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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 6:12:41 GMT
I believe this was less about racism and more about the nail Mcauliff drove into his own coffin by saying parents should not have any control over what is taught in schools. Chris Hurst lost his race by being incredibly stupid the night before the election by driving around and taking his opponents signs out of the yards and was stopped by the police for it. Like it or not, Virginia voted RED. The issue about education is all about racism. Parents were concerned about how racism is taught in schools. Parents don't want their white children to feel guilty about slavery. McAuliffe vetoed a bill that would allow parents to remove books they found objectionable from libraries. McAuliffe's words were twisted and amplified by right wing media and Republicans in videos, ads and Parents Matter rallies. www.c-span.org/video/?c4979586/user-clip-terry-mcauliffe-i-parents-telling-schools-teachwww.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/27/viral-image/no-isnt-real-mcauliffe-campaign-sign/www.nytimes.com/2021/10/12/us/politics/virginia-governor-republicans-schools.htmlMr. McAuliffe shot back that he did not believe āparents should be telling schools what they should teach.ā In the weeks since, heās stood by those remarks, saying that the state Board of Education and local school boards should determine what is taught in the classroom. But Mr. Youngkin and Republicans, stripping the quotation from its context, have turned the footage into the core of their argument that Mr. McAuliffe would side with government over parents. Just showing you that itās not just an assertion that the election was based in part on race. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 6:16:55 GMT
Gullible people gonna gullible. Fearful people gonna fear. Ignorant people gonna ignorant.
I'm not sure who's worse, people who write a letter like that or people who believe it.
What really happened: the teacher who wrote that letter is threatened by kids asking tough questions about race in her classes and not being willing to accept her whitewashed version of history as the gospel truth. She's upset by kids challenging each other to be better in their interactions with each other and the world. And to the dad in that video - he says the school's job is to teach math and science, not about life. So no history? No literature? These subjects are not taught in a vacuum - they are taught from someone's perspective. They are how we gain insight into the lives of others. If you're threatened by the fact that the perspective is no longer only the white/wealthy perspective, well, too bad. (I also tend to question any version of events that happen at school as supposedly reported by a kid to a parent who has a particular agenda, without investigation or verification.) And Merge already very articulately refuted your āevidenceā that teachers are āsteering away from critical thinkingā. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 6:21:14 GMT
So I went looking for this letter. This is a private school. They can pretty much do what they want, they only really answer to parents. To use this letter as an example of what is going on in public school is disingenuous. This isn't happening in any public school district in my state. I know this because I sit on a board for my state school librarians. I doubt it's happening in any public school system. But I do know what is happening in my district as parents take letters like these and claim it's happening here and then use that to try and get a version of history taught that they like or to remove books. As others have pointed out on this thread, CRT has become anything that talks of race at all. The award winning book New Kid is on every hit list for books I've seen. It tells the story of a black boy who goes to a predominately white school and has to deal with racism and micro aggressions. Another book on many hit lists is From the Desk of Zoey Washington, a story of a young black girl who's father is incarcerated and she thinks he may be innocent and sets out to free him. Nothing about these books should cause outrage. They teach empathy and understanding for someone else experience. I guess kids need to be shielded from that! You claim that we aren't being fair or even correctly characterizing what parents are objecting to and I say you are not being fair in what you are presenting as evidence! Another argument against your evidence. You clearly have not read the thread or responses to your āevidenceā so Iām going to quit now. Weāre clearly past the point of diminishing returns. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 6:25:05 GMT
Evidence that the Virginia race was based in part on race, not just an assertion. from the article linked Call it a "racist dog whistle," as McAuliffe did; call it white grievance, but Democrats have to come up with a convincing way to answer the (often false) charges about how children are being taught about structural racism in schools. Someone labeling it a "dog whistle" is not proof. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 6:28:07 GMT
