Just T
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Post by Just T on Dec 18, 2021 21:27:17 GMT
I think most of the peas are aware that different parts of the country responded to covid in significantly different ways. We recognize the rules in your area are different, your neighbors and community are not wearing masks, there are no rules requiring them in schools, restaurants etc. However, it's not just about rules, laws, government regulation etc. Most of us are also trying to make the point that you have the ability to choose to be responsible and wear masks, socialize outdoors, avoid crowded places etc. Most of the peas are making those choices because we care about our communities and because we're concerned about overloading the health care system, regardless of the rules or laws. You've made your choices clear and obviously there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind. I hope that works out for you. I also live in a state and county with zero restrictions. In my state, whenever a city or county or school district has tried to mandate anything, our state's attorney general sues them to stop it. But I still wear a mask and do what I can to live within this community while still trying to protect myself and others.
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Post by putabuttononit on Dec 18, 2021 21:34:54 GMT
It doesn’t take over our lives here in Alaska either. I don’t completely ignore it (I opt out of some large social gatherings but I actually like having an excuse!). There’s no masks except schools, and of course people working wear them at various places.
I decided it took over our lives long enough. I’ve lost people I love and it’s real and it’s scary. I won’t let it dictate my life though.
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Post by catmom on Dec 18, 2021 21:43:46 GMT
I know Covid is unfortunately political and a lot of factors play in to what state you live in. I live in TX and we basically never shut down. Our kids returned to school in the Fall of 2020 and we haven’t had any mask mandates. My family is from Florida so I also spend as much time there as I can. Aside from a few months in early 2020, Florida has been business as usual. Most people I know are vaxxed. Very few wear masks and we are back to living our lives for the most part. I really don’t give Covid too much thought or worry about it until I am on here. So many are terrified and missing out on life. I know a lot of people are immuno compromised and have to watch out for other family members (and I get that) but for those of you that are fully vaxxed and can wear a mask, I guess I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to get back to normal. In my opinion, some form of Covid is here to stay and we can’t stay locked up forever. I do understand that a lot of it depends on where you live and your local government. My elderly parents are in Florida and at first I was pissed that DeSantis wasn’t doing anything. But now I kind of get it and am also glad how our government in TX handled everything. My husbands family is in CA and they have been terrified this whole time. Their kids never went back to school last year and many are still working from home. They think we are crazy for living our lives and not being terrified. I decided awhile back that my mental health was suffering and I needed to resume my normal activities (once I was fully vaxxed). I am just wondering if I am in the minority or if others feel the same way. Ultimately, I feel like everyone has to do what’s best for them but I refuse to live in fear any longer. I’m particularly interested in hearing from others who live in TX and FL. If I ignore the Texas/Florida aspect, it's a fair discussion to have, though more nuanced than is realistic these days. Outside of the U.S., this is a worldwide issue with many countries being more conservative in their approach to Covid than much of the US (and Florida and Texas in particular) and I think living in an area where you don't trust that your neighbours are vaccinated and/or masked would make one much more anxious. I don't "live in fear" because I know that 85% of my community is fully vaccinated, that there are clear rules that only vaccinated people can go into restaurants, theatres, sporting events, gyms etc, and that masks are always required indoors. With that knowledge I've had very little "fear" and have been happily going about my life feeling like I've done what I can to keep my neighbours safe. Until Omicron, which appears to be a game changer and I'm now reassessing risk, cancelling some events we had previously agreed to. Because new information requires reassessment and adaptation. And each new variant is causing us to consciously surface the risk and re-examine it in a way we don't usually do. Like I don't normally think, how do I feel about left-hand turns or highway driving today or flying on a plane today. I've made those decisions long ago and behave according to the risk I'm comfortable with, without having to consciously think about it. I think part of the issue overall is that we don't know if these are temporary measures or if we will have to live with Covid (and in what form) forever. So do we need to make permanent adaptations or just ride it out? And have we adapted enough? Will we need to keep adapting our behaviour? It's tough when there isn't complete information for us to make the call on what is 'enough'. It is odd to me that some feel that because Covid will be around forever that we should abandon current precautions and live a pre-Covid lifestyle. That would be like saying "Now that I realize AIDS will be here forever instead of just a couple years, I'm not wearing a condom anymore because I don't want to live in fear". Or "We're 2 years out from 9/11, so I'm going through security with as much liquids as I want!". Or "I have to wear a seatbelt every time?! And I can never drive drunk?! Like not ever? This is stupid I'm not living in fear". As the world changes or we learn more about what can kill us, we adapt our behaviour and evolve. It's how we have survived so long as a species. My point being, if this is a long term issue we would be better to accept that the world has changed (for the much much worse) and allow our brains to do hedonic adaptation and just adapt our behaviours instead of continually fighting it.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 18, 2021 21:52:31 GMT
I'm confused, are we supposed to take reasonable precautions and live our lives or are we supposed to pretend Covid doesn't exist anymore or are we supposed to lock ourselves in our homes and never interact with other human beings again? In your complaint about handslapping, which "lack of self-awareness" people are you actually handslapping yourself? Unvaxxed, vaxxed, boosted, previously had covid, never had covid...it's fair game for who can and is catching this, and also who spreads it. The at-home tests aren't completely accurate either. I've long felt we need to learn to live with this. It's not reasonable to think that people will never travel, see family, go to work in an office, attend sporting events, concerts, etc. I get it. People are sick of this. However, many here like to point out what others are doing "wrong" and then give themselves a pass.
