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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 4:15:00 GMT
In comparison, former said there were good people on both sides and never apologized for those comments. That's been debunked. Even by Politifact. the Republican Partyās embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkinās failure to condemn it,ā No need for him to condemn something that isn't even true.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 4:28:14 GMT
You ask for verifiable proof from me, I give it. You say, one teacher is not enough. I give other teachers, a students' and a parents' experience For future reference: anecdotes are not "verifiable proof". You really need to look into what it takes to "prove" something. X number of anecdotes ain't it. The scientific method - look into it if you're going to play pretend expert.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2021 4:48:01 GMT
You're trying to criticize McAuliffe for something he had no involvement with and condemned in strong terms. Lincoln Project was trying to draw attention to what happened in Charlottesville. The way they went about it was wrong and they accepted responsibility. In comparison, former said there were good people on both sides and never apologized for those comments. The Republicans have looked the other way and sometimes knowingly embraced white supremacy. Lincoln Project - āTodayās demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Partyās embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkinās failure to condemn it,ā the Lincoln Project said in an unnamed statement. āWe will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trumpās assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed āvery fineā qualities, weāll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, weāll be back.ā McAuliffe tweeted the picture and said that "this should disqualify Youngkin." That's his involvement in it. Since he deleted his tweet, I can't link it. They more than likely only came up with their story after they were found out. They sure didn't promote it when they stood up there. They were heard saying "We support Youngkin" as they stood there. This is not a reliable group. The Lincoln Project has been in trouble for covering for one of their founders was sexually harassing underaged boys. I highly doubt anything they say. So we're just supposed to take your word for it that McAuliffe or his staff tweeted something? Initially you claimed his campaign was involved so forgive me if I don't believe you. Let's say he did tweet something? Surely someone took a screen shot?
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2021 4:56:18 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 9, 2021 4:58:15 GMT
LP did have an issue and the person wĆ s removed several years ago.
Can't say the same for the candidates former is presently supporting for 2022. Greitens(Mo), Parnell in Pennsylvania strangled his wife ... Ohio Mandal and Vance..
Let us not forget Cruz attacking Big Bird... After his embarrassing trip to Cancun..
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2021 4:59:38 GMT
the Republican Partyās embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkinās failure to condemn it,ā No need for him to condemn something that isn't even true. Youngkin deliberately stirred up fear, racism and hate with his anti- CRT campaign. And the election of a black lieutenant governor does not absolve him of that. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/07/winsome-sears-virginia-election-youngkin-racist-campaign/Youngkinās election was fueled by a campaign that used the bogeyman of ācritical race theoryā to tap into the grievance of White voters. It showed that fear worked. Because hereās the deal: Voting for a Black candidate does not grant absolution from racism, nor from being motivated by the racist dog whistles ā or nowadays, bullhorns ā that politicians use to play on racial fears for political gain. Youngkin's campaign ran an attack ad against the novel Beloved www.nytimes.com/2021/10/27/us/politics/beloved-toni-morrison-virginia.html
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 5:01:36 GMT
You ask for verifiable proof from me, I give it. You say, one teacher is not enough. I give other teachers, a students' and a parents' experience For future reference: anecdotes are not "verifiable proof". You really need to look into what it takes to "prove" something. X number of anecdotes ain't it. The scientific method - look into it if you're going to play pretend expert. I'm pretty sure the expert on someone's own experiences is that person. I provided video of people giving their testimony on their own experiences. Take it or leave it, I don't really care. It's just interesting that you all provide anecdotes all day long every damn day and you just take it as gospel to the conversation. No one asks you for proof and then moves the goal post at every thing provided. Double standard noted. Makes honest conversation non existent.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 9, 2021 5:02:12 GMT