So I went looking for this letter. This is a private school. They can pretty much do what they want, they only really answer to parents. To use this letter as an example of what is going on in public school is disingenuous. This isn't happening in any public school district in my state. I know this because I sit on a board for my state school librarians. I doubt it's happening in any public school system. But I do know what is happening in my district as parents take letters like these and claim it's happening here and then use that to try and get a version of history taught that they like or to remove books. As others have pointed out on this thread, CRT has become anything that talks of race at all. The award winning book New Kid is on every hit list for books I've seen. It tells the story of a black boy who goes to a predominately white school and has to deal with racism and micro aggressions. Another book on many hit lists is From the Desk of Zoey Washington, a story of a young black girl who's father is incarcerated and she thinks he may be innocent and sets out to free him. Nothing about these books should cause outrage. They teach empathy and understanding for someone else experience. I guess kids need to be shielded from that! You claim that we aren't being fair or even correctly characterizing what parents are objecting to and I say you are not being fair in what you are presenting as evidence! Another argument against your evidence. You clearly have not read the thread or responses to your āevidenceā so Iām going to quit now. Weāre clearly past the point of diminishing returns. I showed you more evidence of more teachers and students saying it's happening. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 6:32:30 GMT
From Fox News. Something thatās not even taught in k-12 schools was key to the election. www.foxnews.com/politics/critical-race-theory-virginia-top-factor-important-fox-analysiswww.reuters.com/world/us/culture-war-education-rages-virginia-governors-race-2021-07-22/www.politico.com/newsletters/the-recast/2021/11/02/virginia-election-2021-critical-race-theory-494946www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2021/11/02/critical-race-theory-debated-on-social-media--it-could-decide-virginia-gubernatorial-election/?sh=5045435a7986slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/11/polls-critical-race-theory-virginia-election.htmlThe racial concentration of this movement toward Youngkin was one sign that CRT, as an ethnic appeal, was working. Another sign was that his 12-point improvement among white voters on education was bigger than his improvement among white voters on any other issue, including jobs, taxes, and law enforcement. Youngkinās gains on education were concentrated among white people, and his gains among white people were concentrated in education. In fact, on the question of āwho do you trust more on education,ā the gap between white voters and Black voters grew more in those two months than did the gap between Democrats and Republicans. Race, not party, was driving the polarization. The network exit poll, released on Nov. 2, showed the same pattern. Youngkin got 62 percent of the white vote and 13 percent of the Black vote, a gap of 49 points. But among voters who said parents should have a lot of āsay in what schools teachāāabout half the electorateāhe got 90 percent of the white vote and only 19 percent of the Black vote, a gap of 71 points. The idea that parents should have more say in the curriculumāYoungkinās central messageāhad become racially loaded. And the loading was specific to race: Other demographic gaps for which data were reported in the exit pollābetween men and women, and between white college graduates and whites who hadnāt graduated from collegeāget smaller, not bigger, when you narrow your focus from the entire sample to the subset of voters who said parents should have a lot of say in what schools taught. Only the racial gap increases. The exit poll didnāt ask voters about CRT, but it did ask about confederate monuments on government property. Sixty percent of white voters said the monuments should be left in place, not removed, and 87 percent of those voters went to Youngkin. That was 25 points higher than his overall share of white voters. The election had become demonstrably polarized, not just by race but by attitudes toward the history of racism. All the evidence indicates that Youngkinās attacks on CRT played a role in this polarization. So, yes, there was a backlash against ācritical race theoryā in Virginia. And, yes, it helped Republicans win. Their strategy of hyping, distorting, and attacking CRT worked. But it didnāt work by appealing to parents. It worked by appealing to race. Overwhelming evidence that the election was based in part on race |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 6:43:26 GMT
Overwhelming evidence that the election was based in part on race You saying that objecting to crt is racist, is not evidence that it's racist. |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2021 6:46:16 GMT
It proves nothing. In order for it to be conclusive evidence of what is happening our schools you need proof itās happening in the majority of our schools. Which you have not provided. 4-5 schools proves nothing in a country with thousands of schools. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 6:56:15 GMT
It proves nothing. In order for it to conclusive evidence of what is happening our schools you need proof itās happening in the majority of our schools. Which you have not provided. 4-5 schools proves nothing in a country with thousands of schools. A private school teacher was not evidence. One teacher's letter was not enough evidence, so I showed students and more teachers from public schools. Keep asking for more evidence then move those goal posts when more and more evidence is shown. That proves its not happening.  |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 6, 2021 7:30:07 GMT