Isn’t this basically what you are doing? Aren’t you a trump supporter who has discounted the impact of Covid from the beginning? It’s pretty hypocritical of you to now be hand slapping people who have taken the virus seriously and most likely missed out on holidays with family last year, but feel that this year the risk is worth it to them. So, tell us, who are you spending the holidays with? Who did you spend them with over the last two years?
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Post by sunshine on Dec 18, 2021 22:02:11 GMT
Unvaxxed, vaxxed, boosted, previously had covid, never had covid...it's fair game for who can and is catching this, and also who spreads it. The at-home tests aren't completely accurate either. I've long felt we need to learn to live with this. It's not reasonable to think that people will never travel, see family, go to work in an office, attend sporting events, concerts, etc. I get it. People are sick of this. However, many here like to point out what others are doing "wrong" and then give themselves a pass.
FFS the difference is the likelihood of ending up in the hospital or dead. Why are people so fucking dense. Get the goddamn shot and stop pretending your choice to not is the same as someone vaccinated that caught covid - IT'S NOT THE SAME! Well hot damn, thanks for the tip! But...I've been vaxxed. Team Moderna!
If you're not someone living your life while criticizing others for living their life, my comment doesn't apply to you.
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Post by sunshine on Dec 18, 2021 22:20:43 GMT
Unvaxxed, vaxxed, boosted, previously had covid, never had covid...it's fair game for who can and is catching this, and also who spreads it. The at-home tests aren't completely accurate either. I've long felt we need to learn to live with this. It's not reasonable to think that people will never travel, see family, go to work in an office, attend sporting events, concerts, etc. I get it. People are sick of this. However, many here like to point out what others are doing "wrong" and then give themselves a pass.
Isn’t this basically what you are doing? Aren’t you a trump supporter who has discounted the impact of Covid from the beginning? It’s pretty hypocritical of you to now be hand slapping people who have taken the virus seriously and most likely missed out on holidays with family last year, but feel that this year the risk is worth it to them. So, tell us, who are you spending the holidays with? Who did you spend them with over the last two years? You've got me confused with somebody else lady. I'm vaxxed. Never, NOT ONCE, have I discounted the seriousness of Covid. Ever. I've taken this seriously since day one. We didn't see family last year. We waited until summer of this year to have family over, outside. We saw family, last weekend, outside, to give them their presents. We chose not to host the 15-20 we usually do (2 years in a row now) because the new cases have risen huge since Thanksgiving. It was predicted that would happen and it did, because people had large gatherings in their homes. And it's going to get worse after Christmas and New Year.
