sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 23, 2021 16:50:38 GMT
If you’re talking living on top of each other, then it’s not so much population size, as it’s population density. New York, California, Florida and Texas all have highly urbanized populations - all above 85% urbanized. Thank you, that’s the word I was trying to come up with! I couldn’t think of the word so I substituted “living on top of each other.” Fibro sucks. NYC has highest pop density by far, followed by SF and I forget who. Add in the size of the city, and therefore numbers, it’s a recipe for disaster. 🙂 No problem. I’m used to pointing out the difference when I have people here reasoning that Australia’s lower population is why they did much better with Covid. Australia is 86% urbanized, which is actually more than a lot of countries (including the US), so their lower population isn’t really the reason.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 23, 2021 17:01:43 GMT
One person's Draconian is another's respect for scientific knowledge, prudent good sense and concern for the well-being of one's fellow man, something lost on those anti-vaxxers and idiotic rugged individualists in Texas. Yee-haw, losers! Rugged individualist. That’s the thing I learned - after a long life - was at the core of my individual-and-collective American identity only by reading it on this board. Yeehaw, indeed.
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Post by katlady on Dec 23, 2021 17:03:10 GMT
Let's break it down by state, shall we? CA - 64K deaths TX- 53K deaths FL - 39K deaths The only other state that has a high number is NY with 54K deaths. TX and FL are 2 of the top states for deaths. Please enlighten me as to how your state is doing a kick ass job of dealing with it? CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. California’s population is almost twice that of Florida. The number of deaths does not reflect that. Texas has almost 10 million less people than California, again, the close numbers don’t reflect that. California, based on that, should have way higher numbers of deaths, but they don’t. I wonder why that is?!
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Post by Merge on Dec 23, 2021 17:31:03 GMT
CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. California’s population is almost twice that of Florida. The number of deaths does not reflect that. Texas has almost 10 million less people than California, again, the close numbers don’t reflect that. California, based on that, should have way higher numbers of deaths, but they don’t. I wonder why that is?! And let’s keep in mind that NY bore the brunt of the really early deaths - before we even really knew what this was or how it spread. Before we had easy access to PPE. Their death rate came way down when they had a better understanding and started implementing those “draconian” measures.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 23, 2021 17:41:14 GMT
Let's break it down by state, shall we? CA - 64K deaths TX- 53K deaths FL - 39K deaths The only other state that has a high number is NY with 54K deaths. TX and FL are 2 of the top states for deaths. Please enlighten me as to how your state is doing a kick ass job of dealing with it? CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. As 12/16/2021. Number of deaths per 100,000 of population by state. linkFlorida ranks 43 with 289 deaths per 100,000 of population Pop. 21M Texas ranks 27 with 258 deaths per 100,000 of population. Pop 31M California ranks 18 with 191 deaths per 100,000 of population. Pop 39M So CA with the largest population has the least amount of deaths per 100,000 people of the three states in question. Doesn’t sound much like “kick ass” when it comes to Texas. Two points. 1. CA should be doing even better because we don’t have the idiots running TX & FL running CA. 2. These deaths are preventable especially now with the vaccines. I think people tend to forget that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 17:57:26 GMT
And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? Man. Some people suck at math, don't they? CA ~40MM TX ~30MM FL ~20MM Do you understand rates?
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Post by lucyg on Dec 23, 2021 19:55:23 GMT
Let's break it down by state, shall we? CA - 64K deaths TX- 53K deaths FL - 39K deaths The only other state that has a high number is NY with 54K deaths. TX and FL are 2 of the top states for deaths. Please enlighten me as to how your state is doing a kick ass job of dealing with it? CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. You. Cannot. Be. Serious. I’m lousy at math, and even I know that the only numbers that count are the numbers of deaths as a percentage of the population, not total deaths with no consideration given to total population. When you count the right way, California is in a much better position than Texas and Florida. Grasping at straws again.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Dec 23, 2021 20:05:25 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t she home school her kids? YIKES! Another generation of ignoramuses…but at least their clothes coordinate.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 20:21:10 GMT
Those states will always have higher numbers just because they have the most people living in them... A percentage based on how many people vs how many deaths would be more accurate... I am a Texan and for months and months I felt like the only person left who masked up.... now that I am vaccinated and boostered, i no longer wear a mask... now if i am positive with no symptoms and you get covid from me.. most likely that person is not vaccinated and boo fuckin hoo... you obviously dont care if you catch it...so rock on!! But i know our governor sucks and did not handle any of this correctly!!! I'm a texan and haven't taken my mask off since March 2020. Be careful about not wearing a mask. My friend had both vaccinations and a booster a month ago. Stopped wearing a mask. She is now sick with Omicron.
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Post by MissBianca on Dec 23, 2021 20:36:48 GMT
Too bad she didn't believe in her God to trust his wisdom who sent all the doctors and vaccines to protect her and us. He did provide for her! I keep going back to DH’s quote. “You must be an active participate in your own rescue.” She didn’t actively participate and she and her family have paid the ultimate price.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 23, 2021 21:02:00 GMT
CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. You. Cannot. Be. Serious. I’m lousy at math, and even I know that the only numbers that count are the numbers of deaths as a percentage of the population, not total deaths with no consideration given to total population. When you count the right way, California is in a much better position than Texas and Florida. Grasping at straws again. I see people just spouting the numbers not rates and constantly saying that Florida and Texas did so much better. I honestly think they are just repeating what they have heard that and I don’t think they want to hear different and even when given the facts they just repeat that they did better without masks or closures and just keep on talking and ignoring the facts. Remember that Florida has done everything to make their numbers look lower to. Armed personnel confiscating the computer of the woman posting the numbers. Living in California whenever masks are mentioned Florida and Texas are mentioned as doing so much better. Every time.
