sassyangel
Drama Llama
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 4, 2021 2:11:45 GMT
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. I also don’t believe I said anyone with an R behind their name was racist. I also assume I’m not going to get an answer to my how do I tell the difference question? Haven’t we ALL left the house in a dress, jacket and (probably) heels, toting a large gun? To, you know, do a bit of light target practice? If only one could fit it into a purse! 👀 I mean, really, this is such obvious pandering to the second amendment crowd. I am not against guns-although personally I would not want to own one-but I think that changes need to be made. Right. I did read she was a marine which I guess makes it less ludicrous than when MTG and Lauren Boebert do it. But… my husband served too, and he’s never felt the need to carry a gun around like that. 🤷🏼♀️ I was thinking second amendment too. But lost interest reading more about her, and went out to photograph the northern lights instead. 💁🏼♀️😂
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ComplicatedLady
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Nov 4, 2021 3:18:34 GMT
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. I also don’t believe I said anyone with an R behind their name was racist. I also assume I’m not going to get an answer to my how do I tell the difference question? Haven’t we ALL left the house in a dress, jacket and (probably) heels, toting a large gun? To, you know, do a bit of light target practice? If only one could fit it into a purse! 👀 I mean, really, this is such obvious pandering to the second amendment crowd. I am not against guns-although personally I would not want to own one-but I think that changes need to be made. Left the house in the jacket we got when we won the Masters golf tournament?
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Nov 4, 2021 3:40:09 GMT
Congratulations Virginia! You only have chlamydia, not herpes; there is a cure!
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 4, 2021 5:57:25 GMT
For those of you worrying about him overturning abortion rights, he won't do that. VA is still mostly a blue state. So is MD and we also have had a republican governor for the last 2 terms. In MD, when we have a dem governor, nothing gets done. No roads, nothing. Historically, we see more movement and positive change from republicans. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. It really irks me when someone says that we are doomed simply because a republican is in office. T was a whole different issue. I am a democrat and am interested to see how he governs. Ten years ago, I would have agreed with you that a Republican in office wasn't necessarily a disaster. Texas fared pretty well under GWB and even Perry, even if I didn't agree with things they did. We didn't see, at the time, the path the GOP was going down. And now it seems that every Republican who runs for major office is operating on a Trumpist framework. Performative legislation to keep the far right happy is part and parcel of what they do. A I think taking a "wait and see" approach with any newly elected Republican is dangerous. People from other states love to hate on Texas. I'm telling you, Texas was not like this 20-25 years ago when we moved here. The Republicans who voted for GWB are not the same ones now cheering the repressive bills coming out of our lege. You're going to have to fight hard for your state. Don't be complacent. The GOP is playing a long game. By turning large, red-leaning states into hotbeds of anti-science, anti-choice, anti-immigrant, anti-lgbtq, anti-multicultural bigots through misinformation and stoking of white resentment, they've given a national platform to those leanings and allowed them to spread. Every single Republican now is well versed in using white grievance to get their voters fired up, and in order to keep them, they have to pass laws that reflect those leanings. And then they use extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression to solidify their hold on power. I mean seriously, I hope I'm wrong. But I've lived in Texas for almost 25 years now, long enough to see the shift from reasonable conservatives to rabid crazy people running our state. Be aware and be careful. I also live in a very red state and a legislature controlled by the dominant religion. Not so much anymore. Not after Trump. The prophet posts on social media to consult medical experts about a vaccine. He (a former heart surgeon) posts a photo of himself getting the vaccine. No, no towing the line in this one. No adhering to the Articles of Faith about sustaining leaders of our country. There's so much more to it than that. I cannot stress enough how much control the Mormon church has had in politics for it's entire history in the state of Utah and now the Trump cult is actually worse than them.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 4, 2021 7:23:16 GMT
I would be concerned with his rhetoric about CRT, if nothing else. That has caused more problems In our district than anything else. Racists showing their ugly heads. But I guess if everyone in Virginia agrees with his views maybe it won’t be as controversial. It’s a slippery slope. I’m glad that you aren’t stressed about his win, and I hope it turns out ok. But I think it is incredibly disturbing that people keep voting for republicans at this point. More People have some messed up values than I ever thought. It has little to do with how educated they are. Oh that’s one reason why he didn’t get my vote. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. But it’s a huge issue in pockets by a small minority. The media has ran with it and made ir seem like the state is going crazy. We think those people are crazy, so Fox News running with the story was perplexing. He’s also promised teachers a raise. Ha ha ha, I apologize for laughing but yeah, we’re not that dumb. He managed to appeal to moderates who did not vote for Trump. I’m willing to give him a chance, but I didn’t think Northam was that great either so my standards aren’t very high. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. What I'm seeing is people are objecting to this type of thing happening in schools and the workplace: Amazing parent testimony on Critical Race Theory in our schools. link A video tweet. And this letter from a teacher: Dear Joe (copies to Head of School, Board Trustees, & English Department Colleagues), I became a teacher at Dwight-Englewood because, as a parent, I loved how the school both nurtured and challenged my own children. Today, I am resigning from a job I love because D-E has changed in ways that undermine its mission and prevent me from holding true to my conscience as an educator. I believe that D-E is failing our students. Over the past few years, the school has embraced an ideology that is damaging to our students’ intellectual and emotional growth and destroying any chance at creating a true community among our diverse population. I reject the hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school. The school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood. They must locate themselves within the oppressor or oppressed group, or some intersectional middle where they must reckon with being part-oppressor and part-victim. This theory of power hierarchies is only one way of seeing the world, and yet it pervades D-E as the singular way of seeing the world. As a result, students arrive in my classroom accepting this theory as fact: People born with less melanin in their skin are oppressors, and people born with more melanin in their skin are oppressed. Men are oppressors, women are oppressed, and so on. This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students. In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think. I teach students who recoil from a poem because it was written by a man. I teach students who approach texts in search of the oppressor. I teach students who see inequities in texts that have nothing to do with power. Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In my professional opinion, the school is failing to encourage healthy habits of mind, essential for growth, such as intellectual curiosity, humility, honesty, reason, and the capacity to question ideas and consider multiple perspectives. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent. How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered? How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power? Sadly, the school is leading many to become true believers and outspoken purveyors of a regressive and illiberal orthodoxy. Understandably, these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives. These young students have no idea that the school has placed ideological blinders on them. Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform. I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized. One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship. I care deeply about our students and our school, and so over the years, I have tried to introduce positive and constructive alternative views. My efforts have fallen on deaf ears. In 2019, I shared with you my negative experiences among hostile and doctrinaire colleagues. You expressed dismay, but I did not hear any follow up from you or other administrators. Since then, the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response. The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color. This year, administrators continue to assert D-E’s policy that we are hiring “for diversity.” D-E has become a workplace that is hostile toward educators based solely on their immutable traits. During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency. Will the school force racial segregation on our students next? I reject D-E’s essentialist, racialist thinking about myself, my colleagues, and my students. As a humanist educator, I strive to create an inclusive classroom by embracing the dignity and unique personality of each and every student; I want to empower all students with the skills and habits of mind that they need to fulfill their potential as learners and human beings. Neither the color of my skin nor the “group identity” assigned to me by D-E dictates my humanist beliefs or my work as an educator. Being told that it does is offensive and wrong, and it violates my dignity as a human being. My conscience does not have a color. D-E claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true. I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 4, 2021 7:43:49 GMT
I did not, I’m not in Virginia - at the time I only had time to do a quick check and she *seemed* passable. But looking more now this showed up, and I’m back to “what the hell is it with some GOP women and oversized guns?” 🤷🏼♀️ So perhaps I do need to read more. Jemele Hill tweeted in response to Virginia Winsome Sears' win: "It's not the messaging, folks. This country simply loves white supremacy." Virginia Winsome Sears' response to that was to post a picture of herself and the words "I beg to differ." In other words, she won't be putting up with any white supremacy. Not that she would shoot someone over it, but what better way to show in picture form, "I'm strong and no one is going to be dominating THIS black woman.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2021 7:45:44 GMT
Oh that’s one reason why he didn’t get my vote. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. But it’s a huge issue in pockets by a small minority. The media has ran with it and made ir seem like the state is going crazy. We think those people are crazy, so Fox News running with the story was perplexing. He’s also promised teachers a raise. Ha ha ha, I apologize for laughing but yeah, we’re not that dumb. He managed to appeal to moderates who did not vote for Trump. I’m willing to give him a chance, but I didn’t think Northam was that great either so my standards aren’t very high. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. What I'm seeing is people are objecting to this type of thing happening in schools and the workplace: Amazing parent testimony on Critical Race Theory in our schools. link A video tweet. And this letter from a teacher: Dear Joe (copies to Head of School, Board Trustees, & English Department Colleagues), I became a teacher at Dwight-Englewood because, as a parent, I loved how the school both nurtured and challenged my own children. Today, I am resigning from a job I love because D-E has changed in ways that undermine its mission and prevent me from holding true to my conscience as an educator. I believe that D-E is failing our students. Over the past few years, the school has embraced an ideology that is damaging to our students’ intellectual and emotional growth and destroying any chance at creating a true community among our diverse population. I reject the hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school. The school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood. They must locate themselves within the oppressor or oppressed group, or some intersectional middle where they must reckon with being part-oppressor and part-victim. This theory of power hierarchies is only one way of seeing the world, and yet it pervades D-E as the singular way of seeing the world. As a result, students arrive in my classroom accepting this theory as fact: People born with less melanin in their skin are oppressors, and people born with more melanin in their skin are oppressed. Men are oppressors, women are oppressed, and so on. This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students. In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think. I teach students who recoil from a poem because it was written by a man. I teach students who approach texts in search of the oppressor. I teach students who see inequities in texts that have nothing to do with power. Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In my professional opinion, the school is failing to encourage healthy habits of mind, essential for growth, such as intellectual curiosity, humility, honesty, reason, and the capacity to question ideas and consider multiple perspectives. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent. How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered? How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power? Sadly, the school is leading many to become true believers and outspoken purveyors of a regressive and illiberal orthodoxy. Understandably, these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives. These young students have no idea that the school has placed ideological blinders on them. Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform. I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized. One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship. I care deeply about our students and our school, and so over the years, I have tried to introduce positive and constructive alternative views. My efforts have fallen on deaf ears. In 2019, I shared with you my negative experiences among hostile and doctrinaire colleagues. You expressed dismay, but I did not hear any follow up from you or other administrators. Since then, the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response. The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color. This year, administrators continue to assert D-E’s policy that we are hiring “for diversity.” D-E has become a workplace that is hostile toward educators based solely on their immutable traits. During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency. Will the school force racial segregation on our students next? I reject D-E’s essentialist, racialist thinking about myself, my colleagues, and my students. As a humanist educator, I strive to create an inclusive classroom by embracing the dignity and unique personality of each and every student; I want to empower all students with the skills and habits of mind that they need to fulfill their potential as learners and human beings. Neither the color of my skin nor the “group identity” assigned to me by D-E dictates my humanist beliefs or my work as an educator. Being told that it does is offensive and wrong, and it violates my dignity as a human being. My conscience does not have a color. D-E claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true. I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions. I wouldn’t be ok with what this person states, either. But I have doubts about its truth, and that is surely not what has been happening in my district that people are complaining about. It doesn’t sound like what is being reported in other districts, either (and in looking at the laws and complaints coming out of Texas and other places).
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 4, 2021 9:17:30 GMT
Haven’t we ALL left the house in a dress, jacket and (probably) heels, toting a large gun? To, you know, do a bit of light target practice? If only one could fit it into a purse! 👀 I mean, really, this is such obvious pandering to the second amendment crowd. I am not against guns-although personally I would not want to own one-but I think that changes need to be made. Left the house in the jacket we got when we won the Masters golf tournament? Why not? Just in case she needs it. 😉
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 11:49:50 GMT
What I'm seeing is people are objecting to this type of thing happening in schools and the workplace: Amazing parent testimony on Critical Race Theory in our schools. link A video tweet. And this letter from a teacher: Dear Joe (copies to Head of School, Board Trustees, & English Department Colleagues), I became a teacher at Dwight-Englewood because, as a parent, I loved how the school both nurtured and challenged my own children. Today, I am resigning from a job I love because D-E has changed in ways that undermine its mission and prevent me from holding true to my conscience as an educator. I believe that D-E is failing our students. Over the past few years, the school has embraced an ideology that is damaging to our students’ intellectual and emotional growth and destroying any chance at creating a true community among our diverse population. I reject the hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school. The school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood. They must locate themselves within the oppressor or oppressed group, or some intersectional middle where they must reckon with being part-oppressor and part-victim. This theory of power hierarchies is only one way of seeing the world, and yet it pervades D-E as the singular way of seeing the world. As a result, students arrive in my classroom accepting this theory as fact: People born with less melanin in their skin are oppressors, and people born with more melanin in their skin are oppressed. Men are oppressors, women are oppressed, and so on. This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students. In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think. I teach students who recoil from a poem because it was written by a man. I teach students who approach texts in search of the oppressor. I teach students who see inequities in texts that have nothing to do with power. Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In my professional opinion, the school is failing to encourage healthy habits of mind, essential for growth, such as intellectual curiosity, humility, honesty, reason, and the capacity to question ideas and consider multiple perspectives. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent. How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered? How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power? Sadly, the school is leading many to become true believers and outspoken purveyors of a regressive and illiberal orthodoxy. Understandably, these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives. These young students have no idea that the school has placed ideological blinders on them. Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform. I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized. One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship. I care deeply about our students and our school, and so over the years, I have tried to introduce positive and constructive alternative views. My efforts have fallen on deaf ears. In 2019, I shared with you my negative experiences among hostile and doctrinaire colleagues. You expressed dismay, but I did not hear any follow up from you or other administrators. Since then, the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response. The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color. This year, administrators continue to assert D-E’s policy that we are hiring “for diversity.” D-E has become a workplace that is hostile toward educators based solely on their immutable traits. During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency. Will the school force racial segregation on our students next? I reject D-E’s essentialist, racialist thinking about myself, my colleagues, and my students. As a humanist educator, I strive to create an inclusive classroom by embracing the dignity and unique personality of each and every student; I want to empower all students with the skills and habits of mind that they need to fulfill their potential as learners and human beings. Neither the color of my skin nor the “group identity” assigned to me by D-E dictates my humanist beliefs or my work as an educator. Being told that it does is offensive and wrong, and it violates my dignity as a human being. My conscience does not have a color. D-E claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true. I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions. I wouldn’t be ok with what this person states, either. But I have doubts about its truth, and that is surely not what has been happening in my district that people are complaining about. It doesn’t sound like what is being reported in other districts, either (and in looking at the laws and complaints coming out of Texas and other places). Of all the things that never happened, that never happened the most.
