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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 19, 2021 2:14:09 GMT
Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? You are being deliberately obtuse. You know that masks don’t work alone to stop Covid. And all masks are not created equal. Some work better than others. There is no guarantee that any of us won’t get sick. But we can take steps to lessen our chances. What is it about wearing a mask that bothers you? |
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 2:14:33 GMT
You wearing a mask doesn’t protect YOU from GETTING infected, it protects OTHERS from getting infected by YOU if you are carrying the virus. Please don’t tell me that after 20 months you don’t understand how this works. It has been presented over and over and over again. So, yes, people who don’t mask evidently don’t understand basic information that has been public for over a year (you draw conclusions about their intelligence given that fact), and they are also selfish. I completely understand how it works. If YOU are wearing a mask YOU are protected from others. That’s what you just said. No, that is definitely NOT what I said. If I wear a mask and have COVID, you are protected from getting COVID from me. If I am masked and you have COVID and you choose to NOT mask, I am NOT protected from getting COVID from you and am at high risk of contracting it depending on how close we were for how much time. My masking does little-to-nothing to protect me from your COVID.My masking has much to do about protecting YOU (and others) from contracting COVID from me. Do you really honestly truly not understand that? You can’t really be that willfully obtuse, can you? Evidently, you haven’t learned much of importance from all the media coverage about masking over the past year-plus. |
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 2:15:32 GMT
Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? No, they protect people from GIVING/SPREADING the virus. You are the poster-child for not understanding the basics of masking. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Dec 19, 2021 2:17:27 GMT
Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? They don’t prevent all people from getting the virus. They do cut down on the number of people who get it and help stop some people from spreading it. Like condoms do not prevent 100% of pregnancies, they may not be 100% effective but still worth any help in transmission and contraction that they give. |
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Post by jeanninem on Dec 19, 2021 2:17:32 GMT
You wearing a mask doesn’t protect YOU from GETTING infected, it protects OTHERS from getting infected by YOU if you are carrying the virus. Please don’t tell me that after 20 months you don’t understand how this works. It has been presented over and over and over again. So, yes, people who don’t mask evidently don’t understand basic information that has been public for over a year (you draw conclusions about their intelligence given that fact), and they are also selfish. I completely understand how it works. If YOU are wearing a mask YOU are protected from others. That’s what you just said. I don't think you do completely understand how it works. If I wear a mask, I have some protection but you have more protection from me that I do of you If you wear a mask, the reverse is true. I am more protected from you than you are from me If we both wear a mask then we are both equally protected from each other. Masks - not talking about N95s or respirator masks - are better at keeping germs IN than keeping them OUT. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 19, 2021 2:22:39 GMT
I freaking love swimming with sharks 🤣 We’ve done it multiple times. Are you in a cage? Because I really think you should stop living in fear and just swim freely with them. Life isn’t worth living otherwise. We’ve done both in a cage and without a cage 😉 |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 19, 2021 2:28:41 GMT
I freaking love swimming with sharks 🤣 We’ve done it multiple times. There’s huge stretches of highway in my state where the legal speed limit is 85 mph, so I find myself going 100 without even realizing it. I just thought it was funny that the things you picked to be extreme examples happen to be things I do as well. I’m guessing there’s a Darwin Award in your future. Dying doing something fun seems like a really good way to go 🤷🏻♀️ We all gotta go somehow. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 19, 2021 2:37:11 GMT
Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? If you’re serious, the answer is you’re over-simplifying information you’ve been given. If you’re not serious, an answer to a “Do you still beat your wife?” question - by design - is impossible. I’ll assume you’re serious but confused. Maybe this will help: I listen to a epidemiologist (speciality: pandemic readiness) weekly. Based on the science he knows, his top four recommendation to decrease chance of transmission, in order of effectiveness, are 1. Vaccine, 2. Air filtration, 3. Distance, 4. Masks (he strongly recommends N95s). None of the four has ever been touted as a guarantee of protection, i.e. no chance of transmission. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 19, 2021 2:42:15 GMT
You wearing a mask doesn’t protect YOU from GETTING infected, it protects OTHERS from getting infected by YOU if you are carrying the virus. Please don’t tell me that after 20 months you don’t understand how this works. It has been presented over and over and over again. So, yes, people who don’t mask evidently don’t understand basic information that has been public for over a year (you draw conclusions about their intelligence given that fact), and they are also selfish. I completely understand how it works. If YOU are wearing a mask YOU are protected from others. That’s what you just said. 🤦♀️ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 2:42:16 GMT
I freaking love swimming with sharks 🤣 We’ve done it multiple times. There’s huge stretches of highway in my state where the legal speed limit is 85 mph, so I find myself going 100 without even realizing it. I just thought it was funny that the things you picked to be extreme examples happen to be things I do as well. And there you have it. Someone who doesn't even respect their own life obviously cannot possibly respect the lives of others. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 2:51:41 GMT
I'm in Texas. When I moved here I was in awe of how super nice and friendly people were. Fast forward to a couple of years ago and it's the complete opposite. A lot of Texans don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. That's blatantly obvious with the way the state and most people have behaved throughout Covid. I thought most Christians cared for their fellow neighbor. Not anymore. I'm living amongst a bunch of hypocrites. I'm so over it. I hate it here now.
