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Post by Merge on Dec 10, 2021 2:34:24 GMT
Sending warm and positive thoughts to all of you.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 10, 2021 2:41:10 GMT
Thank you all for your responses. I was able to talk to him yesterday and he sounded good. It breaks my heart to think of how this great kid really has been abandoned by his parents. His bio mom left when he was two years old, took a plane to California, and never looked back. Then my daughter married his father (way too soon, I think) and cared for him since then. His father was cheating on my daughter several times and she finally divorced him. When she left him she took both kids (she and he had a child together as well) and he was ok with it. Over time he visited less and stopped calling. Now he doesn't visit or call and my daughter even emailed him several times and mentioned that he was in the hospital. No response. My grandson told the therapist that the only reason he is still alive is because of my daughter. He knows that she loves him. I always tell him that I do too. I'm so thankful that he asked for help, and we have an opportunity to show him that we love him no matter what. He's a really good kid. <3
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grammanisi
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Post by grammanisi on Dec 10, 2021 2:47:20 GMT
I'm so sorry to hear this. Hugs to all of you ❤️
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muggins
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Post by muggins on Dec 10, 2021 3:03:37 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him.
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Post by kate on Dec 10, 2021 3:03:40 GMT
I'm so sorry he's in such pain. The poor kid. God bless your DD as she mothers him, and God bless you as you mother DD.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2021 11:41:50 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 10, 2021 12:25:11 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him. This is so horrifying and it's absolutely the reason I didn't respond yesterday. I have a transgender kid who has attempted suicide 4 times. I get exactly how scary that is. I feel for the OPs grandson. I hate that he's going through this. And I hate even more that his comfort people have spent their lives believing that being LGBTQ is a mental illness. It feels heartbreaking to me to think about what her grandson may have heard from his own family that may be affecting his ability to be supported by them. I cannot imagine what he would feel if he read these posts here. The OP and her beliefs might have contributed to his suicide attempt and it may sound petty, but I did not know how to offer her comfort when this is her perspective. I guess it was ok to feel this way when it was my kid, but suddenly it's yours and now you want comfort? After the horrible things you said which pierced the hearts of all of us who love LGBTQ kids? I will pray for her grandson. I will pray that he will be able to surround himself with people who truly love him for who he is. I will pray that his contact with people who think he's mentally ill for being gay is minimized. I will pray that their words and actions aren't the things that drive him to it. I feel so bad for this kid my heart breaks.
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Post by muggins on Dec 10, 2021 12:46:40 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him. Thank you for addressing that directly. I also find it interesting that after 3 years of being away from the board, rainbow bunny returns needing advice and support on this particular topic from a bunch of lefty liberal peas.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 13:01:40 GMT
And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him. Thank you for addressing that directly. I also find it interesting that after 3 years of being away from the board, rainbow bunny returns needing advice and support on this particular topic from a bunch of lefty liberal peas. Exactly and I don't happen to think she's changed much either when she uses words like " not being because of the gay thing" in her opening post . Gay THING? ?
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 10, 2021 13:11:08 GMT
Thank you for addressing that directly. I also find it interesting that after 3 years of being away from the board, rainbow bunny returns needing advice and support on this particular topic from a bunch of lefty liberal peas. Exactly and I don't happen to think she's changed much either when she uses words like " not being because of the gay thing" in her opening post . Gay THING? ? Yes,she made it front and center in her title and then tried to dismiss it in the post. My child has not come out to the entire family yet, but she has heard enough over the years to know exactly who in the family might not be supportive. Kids know. Kids hear. Just the way the title/OP was written tells me that the OP has not been able to hide her beliefs from her grandson. I'm sure he knows full well she's someone to not be counted on for support.