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pyccku
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by pyccku on Nov 4, 2021 12:20:10 GMT
I wish I had the ability to indoctrinate my students. If I could indoctrinate them, the first things I would do are:
1. Indoctrinate them into attending class on time and on a regular basis. 2. Indoctrinate them into paying attention - putting down the damn phone and giving me 100% attention. 3. Indoctrinate them into doing the work on a timely basis so they can practice what we do in class.
Could someone please tell me where I can get some PD on indoctrination methods that actually work? Unfortunately, the years of training and degrees that I have didn't quite cover that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 13:03:55 GMT
I wish I had the ability to indoctrinate my students. If I could indoctrinate them, the first things I would do are: 1. Indoctrinate them into attending class on time and on a regular basis. 2. Indoctrinate them into paying attention - putting down the damn phone and giving me 100% attention. 3. Indoctrinate them into doing the work on a timely basis so they can practice what we do in class. Could someone please tell me where I can get some PD on indoctrination methods that actually work? Unfortunately, the years of training and degrees that I have didn't quite cover that. Gullible people gonna gullible. Fearful people gonna fear. Ignorant people gonna ignorant.
I'm not sure who's worse, people who write a letter like that or people who believe it.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 13:23:42 GMT
I wish I had the ability to indoctrinate my students. If I could indoctrinate them, the first things I would do are: 1. Indoctrinate them into attending class on time and on a regular basis. 2. Indoctrinate them into paying attention - putting down the damn phone and giving me 100% attention. 3. Indoctrinate them into doing the work on a timely basis so they can practice what we do in class. Could someone please tell me where I can get some PD on indoctrination methods that actually work? Unfortunately, the years of training and degrees that I have didn't quite cover that. Gullible people gonna gullible. Fearful people gonna fear. Ignorant people gonna ignorant.
I'm not sure who's worse, people who write a letter like that or people who believe it.
What really happened: the teacher who wrote that letter is threatened by kids asking tough questions about race in her classes and not being willing to accept her whitewashed version of history as the gospel truth. She's upset by kids challenging each other to be better in their interactions with each other and the world. And to the dad in that video - he says the school's job is to teach math and science, not about life. So no history? No literature? These subjects are not taught in a vacuum - they are taught from someone's perspective. They are how we gain insight into the lives of others. If you're threatened by the fact that the perspective is no longer only the white/wealthy perspective, well, too bad. (I also tend to question any version of events that happen at school as supposedly reported by a kid to a parent who has a particular agenda, without investigation or verification.)
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 4, 2021 13:25:16 GMT
How many hours was the search on for the video and letter? It was time wasted,!
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Post by circusjohnson on Nov 4, 2021 14:55:51 GMT
Oh that’s one reason why he didn’t get my vote. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. But it’s a huge issue in pockets by a small minority. The media has ran with it and made ir seem like the state is going crazy. We think those people are crazy, so Fox News running with the story was perplexing. He’s also promised teachers a raise. Ha ha ha, I apologize for laughing but yeah, we’re not that dumb. He managed to appeal to moderates who did not vote for Trump. I’m willing to give him a chance, but I didn’t think Northam was that great either so my standards aren’t very high. CRT is an issue in Virginia now, and I don’t get it. What I'm seeing is people are objecting to this type of thing happening in schools and the workplace: Amazing parent testimony on Critical Race Theory in our schools. link A video tweet. And this letter from a teacher: Dear Joe (copies to Head of School, Board Trustees, & English Department Colleagues), I became a teacher at Dwight-Englewood because, as a parent, I loved how the school both nurtured and challenged my own children. Today, I am resigning from a job I love because D-E has changed in ways that undermine its mission and prevent me from holding true to my conscience as an educator. I believe that D-E is failing our students. Over the past few years, the school has embraced an ideology that is damaging to our students’ intellectual and emotional growth and destroying any chance at creating a true community among our diverse population. I reject the hostile culture of conformity and fear that has taken hold of our school. The school’s ideology requires students to see themselves not as individuals, but as representatives of a group, forcing them to adopt the status of privilege or victimhood. They must locate themselves within the oppressor or oppressed group, or some intersectional middle where they must reckon with being part-oppressor and part-victim. This theory of power hierarchies is only one way of seeing the world, and yet it pervades D-E as the singular way of seeing the world. As a result, students arrive in my classroom accepting this theory as fact: People born with less melanin in their skin are oppressors, and people born with more melanin in their skin are oppressed. Men are oppressors, women are oppressed, and so on. This is the dominant and divisive ideology that is guiding our adolescent students. In my classroom, I see up close how this orthodoxy hinders students’ ability to read, write, and think. I teach students who recoil from a poem because it was written by a