People are free to do as they wish. I'm not suggesting everyone should do as we do. However, there are a lot of people that like to criticize some for what they believe isn't acceptable during a pandemic while ignoring their own choices might, just maybe, contribute to what's going on.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Dec 18, 2021 23:07:41 GMT
I don't know what I would call myself, honestly. I wouldn't call myself "living in fear." But I do feel like I am respectfully cautious of COVID. I've curbed some activities - ie, I won't go to church bc from what I can see on the live stream, very few are wearing masks. My office has not cleared me to work onsite, so I am still home, but I see it as doing our part to keep people less exposed and hopefully that means less chance to burden our health care people. I wear masks when I go indoors shopping, because I have no idea if people are vaxxed or not but if it helps protect me from getting sick, even if it's a cold, I'm game. If it helps protect the spread to someone else, that's fine too, but now, I'm wearing the mask for ME. I truly have zero sympathy for those who do not get the vaccine and get sick, and I hate that I feel that way about humanity. I'm in MD. I'm triple vaxxed and my kids are scheduled to get boosters next week. DD just came home from college today - the University of Maryland has closed the dining halls to be carry out only, most exams have been moved online. The school cancelled their winter graduation ceremony jut days before it was supposed to occur. I saw an article yesterday that PG county public schools (where the school is located) will remain virtual through MLK in January. I don't think we will ever see lockdowns/shut downs like we did before, but I really hope, esp for DD, that they can go back to school. They take precautions- UMD required vaccinations AND they have to wear masks in all buildings (except dorms), so I think these kids deserve to have a somewhat normal experience, esp if they are doing the right thing (vaxxing, wearing masks, social distancing, etc). DS is in high school, and also on winter break. I know he would do ok if they moved online, but seriously, my kids thrive when they are in a traditional school setting. I truly appreciate all teachers, and all health care workers, going in every day going up against God knows what.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 18, 2021 23:31:06 GMT
I work in healthcare. In Physical therapy. I see pts in isolation in the COVID unit, and also when they come out of isolation an on to the medical floor. I have also seen the long haulers when they've been readmitted with life long effects. Do I live in fear? no. Do I live with respect of what COVID can do? yes. I have seen many many pt's die this yr from COVID. This is not the flu. The area I live in had one of the highest cases a few wks ago in the nation. I live in a red area. It's disappointing and frustrating. I don't get how they can also not get the vaccine, yet get the antibody treatment once they have it. HOw can they trust THAT? and not a vaccine developed at the same time? Someone else mentioned this on another thread on here, and people handslapped her for thinking that. But it's true. I've had COVID. It was a direct pt exposure. I'm vaccinated. There was 5 of us with direct traceable exposure, 2 of the 5 died. Those 2 were not vaccinated. People who say it doesn't matter in their lives, or are living their life unchanged, or unaffected either live in a clueless bubble, or just plain ignorant of what's really going on in the world. I don't live in fear. I take precautions. We went to the state fair this yr. We were all vaccinated. We wore masks inside, we brought hand sanitizer and wipes. None of us got sick. That's not living in fear. That's living smart.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 19, 2021 0:09:43 GMT
It’s not affecting you because TX has NO MITIGATION. ( and you aren’t concerned for other people ). We should be wearing a mask in stores and populated areas, and only attending large events where masks/negative test/vaccinations are required to keep ourselves and others safe. You aren’t because it’s not REQUIRED, regardless of what’s happening with the virus. Some parts of Texas have or have had mitigation. Dallas County - next door to our friend here who supposedly never sees anyone in a mask - still has a mask mandate as far as I know. I see lots of people wearing masks here in Harris County. Fact is we all tend to hang around with and go places where there are people who think like us. And we see what we want to see. It’s a form of confirmation bias. I’m in Dallas County multiple times a week as my dad, MIL, and sister live there. I can assure you there’s not a mandate and that no one is enforcing or wearing masks there.
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Gennifer
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 19, 2021 0:18:36 GMT
I freaking love swimming with sharks 🤣 We’ve done it multiple times. Are you in a cage? Because I really think you should stop living in fear and just swim freely with them. Life isn’t worth living otherwise.
