Father shoots and kills daughter 16.

So what happens if you go out the back door and hide in a nearby field or something to wait for the police? Take the gun with you if it makes you feel better. Is protecting your household electronics worth confronting someone who may be armed and have nothing to lose?

THIS is what is wrong with that way of thinking.


He gunned down his own daughter because he was too busy defending whatever stuff he has in his house. Her life is worth more than the stuff he has. Any life is worth more than stuff.

It is utterly disgraceful to kill someone simply because they are there. And incredibly wrong when you haven’t even taken the time to actually look at them ( as obviously he did not ) to see if they are a threat. He was so busy with his ‘right’ to defend his shit that he murdered his own daughter. That is what is wrong with that kind of law.

Anyone who can’t see something terribly wrong with what he did is immoral.

"Forever", I lived smack dab in the middle of our 110 acres with many more surrounding us. Looong drive, +like easy to get up to 55mph+ long) couldn't see house from road. Never had a gun, much less a loaded one. MY ex did have hunting rifles downstairs in old farm house in locked safe. Had to go outside and back in to access them.

Only locked front door when we left or sleeping. Back sliding door rarely locked. Probably only when went away in vacay. I feel more physical harm is done from those (once) close to you or real enemies, which I have none that I know of.

Found DS (and I) locked front door more after ex left. To keep him (ex) from walking right in. 😉

I didn't live in fear and figured locked doors couldn't really keep anyone out if they wanted to steal stuff. But we lived a modest life not a whole heck a lot to steal.

No cameras or gates either. Did have random snoopy people or those who thought (paved) drive to be a country road. Just told them to go away, basically.

We are “armed” with a can of wasp spray in our bedroom. If sprayed in someone’s face it will incapacitate them from 20+ feet away but wouldn’t kill them. 

I do believe myshelly has me blocked. hmm, I guess that just makes my job here easier … and more fun.

I don’t have you blocked.

Do you have a question?

But in this case, nobody broke into the house. And really, what are the odds that if somebody did break in they would be more likely to be a serial killer than a burglar? I know you’re famous around here for your complete lack of empathy, but do you really not believe that anybody's life is infinitely more valuable than a TV or a watch or a laptop? 
Imagine one of your sons was staying at a friend's house, or with a family member, and they got up during the night to go to the bathroom, or for a drink. Would you be ok with an adult shooting them because they forgot he was staying over and thought the person stumbling around in the dark was an intruder? You would rather they shot first because they "feared for their life"? Or would you think it more reasonable that they checked first just who they were about to kill? I’m sure you would be very understanding that your son was dead because someone had an itchy trigger finger. 🙄

She didn’t reply to me either.

He reasonably believed someone did.

That’s all it takes.

MyShelly you think it is ok to just blindly shoot at noise - at someone you can’t see?

This happened in Ohio which has a castle doctrine law. But in order to prevail, the homeowner had to have had a “reasonable belief” that he or his family was in “immediate danger of either death or serious harm.” You also cannot use deadly force to protect your property from theft unless the burglar is armed. The teen just entered through the garage and set off the alarm, that’s all.

According to the police detective, the teen, Janae, had disabled the house alarm a couple hours earlier so she could sneak out of the house. The father woke up in the middle of the night and realized the alarm was disabled and the front door was partially open. So he closed the door and reset the alarm. When Janae was sneaking back in through the garage (because the front door was already locked), she set off the alarm. If the father had just yelled out at the shadowy figure in the garage, Janae could have just said, “It’s me, dad” and it would just have been a case of a teen maybe being grounded for sneaking out.

This was not a self-defense scenario because there was no indication of immediate death or harm. There is not an iota of a justification for lethal force here. This will forever haunt the parents.

The father didn't check the house to make sure everything was ok?? He didn't check to make sure all his family members were safe in bed?? SMH!

She has made it abundantly clear on other threads if it doesn't happen to her, someone in her family or someone she knows it doesn't matter. Full stop If this is her real personality she is a piece of work.

My heart breaks for this family. It is because of stories like these that DH and I have agreed to "identify the target" before shooting. We call out to each other when coming home (I had to do the same thing with my Dad).

Early one morning (2:00 a.m.), I had insomnia and went to the living room with out turning on any lights or the TV, just sitting in the dark. Shortly after sitting down, I heard the back door open and close quietly and heard some one walking through the kitchen. My pistol is kept near me in the living room. Whomever was in the kitchen needed to pass by me to get to the rest of the house. I decided to wait until I could see who/what was in the house before pulling my weapon. The shadow was that of my husband. Unknown to me, he had gotten out of bed and went to the backyard for some air. I am so glad we have this agreement.

FYI, we have a king size tempur-pedic (no motion when moving) and he moves in and out of rooms without me knowing it all the time.