man. I teach students who approach texts in search of the oppressor. I teach students who see inequities in texts that have nothing to do with power. Students have internalized the message that this is the way we read and think about the world, and as a result, they fixate on power and group identity. This fixation has stunted their ability to observe and engage with the full fabric of human experience in our literature. In my professional opinion, the school is failing to encourage healthy habits of mind, essential for growth, such as intellectual curiosity, humility, honesty, reason, and the capacity to question ideas and consider multiple perspectives. In our school, the opportunity to hear competing ideas is practically non-existent. How can students, who accept a single ideology as fact, learn to practice intellectual curiosity or humility or consider a competing idea they’ve never encountered? How can students develop higher order thinking if they are limited to seeing the world only through the lens of group identity and power? Sadly, the school is leading many to become true believers and outspoken purveyors of a regressive and illiberal orthodoxy. Understandably, these students have found comfort in their moral certainty, and so they have become rigid and closed-minded, unable or unwilling to consider alternative perspectives. These young students have no idea that the school has placed ideological blinders on them. Of course, not all students are true believers. Many pretend to agree because of pressure to conform. I’ve heard from students who want to ask a question but stop for fear of offending someone. I have heard from students who don’t participate in discussions for fear of being ostracized. One student did not want to develop her personal essay — about an experience she had in another country — for fear that it might mean that she was, without even realizing it, racist. In her fear, she actually stopped herself from thinking. This is the very definition of self-censorship. I care deeply about our students and our school, and so over the years, I have tried to introduce positive and constructive alternative views. My efforts have fallen on deaf ears. In 2019, I shared with you my negative experiences among hostile and doctrinaire colleagues. You expressed dismay, but I did not hear any follow up from you or other administrators. Since then, the stifling conformity has only intensified. Last fall, two administrators informed faculty that certain viewpoints simply would not be tolerated during our new “race explicit” conversations with our new “anti-racist” work. They said that no one would be allowed to question the orthodoxy regarding “systemic racism.” The message was clear, and the faculty went silent in response. The reality is that fear pervades the faculty. On at least two separate occasions in 2017 and 2018, our Head of School, standing at the front of Hajjar Auditorium, told the entire faculty that he would fire us all if he could so that he could replace us all with people of color. This year, administrators continue to assert D-E’s policy that we are hiring “for diversity.” D-E has become a workplace that is hostile toward educators based solely on their immutable traits. During a recent faculty meeting, teachers were segregated by skin color. Teachers who had light skin were placed into a “white caucus” group and asked to “remember” that we are “White” and “to take responsibility for [our] power and privilege.” D-E’s racial segregation of educators, aimed at leading us to rethink of ourselves as oppressors, was regressive and demeaning to us as individuals with our own moral compass and human agency. Will the school force racial segregation on our students next? I reject D-E’s essentialist, racialist thinking about myself, my colleagues, and my students. As a humanist educator, I strive to create an inclusive classroom by embracing the dignity and unique personality of each and every student; I want to empower all students with the skills and habits of mind that they need to fulfill their potential as learners and human beings. Neither the color of my skin nor the “group identity” assigned to me by D-E dictates my humanist beliefs or my work as an educator. Being told that it does is offensive and wrong, and it violates my dignity as a human being. My conscience does not have a color. D-E claims that we teach students how to think, not what to think. But sadly, that is just no longer true. I hope administrators and board members awaken in time to prevent this misguided and absolutist ideology from hollowing out D-E, as it has already hollowed out so many other institutions. So I went looking for this letter. This is a private school. They can pretty much do what they want, they only really answer to parents. To use this letter as an example of what is going on in public school is disingenuous. This isn't happening in any public school district in my state. I know this because I sit on a board for my state school librarians. I doubt it's happening in any public school system. But I do know what is happening in my district as parents take letters like these and claim it's happening here and then use that to try and get a version of history taught that they like or to remove books. As others have pointed out on this thread, CRT has become anything that talks of race at all. The award winning book New Kid is on every hit list for books I've seen. It tells the story of a black boy who goes to a predominately white school and has to deal with racism and micro aggressions. Another book on many hit lists is From the Desk of Zoey Washington, a story of a young black girl who's father is incarcerated and she thinks he may be innocent and sets out to free him. Nothing about these books should cause outrage. They teach empathy and understanding for someone else experience. I guess kids need to be shielded from that! You claim that we aren't being fair or even correctly characterizing what parents are objecting to and I say you are not being fair in what you are presenting as evidence!