Overwhelming evidence that the election was based in part on race You saying that objecting to crt is racist, is not evidence that it's racist. Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Linking a video shared by The Daily Caller, a site that Tucker Carlson helped to found, is hardly proof. They have a bit of an āagenda.ā And it has been explained that private schools and public schools are very different rules when it comes to the curriculum. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 8:11:51 GMT
You saying that objecting to crt is racist, is not evidence that it's racist. Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes.Linking a video shared by The Daily Caller, a site that Tucker Carlson helped to found, is hardly proof. They have a bit of an āagenda.ā And it has been explained that private schools and public schools are very different rules when it comes to the curriculum. It's the teachers from public schools too and students telling you about the racial division being sown and shutting down critical thinking in favor of conformity that is what I'm showing you. It's not the daily caller that is the point here. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 12:52:15 GMT
Linking a video shared by The Daily Caller They got nuthin else when they're justifying and "Both sides'ing" the issue of slavery. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 13:07:06 GMT
Critical race theory is not taught in K-12 schools. Itās just something Republicans, including Youngkin, falsely used to stir up their base with hate and fear. Critical race theory is absolutely about race and the objection to it was a big factor in the Virginia election. The fight that broke out at the school board meeting in Loudoun county, Virginia was over critical race theory. www.npr.org/2021/07/02/1012696188/how-critical-race-theory-went-from-harvard-law-to-fox-newswww.npr.org/2021/06/02/1001055828/the-brewing-political-battle-over-critical-race-theory"If Republicans can make [voters] feel threatened and their place in society threatened in terms of white culture and political correctness and cancel culture, that's a visceral and emotional issue, and I do think it could impact turnout." www.npr.org/2021/06/24/1009839021/uncovering-who-is-driving-the-fight-against-critical-race-theory-in-schoolsKINGKADE: Right. So you have a situation where virtually all school districts confronted about this are saying, we don't teach critical race theory. It's not part of our curriculum. But opponents are using critical race theory as really more of a catchall to include anything teaching students about systemic racism, any mention of white privilege, and, really, the definition that they're using has expanded to include anything related to equity, diversity and inclusion. They tossed in terms like social-emotional learning. These are not things that the average person maybe gives a lot of thought about, but these are very commonly used terms in K-12 schools across the country. So what they'll do is they've highlighted, in many cases, examples of perhaps a diversity workshop for employees, a lesson for students. They'll point to things that are said during the lesson and say, this is an example of critical race theory and that it's teaching students that they are either oppressors or the oppressed and that America is basically racist at its core, and there is no redeeming value to our country. GROSS: Are the critics of CRT being taught in the schools - or what they define as CRT being taught in the schools - are they basically denying that racism has been woven into American history? KINGKADE: I would say, to an extent, they are. I've talked to a lot of parents on the side of opposing critical race theory, and many of them have told me they don't believe that systemic racism exists. I've had conversations with parents who say they don't think that they have any sort of white privilege, though they are white. I think when you get down to it, when you drill into these conversations, there is a fundamental disagreement between the parents who are getting involved and advocating against critical race theory and the way that anyone who would study critical race theory - again, like in the academic world - there's a fundamental disagreement in how they see the world. GROSS: It's such a confusing issue for some people because what's being taught in the schools isn't critical race theory, because critical race theory is something that pertains to the university level. It's, you know, it's an academic pursuit. It's not something you're going to learn in kindergarten or sixth grade or seventh grade. But the idea of racism and equity is something that is being introduced in schools. But that's not the language that the opposition is using. They're not saying we're against children learning that there's racism in American history. So do you think that the way this conservative movement is positioning and describing CRT is misleading? KINGKADE: Yes, certainly. I've talked to many parents at this point who said when they first heard the word equity, they thought it meant the same thing as equality. And only later did they find out a different definition of equity. And the way they look at it is equity, which is something that you'll hear in many companies, in many school districts as a goal, as something that they may even have someone hired to focus on, the parents against critical race theory will say equity means everyone gets the same grade or that a child who is Black or Latino is going to get a better grade just because of their race. And that's just simply not it. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 6, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes.Linking a video shared by The Daily Caller, a site that Tucker Carlson helped to found, is hardly proof. They have a bit of an āagenda.ā And it has been explained that private schools and public schools are very different rules when it comes to the curriculum. It's the teachers from public schools too and students telling you about the racial division being sown and shutting down critical thinking in favor of conformity that is what I'm showing you. It's not the daily caller that is the point here. I think that The Daily Caller plays a part in this conspiracy theory. Itās one of many RW sites that spread these tales. Are districts lying when they say that CRT is not being taught in K-12 public schools? No, because they have to answer to their stateās education departments. It does not surprise me that a handful of people are claiming that CRT is being discussed in schools. I know from my former schoolās FB site that some of our teachers were/are staunch Republicans. There were lively discussions about school closing, masking and vaccines. Some of those same people would view any discussion of slavery/race as CRT. So a handful of people is not exactly proof. Especially when their stories are shared in a rag like The Daily Caller. |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2021 14:17:35 GMT
It proves nothing. In order for it to conclusive evidence of what is happening our schools you need proof itās happening in the majority of our schools. Which you have not provided. 4-5 schools proves nothing in a country with thousands of schools. A private school teacher was not evidence. One teacher's letter was not enough evidence, so I showed students and more teachers from public schools. Keep asking for more evidence then move those goal posts when more and more evidence is shown. That proves its not happening. So out of 26,000 + high schools in this country itās supposedly happening in less then 10 schools. Iām making assumptions that itās high schools where this is supposedly happening. And has it been verified by an outside disinterested third party that itās actually happening in these few schools? Or itās just the word of individuals who have no clue what they are talking about or that they are prejudice? I mean when people make accusations of this sort itās usually verified by a third party. Right? And without third party verification itās just opinions. In the future you may want to be specific that you were not providing evidence of widespread behavior but behavior in a very limited capacity. And without third party verification is it really happening as these individuals claim? This is not moving the goal posts, but doing our due diligence questioning the accuracy of the evidence. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2021 16:55:36 GMT
It proves nothing. In order for it to conclusive evidence of what is happening our schools you need proof itās happening in the majority of our schools. Which you have not provided. 4-5 schools proves nothing in a country with thousands of schools. A private school teacher was not evidence. One teacher's letter was not enough evidence, so I showed students and more teachers from public schools. Keep asking for more evidence then move those goal posts when more and more evidence is shown. That proves its not happening. I hate to break it to you, but Fox is not great at vetting their stories. My district had an equity audit last year and there was a questionnaire that students were asked to fill out in December (this was during distance learning). The superintendent sent out a video through email, which explained the survey and he explicitly said that it was optional, as were any of the questions. In JUNE, after a presentation by an anti-"CRT" group, a local group was formed that opposed the equity audit. First, they tried to say that they just wanted access to the questions and the data from the survey, although they also said that the group that conducted the survey was Marxist, aligned with CRT, and not credible to conduct an equity survey because one of the employees of the company had BLM posted on his personal facebook page. They made a big stink about the survey questions. When they got their data and the questions, they couldn't find a whole lot wrong with the questions apparently, except that they asked what race, gender or religion a student identified with. So then the complaints turned to whether or not the school broke the law by asking the questions. That must not have gone anywhere, either, because I haven't heard about it for awhile. One mom and her child (who was 9 or 10 at the time) went on Fox News saying that the teacher told the daughter's class that they couldn't tell anyone about the questions, even their parents. But what was really in the script that the teachers were told to read was that they wanted students to answer the questions from their own perspective. This parent and others in the group went on the attack without even bringing it up to the school (in December or prior to going on Fox) to see what was actually said or to share their concerns. The sole purpose was to bring negative attention to the district. It worked. She also went on some other conservative radio shows, I believe. After that, the district had to cancel community ed classes for at least a week and take other precautions because of the threats of death and other violence towards school staff. How is that helpful for the