You are making assumptions again. I tracked the story down that had the tweet from a staffer using her own account. It had a date of 10/29/2021 so I went to Twitter and starting the day before the date & read everyone of Terry McAuliffeās tweets until the election. What you claimed was there wasnāt. I thought of sharing what I found but decided screw it, YOU should have done this work before you made the accusation. And now there is information aj2hall brought that the McAuliffe Campaign condemned the Lincoln Project stunt. How convenient for you. You ask for verifiable proof from me, I give it. You say, one teacher is not enough. I give other teachers, a students' and a parents' experience and then you move the goal posts that those personal accounts of their own experience need to be verified by "a disinterested third party". Now, when I ask where you got your info, you say "screw it, look for it yourself". That's your standard answer when you really can't back up your claims. That's how I know you aren't being honest in the discussion. It wasn't the aide's account that was tweeted on, it was McAuliffe's account. I saw it. I found information about a spokesperson of McAuliffe taking responsibility for something else entirely. Racists tweets from the spokesperson. Not the tweet about the tiki torch hoax. You are making assumptions again. You are the perfect patsy for the right. They say something stupid and you run with it like its the gospel without doing your own due diligence. And all that stuff you brought to this thread of what is supposedly happening in the schools. There are over 86,000 schools in this country, 26,000 of them are high schools. Just exactly how many schools are experiencing what your āproofā is claiming? 1,2, 10? And has it been verified by school officials or an outside source that it is actually happening as your āproofā claims it is? Or is it just their word for these accusations? You do understand folks have axes to grind donāt you? And before heads start to roll donāt you think what is supposedly happening is verified to be actually happening?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 5:12:10 GMT
So we're just supposed to take your word for it that McAuliffe or his staff tweeted something? I saw it and I don't give a rip roarin' fuck what you believe. Initially you claimed his campaign was involved so forgive me if I don't believe you. No, I did not. You have a problem with saying I said something I never said and even when you're told and shown the exact quote you still keep repeating your twisted version of it. You're doing it on purpose, you're not that dumb. Stop pretending you are. Let's say he did tweet something? Surely someone took a screen shot? You'd think. Yes they did: From the article: His actual words: āExcuse me, they didnāt put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group ā excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.ā āIām not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.āāRacism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.ā
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 5:57:56 GMT
But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. There are NO FINE PEOPLE on the side of Nazis. Ur welcome.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 6:40:58 GMT
But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. There are NO FINE PEOPLE on the side of Nazis. Ur welcome. He didnāt say on the side of Nazis. He said on both sides of the statue removal debate. YOU are welcome.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 9, 2021 9:32:40 GMT
You're trying to criticize McAuliffe for something he had no involvement with and condemned in strong terms. Lincoln Project was trying to draw attention to what happened in Charlottesville. The way they went about it was wrong and they accepted responsibility. In comparison, former said there were good people on both sides and never apologized for those comments. The Republicans have looked the other way and sometimes knowingly embraced white supremacy. Lincoln Project - āTodayās demonstration was our way of reminding Virginians what happened in Charlottesville four years ago, the Republican Partyās embrace of those values, and Glenn Youngkinās failure to condemn it,ā the Lincoln Project said in an unnamed statement. āWe will continue to hold Glenn Youngkin accountable. If he will denounce Trumpās assertion that the Charlottesville rioters possessed āvery fineā qualities, weāll withdraw the tiki torches. Until then, weāll be back.ā Gia/pixiechik isnāt interested in the facts, sheās just interested in her narrative.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 9, 2021 10:07:42 GMT
For future reference: anecdotes are not "verifiable proof". You really need to look into what it takes to "prove" something. X number of anecdotes ain't it. The scientific method - look into it if you're going to play pretend expert. I'm pretty sure the expert on someone's own experiences is that person. I provided video of people giving their testimony on their own experiences. Take it or leave it, I don't really care. It's just interesting that you all provide anecdotes all day long every damn day and you just take it as gospel to the conversation. No one asks you for proof and then moves the goal post at every thing provided. Double standard noted. Makes honest conversation non existent. Okay hypocriteā¦ Wanna comment on this??? www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/paul-gosar-anime-video-killing-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-twitter-attack-titan-1646933%3famp=1
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Post by sunshine on Nov 9, 2021 10:23:29 GMT
The Mcauliffe twit that tweeted Youngkin should be disqualified was Jen Goodman. Jen Goodman was on his communications team, and had worked on Biden's campaign. It's been reported one of the Lincoln Project "actors" holding a tiki torch worked for the VA democratic party in some way (I have no interest in digging more). Eric Swalwell couldn't control himself because even he jumped on tweeting the hoax. thepostmillennial.com/breaking-mcauliffe-campaign-condemns-tiki-torch-hoax-after-spending-all-day-spreading-it/There is no fricking way McAuliff's campaign had no idea Lincoln Project was behind this from the beginning. They only "apologized" once people started digging into the claim and LP had to come clean. Time for fred and revirdsuba99 to make another donation to Lincoln Project.