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Post by leslie132 on Dec 19, 2021 0:28:46 GMT
I never said a name to the pea who is self absorbed. The fact that you think it’s you speaks volumes. It is you…..but I never said it. “Never said anything negative” is apart of your reply. . Please. Just because you throw a Y’all in front of a sentence doesn’t take the jab out of your words. I will say this……. I never share harsh words. To some these words aren’t harsh, they are just my opinion clearly stated. I didn’t like posting it, but the way you so callously said we are all going to die just pushed me past a point that I had to reply. Death is natural, nothing about Covid is. It hits everyone differently, I’m glad that you haven’t been touched by it in a way that effects you. Maybe you need to sit back and give those people it did effect just a smidgen of grace. Y’all know it won’t kill you to be sympathetic. What have I ever said that was negative about people who want to get vaxed themselves? My reply about you being negative is solely based on the little comments you threw out after you started on what your situation is in Texas. It bothers me that areas don’t take this as serious as it should be, but I can’t waste my energy on that because I can’t change that fact. I don’t waste energy engaging on social media pages either, as it’s a waste of energy, as well when it comes to this subject.. Your comment on what your area is doing didn’t bother me in the slightest. It was the snide comment that “everyone dies”. Of course that is correct, we will all die as it’s the circle of life, but in a time when people are losing loved ones, and the health field is battling to save patients from a Covid death comments like yours bring little to the table. All it brings is more divide on a subject that is divided enough. Nothing I say will sway you, and nothing you say will make your comments more tolerable so I’m going to stop here.
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jeanninem
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Post by jeanninem on Dec 19, 2021 0:49:20 GMT
One simple question for the respondents who said they aren't letting Covid dictate their lives, that they have moved on and don't even think about it. If you or a loved one became sick with Covid would you seek medical care?
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 19, 2021 0:49:29 GMT
I think most of the peas are aware that different parts of the country responded to covid in significantly different ways. We recognize the rules in your area are different, your neighbors and community are not wearing masks, there are no rules requiring them in schools, restaurants etc. However, it's not just about rules, laws, government regulation etc. Most of us are also trying to make the point that you have the ability to choose to be responsible and wear masks, socialize outdoors, avoid crowded places etc. Most of the peas are making those choices because we care about our communities and because we're concerned about overloading the health care system, regardless of the rules or laws. You've made your choices clear and obviously there's nothing anyone can say to change your mind. I hope that works out for you. I also live in a state and county with zero restrictions. In my state, whenever a city or county or school district has tried to mandate anything, our state's attorney general sues them to stop it. But I still wear a mask and do what I can to live within this community while still trying to protect myself and others. Yes, this exactly. We have a Republican governor, he was one of the last ones to have a mask mandate from late November 2020- March 2021. He prevented universities from requiring vaccines. K-12 schools all made individual decisions regarding masks. Some stores have a face masks recommended sign but that's it. However, my family still wears masks and will continue, regardless of what the governor does. Our state has a spike in cases and hospitals are overwhelmed. Emergency protocols were put in a place at a local ER, prioritizing patients because they're overloaded. The governor activated national guard troops to help hospitals. And that is exactly why my family is taking precautions to help stop the spread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 0:55:38 GMT
I live in FL. It's been sheer hell to deal with Covid down here while getting less than no support from the government. It's been an absurd fuckup!!! My husband had cancer, went thru chemo for both cancers and had major surgery. Each step was frightening because his immune system was so very dangerous. That meant that DD33 and I were VERY scared to even come in contact with any human being. We were frightened to go to Publix, to the doctor, anywhere!!!!!!!!!!!
You talk about FL as though it's a good thing to have been in denial or defiance about Covid. It's been HORRIBLE!!!!!!! Think about how many compromised people there are living here (not just the elderly). Well, their families ALL have to be careful not to carry it to the compromised person. When we walked into Publix (couldn't order food since we're on Foodstamps), we feared every single person refusing to wear masks. We feared every person coughing. We feared every person even touching anything or not keeping their distance. So, in my opinion, Fl has been a minefield of sheer hell.
Since Covid began, we haven't really seen too many people wearing masks (even when suggested or required). Nope. Not here. It made going to our mailbox that much more frightening. It made throwing our garbage out that much more dangerous. DD and I had a routine--we ALWAYS wore our masks. We always washed our hands. WE'd change clothes and wash them if we went out. We tried to keep DH as safe as we could! Unfortunately, DH passed away 3 weeks ago.
We thought we could begin skipping our safety routine, but then we began hearing more about Omicron. We decided to keep up with our routine since most people in this area are negligent and they don't believe in being careful. I look at it as though EVERYONE here is a danger and we're just being careful. If this is how it is forever, then we're doing all we can for our own safety, especially in a place where people don't seem to care about their own safety. (I can't tell you how many people with those types of outlooks have died from Covid in the past year down here. They didn't think it could happen to them. No one was going to interfere with their 'freedom'. Well, they put everyone else at risk AND they suffered for it too. If that won't change then I do think that we will have to continue being as careful and safe as we could be here.)