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Post by teddyw on Dec 10, 2021 13:12:58 GMT
I’m so sorry. I hope he gets the help he needs in the hospital and when he’s released.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 10, 2021 13:17:26 GMT
And hope that she is truly over thinking that being gay is a “mental illness” or that members of the LBGTQ community are “freak shows” or that gays are “sinners” because that is most certainly not going to help him. This is so horrifying and it's absolutely the reason I didn't respond yesterday. I have a transgender kid who has attempted suicide 4 times. I get exactly how scary that is. I feel for the OPs grandson. I hate that he's going through this. And I hate even more that his comfort people have spent their lives believing that being LGBTQ is a mental illness. It feels heartbreaking to me to think about what her grandson may have heard from his own family that may be affecting his ability to be supported by them. I cannot imagine what he would feel if he read these posts here. The OP and her beliefs might have contributed to his suicide attempt and it may sound petty, but I did not know how to offer her comfort when this is her perspective. I guess it was ok to feel this way when it was my kid, but suddenly it's yours and now you want comfort? After the horrible things you said which pierced the hearts of all of us who love LGBTQ kids? I will pray for her grandson. I will pray that he will be able to surround himself with people who truly love him for who he is. I will pray that his contact with people who think he's mentally ill for being gay is minimized. I will pray that their words and actions aren't the things that drive him to it. I feel so bad for this kid my heart breaks. I’ll always advocate for the LBGTQ community and I remember how disgustingly toxic rainbow/bunny was about her opinions on LBGTQ. And using religious exemption as a lame excuse. It’s funny (sarcasm) when religious zealots can go against the core teaching of Jesus—love one another. I do hope the grandson gets help far away from that kind of toxic belief.
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 10, 2021 13:18:01 GMT
Thank you for addressing that directly. I also find it interesting that after 3 years of being away from the board, rainbow bunny returns needing advice and support on this particular topic from a bunch of lefty liberal peas. Exactly and I don't happen to think she's changed much either when she uses words like " not being because of the gay thing" in her opening post . Gay THING? ? Yes, the "gay thing" was what I noticed right away, after unblocking the post so I could read it. My heart breaks for this boy. I pray that he can find help, and acceptance and love from people who love him just as he is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 13:19:16 GMT
Wishing him all the best , it sounds like he going through a lot .
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Post by tealpaperowl on Dec 10, 2021 14:17:08 GMT
So happy he is safe and knew to ask for help. Big hugs to you as I know you are worried sick.
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Post by casii on Dec 10, 2021 14:36:34 GMT
I hope and pray he continues to not only sound good but be good. Being gay is not a mental illness anymore than being blonde or your height is a mental illness. It is who you/they were born to be.
Know this: If a person knows that their family and friends feel negatively towards THE GAY THING, they may seem okay, but they're never ever ever going to be okay. Unconditional love with NO conditions, rules, parameters are what they need in order to feel supported, to grow and to thrive. If their family doesn't love who they are, for who they are, they will always hold that rejection in their heart.
Even then, if someone has suicidal ideation, they may struggle short term or their entire lives with depression and they also need unconditional support there.
At some point, we should all hope that he finds himself connecting to a loving, joyful community who accepts him as he is. Sooner than later would be optimal.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Dec 10, 2021 14:44:36 GMT
I am so sorry he is struggling. It sounds like your daughter is a rock for him.
I have to admit that when I saw this post, I cringed though. I remember your feelings and views on a lot of things, and I’m concerned that although you care about him, you may be adding to his pain.
If you still feel being gay is a mental illness and hold views that are anything but supportive of LBGTQ people, I hope you stay on the periphery. Sometimes when we can’t be what someone needs, it’s better to give them space. That doesn’t mean abandon him/them, but if you can’t be 100% supportive, keep your mouth shut.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 10, 2021 15:48:16 GMT
I'm a bit in shock right now. My daughter told me about it tonight when I was visiting her. I love my grandson so much. We've been really concerned about him lately because he has asked to go to the hospital because of suicidal ideation, not being because of the gay thing. He was basically abandoned by his biological parents and it is tearing him up. My daughter was married to his father and said father left him with her. He's almost 14 and she has raised him since he was two years old. He's making friends at the psych hospital and seems to be ok at the moment. I’m very sorry to hear that he, and all of you, are going through this pain. Wishing him all the best. And welcome back to you. You were missed.