adding: Looking more, Jen Goodman wasn't just on McAuliffe's communications team, she was the communications director. She was in charge of putting out communication for the McAuliffe campaign. What a bunch of scum.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 12:42:37 GMT
The Mcauliffe twit that tweeted Youngkin should be disqualified was Jen Goodman. Jen Goodman was on his communications team, and had worked on Biden's campaign. It's been reported one of the Lincoln Project "actors" holding a tiki torch worked for the VA democratic party in some way (I have no interest in digging more). Eric Swalwell couldn't control himself because even he jumped on tweeting the hoax. thepostmillennial.com/breaking-mcauliffe-campaign-condemns-tiki-torch-hoax-after-spending-all-day-spreading-it/There is no fricking way McAuliff's campaign had no idea Lincoln Project was behind this from the beginning. They only "apologized" once people started digging into the claim and LP had to come clean. Time for fred and revirdsuba99 to make another donation to Lincoln Project.
adding: Looking more, Jen Goodman wasn't just on McAuliffe's communications team, she was the communications director. She was in charge of putting out communication for the McAuliffe campaign. What a bunch of scum.
So just to clarify, your position is not that you have evidence that the McAuliffe campaign had knowledge of or involvement in the PL stunt. Itās that you have personally chosen to believe that āthereās no wayā they didnāt know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 13:18:27 GMT
Itās that you have personally chosen to believe that āthereās no wayā they didnāt know. It's "beliefs" vs. evidence and reasoning. Who needs the latter (which are strict, have rules, and take work) when you have so much of the former (which are free and easy)!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 13:22:53 GMT
There are NO FINE PEOPLE on the side of Nazis. Ur welcome. He didnāt say on the side of Nazis. He said on both sides of the statue removal debate. YOU are welcome. There are NO FINE PEOPLE on the side of White Supremacy.
Ur welcome.
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 14:19:38 GMT
So we're just supposed to take your word for it that McAuliffe or his staff tweeted something? I saw it and I don't give a rip roarin' fuck what you believe. Initially you claimed his campaign was involved so forgive me if I don't believe you. No, I did not. You have a problem with saying I said something I never said and even when you're told and shown the exact quote you still keep repeating your twisted version of it. You're doing it on purpose, you're not that dumb. Stop pretending you are. Let's say he did tweet something? Surely someone took a screen shot? You'd think. Yes they did: From the article: His actual words: āExcuse me, they didnāt put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group ā excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.ā āIām not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.āāRacism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.ā
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation. Semantics. I know, you know, and Trump knows too, that there is no difference between white nationalists and people on the "keep Confederate statues from the Jim Crow era up in our town square" side of that debate. He wants to keep the support of the white nationalists but also disavow them.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 9, 2021 14:46:04 GMT
The Mcauliffe twit that tweeted Youngkin should be disqualified was Jen Goodman. Jen Goodman was on his communications team, and had worked on Biden's campaign. It's been reported one of the Lincoln Project "actors" holding a tiki torch worked for the VA democratic party in some way (I have no interest in digging more). Eric Swalwell couldn't control himself because even he jumped on tweeting the hoax. thepostmillennial.com/breaking-mcauliffe-campaign-condemns-tiki-torch-hoax-after-spending-all-day-spreading-it/There is no fricking way McAuliff's campaign had no idea Lincoln Project was behind this from the beginning. They only "apologized" once people started digging into the claim and LP had to come clean. Time for fred and revirdsuba99 to make another donation to Lincoln Project.
adding: Looking more, Jen Goodman wasn't just on McAuliffe's communications team, she was the communications director. She was in charge of putting out communication for the McAuliffe campaign. What a bunch of scum.