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Post by lbp on Dec 23, 2021 21:12:39 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t she home school her kids? YIKES! Another generation of ignoramuses…but at least their clothes coordinate. You can disagree with her without calling her children names. That is uncalled for.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 23, 2021 21:28:35 GMT
Pea rules. This will be a fascinating thread for posterity. Speaking of threads and posts that won't age well, I'd like to add this one for posterity: There have been NO deaths from omicron in the USA.
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scorpeao
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Post by scorpeao on Dec 24, 2021 15:06:32 GMT
California’s population is almost twice that of Florida. The number of deaths does not reflect that. Texas has almost 10 million less people than California, again, the close numbers don’t reflect that. California, based on that, should have way higher numbers of deaths, but they don’t. I wonder why that is?! And let’s keep in mind that NY bore the brunt of the really early deaths - before we even really knew what this was or how it spread. Before we had easy access to PPE. Their death rate came way down when they had a better understanding and started implementing those “draconian” measures. Why bother? She doesn't care about facts. She is set in her ways, and nobody is going to convince her otherwise. In case it's not clear...I'm referring to giving MyShelly facts.
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Post by kiera on Dec 24, 2021 17:10:51 GMT
We had a naval hospital ship come up to NYC. We had a field hospital in Central Park. We had refrigerated trucks throughout the boroughs because the morgues were full and the bodies needed to be stored. Families said goodbye to their dying loved ones over Facetime, on tablets held up by nurses and social workers as the patients died alone. That's if the patient's loved ones had the means to Facetime. The MTA, our transit company, is still dealing with staffing issues because so many bus drivers and train conductors DIED while doing their jobs because they did not have the right safety measures in place. This all happened last spring and summer, well before vaccines were available. PPE was very hard to get in the early days. People were dropping like flies, and if you were lucky and made it out of the hospital or weren't sick enough to go, you might still be dealing with lasting effects now - possibly for the rest of your life.
So yeah. There's a reason why New York took "Draconian" measures. It's very easy to look at the television and decide what's happening in other states. I can tell you firsthand that it was TERRIFYING to be in NYC in March/April 2020, especially for those of us who did not have jobs that could be done from home.
Sorry, but this shit pisses me off. It's not difficult to wear a damn mask and give a shit about the people around you. It truly is not. I will probably wear a mask on the subway forever. You know what's happened as a result of keeping one on? I have not had a cold in two years. Allergies still get me at times, but a head cold? Not one. I got the vaccine because I believe in science and medical professionals. I do actual peer-reviewed research. I understand that the only thing that will get us through this pandemic is putting politics to the side, taking our heads out of our asses, and helping each other instead of diving into an "every man for himself" situation. This whole experience reminds me of being the kid in school who did most of the group project while the others sat back and collected their A.
A global health crisis should never have politics tied to it, and yet here we are. I'm exhausted.
/rant
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Post by elaine on Dec 24, 2021 17:36:53 GMT
merry27, are you coming back? It has been a week since your last post and a huge number of people have responded to your question since that last post. Have you changed your mind at all? Do you still think that people who take reasonable precautions as recommended by the CDC and epidemiologists are “living in fear?” Do you have anything to say to all the people who have contributed to your thread?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 24, 2021 19:18:13 GMT
Let's break it down by state, shall we? CA - 64K deaths TX- 53K deaths FL - 39K deaths The only other state that has a high number is NY with 54K deaths. TX and FL are 2 of the top states for deaths. Please enlighten me as to how your state is doing a kick ass job of dealing with it? CA and NY took Draconian level precautions. And their deaths are just as high. So what good were those ridiculous measures? We don’t have the restrictions and still have less deaths. That seems pretty kick ass to me. Yes because it’s always a “kick-ass” celebratory moment at 54,000 deaths when temporary restrictions, masks, and vaccines could have that number much closer to zero. Add that you’re also selfish to being a fucking awful human.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 24, 2021 19:20:56 GMT
Who really gives a crap what the population to covid deaths ratios are? The fact is people are dying from something that they shouldn’t be dying from!
Way too many People died from a virus that can be mitigated or stopped by following accurate medical advice, science, temporary restrictions, masks and vaccines.
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Post by jinxmom2003 on Dec 25, 2021 3:21:40 GMT
I'm not in TX or FL but in GA with the same scenario. I haven't stayed home for any of this except when things were shut down initially. I go to work and deal with Covid every day so for me, it's not something terrifying. I have seen many many people die from it but I've also seen many people die from heart disease, etc. To me personally it's no longer scary like it was in Nov/Dec 2019 and we knew it was in China and only a question of time. I too hate that it's become so politicized but it is true that most people who are "terrified" are liberals, and this board is very liberal. They feel that it's because they're so much smarter and more educated than conservatives (again that is reflected here by some, and by many of my more liberal friends. While it may be true, it's also condescending and annoying and why some people dislike liberals). I'm fairly liberal but I'm also realistic about it all. We can't just wait it out, it's mutating constantly. Get vaxed, wear an N95, whatever you need to do but it's not going away. I do agree! I saw a study awhile back comparing FL and CA and how their response to Covid was completely different. Even though CA shut down, kept kids out of school and had mask mandates, Florida fared better in the end. I’ll try to find a link. But did FL actually do better? A lot of evidence that many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were not reported. Eventually excess death data will prove if this is true or not. DeSantis is way invested in minimizing the situation as he has political aspirations for president. Also personally invested in antibody treatments. Can’t sell those if people don’t get sick.
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