I went to Target last night, it was super crowded and I was the only customer wearing a mask. I feel like I live in bizarro land where most people are either delusional, self-centered, or just outright rude. And yes, I wear a KN96 mask wherever I go because of the high rate of unvaccinated, non-mask wearing a-holes I'm surrounded by. I tell you, I'm so over it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 2:54:17 GMT
You hit the nail on the head. Until someone in their family…. Or someone they love dies from it, there is no reason for them to even be concerned. Honestly I don’t even know if that would phase the one pea. She is oblivious to the real world and only worries about her entitled self. I wear mask. I’m fully vaccinated, and my children are as well. They wear masks. No one complains as it isn’t made to be something that should be made into a big deal. It’s like grabbing a coat on the way out the door. Nothing more, nothing less. Although my one 8 year old will tell you we wear masks for “ our Aunt TT”. Aunt TT is my sister who was 60 years old and in great health. She was diagnosed at 4 in the afternoon (all because she was feeling a little off and wanted to test to be safe around her family) and at 8AM the next morning we were told she wouldn’t make it through the day. She lasted until 9 o’clock that night and died all alone. My sister would love to be here to take her small grandchildren to Disney or a concert at the park. We (her sisters and brother) are stepping in and doing things with her grandchildren. Keeping life as normal as well can, all while wearing a mask and helping keep others safe around us. Why do we (general *we*) have to make everything difficult. OnThanksgiving it was 1 year that she passed away. The night she passed the media broke out with her photo and used her as poster child for “should we mask up or not.” (She worked in a school district who was debating the mask mandate). Those reporters sent messages to my families Twitter, Instagram and FB pages….. it was sick. Covid is a treated like a political game…… a way to get people on one side verse the other. We really should all be on the same side. In all this time I’ve never posted anything pertaining to this debate. Some of these responses made me sad for the world….. Y’all keep responding as if I’m just one person obstinately refusing to follow rules. What I’m saying is, the norm in my city is NO ONE wears a mask. NO ONE asks for proof of vax. NO ONE distances. There are no rules here. The point of this thread is different norms in different areas. I’m following all the norms for where I am. This place has become a self selecting echo chamber. You’re all competing to be the biggest virtue signaling pea taking the most precautions. That’s not what most of the real world is doing. No one anywhere on this thread has argued against masks, but for some weird reason everyone wants to chime in and say how idiotic it is for people to be against masks. No one on this thread has said anything negative about people who want to get themselves vaxed. People have simply said that the norm in their area is people aren’t wearing masks anymore. Wait. You are saying it's an echo chamber here but yet you are "following all the norms where you are". Huh. |
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Post by cindosha on Dec 19, 2021 3:06:18 GMT
So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? No, they protect people from GIVING/SPREADING the virus. You are the poster-child for not understanding the basics of masking. You can’t give or spread something you don’t have. Are you saying that everyone has the virus and is capable of spreading it if no mask?? |
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 19, 2021 3:13:02 GMT