Does that answer your FL question??? It's enough to say that *I* feel safer being careful. I don't have to have a reason. That's MY freedom.
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goldengirl
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Post by goldengirl on Dec 19, 2021 0:56:22 GMT
I know Covid is unfortunately political and a lot of factors play in to what state you live in. I live in TX and we basically never shut down. Our kids returned to school in the Fall of 2020 and we haven’t had any mask mandates. My family is from Florida so I also spend as much time there as I can. Aside from a few months in early 2020, Florida has been business as usual. Most people I know are vaxxed. Very few wear masks and we are back to living our lives for the most part. I really don’t give Covid too much thought or worry about it until I am on here. So many are terrified and missing out on life. I know a lot of people are immuno compromised and have to watch out for other family members (and I get that) but for those of you that are fully vaxxed and can wear a mask, I guess I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to get back to normal. In my opinion, some form of Covid is here to stay and we can’t stay locked up forever. I do understand that a lot of it depends on where you live and your local government. My elderly parents are in Florida and at first I was pissed that DeSantis wasn’t doing anything. But now I kind of get it and am also glad how our government in TX handled everything. My husbands family is in CA and they have been terrified this whole time. Their kids never went back to school last year and many are still working from home. They think we are crazy for living our lives and not being terrified. I decided awhile back that my mental health was suffering and I needed to resume my normal activities (once I was fully vaxxed). I am just wondering if I am in the minority or if others feel the same way. Ultimately, I feel like everyone has to do what’s best for them but I refuse to live in fear any longer. I’m particularly interested in hearing from others who live in TX and FL.
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goldengirl
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Post by goldengirl on Dec 19, 2021 0:56:46 GMT
I know Covid is unfortunately political and a lot of factors play in to what state you live in. I live in TX and we basically never shut down. Our kids returned to school in the Fall of 2020 and we haven’t had any mask mandates. My family is from Florida so I also spend as much time there as I can. Aside from a few months in early 2020, Florida has been business as usual. Most people I know are vaxxed. Very few wear masks and we are back to living our lives for the most part. I really don’t give Covid too much thought or worry about it until I am on here. So many are terrified and missing out on life. I know a lot of people are immuno compromised and have to watch out for other family members (and I get that) but for those of you that are fully vaxxed and can wear a mask, I guess I don’t understand why people are so hesitant to get back to normal. In my opinion, some form of Covid is here to stay and we can’t stay locked up forever. I do understand that a lot of it depends on where you live and your local government. My elderly parents are in Florida and at first I was pissed that DeSantis wasn’t doing anything. But now I kind of get it and am also glad how our government in TX handled everything. My husbands family is in CA and they have been terrified this whole time. Their kids never went back to school last year and many are still working from home. They think we are crazy for living our lives and not being terrified. I decided awhile back that my mental health was suffering and I needed to resume my normal activities (once I was fully vaxxed). I am just wondering if I am in the minority or if others feel the same way. Ultimately, I feel like everyone has to do what’s best for them but I refuse to live in fear any longer. I’m particularly interested in hearing from others who live in TX and FL.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 19, 2021 1:00:42 GMT
Since reading this thread all I can think about is the phrase "living in fear." Like, that's the WORST POSSIBLE THING you could be doing. So many people are responding with all the ways they're NOT "living in fear." Why? Why would that be such a bad thing? You're GD right I'm afraid of Covid. I don't want any part of it. I've read about what it does to the body, and the awful suffering it causes. Of course I'm terrified of dying from it, but I'm equally scared of surviving and having to deal with long term symptoms. Covid is scary as hell and you betcha. I am afraid of catching it or bringing it home to my family. So freaking what? Maybe if more people felt the way I do, we would already be at a reasonable level of herd immunity and it wouldn't still be impacting our daily lives so much. I am triple vaxxed and my family is at the max number of vaccinations they can have for their respective ages. I am so thankful I live in a state that has treated Covid as real and dangerous this entire time. Our schools