district in any way? The district cut ties with the equity group (district staff also agreed that there were some parts of the contract that were not upheld by the equity group) but of course that didn't appease the anti-equity group. Because their real agenda wasn't just about the date as they tried to get people to believe. That is how it started, and how they lure people in. But that is not what is behind their agenda. Now they are posting little tidbits of information that they supposedly got from the school in their request for the curriculum in certain classes. The sole purpose here is to inflame people regarding race and gender identity. They don't give any context to what the lesson is about, or how/why it is taught. these things are happening all over the country. The fact that "conservatives" condone and support this behavior is truly deplorable. This is an overview of what the "anti-CRT toolkit" proposes. Notice the steps that they suggest be taken to get people invested in the "cause" and also where getting someone to go to the media is part of the plan. drive.google.com/file/d/17iaan5agGOV01S6zvC2q554Sio7iGvW-/view?fbclid=IwAR0KqbK1Nz7u8fOtmwo-gRa9xMLdll8N922etLSvpKLe1YOwGbN3GV10aWI |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 20:05:32 GMT
The teachers and the students in the videos have nothing to do with Fox News or the Daily Caller. Neither Fox News or the Daily Caller shot these videos or were even present when the teachers and the students spoke of their experiences.
The teachers' and students' words are their own and are completely outside of any so called Daily Caller or Fox News agenda.
So dismissing their words because of Daily Caller or Fox News so called agendas is not an accurate dismissal.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 20:36:34 GMT
Fox News and right wing media played a big role in stirring up hate and fear around critical race theory. They also failed to disclose that in some of the videos they showed, the parents had ties to conservative groups. Fox is not a credible source. www.nbcnews.com/media/parents-opposed-critical-race-theory-fox-news-are-gop-activists-report-rcna1216Fox News failed to fully disclose the professional conservative ties of 11 guests featured in numerous segments about the teaching of critical race theory in schools, according to a new report from Media Matters, a liberal watchdog group that monitors conservative media. www.washingtonpost.com/media/2021/10/06/fox-news-critical-race-theory/In June, the term was mentioned 993 times during Fox News programming, including overnight rebroadcasts of daytime and prime-time shows. In July, it was mentioned 921 times. That was after being mentioned only 132 times in all of 2020. Kendall Thomas, a professor at Columbia Law School and a scholar of critical race theory, argued that conservative activists who have stoked the debate about the intellectual movement āwant people to associate critical race theory with a whole range of things that have nothing to do with critical race theory. Itās a cynical effort to weaponize the illiteracy and the lack of knowledge in this country generally about race, racism and the law.ā www.cnn.com/2021/07/23/media/fox-news-race-baiting/index.htmlwww.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/conservative-media-critical-race-theory-oppositionwww.npr.org/2021/07/02/1012696188/how-critical-race-theory-went-from-harvard-law-to-fox-newswww.nytimes.com/2021/07/02/podcasts/the-daily/critical-race-theory-debate.html?showTranscript=1And another article connecting the Virginia election and racism www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/11/05/trump-didnt-invent-racism-racism-invented-trump-and-other-elected-hopefuls/In an act of political desperation, like clockwork, Youngkin leaned on what many candidates have done before himāa made-up Black boogie man to rile up voters. Instead of the Black Menace trope, the super-predator device, or the potential horrors of school busing, critical race theory (CRT) was the boogie man of choice used to stoke the Republican base and peel off white Democrats. ā[T]hereās no place for critical race theory in our school system,ā said Glenn Youngkin on Fox News. āA nd why, on day one, Iām going to ban it.ā
To advance a policy agenda, Youngkin and Rufo stole a page from the racist election playbook, to say ālook out for the boogie man,ā or in this case, CRT. Itās the same playbook that television reality star Donald Trump used to place himself in the political spotlight. Trump instead used birtherism as his boogie man. |
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 6, 2021 20:59:00 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes that is incorrect. They are lying to parents. Indiana teacher and curriculum developer: "Iām the science coach and admin in the largest public school district in Indiana. Iām in dozens of classrooms a week, so I see exactly what weāre teaching our students." "When schools tell you that we arenāt teaching Critical Race Theory, it means one thing: Go away and look into our affairs no further. It isnāt about transparency; it isnāt about cultural relevance; itās race essentialism, painted to look like the district cares about students of color. We call it anti-racism so you feel bad if you disagree with our segregationist pedagogy." "Parents: When we tell you Critical Race Theory isnāt being taught in our schools, weāre lying. Keep looking." "Yes, we told principals at the beginning of the year to lie to parents and tell them we werenāt using CRT in schools. Yes, we continue to lie."