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Post by Just T on Dec 10, 2021 15:49:18 GMT
This is so horrifying and it's absolutely the reason I didn't respond yesterday. I have a transgender kid who has attempted suicide 4 times. I get exactly how scary that is. I feel for the OPs grandson. I hate that he's going through this. And I hate even more that his comfort people have spent their lives believing that being LGBTQ is a mental illness. It feels heartbreaking to me to think about what her grandson may have heard from his own family that may be affecting his ability to be supported by them. I cannot imagine what he would feel if he read these posts here. The OP and her beliefs might have contributed to his suicide attempt and it may sound petty, but I did not know how to offer her comfort when this is her perspective. I guess it was ok to feel this way when it was my kid, but suddenly it's yours and now you want comfort? After the horrible things you said which pierced the hearts of all of us who love LGBTQ kids? I will pray for her grandson. I will pray that he will be able to surround himself with people who truly love him for who he is. I will pray that his contact with people who think he's mentally ill for being gay is minimized. I will pray that their words and actions aren't the things that drive him to it. I feel so bad for this kid my heart breaks. I felt the same way, jeremysgirl. I tried to respond several times yesterday, but everyone was being so nice, and I didn't think I could be, so I just followed the whole "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" advice. When I first saw the OP, before there were any responses, I thought, "Oh, boy. She is going to get raked over the coals!" I was so surprised later to see how nice everyone was being given the hateful garbage she used to spew about libs and LGBTQ, etc. Honestly, rainbow, I can't believe you had the nerve to even post about this here. It is a classic case of people not caring about an issue until it affects them and their loved ones. I hope you are being truthful when you say you love your grandson no matter what. But I do wonder if he has grown up listening to your views on this. And what about your daughter? Has she been as staunch against the LGBTQ community as you have? If so, he has spent his life knowing that he is definitely NOT loved no matter what. I have two gay children. My son is very open about it, my daughter is not. She only came out to me almost 4 years ago (she is 26), but my parents still do not know not only that she is gay but that she had a girlfriend for 3 1/2 years. This is because she knows my parents views on gay people and everything else that is anti-choice. rainbow, I truly wish the best for your grandson. I also truly hope this situation with him has softened your heart towards things and people you may not understand and/or have personal experience with. I hope this makes you realize that things are not usually black and white.
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Post by MichyM on Dec 10, 2021 17:20:38 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. Thank you for this muggins. I’ll be 100% honest and thought that the OP was trolling us after everything she’s posted over the years. Not to mention saying “the gay thing” in her first post to this thread. I hope her grandchild gets all the family support that he needs.
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Post by gar on Dec 10, 2021 17:28:24 GMT
I too, hesitated in responding to this yesterday because of the "huh?" factor. Poor kid...despite the OP saying his suicidal thoughts aren't connected to 'the gay thing', how would you know? He's obviously grown up knowing the OP's opinion on gay people whilst knowing he was gay - it can't have helped.
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Post by beebee on Dec 10, 2021 18:10:20 GMT
I am so sorry. I am glad he is at the hospital getting help.
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Post by J u l e e on Dec 10, 2021 18:11:14 GMT
I too thought we were being trolled by the title or that there would be a link to an article in the OP schooling us. When I saw that it was a personal story I quietly backed out. Even now, this post is not addressing the OP, but to all my sisters here. I don’t ever want to hear another damn word about how this place is mean and awful. I will drag this thread around with me forever if I have to. The kindness shown to a poster who has hurt many people here with her words concerning their loved ones is overwhelming. And when the irony of the OP was finally posted, even those posts were written with kindness and concern. Respect, y’all.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 11, 2021 4:59:13 GMT
…and we have an opportunity to show him that we love him no matter what.
I’m sure you treasure the opportunity to show him that you love him. Full stop. If you telegraph to him that you “love him no matter what,” he may mistakenly conclude that you love him “even though” he’s gay (the descriptor you chose as most important to provide us), or that you love him “even though” he’s suicidal, or that you love him “even though” he’s not biologically yours. I wish this young man healing and peace…and the comforting knowledge within himself that he is loved fully for who he is. If I recall right, you have a daughter who’s partially sighted, who I’m sure also lives with the comfort of knowing she is loved fully for who she is.