have a 100% mask mandate (I work in a school and have 2 kids) and all of our public transportation also requires a mask (DH rides the train into the city every day.) I've worn a mask indoors 100% of the time in public spaces. Last night I went to a family Christmas party and didn't do hugs because I didn't know the status of everyone there and nobody tested first. I wear a mask outdoors when I'm in a crowd of people (like, school pick up for my youngest). I've only eaten at a restaurant maybe 3-4 times and was uncomfortable pretty much the entire time. I am not ready to go back to movie theaters or anything like that. HELL YES I'M AFRAID. Covid looks like it suuuuuuucks. If you want to judge me for "living in fear," have at it. Think whatever you want. As a family we've adapted to the fact that we're in the middle of a global pandemic and that's just how it is. Our life looks a little different than it did 2 years ago, but we are doing just fine. And again, I can't help but think that if more people were willing to "live in fear" this whole thing would be over (or more manageable) MUCH sooner. You’ve articulated what I had been musing about the last several hours (while cleaning my journeying kids’ bedrooms!). I bristle at the “living in fear” accusation because of the hyperbole. It implies an unreasonable level of weakness and submission; an abandonment of reason. But after posting, I kept thinking, “I AM afraid of Covid. How does one admit that while denying the implied obsession with fear?” You’ve done a good job; we could benefit from more fear and less Covid nonchalance (or scorn). I’m afraid of a lot of things. If I listed them, there’d be a lot of head-nodding. Covid is on the list. Fear doesn’t mean capitulation. We evaluate risk…chance. Control what we can. Avoid what we can. Risk what we must. Protect as many as we should. I don’t know what the opposite of fear is but it’s sure not bravery. They coexist out of necessity. Bravery and fear. Strength and hesitation. Wisdom and risk. So, my kids return tonight from the other side of the country after a 2020 Christmas missed. I am delighted, grateful, excited. In spades…in “I love you from here to the moon” heaps. But I’m also a tad anxious. And a little afraid. (And…this just in: their connecting flight has been delayed five hours. )
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goldengirl
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Post by goldengirl on Dec 19, 2021 1:01:16 GMT
Terrified? That’s language that doesn’t describe it. People aren’t terrified. They are cautious. Humans adapt to new situations as a need. At least some of us do. Things have changed and we may need to do things a bit differently but that’s how we care for the human race. However, it shows that some people want zero to do with making any change in their lives. (Climate change, homelessness, gun laws). Whatever it may be, the real fear is not of COVID. It’s change. So no need to blame those who have adapted. It’s all in the people who are unwilling to. Selfishness has shown it’s lovely face throughout this whole thing and other worldly problems.
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 19, 2021 1:02:39 GMT
I'm just so tired.
I live in a blessedly blue state, in a county that's highly vaccinated, and we have mask mandates and required vaccinations (or weekly testing) for school staff.
It's still exhausting.
Up until the recent surge, I started to venture out. I am vaccinated and boosted. I mask up, but would very infrequently go to a restaurant (off-peak, preferably outdoors, and only with 1-2 vaxxed and boosted friends or family). I went to live theatre (vaccination/test and mask required). I went to the gym (wore a mask). I went shopping, masked.
Now with the surge and variant, and out of caution for my immunocompromised/COPD-diagnosed dad, I've scaled way back on all of it in prep for holiday.
There were so many failings in how this was handled, but I can only control myself. I will do as much as I can to keep me and my family safe, will feel no guilt or shame about it (regardless if some internet stranger thinks I'm "living in fear) and I am frankly OUT of compassion for those who choose to forego mitigation strategies like vaccination and masking and wind up getting sick or dying. I'm out of it. My field of fucks to give is barren. Whatever happens, happens. Good luck, godspeed, go fuck yourselves.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 19, 2021 1:06:20 GMT
Some parts of Texas have or have had mitigation. Dallas County - next door to our friend here who supposedly never sees anyone in a mask - still has a mask mandate as far as I know. I see lots of people wearing masks here in Harris County. Fact is we all tend to hang around with and go places where there are people who think like us. And we see what we want to see. It’s a form of confirmation bias. I’m in Dallas County multiple times a week as my dad, MIL, and sister live there. I can assure you there’s not a mandate and that no one is enforcing or wearing masks there. As always, your omniscience - in Dallas County and 25 states, and as a spokesperson for the country - will be viewed with skepticism.