Masks work to slow or stop the spread of covid. Full stop. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent severe illness and death, not necessarily infection. At the start of a winter surge with omicron on the horizon, if you refuse to wear a mask indoors, regardless of your vaccination status, you're being selfish. So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? Exactly. Let me make it simple for the dumb ones: Masks are like condoms. They keep the sperm (or virus) with the person who’s wearing the condom (or mask.) |
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 19, 2021 3:14:02 GMT
So are you saying masks don’t protect people from getting the virus??? If you’re serious, the answer is you’re over-simplifying information you’ve been given. If you’re not serious, an answer to a “Do you still beat your wife?” question - by design - is impossible. I’ll assume you’re serious but confused. Maybe this will help: I listen to a epidemiologist (speciality: pandemic readiness) weekly. Based on the science he knows, his top four recommendation to decrease chance of transmission, in order of effectiveness, are 1. Vaccine, 2. Air filtration, 3. Distance, 4. Masks (he strongly recommends N95s). None of the four has ever been touted as a guarantee of protection, i.e. no chance of transmission. She’s not serious. She’s just trolling. |
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Post by casii on Dec 19, 2021 3:15:12 GMT
No, they protect people from GIVING/SPREADING the virus. You are the poster-child for not understanding the basics of masking. You can’t give or spread something you don’t have. Are you saying that everyone has the virus and is capable of spreading it if no mask?? Everybody, I suggest you give up on this one. |
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Post by MichyM on Dec 19, 2021 3:20:31 GMT
I’m guessing there’s a Darwin Award in your future. Dying doing something fun seems like a really good way to go 🤷🏻♀️ We all gotta go somehow. I’ve been sitting on my hands, but I just couldn’t with this. Friend of my Shelly: oh my gosh, I am so incredibly sorry for you. I heard that <insert name of her child> passed away a few months ago. I am heartbroken for you! I heard it was Covid, that must have been awful! Myshelly: Yeah, he contracted it while we were at <name of unmasked, unvaxxed event. So really, it’s totally ok, cuz we were doing something fun! Oh, and if you haven’t heard my mom is on a vent in the hospital due to Covid that <name of child> gave her. But ya know, we all gotta die sometime. Friend of Myshelly friend: stunned silence. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 19, 2021 3:29:56 GMT
Dying doing something fun seems like a really good way to go 🤷🏻♀️ We all gotta go somehow. I’ve been sitting on my hands, but I just couldn’t with this. Friend of my Shelly: oh my gosh, I am so incredibly sorry for you. I heard that <insert name of her child> passed away a few months ago. I am heartbroken for you! I heard it was Covid, that must have been awful! Myshelly: Yeah, he contracted it while we were at <name of unmasked, unvaxxed event. So really, it’s totally ok, cuz we were doing something fun! Oh, and if you haven’t heard my mom is on a vent in the hospital due to Covid that <name of child> gave her. But ya know, we all gotta die sometime. Friend of Myshelly friend: stunned silence. This is fear mongering. Typical. Isn’t your vaxed, masked son the one who actually has Covid right now? How’s the fear mongering working out for you? |
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 3:30:37 GMT
No, they protect people from GIVING/SPREADING the virus. You are the poster-child for not understanding the basics of masking. You can’t give or spread something you don’t have. Are you saying that everyone has the virus and is capable of spreading it if no mask?? LOL! You had me fooled. 😂 No one can truly be that ignorant and type in complete sentences. Good one! Nice playing with you.  Come back when you want to have an honest conversation about the COVID virus and what we can do to lessen the strain it is putting on our hospitals by cutting down on the spread by vaccinating, wearing masks, and quarantining when you finally know you are carrying COVID (which is some time after you have been unknowingly carrying it around and potentially spreading it hither and thither, hence the need for wearing masks). |