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 4, 2021 15:27:43 GMT
The really scary thing about education in my opinion is the level of distrust between teachers and parents. It seems to be at an all time high. I think that's really driving the ability for the CRT rhetoric to take hold. I'm not really sure there's an easy answer on fixing it, but I'm genuinely concerned about the near term future of public education. We had a "keep CRT out of our schools" candidate for our school board and while they lost, they garnered 45% of the votes, and I live in a pretty liberal area - although this is the more rural section of the district that trends more conservative in general.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2021 15:31:50 GMT
The really scary thing about education in my opinion is the level of distrust between teachers and parents. It seems to be at an all time high. I think that's really driving the ability for the CRT rhetoric to take hold. I'm not really sure there's an easy answer on fixing it, but I'm genuinely concerned about the near term future of public education. We had a "keep CRT out of our schools" candidate for our school board and while they lost, they garnered 45% of the votes, and I live in a pretty liberal area - although this is the more rural section of the district that trends more conservative in general. There needs to be a framework that counters the anti-crt rhetoric. But it Is tricky because once someone believes that, it is hard to get them to see something different.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 15:32:04 GMT
The really scary thing about education in my opinion is the level of distrust between teachers and parents. It seems to be at an all time high. I think that's really driving the ability for the CRT rhetoric to take hold. I'm not really sure there's an easy answer on fixing it, but I'm genuinely concerned about the near term future of public education. We had a "keep CRT out of our schools" candidate for our school board and while they lost, they garnered 45% of the votes, and I live in a pretty liberal area - although this is the more rural section of the district that trends more conservative in general. What do you think we can do to increase trust that doesn't involve micromanaging teachers?
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 15:34:08 GMT
The really scary thing about education in my opinion is the level of distrust between teachers and parents. It seems to be at an all time high. I think that's really driving the ability for the CRT rhetoric to take hold. I'm not really sure there's an easy answer on fixing it, but I'm genuinely concerned about the near term future of public education. We had a "keep CRT out of our schools" candidate for our school board and while they lost, they garnered 45% of the votes, and I live in a pretty liberal area - although this is the more rural section of the district that trends more conservative in general. There needs to be a framework that counters the anti-crt rhetoric. But it Is tricky because once someone believes that, it is hard to get them to see something different. I mean ... we have federal and state standards, state and district adopted curricula, and individual school choices for learning (such as IB). How many more frameworks do we need? Any parent can look at the curriculum and see what is likely to be covered.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 4, 2021 15:48:51 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 4, 2021 15:49:58 GMT
The really scary thing about education in my opinion is the level of distrust between teachers and parents. It seems to be at an all time high. I think that's really driving the ability for the CRT rhetoric to take hold. I'm not really sure there's an easy answer on fixing it, but I'm genuinely concerned about the near term future of public education. We had a "keep CRT out of our schools" candidate for our school board and while they lost, they garnered 45% of the votes, and I live in a pretty liberal area - although this is the more rural section of the district that trends more conservative in general. What do you think we can do to increase trust that doesn't involve micromanaging teachers? I'm really not sure which is why I said there are no easy answers. I think Covid has really hurt trust on both sides and unfortunately I don't see even with children being eligible for the vaccine that things will return to "normal" anytime soon.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 4, 2021 15:55:35 GMT
I feel that no random parent should dictate curriculum. it should be approved by a school board/state with the INPUT of parents. not veto power.
there are teachers who need to be called out on their stuff. with three kids all through public school, I only really complained. with a written letter three times.. once, 7th grade teacher showed "a man called horse" in english class. what the objective was.. couldn't tell.. but that was an r rated movie and not appropriate in that setting and that age. no notice. 2nd, when a high school english teacher wanted the kids to write 4 paragraphs stating their personal religious beliefs. my daughter was really upset and I found it was against the state education code. then my daughter was really upset with being assigned "the unbearable lightness of being".. they had to watch the movie and read the book. I felt that material belonged in the library and maybe the teacher should have notified parents, and given alternative novel. that is far more sexual graphic than bluest eye. but I went through the system and for the most part, teachers were just fine as was the curriculum. I taught my kids at home extras.. what I knew.. like the pilgrims did not come to let all people to practice religion freely-- they came to show the world the "right way" to live.
