 1,000 different ways to show your military service that don’t involve holding an assault weapon. And? So what? This is who she is and it's how she choose to portray herself, she's not looking to please you. I don’t know if she was just trying to please certain voters or if this is truly who she is (or More likely both options). Either way I find it disturbing. I’m not her target audience, though.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 4, 2021 1:58:38 GMT
As my teacher friend said, "I can't wait for parents to tell me what to teach." This exactly. If parents are willing to entrust their children to teachers 7 hours a day, why are they not willing to trust those qualified professionals to determine what should be in the curriculum? School will turn into just a place to drop your kids off for the day if teachers have no control over what's taught in their classroom and uneducated parents decide. If parents want complete control over what their kids are taught, then they can homeschool them. I think one of the worst things about the internet is that Americans have decided they are experts on everything, after they do their own "research". My dh is a nurse practitioner and he gets really annoyed when he has discussions with patients about the Covid vaccine. They claim they did their own "research" but have no idea what's actually in the vaccine. Generally, their "research" is on social media reading Uncle Fred's anti-vax posts or Nicky Menage's tweet about her cousin's friend with the enlarged testicles. I'm all for parents being genuinely more knowledgeable about what's happening in their child's classroom or patients being more informed from reliable sources about the vaccine. However, parents deciding what should be in the curriculum for all kids and patients thinking their research makes them an expert is too much. People don't try to tell their mechanic, electrician, plumber, pilot etc how to do their job. They should let teachers and medical providers do theirs.
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