LINK video tweetHis Bios: Tony Kinnett is a curriculum developer, educator, and STEM coordinator in Indianapolis, Indiana. He is the co-founder of The Chalkboard Review, an education publication seeking to represent all teachers Anthony Kinnett is a curriculum developer in Indiana with a B.S. in Science Education and a M.A. in Curriculum Development and Education Technology. He is a former education policy and legislation advisor to Governor Walker of Wisconsin. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 21:07:02 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? You'll never convince them of that. They'll use single data points (out of hundreds of thousands of teachers, students, classrooms, etc) and point to them as gospel - it's what they're used to. They have no idea how data/evidence/reasoning work. Single data point is equivalent in their world to scholarly articles, studies, findings. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2021 21:30:59 GMT
The teachers and the students in the videos have nothing to do with Fox News or the Daily Caller. Neither Fox News or the Daily Caller shot these videos or were even present when the teachers and the students spoke of their experiences. The teachers' and students' words are their own and are completely outside of any so called Daily Caller or Fox News agenda. So dismissing their words because of Daily Caller or Fox News so called agendas is not an accurate dismissal. They are their own words, but it doesnāt mean they are accurate. Fox and other right wing sources feed on that and you are believing it as if it Is fact and exactly as that person says or perceives. That Is a really big problem. |
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 6, 2021 21:32:30 GMT
I was at a large gathering with friends yesterday and we all had a rousing discussion about what happened in Virginia and the very narrow win in New Jersey, and what these convey to the Democratic Party.
This group is a smattering of more moderate Dems, two Republicans, some liberals, and some Dems like me who lean very progressive on some issues and left of center on others, all black. (To provide some sort of perspective, older black people, meaning those in my Boomer generation, IME, may be reliably Dems at the polls but generally moderate in their worldview. My parentsā contemporaries--the Greatest Generation--tend to be more conservative although they vote for Dems. In contrast, our younger ones tend to be generally ultra-liberal and progressive.)
During this post-mortem lots of various opinions surfaced:
(1) We gave Dems the WH, the House and Senate, and they still canāt agree amongst themselves; the extreme level of dysfunction and animosity within this party is killing us.
(2) We (meaning black voters) resurrected a dead Biden campaign to get Trump out, not for Biden to be FDR/you canāt be FDR or LBJ with a 50-50 Senate and zero Republican allies.
(3) Who are these progressives who are willing to sacrifice seats in the House and Senate? Theyāre in districts where anyone blue is a guaranteed win. How are you going to sell these progressive desires in swing districts?
(4) Are hand-outs really what Americans want? No. What they want is the dignity of jobs with living wages and immediate solutions to inflation.
(5) Whoās going to ultimately pay for these bills? My children and grandchildren.
(6) Does anyone understand what ātrillionā means anymore?
(7) (As hackneyed as it may seem) āItās the economy, stupid.ā (Along the same vein: Weāre sick and tired of culture wars.)
(8) Enough about Trump.
These were just the more prevalent opinions. Make of them what you will.
Suffice to say that Build Back Better, the bill currently propelling Dems' warring factions and spotlighting the dysfunction, is not universally popular with this group, whether itās because of the actual provisions reported as a framework, or the price tag, or both, much to my surprise. Supplementing what I learned from this group with a day of reading, I can only conclude that there is not one reason that can exclusively be attributed for our recent losses; rather, there are several and some of them have been voiced above.