screaming at school boards and teachers is not the way.. and people should educate themselves before they scream. I feel my kids learned about history from school, but also from me. we have to tackle the tough subjects of race and history.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 4, 2021 16:03:37 GMT
There needs to be a framework that counters the anti-crt rhetoric. But it Is tricky because once someone believes that, it is hard to get them to see something different. I mean ... we have federal and state standards, state and district adopted curricula, and individual school choices for learning (such as IB). How many more frameworks do we need? Any parent can look at the curriculum and see what is likely to be covered. I'm not necessarily referring to a school framework, but more of a social framework (maybe that isn't even the right term?). For example, earlier in the thread I posted a link to the anti-CRT toolkit. There are several different groups and websites that are working "against CRT (their version of CRT)". But I am not aware of any group that is working to counteract the information that they send out. In my town, our local group has been sending out flyers in the local paper that talk about hot button issues like a certain book, or the equity audit, etc. They are full of misinformation and are just propaganda. We need ideas on how to effectively fight this. Have you listened to the podcast South Lake? You may know a lot about it because it is in Texas, but what happened there is fairly similar to what is happening here and in other areas. I was hoping that there was a counter group already formulated, but there doesn't seem to be. Many people seem to be just rolling their eyes, or saying, "It's not even taught in K-12 so it's a nothing burger." That is a mistake.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 16:06:18 GMT
Do you think individual parents with no qualifications should be able to decide what your kid is taught or what books are available to them? I guess I'm not seeing where McAuliffe's position is problematic. The books currently being questioned in Texas deal with race issues, not graphic sex. Parents are objecting to books that might indicate a white person anywhere ever did anything that might have hurt a person of color because it will supposedly make white kids feel bad about themselves.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 4, 2021 16:11:49 GMT
Do you think individual parents with no qualifications should be able to decide what your kid is taught or what books are available to them? I guess I'm not seeing where McAuliffe's position is problematic. Parents don't need qualifications to to determine if pornography is appropriate for their kids or not. I won't post the pictures (yes PICTURES) from one of my links above, they are that graphic. You can view them here: sanzi.substack.com/p/the-book-includes-sexually-explicit
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
Do you think individual parents with no qualifications should be able to decide what your kid is taught or what books are available to them? I guess I'm not seeing where McAuliffe's position is problematic. Parents don't need qualifications to to determine if pornography is appropriate for their kids or not. I won't post the pictures (yes PICTURES) from one of my links above, they are that graphic. You can view them here: sanzi.substack.com/p/the-book-includes-sexually-explicitI amended my post above to say that the books being questioned in Texas currently are to do with racial issues, not sexual ones. I agree that sexually explicit material should not be in a middle school classroom. I think there can be a time and place for high school students to have the *choice* to read something more graphic, particularly in the context of a book club. I read quickly through the links you posted and did not see evidence that any child was *required* to read one of those books, but I may have missed it. But the fine people here in my state are mad at books that teach accurate history or current issues because they don't always portray white people in a positive light. I do not think that another parent should be able to have those books removed from school libraries. Parents who want high schools to stop teaching books that tackle painful issues, like Beloved, are not qualified to determine our curriculum. ETA: if you want to dictate what your child learns, please homeschool them. No one here has time to tailor our lessons to your personal beliefs.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 4, 2021 16:19:57 GMT
I amended my post above to say that the books being questioned in Texas currently are to do with racial issues, not sexual ones. I agree that sexually explicit material should not be in a middle school classroom. I think there can be a time and place for high school students to have the *choice* to read something more graphic, particularly in the context of a book club. But the fine people here in my state are mad at books that teach accurate history or current issues because they don't always portray white people in a positive light. I do not think that another parent should be able to have those books removed from school libraries. ETA: if you want to dictate what your child learns, please homeschool them. No one here has time to tailor our lessons to your personal beliefs. I'm curious, what books are on the block in your state? Specifically?
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 16:25:00 GMT
I amended my post above to say that the books being questioned in Texas currently are to do with racial issues, not sexual ones. I agree that sexually explicit material should not be in a middle school classroom. I think there can be a time and place for high school students to have the *choice* to read something more graphic, particularly in the context of a book club. But the fine people here in my state are mad at books that teach accurate history or current issues because they don't always portray white people in a positive light. I do not think that another parent should be able to have those books removed from school libraries. ETA: if you want to dictate what your child learns, please homeschool them. No one here has time to tailor our lessons to your personal beliefs. I'm curious, what books are on the block in your state? Specifically? This is the list of books that Texas librarians are being asked to check for and submit reports to the state about how many they have and what they cost. You'll notice that many/most are about race issues. Some present LGBTQ issues in a positive or neutral way, or discuss the history of abortion politics. Note that no one knows where this list came from or that any of those books currently reside in our school libraries - it's a "scare list" for parents inclined to think the schools are indoctrinating their kids. static.texastribune.org/media/files/94fee7ff93eff9609f141433e41f8ae1/krausebooklist.pdf?_ga=2.11573559.2091958781.1635513476-272773625.1635513476Librarians are also being asked to identify any books in their schools that cover "human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) or acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), sexually explicit images, graphic presentations of sexual behavior that is in violation of the law, or contain material that might make students feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress because of their race or sex or convey that a student, by virtue of their race or sex, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously." Personally, I think our state would do better to make sure every school has a librarian and a well-stocked library. There are several schools in my district that have neither. Instead, we're asking the librarians we do have to go on a witch hunt for books that may never have seen the inside of a school.