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Post by MichyM on Dec 19, 2021 3:35:00 GMT
I’ve been sitting on my hands, but I just couldn’t with this. Friend of my Shelly: oh my gosh, I am so incredibly sorry for you. I heard that <insert name of her child> passed away a few months ago. I am heartbroken for you! I heard it was Covid, that must have been awful! Myshelly: Yeah, he contracted it while we were at <name of unmasked, unvaxxed event. So really, it’s totally ok, cuz we were doing something fun! Oh, and if you haven’t heard my mom is on a vent in the hospital due to Covid that <name of child> gave her. But ya know, we all gotta die sometime. Friend of Myshelly friend: stunned silence. This is fear mongering. Typical. Isn’t your vaxed, masked son the one who actually has Covid right now? How’s the fear mongering working out for you? I don't see it as fear mongering. Every time I think you cannot go further. You do. 🤷🏼♀️ And yes, my son currently has Covid. He’s doing well thanks to the vaccinations. Still waiting on PCR results for his partner. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 19, 2021 3:44:10 GMT
If you’re serious, the answer is you’re over-simplifying information you’ve been given. If you’re not serious, an answer to a “Do you still beat your wife?” question - by design - is impossible. I’ll assume you’re serious but confused. Maybe this will help: I listen to a epidemiologist (speciality: pandemic readiness) weekly. Based on the science he knows, his top four recommendation to decrease chance of transmission, in order of effectiveness, are 1. Vaccine, 2. Air filtration, 3. Distance, 4. Masks (he strongly recommends N95s). None of the four has ever been touted as a guarantee of protection, i.e. no chance of transmission. She’s not serious. She’s just trolling. As has become clear. [Insert rueful emoji.] Maybe she’ll come back and let us know if she still beats her wife. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 19, 2021 3:46:11 GMT
That isn’t fear mongering at all. She’s pointing out your ignorance and lack of compassion. It’s specific to what you said.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 19, 2021 3:51:50 GMT
I was never terrified, but I have been cautious and when we look back on this time in life, I will be glad that I did my part to help not spread Covid.
I think my state has been more middle of the road. I have family/friends in TX and FL and they are mixed bag of thinking their state is full of idiots or are just cautious about spreading Covid.
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Post by dizzycheermom on Dec 19, 2021 3:52:15 GMT
People are literally dying from Covid. Medical professionals are stressed to the nth degree. I mean, people are literally dying of lots of things all the time 🤷🏻♀️ We’re all gonna die of something. Yes but most causes of death aren’t contagious! Not going to catch a heart attack or cancer from someone. As far as the original question, we are vaxxed and boosted and so are our friends so we socialize and travel as we want and mask if needed. Our daughter just graduated nursing school this week but has worked in the hospital around Covid patients since March. |
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Post by muggins on Dec 19, 2021 4:13:09 GMT
DH’s Trump supporting boss and his wife ( both highly qualified engineers) have both been ‘living their best lives’ and refused to ‘live in fear’ by ‘hiding in the basement’ like the fauci sheeple.
Despite being fully vaccinated, they both got long covid and are still suffering from it.
Now they’ve changed their tune and are telling everyone to be cautious! Meh, whatever, fools.