My personal opinion is that weāre already at a point of no returnāthe infrastructure bill has been passed; just go ahead and put BBB up for a vote as soon as it satisfies the parliamentarian. Should it pass, by the time midterms are upon us, the positives in its provisions would/might already be apparent. At least enough to maintain the reliable voting blocs of the Democratic Party and hopefully prove wrong the dreaded āmidterm curse.ā Should it fail to pass, itās not the end of the world. Break it up into different bills, just focus only on the biggest priorities and abandon the others, and work toward a consensus if at all possible.
There will not be an end to the challenges and possible defeats that face us in legislating prior to midterms because we do not have the margins. We just do not (thatās precisely why people like Manchin and Sinema have outsized influence). Accept that fact, truly listen to what ordinary folks are saying, overhaul our messaging. Otherwise, come midterms weāll be back to assigning blame and looking for succor for our wounds. The solution is to win more seats.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2021 21:33:03 GMT
Let's compare the terror over CRT to the crickets over school massacres.....
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 6, 2021 21:33:54 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes that is incorrect. They are lying to parents. Indiana teacher and curriculum developer: "Iām the science coach and admin in the largest public school district in Indiana. Iām in dozens of classrooms a week, so I see exactly what weāre teaching our students." "When schools tell you that we arenāt teaching Critical Race Theory, it means one thing: Go away and look into our affairs no further. It isnāt about transparency; it isnāt about cultural relevance; itās race essentialism, painted to look like the district cares about students of color. We call it anti-racism so you feel bad if you disagree with our segregationist pedagogy." "Parents: When we tell you Critical Race Theory isnāt being taught in our schools, weāre lying. Keep looking." "Yes, we told principals at the beginning of the year to lie to parents and tell them we werenāt using CRT in schools. Yes, we continue to lie."
LINK video tweetHis Bios: Tony Kinnett is a curriculum developer, educator, and STEM coordinator in Indianapolis, Indiana. He is the co-founder of The Chalkboard Review, an education publication seeking to represent all teachers Anthony Kinnett is a curriculum developer in Indiana with a B.S. in Science Education and a M.A. in Curriculum Development and Education Technology. He is a former education policy and legislation advisor to Governor Walker of Wisconsin. Letās not ignore the fact that they have totally misconstrued and twisted the meaning of CRT. See my posts quite a bit earlier on this thread with the tweets from Chris Rufo and the āexpandedā definition of CRT. When republicans talks about CRT, they are referring to something totally different than actual CRT, the theory that is taught in law schools. ETA: there is also another CRT (cultural responsive teaching) which I sometimes wonder if people are getting confused with Critical Race Theory. There are going to be teachers that believe what Fox and RW media are telling them, just as there are those people in other professions. |
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 6, 2021 22:00:00 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes that is incorrect. They are lying to parents. Indiana teacher and curriculum developer: "Iām the science coach and admin in the largest public school district in Indiana. Iām in dozens of classrooms a week, so I see exactly what weāre teaching our students." "When schools tell you that we arenāt teaching Critical Race Theory, it means one thing: Go away and look into our affairs no further. It isnāt about transparency; it isnāt about cultural relevance; itās race essentialism, painted to look like the district cares about students of color. We call it anti-racism so you feel bad if you disagree with our segregationist pedagogy." "Parents: When we tell you Critical Race Theory isnāt being taught in our schools, weāre lying. Keep looking." "Yes, we told principals at the beginning of the year to lie to parents and tell them we werenāt using CRT in schools. Yes, we continue to lie."