So just to clarify, your position is not that you have evidence that the McAuliffe campaign had knowledge of or involvement in the PL stunt. Itās that you have personally chosen to believe that āthereās no wayā they didnāt know. I'm gonna keep my "position" pretty simple-if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck, pretty damn good chance it's a fucking duck. Agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me.
As for the rest of my post, for those that wanted "proof" that McAuliffe/his campaign put out a statement that Youngkin should be disqualified, there it is.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 9, 2021 14:51:02 GMT
linkFrom the Politifact transcript where he first said very nice people. Note the reporter asked him why it took him so long to āblast neo-nazisā. Only reason I brought this over at all was the part I posted because it gave a good laugh when I read the bolded parts. And everyone should start their day with a good laugh donāt you think? āReporter: "Let me ask you, Mr. President, why did you wait so long to blast neo-Nazis?" Trump: "I didnāt wait long. I didnāt wait long." Reporter: "Forty-eight hours." Trump: " I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct -- not make a quick statement. The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. But you donāt make statements that direct unless you know the facts. It takes a little while to get the facts. You still donāt know the facts. And itās a very, very important process to me, and itās a very important statement. " So I donāt want to go quickly and just make a statement for the sake of making a political statement. I want to know the facts. If you go back to -- Reporter: "So you had to (inaudible) white supremacists?" Trump: "I brought it. I brought it. I brought it." Reporter: "Was it terrorism, in your opinion, what happened?" Trump: "As I said on -- remember, Saturday -- we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America. And then it went on from there. Now, hereās the thing --" Reporter: (Inaudible) Trump: "Excuse me. Excuse me. Take it nice and easy. Hereās the thing: When I make a statement, I like to be correct. I want the facts. This event just happened. In fact, a lot of the event didnāt even happen yet, as we were speaking. This event just happened." Before I make a statement, I need the facts. So I donāt want to rush into a statement. So making the statement when I made it was excellent. In fact, the young woman, who I hear was a fantastic young woman, and it was on NBC -- her mother wrote me and said through, I guess, Twitter, social media, the nicest things. And I very much appreciated that. I hear she was a fine -- really, actually, an incredible young woman. But her mother, on Twitter, thanked me for what I said. " And honestly, if the press were not fake, and if it was honest, the press would have said what I said was very nice. But unlike you, and unlike -- excuse me, unlike you and unlike the media, before I make a statement, I like to know the facts."
pixiechick & sunshine please note how your fearless leader is going on about how facts are important. Itās just too bad the three of you donāt believe it. But I did have a good laugh! š
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 14:55:11 GMT
So just to clarify, your position is not that you have evidence that the McAuliffe campaign had knowledge of or involvement in the PL stunt. Itās that you have personally chosen to believe that āthereās no wayā they didnāt know. I'm gonna keep my "position" pretty simple-if it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, if it looks like a duck, pretty damn good chance it's a fucking duck. Agree or disagree, doesn't matter to me.
As for the rest of my post, for those that wanted "proof" that McAuliffe/his campaign put out a statement that Youngkin should be disqualified, there it is.
How did it walk, quack, or look like a duck? Seriously, I want to know. As far as I can see, you've drawn a line from "people I don't like" to "I know they were involved even though there is no evidence to support this."