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Post by tinydogmafia on Dec 19, 2021 1:14:33 GMT
I just want to say a big thank you to everyone who has supported me on this thread whether you agree with me or not.
There have been some really hard days for me, my coworkers, and for my family over the last few months. Directly and indirectly related to Covid. I've lived through some nightmarish things in my life but nothing prepared me for the constant stress of this pandemic plus my SO battling cancer.
I don't want to say that I live in fear, but I do worry that if I bring home Covid and something should happen to him, I'll never recover from the guilt. Never. And that is very heavy. My entire career is based on trying to mitigate infections. And if I can't protect him, well I guess I'm failing.
That's the fear. And that's my heart on my sleeve tonight ladies.
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Post by sideways on Dec 19, 2021 1:17:28 GMT
When did wearing a mask mean you are living in fear. That's a huge Republican phrase/talking point. It drives me nuts when people act like those who wear masks are idiots. Someone told me in the grocery store a few weeks ago that I need to take my mask off and stop watching CNN. I looked him right in the eye and asked him why he cared, how did my wearing a mask have anything to do with him. You could do like I did when someone said something similar to me. I told him, “Ok. I’ll take off my mask, even though my son is home sick with symptoms that could be covid or the flu.” I reached up to unhook my mask off my ear and the guy just quickly walked away from me. My son wasn’t sick at the time, but he had been a few weeks earlier with what turned out not to be covid.
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Post by sideways on Dec 19, 2021 1:22:19 GMT
I freaking love swimming with sharks 🤣 We’ve done it multiple times. There’s huge stretches of highway in my state where the legal speed limit is 85 mph, so I find myself going 100 without even realizing it. I just thought it was funny that the things you picked to be extreme examples happen to be things I do as well. I’m guessing there’s a Darwin Award in your future.
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 1:23:38 GMT
Since reading this thread all I can think about is the phrase "living in fear." Like, that's the WORST POSSIBLE THING you could be doing. So many people are responding with all the ways they're NOT "living in fear." Why? Why would that be such a bad thing? You're GD right I'm afraid of Covid. I don't want any part of it. I've read about what it does to the body, and the awful suffering it causes. Of course I'm terrified of dying from it, but I'm equally scared of surviving and having to deal with long term symptoms. Covid is scary as hell and you betcha. I am afraid of catching it or bringing it home to my family. So freaking what? Maybe if more people felt the way I do, we would already be at a reasonable level of herd immunity and it wouldn't still be impacting our daily lives so much. I am triple vaxxed and my family is at the max number of vaccinations they can have for their respective ages. I am so thankful I live in a state that has treated Covid as real and dangerous this entire time. Our schools have a 100% mask mandate (I work in a school and have 2 kids) and all of our public transportation also requires a mask (DH rides the train into the city every day.) I've worn a mask indoors 100% of the time in public spaces. Last night I went to a family Christmas party and didn't do hugs because I didn't know the status of everyone there and nobody tested first. I wear a mask outdoors when I'm in a crowd of people (like, school pick up for my youngest). I've only eaten at a restaurant maybe 3-4 times and was uncomfortable pretty much the entire time. I am not ready to go back to movie theaters or anything like that. HELL YES I'M AFRAID. Covid looks like it suuuuuuucks. If you want to judge me for "living in fear," have at it. Think whatever you want. As a family we've adapted to the fact that we're in the middle of a global pandemic and that's just how it is. Our life looks a little different than it did 2 years ago, but we are doing just fine. And again, I can't help but think that if more people were willing to "live in fear" this whole thing would be over (or more manageable) MUCH sooner. You’ve articulated what I had been musing about the last several hours (while cleaning my journeying kids’ bedrooms!). I bristle at the “living in fear” accusation because of the hyperbole. It implies an unreasonable level of weakness and submission; an abandonment of reason. But after posting, I kept thinking, “I AM afraid of Covid. How does one admit that while denying the implied obsession with fear?” You’ve done a good job; we could benefit from more fear and less Covid nonchalance (or scorn). I’m afraid of a lot of things. If I listed them, there’d be a lot of head-nodding. Covid is on the list. Fear doesn’t mean capitulation. We evaluate risk…chance. Control what we can. Avoid what we can. Risk what we must. Protect as many as we should. I don’t know what the opposite of fear is but it’s sure not bravery. They coexist out of necessity. Bravery and fear. Strength and hesitation. Wisdom and risk. So, my kids return tonight from the other side of the country after a 2020 Christmas missed. I am delighted, grateful, excited. In spades…in “I love you from here to the moon” heaps. But I’m also a tad anxious. And a little afraid. (And…this just in: their connecting flight has been delayed five hours. ) I’ve had cancer. And I faced it and the horrific treatment and lifelong side effects that I have to live/suffer with until my last breath with a modicum bravery (and a lot of crying and worrying). Do I fear cancer? YES!!! Do I do what I can to minimize risk of it recurring? HELL YES!!! I have an infusion next week of a drug to help keep it at bay. Do I freaking hate that my feet kill me and that I will never have sensation in most of my toes due to cancer treatment? Another, hell yes. And my cancer was clearly less fatal than COVID has been to 5+ million people worldwide over a span of only 20 months. People shouldn’t confuse ignorance and denial with bravery. One involves knowing and facing the potentially deadly consequences of a disease and its treatments, the other involves blithely denying the real risks and consequences of contracting a deadly disease, while shaming people who do their best to avoid it.