LINK video tweetHis Bios: Tony Kinnett is a curriculum developer, educator, and STEM coordinator in Indianapolis, Indiana. He is the co-founder of The Chalkboard Review, an education publication seeking to represent all teachers Anthony Kinnett is a curriculum developer in Indiana with a B.S. in Science Education and a M.A. in Curriculum Development and Education Technology. He is a former education policy and legislation advisor to Governor Walker of Wisconsin. Has anyone verified what he is claiming? A disinterested third party? The school board? Anybody? Did he offer up any actual examples of a CRT curriculum being taught by teachers or even a teacher in the schools? Does anyone even know what an actual CRT curriculum would consist of? Could it be that some of stuff that teachers have been teaching for years is now being labeled by some as being āCRTā? And how much does the 1619 Project have to do with the hysteria the Right is creating about CRT and what is actually being taught in schools? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 6, 2021 22:13:27 GMT
Objecting to CRT? In the public schools? How can you object to something that is not happening? Everything that I have read is telling me that it is not taught in the public schools. Is that incorrect? Yes that is incorrect. They are lying to parents. Indiana teacher and curriculum developer: "Iām the science coach and admin in the largest public school district in Indiana. Iām in dozens of classrooms a week, so I see exactly what weāre teaching our students." "When schools tell you that we arenāt teaching Critical Race Theory, it means one thing: Go away and look into our affairs no further. It isnāt about transparency; it isnāt about cultural relevance; itās race essentialism, painted to look like the district cares about students of color. We call it anti-racism so you feel bad if you disagree with our segregationist pedagogy." "Parents: When we tell you Critical Race Theory isnāt being taught in our schools, weāre lying. Keep looking." "Yes, we told principals at the beginning of the year to lie to parents and tell them we werenāt using CRT in schools. Yes, we continue to lie."
LINK video tweetHis Bios: Tony Kinnett is a curriculum developer, educator, and STEM coordinator in Indianapolis, Indiana. He is the co-founder of The Chalkboard Review, an education publication seeking to represent all teachers Anthony Kinnett is a curriculum developer in Indiana with a B.S. in Science Education and a M.A. in Curriculum Development and Education Technology. He is a former education policy and legislation advisor to Governor Walker of Wisconsin. We know that some people, including teachers who are conservatives, consider any discussion of slavery, race, red lining, and a host of other topics, to be CRT. Unless the school district is using CRT-and I bet that it isnāt-youāve got bupkis. ETA Anthony Kinnett is a former aide to Governor WALKER-one of the most myopic, conservative governors, who thankfully is no longer Governor. Andā¦this is just too good. He is an author at The Federalist. š thefederalist.com/author/tony-kinnett/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 6, 2021 22:55:12 GMT
His Bios: Tony Kinnett is a curriculum developer, educator, and STEM coordinator in Indianapolis, Indiana. He is the co-founder of The Chalkboard Review, an education publication seeking to represent all teachers Anthony Kinnett is a curriculum developer in Indiana with a B.S. in Science Education and a M.A. in Curriculum Development and Education Technology. He is a former education policy and legislation advisor to Governor Walker of Wisconsin. We know that some people, including teachers who are conservatives, consider any discussion of slavery, race, red lining, and a host of other topics, to be CRT. Unless the school district is using CRT-and I bet that it isnāt-youāve got bupkis. ETA Anthony Kinnett is a former aide to Governor WALKER-one of the most myopic, conservative governors, who thankfully is no longer Governor. Andā¦this is just too good. He is an author at The Federalist. š thefederalist.com/author/tony-kinnett/Not biased at all then.  |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 7, 2021 1:21:58 GMT
On the left, the outgoing Democrat VA governor Ralph Northam, and on the right, the incoming immigrant marine veteran Republican VA lieutenant governor Winsome Sears. View AttachmentThe sad thing is that there are a butt load of republicans in office right now, who, sans the black face, are still serving. One could only hope you point those guys out too. IOKIYR |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 7, 2021 3:06:42 GMT
On the left, the outgoing Democrat VA governor Ralph Northam, and on the right, the incoming immigrant marine veteran Republican VA lieutenant governor Winsome Sears. <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> I find it a bit confusing that those that voted for Youngkin and Sears are being called racist/white supremists yet the current governor of VA was photographed in black face. Or was he the one in the KKK hood? Iām still unclear. I find it a bit confusing that those who voted for (and contribute to support) trump, Cotton, Scalise, King, Abbott, and quite a few others, are butt hurt over being called racist/white supremists, after they verbalize their ugly hateful rhetoricā¦Iām still unclearā¦ IOKIYR |
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