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Post by circusjohnson on Nov 4, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
I just looked at a few of those, Yeah those are not appropriate for Middle School which is what I teach. But those are not the books my community is asking about. They want George by Alex Gino a completely age appropriate book about a transgender girl. They want the two books I mentioned in my pervious post about black characters. They want the book A home for Goddesses and Dogs. Which Must be because the Aunt has a female partner.... Those are the books I am talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2021 17:43:47 GMT
As my teacher friend said, "I can't wait for parents to tell me what to teach." This exactly. If parents are willing to entrust their children to teachers 7 hours a day, why are they not willing to trust those qualified professionals to determine what should be in the curriculum? School will turn into just a place to drop your kids off for the day if teachers have no control over what's taught in their classroom and uneducated parents decide. If parents want complete control over what their kids are taught, then they can homeschool them. I think one of the worst things about the internet is that Americans have decided they are experts on everything, after they do their own "research". My dh is a nurse practitioner and he gets really annoyed when he has discussions with patients about the Covid vaccine. They claim they did their own "research" but have no idea what's actually in the vaccine. Generally, their "research" is on social media reading Uncle Fred's anti-vax posts or Nicky Menage's tweet about her cousin's friend with the enlarged testicles. I'm all for parents being genuinely more knowledgeable about what's happening in their child's classroom or patients being more informed from reliable sources about the vaccine. However, parents deciding what should be in the curriculum for all kids and patients thinking their research makes them an expert is too much. People don't try to tell their mechanic, electrician, plumber, pilot etc how to do their job. They should let teachers and medical providers do theirs. As a parent the biggest problem I have with our school curriculum is the lack of transparency into what is being taught. For example, during "COVID school" (aka remote learning) I learned in my teen's World History class that the content stopped at World War I. There was ZERO discussion about World War I, World War II, why they started, how they were stopped, or anything past that. That to me that is very concerning because we are not teaching kids about the big mistakes humanity as a whole made and think about how to prevent them from happening again. Parents as a whole are not involved in the happenings of their school districts and don't take the time to learn and understand why something may be done a certain way or a certain subject taught in a certain manner. Yes, there have been things taught at school that my husband and I do not agree with in the curriculum. Instead of storming a school board meeting or sending scathing emails to teachers we use it as an opportunity to say and demonstrate "you don't have to think that way because there are other options and those options are....". We NEED our kids to be free thinkers. Critical thinkers. They can't do that when one person/agency is in charge so parents being involved and let's face it, parents don't or won't own it. Regardless if your kid is a bookworm, artist, athlete, musician, you have to be able to think that means being able to see things from different perspectives. I also think public education professionals (not just teachers but many across various operations) need to be a bit more flexible. Regardless of the career position you are, you can and will get "too deep in the weeds" and be too rigid to routine to see and reflect on different perspectives on how to accomplish something. Using education as an example I see it all the time in the three different school district volunteer committees I am on. I even have our superintendent now saying to his staff "don't get so deep in the weeds you can't see the water moving, the fish swimming, and the sun shining". The "it's my way or the highway" mentality is going to be the downfall of us all regardless of the political side you walk with.
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Post by Merge on Nov 4, 2021 18:41:51 GMT
This exactly. If parents are willing to entrust their children to teachers 7 hours a day, why are they not willing to trust those qualified professionals to determine what should be in the curriculum? School will turn into just a place to drop your kids off for the day if teachers have no control over what's taught in their classroom and uneducated parents decide. If parents want complete control over what their kids are taught, then they can homeschool them. I think one of the worst things about the internet is that Americans have decided they are experts on everything, after they do their own "research". My dh is a nurse practitioner and he gets really annoyed when he has discussions with patients about the Covid vaccine. They claim they did their own "research" but have no idea what's actually in the vaccine. Generally, their "research" is on social media reading Uncle Fred's anti-vax posts or Nicky Menage's tweet about her cousin's friend with the enlarged testicles. I'm all for parents being genuinely more knowledgeable about what's happening in their child's classroom or patients being more informed from reliable sources about the vaccine. However, parents deciding what should be in the curriculum for all kids and patients thinking their research makes them an expert is too much. People don't try to tell their mechanic, electrician, plumber, pilot etc how to do their job. They should let teachers and medical providers do theirs. As a parent the biggest problem I have with our school curriculum is the lack of transparency into what is being taught. For example, during "COVID school" (aka remote learning) I learned in my teen's World History class that the content stopped at World War I. There was ZERO discussion about World War I, World War II, why they started, how they were stopped, or anything past that. That to me that is very concerning because we are not teaching kids about the big mistakes humanity as a whole made and think about how to prevent them from happening again. Parents as a whole are not involved in the happenings of their school districts and don't take the time to learn and understand why something may be done a certain way or a certain subject taught in a certain manner. Yes, there have been things taught at school that my husband and I do not agree with in the curriculum. Instead of storming a school board meeting or sending scathing emails to teachers we use it as an opportunity to say and demonstrate "you don't have to think that way because there are other options and those options are....". We NEED our kids to be free thinkers. Critical thinkers. They can't do that when one person/agency is in charge so parents being involved and let's face it, parents don't or won't own it. Regardless if your kid is a bookworm, artist, athlete, musician, you have to be able to think that means being able to see things from different perspectives. I also think public education professionals (not just teachers but many across various operations) need to be a bit more flexible. Regardless of the career position you are, you can and will get "too deep in the weeds" and be too rigid to routine to see and reflect on different perspectives on how to accomplish something. Using education as an example I see it all the time in the three different school district volunteer committees I am on. I even have our superintendent now saying to his staff "don't get so deep in the weeds you can't see the water moving, the fish swimming, and the sun shining". The "it's my way or the highway" mentality is going to be the downfall of us all regardless of the political side you walk with. What did the school say when you asked about at what point the 20th century content is covered? How flexible should we be when we have 750 parents with 750 different ideas about what we should be teaching? Am I required to take curriculum ideas from all of them?
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