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Rainbow
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Post by Rainbow on Dec 11, 2021 10:17:57 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. We are supporting him, this isn't political.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 11, 2021 11:33:22 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. We are supporting him, this isn't political.The beliefs that you have so stated here—grossly and adamantly-on this board, whether political or religious, are literally killing off LBGTQ children, teens, young adults, and adults. “The gay thing” “No matter what” Both are verbiage that indicates you still hold those gross beliefs—both religious and by supporting politicians who are trying to wipe LBGTQ off the face of the Earth are NOT supporting LBGTQ and more than likely, your “grandson” knows.
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Post by peace on Dec 11, 2021 17:31:18 GMT
We are supporting him, this isn't political. The beliefs that you have so stated here—grossly and adamantly-on this board, whether political or religious, are literally killing off LBGTQ children, teens, young adults, and adults. “The gay thing” “No matter what” Both are verbiage that indicates you still hold those gross beliefs—both religious and by supporting politicians who are trying to wipe LBGTQ off the face of the Earth are NOT supporting LBGTQ and more than likely, your “grandson” knows. And it IS political. You can't separate it. The politics that surround us and affect our laws make young (all) gay people feel very fearful for their safety. They see the way the right feels about them and the changes they attempting to make to take away their rights. I have personal experience and this directly affects MY child. We have been through the suicidal thoughts, medication, therapy, and lots of soul searching. He is terrified of what is going on right now in this country. He knows who supports him and who doesn't. And it isn't the same if you say one thing to their face and vote another way. They aren't stupid. They still carry that judgement on their shoulders no matter what you think.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Dec 11, 2021 17:42:48 GMT
And it IS political. You can't separate it. The politics that surround us and affect our laws make young (all) gay people feel very fearful for their safety. They see the way the right feels about them and the changes they attempting to make to take away their rights. I have personal experience and this directly affects MY child. We have been through the suicidal thoughts, medication, therapy, and lots of soul searching. He is terrified of what is going on right now in this country. He knows who supports him and who doesn't. And it isn't the same if you say one thing to their face and vote another way. They aren't stupid. They still carry that judgement on their shoulders no matter what you think. And it IS political. You can't separate it. The politics that surround us and affect our laws make young (all) gay people feel very fearful for their safety. They see the way the right feels about them and the changes they attempting to make to take away their rights. I have personal experience and this directly affects MY child. We have been through the suicidal thoughts, medication, therapy, and lots of soul searching. He is terrified of what is going on right now in this country. He knows who supports him and who doesn't. And it isn't the same if you say one thing to their face and vote another way. They aren't stupid. They still carry that judgement on their shoulders no matter what you think. Exactly yes to all of that. You can say all you want it's not political, but if you continue to vote for the party that wants to deny your grandson the rights everyone else has, it most certainly IS political. I've had this discussion with some of my right wing Christian family members, that I don't understand how they can continue to support a party who wants to deny basic rights to two of MY children, who they claim to love. You can't love someone but then vote for people who are against the very people they are. You just can't.
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Post by wellway on Dec 11, 2021 18:03:30 GMT
Political views and voting patterns in a country are about setting up a good social, economic system for all it's citizens. I'm going to guess that the laws in the US that will protect your grandson and his right to have an education, a job, a flat, a loan etc were mostly at the behest of the left side of the political spectrum. Can you hand on heart say those hard won rights won't be wound back by a very right wing party?
Do you know how many countries around the world would imprison or kill your grandson because of who he is? Just for existing.
Support means more than hugs and listening, it means not voting for people or parties that think he is less than just because he is gay.
There is no half way house here, you are either totally in his corner or not. He deserves nothing less than any and all opportunities available to your friend's straight grandson.
He needs to see and hear you stand up for him.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 11, 2021 19:58:44 GMT
rainbow /bunny I’m sorry your grandson is going through this and I’m glad he’s smart enough to get the professional help he needs. Perhaps it’s time to reevaluate your bullshit Qanon, conspiracy theory, right wing, gun advocating, trump supporting beliefs in order to fully support him. We are supporting him, this isn't political.Incorrect, it’s also personal, it always has been though. Incredibly personal to a lot of people on here, who you have hurt horribly over the years. That’s what you always failed to realize.I’m glad you’ve had that epiphany now, for your grandsons sake.
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