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Post by SockMonkey on Dec 19, 2021 1:25:02 GMT
Imagine getting on Al Gore's internet and bragging about excessive speeding and refusing health mitigations like it's a badge of honor.
TBH, don't eat anything from this person's kitchen, ever. Seems like a non-hand washer.
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Post by cindosha on Dec 19, 2021 1:39:30 GMT
When did wearing a mask mean you are living in fear. That's a huge Republican phrase/talking point. It drives me nuts when people act like those who wear masks are idiots. Someone told me in the grocery store a few weeks ago that I need to take my mask off and stop watching CNN. I looked him right in the eye and asked him why he cared, how did my wearing a mask have anything to do with him. It drives me nuts when people act like those who DON’T wear masks are idiots. If you are masked and vaxxed, you are protected. If you tell me that’s not true then the vaccines and masking mean nothing.
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 1:58:58 GMT
It drives me nuts when people act like those who wear masks are idiots. Someone told me in the grocery store a few weeks ago that I need to take my mask off and stop watching CNN. I looked him right in the eye and asked him why he cared, how did my wearing a mask have anything to do with him. It drives me nuts when people act like those who DON’T wear masks are idiots. If you are masked and vaxxed, you are protected. If you tell me that’s not true then the vaccines and masking mean nothing. You wearing a mask doesn’t protect YOU from GETTING infected, it protects OTHERS from getting infected BY YOU if you are carrying the virus. Please don’t tell me that after 20 months you don’t understand how this works. It has been presented over and over and over again. So, yes, people who don’t mask evidently don’t understand basic information that has been public for over a year (you draw conclusions about their intelligence given that fact), and they are also selfish.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 19, 2021 2:05:13 GMT
It drives me nuts when people act like those who wear masks are idiots. Someone told me in the grocery store a few weeks ago that I need to take my mask off and stop watching CNN. I looked him right in the eye and asked him why he cared, how did my wearing a mask have anything to do with him. It drives me nuts when people act like those who DON’T wear masks are idiots. If you are masked and vaxxed, you are protected. If you tell me that’s not true then the vaccines and masking mean nothing. Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish.
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Post by cindosha on Dec 19, 2021 2:06:01 GMT
It drives me nuts when people act like those who DON’T wear masks are idiots. If you are masked and vaxxed, you are protected. If you tell me that’s not true then the vaccines and masking mean nothing. You wearing a mask doesn’t protect YOU from GETTING infected, it protects OTHERS from getting infected by YOU if you are carrying the virus. Please don’t tell me that after 20 months you don’t understand how this works. It has been presented over and over and over again. So, yes, people who don’t mask evidently don’t understand basic information that has been public for over a year (you draw conclusions about their intelligence given that fact), and they are also selfish. I completely understand how it works. If YOU are wearing a mask YOU are protected from others. That’s what you just said.
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Post by cindosha on Dec 19, 2021 2:08:27 GMT
It drives me nuts when people act like those who DON’T wear masks are idiots. If you are masked and vaxxed, you are protected. If you tell me that’s not true then the vaccines and masking mean nothing. Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus???
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