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Post by dizzycheermom on Nov 9, 2021 19:09:01 GMT
The Mcauliffe twit that tweeted Youngkin should be disqualified was Jen Goodman. Jen Goodman was on his communications team, and had worked on Biden's campaign. It's been reported one of the Lincoln Project "actors" holding a tiki torch worked for the VA democratic party in some way (I have no interest in digging more). Eric Swalwell couldn't control himself because even he jumped on tweeting the hoax. thepostmillennial.com/breaking-mcauliffe-campaign-condemns-tiki-torch-hoax-after-spending-all-day-spreading-it/There is no fricking way McAuliff's campaign had no idea Lincoln Project was behind this from the beginning. They only "apologized" once people started digging into the claim and LP had to come clean. Time for fred and revirdsuba99 to make another donation to Lincoln Project.
adding: Looking more, Jen Goodman wasn't just on McAuliffe's communications team, she was the communications director. She was in charge of putting out communication for the McAuliffe campaign. What a bunch of scum.
But pixiechick insists that she saw that McAuliffe tweeted it. So one of you is incorrect.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 9, 2021 20:45:21 GMT
I'm still waiting for any of the pea Republicans to speak out against Paul Gosar and say that he needs to be removed from Congress....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 21:33:59 GMT
I'm still waiting for any of the pea Republicans to speak out against Paul Gosar and say that he needs to be removed from Congress.... You'll be waiting a LONG time....
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 22:39:14 GMT
Yes they did: From the article: His actual words: āExcuse me, they didnāt put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group ā excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.ā āIām not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.āāRacism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.ā
So, now that you know... stop spreading misinformation. Semantics. I know, you know, and Trump knows too, that there is no difference between white nationalists and people on the "keep Confederate statues from the Jim Crow era up in our town square" side of that debate. He wants to keep the support of the white nationalists but also disavow them. He undeniably differentiated them in his statement. No matter how you twist them, the words he used, clearly show that he is not calling white supremacists, white nationalists, or racists, "good people". He undeniably condemns them.
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Post by amom23 on Nov 9, 2021 22:50:27 GMT
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Post by Merge on Nov 9, 2021 23:19:20 GMT
Semantics. I know, you know, and Trump knows too, that there is no difference between white nationalists and people on the "keep Confederate statues from the Jim Crow era up in our town square" side of that debate. He wants to keep the support of the white nationalists but also disavow them. He undeniably differentiated them in his statement. No matter how you twist them, the words he used, clearly show that he is not calling white supremacists, white nationalists, or racists, "good people". He undeniably condemns them. Because heās trying to have his cake and eat it too. No twisting necessary. Now matter how arduously you defend him, Gia, heāll never love you.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 9, 2021 23:27:44 GMT
Absolutely no twisting. Remember in the debate when he was asked to tell white supremecists to stand down? He clearly told them to stand by and stand back, he refused to denounce them. I donāt care what other statements he or his press secretaries made. Theyāre outweighed by his refusals to denounce them. When heās asked a clear, direct, simple question and has an opportunity to denounce them, he refuses to do it. He undeniably refused to condemn them.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:40:37 GMT
He undeniably differentiated them in his statement. No matter how you twist them, the words he used, clearly show that he is not calling white supremacists, white nationalists, or racists, "good people". He undeniably condemns them. Because heās trying to have his cake and eat it too. No twisting necessary. Now matter how arduously you defend him, Gia, heāll never love you. You pretending to read his mind in order to claim he meant something other that the actual words he used, doesn't change the words, the meaning of them, or reality. You trying to do that is absolutely twisting. So it would seem you deemed it necessary. The only way the words he said mean something different than the words actual meaning is for you to pretend. My name is pixiechick. To call me someone else is rude. But to call me by someone's name that you've already successfully vilified only shows your desperate need to vilify. It reveals that you don't have enough faith in your twisting of reality. If you need to vilify ME you can do it by basing it on MY posts.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 9, 2021 23:41:39 GMT
Absolutely no twisting. Remember in the debate when he was asked to tell white supremecists to stand down? He clearly told them to stand by and stand back, he refused to denounce them. I donāt care what other statements he or his press secretaries made. Theyāre outweighed by his refusals to denounce them. When heās asked a clear, direct, simple question and has an opportunity to denounce them, he refuses to do it. He undeniably refused to condemn them. āIām not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.ā He denounced them.
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