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Post by cindosha on Dec 19, 2021 4:21:28 GMT
You can’t give or spread something you don’t have. Are you saying that everyone has the virus and is capable of spreading it if no mask?? LOL! You had me fooled. 😂 No one can truly be that ignorant and type in complete sentences. Good one! Nice playing with you. Come back when you want to have an honest conversation about the COVID virus and what we can do to lessen the strain it is putting on our hospitals by cutting down on the spread by vaccinating, wearing masks, and quarantining when you finally know you are carrying COVID (which is some time after you have been unknowingly carrying it around and potentially spreading it hither and thither, hence the need for wearing masks). Nope. It’s not just the unvaxed in hospitals. And unless you are wearing an N-95 mask you can spread it. Those blue masks and homemade masks don’t offer much protection. Maybe some, but not enough. Also, why does no one want to talk about natural immunity, you know, like if you’ve had covid already, I have antibodies still, 15 months after having had covid… |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 19, 2021 4:37:46 GMT
LOL! You had me fooled. 😂 No one can truly be that ignorant and type in complete sentences. Good one! Nice playing with you. Come back when you want to have an honest conversation about the COVID virus and what we can do to lessen the strain it is putting on our hospitals by cutting down on the spread by vaccinating, wearing masks, and quarantining when you finally know you are carrying COVID (which is some time after you have been unknowingly carrying it around and potentially spreading it hither and thither, hence the need for wearing masks). Nope. It’s not just the unvaxed in hospitals. And unless you are wearing an N-95 mask you can spread it. Those blue masks and homemade masks don’t offer much protection. Maybe some, but not enough. Also, why does no one want to talk about natural immunity, you know, like if you’ve had covid already, I have antibodies still, 15 months after having had covid… No, you probably do not have antibodies from covid 15 months ago. Even if you do, they would not be very effective against a different variant like delta or omicron. Regarding hospitalization, the majority - around 85% are unvaccinated. www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/characteristics-of-vaccinated-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-19-breakthrough-infections/This brief describes the characteristics of fully vaccinated hospitalized patients who have COVID-19 breakthrough infections, in comparison to people who are not fully vaccinated and hospitalized with COVID-19. Compared to those who are unvaccinated, a small share (15%) of hospital admissions for COVID-19 between June and September involve people who were fully vaccinated against the disease.
It finds that age is highly correlated with breakthrough hospitalizations, and a greater share of people hospitalized with a breakthrough COVID-19 infection had a comorbidity than people hospitalized with COVID-19 who were not fully vaccinated. It also finds that fewer breakthrough COVID-19 hospitalizations included COVID-related respiratory complications or treatments, suggesting fully vaccinated patients hospitalized with breakthrough COVID-19 may have been more likely to be hospitalized for unrelated reasons. |
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Post by elaine on Dec 19, 2021 4:46:06 GMT
LOL! You had me fooled. 😂 No one can truly be that ignorant and type in complete sentences. Good one! Nice playing with you. Come back when you want to have an honest conversation about the COVID virus and what we can do to lessen the strain it is putting on our hospitals by cutting down on the spread by vaccinating, wearing masks, and quarantining when you finally know you are carrying COVID (which is some time after you have been unknowingly carrying it around and potentially spreading it hither and thither, hence the need for wearing masks). Nope. It’s not just the unvaxed in hospitals. And unless you are wearing an N-95 mask you can spread it. Those blue masks and homemade masks don’t offer much protection. Maybe some, but not enough. Also, why does no one want to talk about natural immunity, you know, like if you’ve had covid already, I have antibodies still, 15 months after having had covid… Wait. Do you want to have a real conversation now? Or are you still trolling for fun? Although, I’ll be honest and say that I’m not really up for spending/wasting a lot more energy on discourse with you. Although your penchant for purposefully misquoting me does make it tempting, even while knowing that you “misunderstand/misquote” as part of your trolling shtick. |
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Post by sideways on Dec 19, 2021 4:49:17 GMT
No, they protect people from GIVING/SPREADING the virus. You are the poster-child for not understanding the basics of masking. You can’t give or spread something you don’t have. Are you saying that everyone has the virus and is capable of spreading it if no mask?? Good fucking grief. Someone can be infected and spread it before symptoms start. We’re almost two full years into this and you STILL don’t understand? FFS. It takes less time to potty train a toddler. |
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Post by sideways on Dec 19, 2021 5:00:53 GMT
I’ve been sitting on my hands, but I just couldn’t with this. Friend of my Shelly: oh my gosh, I am so incredibly sorry for you. I heard that <insert name of her child> passed away a few months ago. I am heartbroken for you! I heard it was Covid, that must have been awful! Myshelly: Yeah, he contracted it while we were at <name of unmasked, unvaxxed event. So really, it’s totally ok, cuz we were doing something fun! Oh, and if you haven’t heard my mom is on a vent in the hospital due to Covid that <name of child> gave her. But ya know, we all gotta die sometime. Friend of Myshelly friend: stunned silence. This is fear mongering. Typical. Isn’t your vaxed, masked son the one who actually has Covid right now? How’s the fear mongering working out for you? Thanks for continuing to prove that you are a horrible human being. |
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